Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? in Digital Imaging http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19088028 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:49:26 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:49:26 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19185917 Jason Levine :
said by theedj See Profile :

I hate to say this but Christmas is coming, and this should be out in time for it!! I think we have about 30 days to get it all done...have we found a 'printer' yet?
There are two main ones that I've found. Zazzle is one and CafePress is the other.

Zazzle seems to charge $19.95 for a calendar and then gives the creator back up to 17% for product sales (however it could be as little as 10%). Even assuming 17%, that would be about $3.39 for the charity for each calendar sold.

CafePress doesn't have as many options as Zazzle does, but they set a base price of $14.95 and we choose our "profit" from that. So if we sold the calendar for $19.95, we would earn $5 per calendar sold.

Here is a randomly selected calendar example from each:

»www.cafepress.com/buy//-/pv_desi···/c_/fpt_

»www.zazzle.com/kids_calendar_200···57702231

Personally, I like CafePress better as we would make more money for the charity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19185917 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:22:37 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19184584 theedj : My thoughts and reasoning for the inset image were that there's no doubt the photographers that contribute would/could potentially contribute more. It could also be a way to feature two photographers with 'like' images on the same page (credit to both). It also adds some additional depth to the page.

The other thing of course, is that we could put the charity logo in the right corner where the inset image is, and expand upon the description. It would probably have to be a maximum of 150-200 characters.

I hate to say this but Christmas is coming, and this should be out in time for it!! I think we have about 30 days to get it all done...have we found a 'printer' yet?
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Then we can make it read:

Flowery Scene
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19184294 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:44:28 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19184197 theedj : I thinner border around it would work (of course, I deleted the PSD file). I saw a different calendar done similarly and will see it tomorrow night (at a friends place) so I'll be able to elaborate on it more after that. The website idea is good, not to mention we should be giving photo credit too which is where the website can go. Something like "Jason Levine/jasonlevine.com" would work. Simple, but credit is given, and of course can be styled to match.

I'm more then happy to help with the layout aspect of this project.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19184197 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:26:53 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19180378 ErthBndAngel : I agree with Jason. I like it, but I'm wondering if there's anyway to make it somehow less obtrusive. And allowing the submitter to include a url to a website should someone take a particular interest in the artists work. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19180378 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 22:15:03 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19177745 Jason Levine : Very interesting. I like the short bio. Perhaps even list URLs to people's websites/galleries if they want. I'm wondering why there's a smaller image there. That might complicate matters. How would it look without that smaller image?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19177745 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:18:48 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19177221 theedj : OK, so I'm getting in a little late on this, but being a little "forward thinking" I'm curious to know if we've come up with a template yet? I've attached one that I've been thinking of, and would allow for the submitter to get more exposure (no pun intended), and a quick, very, very short 'bio' about the shooter. The inset would also allow for portrait oriented photos to be submitted and used as well.

Thoughts?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19177221 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:56:08 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19173374 Jason Levine : Sounds good to me. Go for it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19173374 Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:58:51 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19168854 ErthBndAngel : I understand that we're trying to do this as democratically as possible, but there's a reason that our government isn't a true democracy. In true democracies nothing ever gets done.

With that said I looked at the list of organization and I would be glad to send an e-mail to NCME. However, in the interest of time (it's taken us 11 days to find out that we can't do something) I think we might want to consider another option. I have a friend who works for the Mass Bay branch of BB/BS and could very likely get us in touch with someone on a national level.

I'm just not sure that we want to spend a ton of time going back and forth waiting for communication from people.

I will go ahead and send an e-mail to the NCME. Just to get the ball moving on that incase everyone bulks at my suggestion. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19168854 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:49:43 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19168422 Jason Levine : I don't think selling the calendars without mentioning the charity is an option. If MAW doesn't want us selling calendars to raise money for them, then I think we only have 2 options:

1 - Sell something besides calendars.

2 - Pick another charity.

