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moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
reply to jc100

Re: Immunity

I know history. If anyone has failed anyone, it was your teachers.

Again, when did Germany DIRECTLY attack us? Answer that. Only after we went over did they directly attack us. We had, according to the same definitions you use for the Iraq War, we had no business being over their.

And you better do a bit more reading. Russia was very interested in Japan and even went into Manchuria. One reason Germany never got the bomb was because they lost a shipment of D20 (heavy water) in Norway and was never able to make more without taking resources from other projects (such as the V1 and V2, jets, etc.)

Sanctions failed. Why? Because the UN failed to do anything. Food for Oil ring a bell? Even the son of the Secretary General was in on the fraud.

As for reports of genocide in Germany, there was no way to confirm it and even so, this country was anti-Semitic enough to not care. Again, I bring up the SS ST. Louis if you want to see how much we cared about Jews back then. It's not like we had reconnaissance planes over Germany like we have spy satellites now. And those being deported couldn't tell their side of the story and many in Germany supported it. Look up "Kristallnacht". That happened in 1938 and we waited until 1941 to go in?

Let's not forget the Japanese atrocities. Wake Island, Philippines, POW camps.

As for Kuwait, why did we stop at the border? That's right, the good old UN stopped us after the "Highway of Death" incident.

Your knowledge of history is severely lacking. Keep trying.

jc100

join:2002-04-10
I WILL TRY ONE LAST TIME with you.

First, Germany never attacked us but they made an official declaration of war after we embargoed them for oil and assets. Hence, after being attacked by Japan just a few days earlier, why the hell WOULD we wait for Germany to decimate Europe further and make it to our soil? Once again, you make connections that don't exist. IRAQ NEVER declared war on the U.S. formally or unofficially. There was NEVER a declaration by Saddam to Attack the U.S. with military might. The only time he ever made threats were when WE ATTACKED HIM. Try getting your history straight. It really isn't going well for you.

Second, I know why Germany didn't get the bomb. A large part was them losing their materials but they also lost the war before it was finished. However, that's an aside note. What you STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND is that we used the atomic bomb on Japan to save millions of our soldiers lives. Russia had NOTHING to do with us dropping the bomb. The justification for using it was that the amount of troops it would take to secure the Japanese mainland would be in the millions, a high cost seeing we lost so many in Europe. Before you speak further, GOOGLE a reputable site and not some contrived version of history. Russia only went into japan AFTER we dropped the bombs. Neither the U.S. or Russia wanted to enter ground warfare due to the amount of lives that would have been lost.. Who was your history teacher, the Emperor of Japan? You definitely DO NOT know your facts.

As for Genocide in Europe, we had reports. Yet, we didn't act swiftly. We knew it was happening, just not to what extent. You can argue what you wish, but obviously, you don't research your statements. Second, we did turn away the Jews and that was a big mistake on our part. Then again, we also interned the Japanese in pseudo concentration camps. Our actions really weren't at their peak back them. However, we did get our ducks in a row. Then again, we had Japan attacking us first and Germany to deal with. I see you stopped making your baseless allegations about Japan being a minor player in the war...

Also, I completely noticed you dropped your argument about Christianity. I knew REALITY an ACTUAL facts would put an end to your arguments. So if you wish to claim Muslims are out to get you, then by far Christians are too. Christianity's past is so tainted, one might think the sacrament is the blood of the people they've killed in history and not of Jesus.....

moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
said by jc100:

I WILL TRY ONE LAST TIME with you.

First, Germany never attacked us but they made an official declaration of war after we embargoed them for oil and assets. Hence, after being attacked by Japan just a few days earlier, why the hell WOULD we wait for Germany to decimate Europe further and make it to our soil? Once again, you make connections that don't exist. IRAQ NEVER declared war on the U.S. formally or unofficially. There was NEVER a declaration by Saddam to Attack the U.S. with military might. The only time he ever made threats were when WE ATTACKED HIM. Try getting your history straight. It really isn't going well for you.
Why would we wait for Iraq to attack us since we had sanctions on them?

said by jc100:

Second, I know why Germany didn't get the bomb. A large part was them losing their materials but they also lost the war before it was finished. However, that's an aside note. What you STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND is that we used the atomic bomb on Japan to save millions of our soldiers lives. Russia had NOTHING to do with us dropping the bomb. The justification for using it was that the amount of troops it would take to secure the Japanese mainland would be in the millions, a high cost seeing we lost so many in Europe. Before you speak further, GOOGLE a reputable site and not some contrived version of history. Russia only went into japan AFTER we dropped the bombs. Neither the U.S. or Russia wanted to enter ground warfare due to the amount of lives that would have been lost.. Who was your history teacher, the Emperor of Japan? You definitely DO NOT know your facts.
Look up Operation August Storm and tell me Russia had no plans for Japan. They went in on August 8th. Little Boy was dropped on Hiroshima on the 6th.

