DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
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Re: I still don't agree that knowledge = Greater use
said by KrK  :Personally, people use the internet the way they use it. I don't see anyone suddenly increasing usage just because they found out what their cap limit is. What I do see happening is the people who have been exceeding the limits CUTTING BACK their usage to just below the cap... but isn't that the point? I disagree. The vast majority of users probably never exceed a tenth of what the current soft cap is. However, it the small band of heavy downloaders that have the potential to affect the performance of individual nodes because their usage can be many times the average. These are exactly the people who would take great pride in running to within a few megabytes of the limit. If these people found out that the limit was 400GB per month when they were only currently doing 350GB, they would up their usage. This is why any published cap is going to be way lower than the current soft caps. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Uh, those are the people who are exceeding the caps now. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
| How do you know that since Comcrap doesen't give you a number in black and white. Remember, these numbers also vary from market to market.
Personally, I think a number in black and white would be too low, therefore making Comcrap state a actual cap would be a bad idea.
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| reply to DMS1
said by DMS1 :said by KrK :Personally, people use the internet the way they use it. I don't see anyone suddenly increasing usage just because they found out what their cap limit is. What I do see happening is the people who have been exceeding the limits CUTTING BACK their usage to just below the cap... but isn't that the point? I disagree. The vast majority of users probably never exceed a tenth of what the current soft cap is. However, it the small band of heavy downloaders that have the potential to affect the performance of individual nodes because their usage can be many times the average. Unless everyone uses the same amount of bandwidth some HAVE TO "Use More Than The Average" since anytime you have different amounts of anything some are going to be under the average and some above it since the definition of average is the total of the measurements divided by the number of measurements. The problem is that the cap is set too low to support the users on the node. You should provision for the heavy users and let low usage users get their bandwidth as part of the equation. The idea is that you look at the actual measurements to see what they look like.
There are 3 different measures that can be called "The Average". The normal usage of Total/Count is the Arithmetic mean. The other 2 look at what value occurs the most often [Mode] and what value occurs at the middle when you list them in order of magnitude [Median] (ie: If you have 1001 measures, which one occurs at position 501 and thus has 500 below it and 500 above it).
One of these alternate "averages" is a better measure in this case since the vast majority of the measures are, as stated, below the cap (IOW: Mode and Median are probably near each other and way below the inappropriate Arithmetic Mean). An Arithmetic mean is only a valid measure when it is near the Mode and/or Median values (as it is NOT in this case). |
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Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
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join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH
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Cox has had there Caps in black and white for some time now.
»www.cox.com/policy/limitations.asp
I don't think they have much of trouble with abuse but i have not seen anyone complain about it.
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| said by Jigsaw :Cox has had there Caps in black and white for some time now. » www.cox.com/policy/limitations.aspI don't think they have much of trouble with abuse but i have not seen anyone complain about it. But look how low those Cox caps are (60GB per month on top tier). Do you really want Comcast to do this? |
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Robb
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Hillsboro, OR
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·Comcast
| Search for these words: bandwidth suspended (or whatever words make sense to you)
In the following forums:
•»Cox HSI
•»Comcast HSI
I come away concluding that they've listed some limits, but they've seldom or never enforced them.
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Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
Premium
join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH
·Cox HSI
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said by DMS1 :said by Jigsaw :Cox has had there Caps in black and white for some time now. » www.cox.com/policy/limitations.aspI don't think they have much of trouble with abuse but i have not seen anyone complain about it. But look how low those Cox caps are (60GB per month on top tier). Do you really want Comcast to do this? I think the highest i ever got was something like 78gigs(went nuts with giganews).Normally Im in the 20 to 30 gig range if that but that's just me.
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scoopy03
join:2003-05-06
00000 | reply to Jigsaw
wow 60gb i would go over that not even trying and i dont even have 10mb service atm
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