Re: How are they gonna know? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19085155 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:48:26 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:48:26 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19129214 mohito : We already have, it's called JunkBuster.

I can only lead a horse to water,
I can't make it drink. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19129214 Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:22:15 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19094813 SkyBlue :
said by Timmn See Profile :

said by dlewis23 See Profile :

But we still have bills to pay, and i really do fell like you are stealing when you block ads on my site. So ive started banning people who do it.
I disagree sir, by shoving content I do not want into my face, you are stealing from me. You are stealing the bandwidth used to deliver it, the computer processing time used to display it and the time I wasted viewing it.

You may ban anyone you choose, it's your site, you may do as you wish with it. The problem is, that your banning method singles out anyone who is using Firefox, if they actually are running Adblock or not.

I am not a programmer, but I am fairly certain that someone out there could write a version of Adblock that would be effective on IE. Then, I guess, you would have to ban all of them also.
LOL DITTO DITTO>... you took the words right out of my mouth I pay for the bandwith do I pay to receive calls from the mens church or from a bank trying to get you to sign up for there online service?

On my cell phone last I checked it costs me per minute.

I pay for that. Excuse us for not wanting to waste our money and the isp's money on banner ad bandwith..

I even noticed on my computer that sometimes it hangs while trying to load POS ad's and that Peeeeeeeeee Z me off.

As far as my space and websites like that trying to get money off you? That's why they came out with cookies you can trac people and steal information that i didn't authorize them. Rather it was part of the agreement that if I wanted to view there site I have to enable cookies.

The only Cookies I like are the ones that come out the oven hot with chocolate chips on them.

I gota reconfigure my router and browser to reject all this BCrap!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19094813 Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:33:39 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19094739 SkyBlue :
said by dadkins See Profile :

Here, one of the ways I have to kill ads is with my firewall.
It denies the ad server connection.
If the connection is denied, they may see it.
If the connection is made, but no data is transferred(images/flash/???), they may see that.

Do I care? HELL NO!
This is MY computer!
*I* pay for the bandwidth and *I* say what gets sent across my connection.
*I* determin what gets displayed on *MY* screen!

Sue me? Ha Ha! Byte Me!

They no likey? Tough shitsky! :mad: :p ;)
I like your idea.

As a matter of fact I used to have a comprehensive list of ad servers and I blocked it at the router for years until these new flash programs have extentions and it seems hard to block for me.

If you have any suggestions let me know.

Or if you have a list of sites to avoid please post them. Maybe we can share information.

I used to love to get an ad screen that said : This site blocked by administrator. haha.

The way I see it is what if you don't want your kids looking at Viagara ads or PMS Douche ads you know (not so fresh feeling)?

You should have the right to block it.

I need a V chip for my router or computer.

:p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19094739 Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:25:46 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19088968 rapidrick :
said by dlewis23 See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

Its your computer and I respect that, but then you can't expect websites to deliver good content.

We pay for bandwidth too, and our bandwidth costs a lot more then yours does. We have bills to pay too, and ad's pay those bills.
I'm not so sure about that, it depends on the viewpoint.... You(Companies) pay more than the users? Perhaps not if you figure in that the users outnumber the companies by what, 10 to 1, 50 to 1, 100 to 1, may 10,000 to one, or higher...

Websites will deliever good content, if they want our $$$ for whatever they are hawking! Otherwise, we take our money elswhere....Seems pretty simple to me.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19088968 Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:45:54 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19088734 Timmn :
said by dlewis23 See Profile :

But we still have bills to pay, and i really do fell like you are stealing when you block ads on my site. So ive started banning people who do it.
I disagree sir, by shoving content I do not want into my face, you are stealing from me. You are stealing the bandwidth used to deliver it, the computer processing time used to display it and the time I wasted viewing it.

You may ban anyone you choose, it's your site, you may do as you wish with it. The problem is, that your banning method singles out anyone who is using Firefox, if they actually are running Adblock or not.