said by jc100:

As for Genocide in Europe, we had reports. Yet, we didn't act swiftly. We knew it was happening, just not to what extent. You can argue what you wish, but obviously, you don't research your statements. Second, we did turn away the Jews and that was a big mistake on our part. Then again, we also interned the Japanese in pseudo concentration camps. Our actions really weren't at their peak back them. However, we did get our ducks in a row. Then again, we had Japan attacking us first and Germany to deal with. I see you stopped making your baseless allegations about Japan being a minor player in the war...
You forgot Germans and German-Americans were also interred in camps. Not many of them but some were.

Also, I never said Japan was a minor player. The focus of the war was Europe first and Japan second. From December 7th, 1941 until June 6th, 1942, the Japanese were gaining ground.

said by jc100:

Also, I completely noticed you dropped your argument about Christianity. I knew REALITY an ACTUAL facts would put an end to your arguments. So if you wish to claim Muslims are out to get you, then by far Christians are too. Christianity's past is so tainted, one might think the sacrament is the blood of the people they've killed in history and not of Jesus.....
Didn't drop the argument. You merely used it but I will answer your question. Other than Eric Rudolph (who killed abortion doctors), where are all the Christian suicide bombers? Can't use McViegh since he was not very religious and he lived. Where are the massive Christian suicide bombers supported by a government?

Every single argument you put forth as a reason to attack Germany can be used in the same context to attack Iraq. You've got sanctions, genocide and you even had declarations of war (against the west in general.)

Keep trying.

jc100

join:2002-04-10
Iraq to attack us? They never even hinted at the fact they plan to. Hell, we attacked them first, on two seperate occasions. This latest one didn't even have cuase. Still, why don't we invade Sweden, England, Norway. They MIGHT attack us in the distant future for some reason or another. Let's be pre-emptive. Better yet, let's just go into venezuela and knock out Chavez. He's not willing to share his Oil and has formed agreements with other South American Countries. Damn him to hell. Let's just go invade them as they keep talking too much. While we're at it, how about Cuba? Hell, why not everyone in the world. At some point or another, someone has said bad things against us. Why not just make the world the U.S. confederacy. You know, take over everyone and make them our territories while we at it. We're just so damn good at controlling Iraq (more sarcasm), why dont we bring our joy of destruction to everyone!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO USA!!!... Sarcasm aside, what are you smoking? You seriously amaze me.

Next topic, do you like repeating me or you really bored? "Look up Operation August Storm and tell me Russia had no plans for Japan. They went in on August 8th. Little Boy was dropped on Hiroshima on the 6th." DIDN'T I say ten times over THAT no one wanted to enter Japan with ground forces, not even Russia. You proceeded to tell me that Russia was going to beat us to the punch. NOW, you state exactly what I stated. RUSSIA only entered AFTER we dropped the bomb. My god man, your history sucks. The bomb ended the war with Japan, and the troops cleaned up the mess on all sides. Russia also Entered Berlin and other areas. What's your point?

Charles Taylor - It doesn't matter how you die, just that you are dead. Who gives a flying "F*CK" if the Christians used suicide bombers, guns, or spears. THEY STILL MURDERED MILLIONS IN HISTORY. The end result is the same, they killed people in the name of their religion. So what if it's not by a suicide bomb. Those people are dead. You my friend have just lost any and all my respect. My god. I didn't think people of your caliber still existed, but I guess they do. Do me a favor, go to someone who has just died and try speaking with them. They don't answer, RIGHT? Why? They are dead, whether it be from a heart attack, cancer, or a gunshot. The results the same. WHO CARES the method used!

Last, NO. Every argument I gave cannot apply to Iraq. WHERE did Iraq formally declare war on the U.S. Where was Iraqs involvement in 9/11. Answer those two with some hard facts. You won't find them. Hence, my argument for Germany is FAR DIFFERENT than Iraq. Sanctions do not just give cause to go to war. Actions do. Iraq didn't do anything aggressive towards us. As for the genocide, GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL. It was twenty plus years ago. Apparently Regan and Bush didn't care about it. Bush entered to save Kuwait, not to depose Saddam for Genocide. So to use that as an argument for today's war is not even valid. GROW UP!

moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
said by jc100:

