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Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project?
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GlobalMind
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I would say go for it. Either the calendar or the photobook would be fine with me.
One question though, what images were selected as the finalists? Do we have a list of those or were the shooters just informed privately.
I might have missed something there...
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Jason Levine
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| I don't believe we ever publicly posted the list of finalists. In fact, I'm now thinking that we may want to take the entire group of submissions and not just the finalists. A photo that might have been rejected as a finalist for a photobook might be perfect for a calendar. |
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ErthBndAngel
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OK I've received a message from Laura Harris the contact at MAW. Evidently MAW already produces their own calendar and understandably feel that another calendar would detract from their calendars sales.
I haven't spoken with Laura directly yet but she did say there may be something we could do to help the organization.
I decided to open things up to everyone here before I contact her. Do we want to see what MAW would like from us and then decide if we want to do it or do we want to continue with out calendar and find an organization that could utilize our specific efforts?
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iSpark
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Conway, SC | I thought we were going to sale or have them sold elsewhere, the calenders, then give the money to MAW? Does MAW care how it gets money? |
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Splitpair
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said by Jason Levine  :As you may or may not remember, a while back we started the Shooting For A Cause project. The purpose of this project was to gather the photographic talents on this forum to produce a photobook and donate the proceeds to charity. Very noble.
We chose the charity (the Make-A-Wish Foundation), accepted the photograph submissions, even chose which ones should be included in the photobook. Big problem one do they want us as a partner and two why?
Unfortunately, that is where real life and a lack of photobook assembly experience collided. The project stalled for months on end and now stands at a crossroads. Incorrect the collision was the inability to find enough talent to produce a market for another photobook that could break even without some form of a government grant nor less make enough to turn a dime over to a charity.
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Splitpair
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| said by Jodokast96 :WTF? As in?
Wayne
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Jason Levine
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said by Splitpair :Big problem one do they want us as a partner and two why? We wouldn't be partnering with them. We would be offering a product for sale and giving the proceeds to them. I doubt they would turn something like that down (unless our product was completely offensive).
said by Splitpair : Unfortunately, that is where real life and a lack of photobook assembly experience collided. The project stalled for months on end and now stands at a crossroads. Incorrect the collision was the inability to find enough talent to produce a market for another photobook that could break even without some form of a government grant nor less make enough to turn a dime over to a charity. With all due respect, you're wrong there. We received plenty of great submissions and even narrowed them down to which would appear in the photobook. I had priced out how much the photobook would cost and it wasn't prohibitively expensive. (LuLu.com would handle all of the production and give us any money collected over their set base amount.)
The big problems were:
1 - Lack of photobook experience. I could throw one together. It might even look passable to your average joe. But I know that it wouldn't look even halfway decent to some of the professionals (and semi-pros) who post here. The people who submitted their photos deserve to have them appear in a quality photobook. Not something that an admitted neophyte threw together.
2 - Personal life. My wife became pregnant around the time the photobook project began. Shortly after I took over it, we had some problems with the pregnancy which distracted me from the project. Then, later on, the death of my wife's grandfather and the birth of our son further distracted me.
Those two reasons -- and not a lack of talent -- are what derailed the photobook project. |
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ErthBndAngel
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| OK I hate to drag things back to the issue at hand, but MAW has pretty distinctly asked us not to sell calendars for their benefit as they feel it would detract from their own calendars. Which means we can't tell people that we're selling calendars for the benefit of MAW. So, we either attempt to sell calendars without telling people what the benefit is, we choose another organization or I talk to Laura Harris and find out directly from her what we might be able to offer them.
All this why did it get derailed the first time talk isn't doing anything but throwing debris on the track which will inevitably lead to another derailment.
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ErthBndAngel
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Manchester, CT | Just thought I'd bump this up and see what everyone wants to do or if they want to do anything at all.
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Jason Levine
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I don't think selling the calendars without mentioning the charity is an option. If MAW doesn't want us selling calendars to raise money for them, then I think we only have 2 options:
1 - Sell something besides calendars.
2 - Pick another charity.
I think that calendars are the best thing to start with, so perhaps we should pick a new charity. Here's the old charity poll: »Shooting For a Cause: Pick The Photo Book Cause Part 2
It looks like the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children was the runner-up. |
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ErthBndAngel
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| I understand that we're trying to do this as democratically as possible, but there's a reason that our government isn't a true democracy. In true democracies nothing ever gets done.
With that said I looked at the list of organization and I would be glad to send an e-mail to NCME. However, in the interest of time (it's taken us 11 days to find out that we can't do something) I think we might want to consider another option. I have a friend who works for the Mass Bay branch of BB/BS and could very likely get us in touch with someone on a national level.
I'm just not sure that we want to spend a ton of time going back and forth waiting for communication from people.
I will go ahead and send an e-mail to the NCME. Just to get the ball moving on that incase everyone bulks at my suggestion. |
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Jason Levine
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USA | Sounds good to me. Go for it. |
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theedj
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Template idea |
Thoughts?
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Jason Levine
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USA | Very interesting. I like the short bio. Perhaps even list URLs to people's websites/galleries if they want. I'm wondering why there's a smaller image there. That might complicate matters. How would it look without that smaller image? |
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ErthBndAngel
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Manchester, CT | reply to theedj
I agree with Jason. I like it, but I'm wondering if there's anyway to make it somehow less obtrusive. And allowing the submitter to include a url to a website should someone take a particular interest in the artists work. |
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theedj
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| I thinner border around it would work (of course, I deleted the PSD file). I saw a different calendar done similarly and will see it tomorrow night (at a friends place) so I'll be able to elaborate on it more after that. The website idea is good, not to mention we should be giving photo credit too which is where the website can go. Something like "Jason Levine/jasonlevine.com" would work. Simple, but credit is given, and of course can be styled to match.
I'm more then happy to help with the layout aspect of this project. |
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Jason Levine
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| If we take out the small photo, I don't see any reason why we can't expand the quote longer and fit more text on the bottom. (Maybe not the whole width, but 50% or so.)
Then we can make it read:
Flowery SceneJason Levine is a regular contributor to the Digital Imaging forum and has been taking photos for so long, he can't even remember. You can see more of Jason Levine's photos at » www.jasons-toolbox.com/ |
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theedj
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| My thoughts and reasoning for the inset image were that there's no doubt the photographers that contribute would/could potentially contribute more. It could also be a way to feature two photographers with 'like' images on the same page (credit to both). It also adds some additional depth to the page.
The other thing of course, is that we could put the charity logo in the right corner where the inset image is, and expand upon the description. It would probably have to be a maximum of 150-200 characters.
I hate to say this but Christmas is coming, and this should be out in time for it!! I think we have about 30 days to get it all done...have we found a 'printer' yet?
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