I am not a programmer, but I am fairly certain that someone out there could write a version of Adblock that would be effective on IE. Then, I guess, you would have to ban all of them also. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19088734 Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:09:03 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19088065 dadkins : Usually, it's easier to just put the ad server's address in the browser's Blacklist.

No mo adsky! :D
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said by dadkins See Profile :

Here, one of the ways I have to kill ads is with my firewall.
It denies the ad server connection.
If the connection is denied, they may see it.
If the connection is made, but no data is transferred(images/flash/???), they may see that.
That is the worst way to block ads (firewall). The best way is when your browser doesn't even know ad content has been removed. It doesn't ask for what it never sees. Of course the web master can still determine that an ad blocker was used by use of a script to notify when the ad content has been fully loaded in the browser. If the script routine never returns after a certain timeout or an error occurs, you're busted. There are other methods which are more effective. In short, you cannot hide the fact you are blocking ads from someone determined to find out.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

Here, one of the ways I have to kill ads is with my firewall.
It denies the ad server connection.
If the connection is denied, they may see it.
If the connection is made, but no data is transferred(images/flash/???), they may see that.

Do I care? HELL NO!
This is MY computer!
*I* pay for the bandwidth and *I* say what gets sent across my connection.
*I* determin what gets displayed on *MY* screen!

Sue me? Ha Ha! Byte Me!

They no likey? Tough shitsky! :mad: :p ;)
Actually Dadkins, they can send anything they want, it's
what gets to your PC that they have no control over.
I totally agree though, people are bombarded with ads, spyware,
malware, viruses all day, every day.
Ever watch to see how many connections are attempted to
your PC in a 24 hour period? You have to put up with all
that and ads screaming "buy me" "click here" and anything
else to get your attention. Don't like the fact I use an
ad blocker and want me to stop using it?
Pay for the upkeep of my PC, my internet connection, and
my time. When that's done, THEN you can make me watch ads.
Since this is as likely as a human surviving on the surface
of the sun, I do believe the choice of what comes into my
PC is still mine, and mine alone, thankyouverymuch.

--Deeply Shrouded & Quiet]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19087274 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:53:22 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19087016 KUppiano :
said by dlewis23 See Profile :

said by Kearnstd See Profile :

then dont pick ads that make people want to block them. take google ads for example, simple and non intrusive but they still pay the bills im sure. and they dont piss people off like those ones with sound and video, im a gamer and sometimes have my sound up and if i minimize to look something up on dont want your website shouting at me i have won a free ipod.
I agree with that, some of the ads are just annoying. But we often don't have the ability to choose what ads are displayed.

But we still have bills to pay, and i really do fell like you are stealing when you block ads on my site. So ive started banning people who do it.
Are you saying you are not responsible for your web site's content? If that's the case, then you need to get a handle on your content. Ad blockers exist because the ads are intrusive, offensive and downright viral in nature. Fix the ads, and the need for ad blockers will go away.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19087016 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:15:37 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19086916 dadkins :
said by dlewis23 See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

Here, one of the ways I have to kill ads is with my firewall.
It denies the ad server connection.
If the connection is denied, they may see it.
If the connection is made, but no data is transferred(images/flash/???), they may see that.

Do I care? HELL NO!
This is MY computer!
*I* pay for the bandwidth and *I* say what gets sent across my connection.
*I* determin what gets displayed on *MY* screen!

Sue me? Ha Ha! Byte Me!

They no likey? Tough shitsky! :mad: :p ;)
Its your computer and I respect that, but then you can't expect websites to deliver good content.

We pay for bandwidth too, and our bandwidth costs a lot more then yours does. We have bills to pay too, and ad's pay those bills.
*IF* you cannot pay the bills with less intrusive ads and still deliver the content, well, I imagine you are destined to fail. Sorry!

Even if I did not block the ads YOU have, if they are so annoying that your site is an unwelcome ad farm, I will not go to your site!