Iraq to attack us? They never even hinted at the fact they plan to. Hell, we attacked them first, on two seperate occasions. This latest one didn't even have cuase. Still, why don't we invade Sweden, England, Norway. They MIGHT attack us in the distant future for some reason or another. Let's be pre-emptive. Better yet, let's just go into venezuela and knock out Chavez. He's not willing to share his Oil and has formed agreements with other South American Countries. Damn him to hell. Let's just go invade them as they keep talking too much. While we're at it, how about Cuba? Hell, why not everyone in the world. At some point or another, someone has said bad things against us. Why not just make the world the U.S. confederacy. You know, take over everyone and make them our territories while we at it. We're just so damn good at controlling Iraq (more sarcasm), why dont we bring our joy of destruction to everyone!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO USA!!!... Sarcasm aside, what are you smoking? You seriously amaze me.
So why did we attack Germany? A declaration of war? Iran attacked our soil. In case you don't realize it, embassies are sovereign soil of the countries that run them. Sweden, England and Norway have made no moves towards us. Venezuela on the other hand has made threats and if you knew anything about their mentality, you would know he is all talk. And, yes, I know people from Venezuela and other South American countries and I can tell you, some of those leaders have told Chavez to STFU.

said by jc100:

Next topic, do you like repeating me or you really bored? "Look up Operation August Storm and tell me Russia had no plans for Japan. They went in on August 8th. Little Boy was dropped on Hiroshima on the 6th." DIDN'T I say ten times over THAT no one wanted to enter Japan with ground forces, not even Russia. You proceeded to tell me that Russia was going to beat us to the punch. NOW, you state exactly what I stated. RUSSIA only entered AFTER we dropped the bomb. My god man, your history sucks. The bomb ended the war with Japan, and the troops cleaned up the mess on all sides. Russia also Entered Berlin and other areas. What's your point?
And what did Russia do with their part of Germany? The Russians were looking for more territory as a buffer zone. We wanted a quick end to the war and the bombs helped that. Kind of funny that Russia finally comes in after he thought Japan was going to lose and thought they could get some extra land out of it.

said by jc100:

Charles Taylor - It doesn't matter how you die, just that you are dead. Who gives a flying "F*CK" if the Christians used suicide bombers, guns, or spears. THEY STILL MURDERED MILLIONS IN HISTORY. The end result is the same, they killed people in the name of their religion. So what if it's not by a suicide bomb. Those people are dead. You my friend have just lost any and all my respect. My god. I didn't think people of your caliber still existed, but I guess they do. Do me a favor, go to someone who has just died and try speaking with them. They don't answer, RIGHT? Why? They are dead, whether it be from a heart attack, cancer, or a gunshot. The results the same. WHO CARES the method used!
Show me where Christians now are killing massive amounts of people?

You trying to rationalize this shows your complete ignorance and willingness to absolve muslims of killing because they are righting some wrong. Muslims did their fair share of murder too but you seem to think that is o.k.

said by jc100:

Last, NO. Every argument I gave cannot apply to Iraq. WHERE did Iraq formally declare war on the U.S. Where was Iraqs involvement in 9/11. Answer those two with some hard facts. You won't find them. Hence, my argument for Germany is FAR DIFFERENT than Iraq. Sanctions do not just give cause to go to war. Actions do. Iraq didn't do anything aggressive towards us. As for the genocide, GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL. It was twenty plus years ago. Apparently Regan and Bush didn't care about it. Bush entered to save Kuwait, not to depose Saddam for Genocide. So to use that as an argument for today's war is not even valid. GROW UP!
Iraq did support terrorism.

»www.cfr.org/publication/9513/

Maybe you need to stop wearing those liberal blinders and open up your eyes.

Funny how you never bring up Clinton when he bombed some supposed terrorist camps after Monica Lewinsky came out in the news. "Wag the Dog."

jc100

join:2002-04-10
You know what. I'm done rehashing the same argument with you. A declaration of war after being attacked four days prior has serious ground. We got surprised attack by Japan and now Germany is threatening us with military action. Yet, you don't seem to get it and I'm not going to explain. Read my post again.

As for those other countries, why not. You are advocating going after the world. Why not just take down everyone. Hell, friend can turn enemy in no time. What's that saying, keep your enemies close and you friends closer. They are the ones who have access to do harm. By your rationale, anyone speaking rhetoric should be taken down by military action. We've seen how well the wars this century have gone with Korea, Vietnam, and Now Iraq. Venezuela, Iran, and Cuba next. Rhetoric or not, they are threatening us, so let's go bomb the hell out of them. O wait, rhetoric counts for squat. None have officially declared war. As per Irans actions, you keep bringing up events twenty and thirty years ago. It's 2007 bud, not 1981. Different leadership. While you use the past in making a decision, you don't use it as the sole basis for stupid decisions. IE IRAQ.