I think that calendars are the best thing to start with, so perhaps we should pick a new charity. Here's the old charity poll: »Shooting For a Cause: Pick The Photo Book Cause Part 2

It looks like the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children was the runner-up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19168422 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:12:30 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19164716 ErthBndAngel : Just thought I'd bump this up and see what everyone wants to do or if they want to do anything at all.
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All this why did it get derailed the first time talk isn't doing anything but throwing debris on the track which will inevitably lead to another derailment.
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said by Splitpair See Profile :

Big problem one do they want us as a partner and two why?
We wouldn't be partnering with them. We would be offering a product for sale and giving the proceeds to them. I doubt they would turn something like that down (unless our product was completely offensive).

said by Splitpair See Profile :

Unfortunately, that is where real life and a lack of photobook assembly experience collided. The project stalled for months on end and now stands at a crossroads.
Incorrect the collision was the inability to find enough talent to produce a market for another photobook that could break even without some form of a government grant nor less make enough to turn a dime over to a charity.
With all due respect, you're wrong there. We received plenty of great submissions and even narrowed them down to which would appear in the photobook. I had priced out how much the photobook would cost and it wasn't prohibitively expensive. (LuLu.com would handle all of the production and give us any money collected over their set base amount.)

The big problems were:

1 - Lack of photobook experience. I could throw one together. It might even look passable to your average joe. But I know that it wouldn't look even halfway decent to some of the professionals (and semi-pros) who post here. The people who submitted their photos deserve to have them appear in a quality photobook. Not something that an admitted neophyte threw together.

2 - Personal life. My wife became pregnant around the time the photobook project began. Shortly after I took over it, we had some problems with the pregnancy which distracted me from the project. Then, later on, the death of my wife's grandfather and the birth of our son further distracted me.

Those two reasons -- and not a lack of talent -- are what derailed the photobook project.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19138039 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:25:47 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19137266 Splitpair :
said by Jodokast96 See Profile :

WTF?
As in?

Wayne
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said by Jason Levine See Profile :

As you may or may not remember, a while back we started the Shooting For A Cause project. The purpose of this project was to gather the photographic talents on this forum to produce a photobook and donate the proceeds to charity.
Very noble.

We chose the charity (the Make-A-Wish Foundation), accepted the photograph submissions, even chose which ones should be included in the photobook.
Big problem one do they want us as a partner and two why?

Unfortunately, that is where real life and a lack of photobook assembly experience collided. The project stalled for months on end and now stands at a crossroads.
Incorrect the collision was the inability to find enough talent to produce a market for another photobook that could break even without some form of a government grant nor less make enough to turn a dime over to a charity.

Wayne
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I haven't spoken with Laura directly yet but she did say there may be something we could do to help the organization.

I decided to open things up to everyone here before I contact her. Do we want to see what MAW would like from us and then decide if we want to do it or do we want to continue with out calendar and find an organization that could utilize our specific efforts?
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One question though, what images were selected as the finalists? Do we have a list of those or were the shooters just informed privately.

I might have missed something there...
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said by Kringle See Profile :

said by simplykristi See Profile :

I hope that non-DSLR photos will be considered too. :)
I presume that you meant photos from Galleries that belong to people here that are hosted elsewhere.
Just my interpretation, correct me if I'm wrong.
She means photos that weren't taken with a Digital SLR camera.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19134976 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:52:40 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19134965 Kringle :
said by simplykristi See Profile :

I hope that non-DSLR photos will be considered too. :)
I presume that you meant photos from Galleries that belong to people here that are hosted elsewhere.
Just my interpretation, correct me if I'm wrong.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19134965 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:51:04 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19134925 Jodokast96 : One thing that really doesn't seem to happen here is that people don't look down on others because of their "lower-end" equipment, even though sometimes people get wowed & amazed over higher end stuff and sometimes think it's because of the camera, not the photog. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19134925 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:46:17 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19134816 Jason Levine : They were last time and definitely would be this time as well. (I don't own a DSLR.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19134816 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:29:43 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19134571 simplykristi : I hope that non-DSLR photos will be considered too. :)