Take your pick.
You slather BS ads everywhere, I either block them or go elsewhere.
Both scenarios, you lose! :o
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said by Kearnstd See Profile :

then dont pick ads that make people want to block them. take google ads for example, simple and non intrusive but they still pay the bills im sure. and they dont piss people off like those ones with sound and video, im a gamer and sometimes have my sound up and if i minimize to look something up on dont want your website shouting at me i have won a free ipod.
I agree with that, some of the ads are just annoying. But we often don't have the ability to choose what ads are displayed.

But we still have bills to pay, and i really do fell like you are stealing when you block ads on my site. So ive started banning people who do it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19085939 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:45:16 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19085559 Scree :
said by dadkins See Profile :

It denies the ad server connection.
If the connection is denied, they may see it.
If the connection is made, but no data is transferred(images/flash/???), they may see that.
And furthermore, if a connection is denied, or no data is transferred, how can they prove it's not just a connection error or other anomaly?

Anyway this is a bullcrap issue. I suppose next will be suing tv makers for having the ability to change channels when commercials are on. lmao]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19085559 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:25:43 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19085471 mohito : Actually, google is pretty intrusive, and that's on my blocker list...

For a company that likes to pretend it's so "careful" it kind of sucks.

urchin.com
googlesyndication.com
google-analytics.com
google.com/coop
google.com/safebrowsing

And this is just blockers, but go there directly and they try to get away with redirecting URLs and such, that's unacceptable bullshit to me. Sites like those to make useful, turn off java etc. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19085471 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:06:35 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19085393 mohito : They'll deliver whatever they deliver, it's the wild wild west out there, and be bloody sure I'm gonna protect myself.

Maybe remote controls and such should be made illegal too because people like to skip through the commercials?

Hanging up on a commercial caller, oopsie...

Chuck 'em all in a Guantanamo bay? The folks there have real issues to deal with, not some stupid advertising.

Do I really need crap from doubleclick? I think not, but not just think, I block 'em. End of line.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19085393 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:49:04 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19085155 Kearnstd :
said by dlewis23 See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

Here, one of the ways I have to kill ads is with my firewall.
It denies the ad server connection.
If the connection is denied, they may see it.
If the connection is made, but no data is transferred(images/flash/???), they may see that.

Do I care? HELL NO!
This is MY computer!
*I* pay for the bandwidth and *I* say what gets sent across my connection.
*I* determin what gets displayed on *MY* screen!

Sue me? Ha Ha! Byte Me!

They no likey? Tough shitsky! :mad: :p ;)
Its your computer and I respect that, but then you can't expect websites to deliver good content.

We pay for bandwidth too, and our bandwidth costs a lot more then yours does. We have bills to pay too, and ad's pay those bills.
then dont pick ads that make people want to block them. take google ads for example, simple and non intrusive but they still pay the bills im sure. and they dont piss people off like those ones with sound and video, im a gamer and sometimes have my sound up and if i minimize to look something up on dont want your website shouting at me i have won a free ipod.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

Here, one of the ways I have to kill ads is with my firewall.
It denies the ad server connection.
If the connection is denied, they may see it.
If the connection is made, but no data is transferred(images/flash/???), they may see that.

Do I care? HELL NO!
This is MY computer!
*I* pay for the bandwidth and *I* say what gets sent across my connection.
*I* determin what gets displayed on *MY* screen!

Sue me? Ha Ha! Byte Me!

They no likey? Tough shitsky! :mad: :p ;)
Its your computer and I respect that, but then you can't expect websites to deliver good content.

We pay for bandwidth too, and our bandwidth costs a lot more then yours does. We have bills to pay too, and ad's pay those bills. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19085068 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:36:53 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19084810 Edward1978 : Right on, it is my connection. I can block ads if I want.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19084810 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:42:25 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19084738 mohito : Start with me then, please.

You're giving me fine reason, not only to release a JB update, but the blocker control files.

As long as this is transparent, they'll loose. I already work on Madison Ave, and it has nothing to do with sleazy ad companies.