On the Russians. Sure they partitioned land. They also fought beside us. What's your point? You don't have one other than misconstrue facts over and over. We dropped the bomb. NO ONE WENT IN BEFORE we did. You made the claim Russia was power hungry over land. Well gee, I don't care what battle you refer to. Please refresh my memory on east and west Japan under Russia or where we fought Russia in Japan? We didn't. Great. So stop spitting out crap you have no understanding about. The atomic bomb was used to stop Japan and prevent millions of casualties on our end. Only after dropping the bomb did the U.S. and Russia Enter. Obviously, Russia wasn't too concerned with taking Japan. I'll await your wonderful "mispoken facts" response telling me the heroic battle between Russia and the U.S. On Japanese Soil.

"Show me where Christians now are killing massive amounts of people?"

You trying to rationalize this shows your complete ignorance and willingness to absolve muslims of killing because they are righting some wrong. Muslims did their fair share of murder too but you seem to think that is o.k.

Now? Who cares about now. 1995 with 100-200,000 Dead Muslims at Christian Serb Hands not good enough? Hell in the last 100 years they've been responsible for around Eight million Deaths. I am not justifying ANYONE's actions for murder. I am merely saying your IGNORANT Racism towards Muslims is no more justified than it should be towards Christians. After all, Christians have killed more people in the last Hundred years than Muslims in the last several centuries. Hence, if you want to make the argument Muslims are Terrorists, it so can be made towards Christians too.

Nice pseudo link on Iraq. Now get me a real source with RELIABLE facts. CFR, who the hell are they? Second, the article you pointed to is from 2005 when WE CLAIMED there were links to terror. We found out otherwise, haven't we? So cut the crap. Want me to find a link from 1981 where Regan states Star Wars will be an overwhelming success?

moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
said by jc100:

Mindless rantings.

Each time you say you are done, you keep coming back.

Face it, your entire argument is nothing more than a rant against President Bush and Republicans and you will never see truth or logic when it contradicts your views. If you ever open your eyes (which remains quite doubtful), you will see that politicians (whether Democrat or Republican) will always look out for their best interests and not those of the country as a whole. Until you realize that, you will have nightmares of Republicans dancing around with illegal wiretaps and provocations of war.

And, if you bothered to do any research, you would have realized that most of these wiretaps were on calls that originated OUTSIDE the US which means they have very little protection under US law. I would be surprised if these calls were originally recorded here and not in some other country whose wire tapping laws are either negligible or non-existent.

jc100

join:2002-04-10

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First and Foremost, ALMOST ALL Republicans voted for this. However, you don't bother to read down where I also Chastised the large percentage of Democrats who did, too. All but those 62-66 Democrats (forget number), don't deserve to be re-elected for going along with this foolishness. Hence, my argument has more merit than yours. Your argument is based of sheer ignorance of both history and mankind. You seem to make things one sided about the Muslims being out to kill everyone. I've proven you wrong EACH AND EVERY TIME with hard facts. You seem to be oblivious to reality.

Christians are far worse historically than Muslims. However, bad behavior is bad behavior. None of it should be tolerated, no matter who it is coming from. However, in dealing with it, there's a certain level of action thats required. I said it before, parking barriers by federal buildings, metal detectors, and increased airport security are fine. Those dont intrude on our every day lives. However, WIRETAPS are not. You obviously don't know history, which doesn't surprise me since you've gotten it wrong each and every time you've spoken. However, the FBI just got audited and it was found over 100 COPIED letters were mailed out DEMANDING information on Americans, in cases where such information was not required. More or less, the government is using these laws to spy on US and AVOID the checks and balances of the court. Likewise, who knows who they are monitoring. You and I don't got a list of calls. Obviously, they could be tapping into our phones, and without the courts overseeing it, we'll never know. That's the problem in a nutshell and you are playing naive in thinking the government has our best interest at heart here. I'll let you believe that. No one is going to force someone with blinders to change.

moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
All you have proven is your lack of understanding and complete ignorance of history.

I corrected you once before when you CLAIMED that the Democrats were unanimous in their voting about the Patriot Act. You argued semantics. I brought FACTS and not something that could be questioned but the Federal Record. You still tried to say Democrats were against this.

Do I think the FBI and government in general make stupid moves. Of course they do. However, I don't lay blame on just one person, I blame the entire structure. As for those Democrats who did not vote for the Act, where are they? Why aren't they yelling from very mountaintop, "I TOLD YOU SO!"

And if you think Hillary or Obama will repeal it, you will be sorely disappointed.