Kristi
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P.S. My original submission still stands and I would be happy to submit a few more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19127850 Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:36:48 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19127060 Jason Levine : I'm guessing that landscape would be preferred, though we could probably either crop or add a border to non-landscape prints. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19127060 Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:34:06 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19126938 Jodokast96 : One thing I just thought of, since you are going the calender route, won't all submissions need to be landscape as opposed to portrait? Will that affect any current submissions?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19126938 Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:10:00 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19126922 Jason Levine : Thanks. And yes, I think getting new submissions would be a wonderful idea.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19126922 Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:06:47 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19125390 pog :
said by tmpchaos See Profile :

I think that, to be fair, new submissions should be encouraged- and priors will need to be confirmed.
Yes... having categories makes me want to submit more photos! :)
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In any way I can help.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19123467 Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:00:20 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19122532 ErthBndAngel : I've received and e-mail from a representative of the Make a Wish Foundation. I will call her tomorrow and leave her my contact information.

Have we decided whether or not to reopen submissions? If we do I'd be happy to throw in »/showpic/dimag···6178&1=1, »ErthBndAngel picture 'First time working with extended ex..' or »/showpic/dimag···folder=0

I'll keep you posted on what I hear from our contact at MAW
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Cities (2 photos)
Flowers (11 photos)
Earth and Sky (15 photos)
Water and Fire (8 photos)
Wildlife (19 photos)

I still have 15 photos to make categories for. We could easily fill 6 calendars. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19116332 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:12:56 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106025 pog : One per month is probably best... a bigger picture to look at! :)

Also, if any of the 3 I submitted last time were usable, they can be put on any dslr/bbr "Shooting For A Cause" product.
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I'll try to group them into categories in the next day or two. Then we'll see about re-opening submissions for the various categories.

I agree that about one image per month, full spread. This will reduce the complexity of having to match up multiple images and make the calendars much easier to compile.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19104213 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:42:35 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19101936 ErthBndAngel : Ok just to give everyone a heads up. An e-mail has been sent to the address provided by POG (thanks for the research) asking them for a little clarification on some of the legal issues and if and how we could obtain the rights to use their logo on the calendar. I would hate to start building calendars without all the available images. Anyone have all of them compiled in one place who could send me a zipped file with them.

Is everyone thinking one image per month full spread or are there any thoughts on doing 2-4 image collage spreads. And if we're going to break things down and do multiple calendars it would be great if who ever has the images now could just put them into some kind of logical groupings that way we can easily see what we've got plenty of and then decide themes based on what we physically have.
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pog, I think a calendar has either 12 or 18 images depending on whether it is a 12 month or 18 month calendar. The multiple "themed" calendar idea is a good one. We could easily fill 5 or more calendars with the photos we've got. (Plus, add in new photo submissions.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19100918 Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:06:39 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19100020 pog : Hello, Action! :)

»www.wish.org/help/fundraising/fu···ng_ideas

Generally with non-profits, it should be ok to say that we are supporting a particular cause. Things get a little dicey, though, when it's implied that a given charity officially/formally endorses our effort... even more problematic when it's implied that a particular effort is being staged by a particular charity. All it takes is careful wording, making it clear we are unaffiliated supporters.

Also: »www.wish.org/about/privacy_legal (towards bottom)
All uses of Make-A-Wish Foundation of America service marks, both registered and common law, must be approved in writing by the Make-A-Wish Foundation of America. Inquiries may be directed to comm@wish.org.
I'm not sure what images Jason received directly but there are many others still in the original thread: »Shooting For A Cause: The Long Awaited Images Thread

A typical calendar has 16 images? There are enough shots there to fill quite a few calendars!

edit: would it be feasible to create a few calendars? One with animals, another with places, another with bugs, another with people, etc? More images would get used and our chances increase that individual buyers would want one version.
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Why all the damn fighting folks. Either step-up or stay quiet.

Edit: Kudos to EBA.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19099737 Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:04:00 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19099561 ErthBndAngel : No one seems to be following the post that got all of this started so I'll repost my comment from there here. It doesn't seem to me that everyone wants to see this project die. Simply that everyone is looking for some action. Well Hello action sitting right over here all I lack are pictures to take action with.