I'll have fun with some slick haired little lawyer that they throw against me, I used to have fun memorizing things like Black's Law dictionary, maybe I can put it to some use. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19084738 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:21:17 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19083639 Magic501 : Very well said, and gets me to thinking. The whole argument stems from the premise " you are accessing the content, by viewing the ads". Such as MSN videos which make you view a commercial before it shows the video you want to see.

That said, why cant we just be informed what the requirements are and choose whether the content is worth it? Instead we are presented with surprises, which are not always good ones, subjected to stealth tactics, etc.....

The original poster mentioned Use of Bandwidth. I like this idea. Since the pipe owners are considering charging more for the content providers, why cant we the users charge to view, display, and get rid of unwanted solicitations?

The time, and effort alone spent trying to make the intrusive stuff "leave us alone" would probably make pay the ISP bill.

M]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19083639 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:55:19 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19083188 dadkins : Not needed now. ;)
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They'll like that MUCH better.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19082161 Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:04:39 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19081816 theeinstein :
said by dadkins See Profile :

Here, one of the ways I have to kill ads is with my firewall.
It denies the ad server connection.
If the connection is denied, they may see it.
If the connection is made, but no data is transferred(images/flash/???), they may see that.

Do I care? HELL NO!
This is MY computer!
*I* pay for the bandwidth and *I* say what gets sent across my connection.
*I* determin what gets displayed on *MY* screen!

Sue me? Ha Ha! Byte Me!

They no likey? Tough shitsky! :mad: :p ;)
What he said 10X

This kind of garbage should piss everyone off. I swear these people arnt worth the gum on the bottom of my shoe!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19081816 Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:49:31 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19081759 anon : What he said x2!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19081759 Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:40:39 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19081638 supergirl : MySpace does prohibit ad-blocking when viewing profiles just blocking the ads with html or css coding on your personal myspace site. Viewers can block but designers of their pages are not supposed to do so.

However, a lot of MySpace ads are definitely spyware or false advertising (free becomes text to cell number and get a charge). Of course, advertising all kinds of products on personal MySpace is a violation of TOS but don't see MySpace enforcing it unless it is sex-related.

I personally don't see how legally ad-blocking could be construed by the courts as being illegal. Stealing content is illegal but not blocking anoying ads. Internet explorer already blocks pop-up or pop-under ads. Is that illegal? No.

Maybe advertisers should stop using flash, which is known to have malware or spyware. I don't block text ads just flash ads. To me, Google is smart just putting non-anoying text ads along search results since some are useful. The flash ads, especially with music or somebody talking or other noises, are just anoying. Unless it is a major site, I block WMV too. Viruses come with those too.

Advertisers are going to have a tough time proving illegal vs. legitimate blocking of spyware/malware. Ad-blockers should just ad that language to their products (it blocks ads that are probably spyware or malware) and advertisers have no argument. Consumers shouldn't have to "open" their computer to viruses, spyware, and malware just because some advertiser's stupid ad isn't getting viewed because they are using the most common forms of causing such infections.
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-Supergirl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19081638 Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:16:19 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19080675 jjsk8r85 : they can see in their logs what IPs are and aren't being served the advertisements. your browser actually requests them when you go to pages with ads, and if it's not requesting them (ad blockers) they can see it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19080675 Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:37:34 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19080656 dadkins : Here, one of the ways I have to kill ads is with my firewall.
It denies the ad server connection.
If the connection is denied, they may see it.
If the connection is made, but no data is transferred(images/flash/???), they may see that.

Do I care? HELL NO!
This is MY computer!
*I* pay for the bandwidth and *I* say what gets sent across my connection.
*I* determin what gets displayed on *MY* screen!

Sue me? Ha Ha! Byte Me!

They no likey? Tough shitsky! :mad: :p ;)
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Think outside the Fox... Opera]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19080656 Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:34:19 EDT Re: How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19080648 jbgroup1 : You sue the makers of adblocking software.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19080648 Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:32:02 EDT How are they gonna know? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19080634 Siryak : Considering the fact that the AdBlocking is done on your end and not theirs how are they gonna know who is AdBlocking anyway. You can't sue someone if you don't know who to sue.
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