dadkins
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| reply to KrK
Re: I still don't agree that knowledge = Greater use
It will happen like this...
xxxGB cap, "ONOES!!!1 I'm not getting all of what I'm paying for, must download for the sake of downloading because I am paying for it!"
Usage spikes! Your Comcast line chokes because all your neighbors take the above attitude and open it up!
You and I may not do this, but you know damn well some people will do it!
Screw that noise! 
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DaSneaky1D
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The Lou
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| Most people with HSI don't even know how to use the Internet that much, where to go to download that much, or have an idea what a GigaByte even is. I seriouly doubt there will be an upward trend by any majority if they stated their limits.
And honestly, anyone that can find a way to consume 300, 400, ect GB of data is quite likely wasting it. Are people routinely storing that much data a month? Are people watching 10 hours of IPTV everyday each month? Even a combination of activities is excessive, and the majority of HSI users are not that type of consumer for any residential ISP, let alone Comcast.
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dadkins
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September 18th, @03:17PM
| As it stands, there are the FU** IT types of HSI customers and they get kicked eventually - good!
There are peoplr like myself that use the connection "normally" and will never have to worry about a cap or "The Letter/The Call"
Then there are the Power users that are aware that they are pushing the unknown "limits" with their monthly totals.
These are the ones that will likely see a stated cap and run right up to that limit EVERY month - "Because I pay for it".
There's the problem.
Forget that Comcast will likely set the hard cap at some silly low number so everyone will be on a level playing field.. like 50GB per month? Lower?
What do you think the average usage per customer is?
Aint 100GB. Sure as hell isn't 200GB
Screw that!
A 50GB cap would not CURRENTLY affect me, but what about the thousands of others out there that hit 100GB per month?
Sure going to piss off a few, eh?
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djrobx
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| reply to DaSneaky1D
A couple years ago I would have agreed that its difficult to actually consume so much data. But, with HD movies at around 9GB a pop (even more if not reencoded to DVD9 size), it's pretty easy to actually utilize a lot of gigs now.
Couple that with 8+mbps speeds even those huge data files don't really take that long to download. You can blow through that stated "90GB cap" in a day. |
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funchords
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| reply to dadkins
Then there are the Power users that are aware that they are pushing the unknown "limits" with their monthly totals.
These are the ones that will likely see a stated cap and run right up to that limit EVERY month - "Because I pay for it". Does anyone here have a cell phone that comes with a certain amount of "free minutes" every month?
Do you use them?
It's the same thing. Nobody talks for the sake of talking, but some certainly talk more than others. Exposing the limit is not going to drive people to use it more. But it will tell the ones that are ALREADY using it heavily that they have to use it less.
Ah, but then again, there's that competition problem again.
As soon as Comcast is "limited," then DSL/FIOS have a field day. Just like Satellite had a field day with Comcast CATV over "Digital Cable."
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DaSneaky1D
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The Lou | reply to djrobx
OK...Download, burn, delete.
Alright, I can see that. Even still, I think that the amount of people that would do that are still small enough to not impact a network if Comcast did state a hard line of acceptable usage. |
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dadkins
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Joe Comcast user... scared of hitting cap and getting "The Letter", so he is staying just under 75GB per month.
Comcast imposes a 150GB cap.
Joe user ramps up usage because he is "Paying for it and wants to get all of what he is paying for".
Me, caps or not, I have yet to hit 32GB in a month.
Cap it at anything 32GB or higher and *I* won't really care - unless I get the urge to download 50 movies some month.
Those "I pay for it, I'll max it!" types are out there.
Comcast(YOU KNOW!) will lowball it and we all will see a thousand *more* "Comcast is teh suck" posts here alone...
Best to leave it in the Inviso Cap realm.
You may be in a 200GB market, I may be in a 75GB market.
To be fair(LOL!) Comcast will say your area is now 75GB just like mine.
Awesome, huh?
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KrK
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| reply to dadkins
See, that's the fear, but I think it is unfounded.
I know quite a few people who have broadband. Of those, only one of them is what most people would call heavy user. The rest are gamers, and regular users.
They could announce the true Cap on their bill tommorrow. These guys aren't going to rush to download more or crank up an FTP server or anything. They'll keep playing their games, their surfing, and regular downloading. Why?
None of em give a damn about the cap now. None worry that they are over, so there's no "fear" holding them back. They do what they want, when they feel like it. So if tommorrow the cable Co told them what their Cap actually is, what would effect? Nothing. They wouldn't care.
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KrK
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said by dadkins  :Then there are the Power users that are aware that they are pushing the unknown "limits" with their monthly totals. These are the ones that will likely see a stated cap and run right up to that limit EVERY month - "Because I pay for it". Here's the deal. Sometimes we forget that while quite a lot of us surf this website regularly, 99.9% of the people with broadband DO NOT.
Most of these so called heavy users are clueless about the existance of a Cap. Therefore there is NO FEAR HOLDING THEM BACK.
It's only when they get threatened with disconnection that the consternation starts.
So my point being these people are already maxxing out their connections a lot. Telling them their CAP might actually improve the situation by creating the fear you mentioned. |
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KrK
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said by dadkins :Joe Comcast user... scared of hitting cap and getting "The Letter", so he is staying just under 75GB per month. Joe Comcast user is clueless the cap exists, and therefore isn't cutting back anything from fear that they do not have. 99.9% Of Joe Comcast users don't surf BroadbandReports (or at least not regularly) and are blissfully oblivious... and therefore even if someone came and told them straight out "You Cap is 200GB a month" it wouldn't mean squat to them because they aren't hitting it.
Maybe in the future as more and more services start to piggyback on Broadband this might become an issue, but then when Joe Comcast starts hitting caps instead of just "Heavy downloaders" well Comcast is going to be taking flak anyway.
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KrK
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said by dadkins :You may be in a 200GB market, I may be in a 75GB market. To be fair(LOL!) Comcast will say your area is now 75GB just like mine. IMHO this is the best (and only real) reason to fear a policy of declaring Caps.
That the CableCo may decide it's easier to declare "One size fits all" and then look at their most oversold nodes and make the Cap down to that level.
This, I agree, is a possibility. However the solution would be for the users to push back and Comcast to start losing customers over the low caps. End result: Comcast has to upgrade capacity to raise caps and retain customers. That's the solution.
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