I'm still willing to help with the project and I think that the idea of starting with something smaller is also a good idea. I believe Jason has all the submissions at this point, but I also think it would be a good idea to start from fresh. With this new idea of a calendar it may change the type of images people choose to submit and will allow people to submit new images. I've designed a few calendars mainly for friends , family and a couple of local business using a combination of publisher for the dates portion and PS for the images portion. Just me offering up both my 2 cents and what time and skill I have.

Ok I've checked out a couple of the websites Jason mentioned and I'm just trying to figure out what the heck we're waiting for. A calendar and other products from any of these sites should be a piece of cake (and I'm talking tasty cake made by someone else...who brought milk). The book idea is HUGE and perhaps what we need is a year or three doing something like this successfully and then we can get some sponsorship with something larger like a book. The only thing this requires is getting the word out that the calendar is available. The sooner we get it done and get people talking about it the better, people are buying calendars now. I know I'm selling them to them.

Anyone know if we need permission from the Make A Wish foundation to use their name on and in relation to the project? If not I'm willing to start making calls and typing e-mails. Who knows what kind of help they and or their staff might be willing to offer if they knew about it.
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I foresee someone charging forward with great enthusiasm and then it fading into the background again. I firmly believe that if something is meant to be it will be and this just doesn't seem to be something that's meant to be.

This is not a slight to Jason's work, he was a good champion but realistically, I don't see this happening. Sure, a few people speak up and want to see it happen, but when the chips are down and actual work needs to be done, only one or two people will work on it and for work on this scale that's just not enough.
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I'm sure there's an online solution that would allow this, however tossing together some more affordable options would probably allow us to generate more income for the charity (mugs, calendar, etc). There are definitely more people that would probably be inclined to purchas something for $20 over something for $60.

Posted from BBR mobile]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19089527 Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:48:22 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19089273 cevans59 : Why not start with something smaller and simpler? Have a monthly poll to select a favorite photo and then make a calendar of those submissions.

The charity gets the money and we all get a great calendar :D
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Let me just say that this poll won't be binding. I reserve the right to keep going with the project even if the majority of people insist that we should quit. ;-) (Granted, if too many people say "quit", then I probably wouldn't get the support needed to proceed.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19088276 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:33:14 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19088163 Brainless : I would also think restarting over would be the wise choice. I know for myself, I would probably submit something different now than I did then.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19088163 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:17:09 EDT Re: Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19088131 DreamWraith : now that i see a vote.... i dont know.... heres how i feel about it.

its been so long since it was started, that one cannot reasonably expect everyone originally involved to participate. beyond that, voting isnt going to accomplish much, because, there are bound to be plenty of people not interested in doing a charity project of any kind.

its is my opinion that the entire thing be started over, and let those whom which to participate do so, and those who do not, refrain from doing so. if individuals still wish to keep their original submissions involved, so be that as well.

it would be a sad day if we were to allow those uninterested in the idea to bring down such an attainable project that just needs a little devotion. especially one geared towards such a worthy cause.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19088131 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:11:15 EDT Future Of The Shooting For A Cause Project? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19088028 Jason Levine : As you may or may not remember, a while back we started the Shooting For A Cause project. The purpose of this project was to gather the photographic talents on this forum to produce a photobook and donate the proceeds to charity.

We chose the charity (the Make-A-Wish Foundation), accepted the photograph submissions, even chose which ones should be included in the photobook. Unfortunately, that is where real life and a lack of photobook assembly experience collided. The project stalled for months on end and now stands at a crossroads.

A post asking about the progress of the project ( »What ever became........ ) resulted in an intriguing possibility.

Should we scrap the photobook entirely and just do a calendar (possibly mugs, or other items as well) instead? The advantage would be that the project would need a lot less experience to put together. (It's easier to put 18 images into a calendar than it is to put 100 images into a nice looking photobook.) The disadvantages would be that the charity would likely get less money and less photographers would be featured.

So:

[poll]How do you think we should proceed?,Keep trying to put together a photobook,Try to put together a calendar (possibly with mugs or other items alongside the calendar),Forget the Shooting For A Cause project altogether[/poll]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19088028 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:54:21 EDT