As for Christians killing more people, a)show some facts and b)the Muslims seem to be catching up rather quickly. BTW, if you are not a Muslim, then you are either to be killed or a slave according to radical Islam.

Better calm down before you have a stroke.

jc100

join:2002-04-10

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You are completely a HOPELESS cause. FIRST, wake up from your delusion. I NEVER CLAIMED unanimous voting on the Patriot Act. Go find where I stated this. On the complete contrast, I SAID ALMOST all Republicans voted for it and around 62-66 Democrats voted no. I never once made the allegation you mention. I vehemently stated that those Democrats not in the 62-66 should be OUSTERED. READ CAREFULLY AND NOT WHAT YOU WISH TO SEE. Hence, FACTS aren't in your dictionary are they? Do you make up things as you go. Time and Time again I've caught your fallacies.

As for the FBI, they are abusing their power because we are letting them. By removing the courts and checks and balances, we have given them the right to do whatever they wish with no oversight. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. The same for the NSA. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself when we unilaterally hand away our rights to one entity, and expect them not to go above and beyond their call of duty. It's dangerous to give such power to one person, but you'll never see this once again. To the point the Democrats aren't acting, they have LIMITED the Patriot Act and put stipulations. It's more than the Republicans did with their rubber stamps. SOmething is better than nothing at this point. Id rather have some gains than more losses. STill, the whole damn document needs to be repealed.

On Christian / Muslim Genocide, Muslims aren't even close. Please name me 7 million people Muslims have killed since 1940. Hitler, sponsored by the Methodist and Catholic Church exterminated 6 million. The Bosnian Serbs killed 1-200,000. Let's not forget the wars started by Christian Missionaries FORCING their beliefs onto people in Africa. We all know how much of a mess that place is in some countries. Good old colonialism, favoritism, and forced religion have mucked that place up. So by far, Christians drinking the sacrament are slurping the blood of those who they have killed. OF which includes people who have refused to convert (Inquisition and such). However, believe what you wish. Either way, bad behavior and murder isn't justified but take your IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY elsewhere. It wasn't but ten years ago the Serbs MURDERED those 100-200,000 Muslims and dropped them in mass graves. War Crime Trials are still taking place for those.


moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
said by jc100:

You are completely a HOPELESS cause. FIRST, wake up from your delusion. I NEVER CLAIMED unanimous voting on the Patriot Act. Go find where I stated this. On the complete contrast, I SAID ALMOST all Republicans voted for it and around 62-66 voted no. I never once made the allegation you mention. I vehemently stated that those Democrats not in the 62-66 should be OUSTERED. READ CAREFULLY AND NOT WHAT YOU WISH TO SEE. Hence, FACTS aren't in your dictionary are they? Do you make up things as you go. Time and Time again I've caught your fallacies.
Your own words RIGHT HERE:

»Re: People keep telling me Im Wrong

You used the word UNANIMOUS. Not "nearly" unanimous until I corrected you. All but 2 Democrats in the Senate voted for it. One against and one abstained. And you still keep forgetting the 3 Republicans in the House who voted against it. You = owned.

said by jc100:

As for the FBI, they are abusing their power because we are letting them. By removing the courts and checks and balances, we have given them the right to do whatever they wish with no oversight. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. The same for the NSA. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself when we unilaterally hand away our rights to one entity, and expect them not to go above and beyond their call of duty. It's dangerous to give such power to one person, but you'll never see this once again. To the point the Democrats aren't acting, they have LIMITED the Patriot Act and put stipulations. It's more than the Republicans did with their rubber stamps. SOmething is better than nothing at this point. Id rather have some gains than more losses. STill, the whole damn document needs to be repealed.
The democrats did and do nothing except cry about the war. If a bill fails, re-introduce it until the American people say something and force the hand of the republicans. If not then they are just the same.

said by jc100:

On Christian / Muslim Genocide, Muslims aren't even close. Please name me 7 million people Muslims have killed since 1940. Hitler, sponsored by the Methodist and Catholic Church exterminated 6 million. The Bosnian Serbs killed 1-200,000. Let's not forget the wars started by Christian Missionaries FORCING their beliefs onto people in Africa. We all know how much of a mess that place is in some countries. Good old colonialism, favoritism, and forced religion have mucked that place up. So by far, Christians drinking the sacrament are slurping the blood of those who they have killed. OF which includes people who have refused to convert (Inquisition and such). However, believe what you wish. Either way, bad behavior and murder isn't justified but take your IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY elsewhere. It wasn't but ten years ago the Serbs MURDERED those 100-200,000 Muslims and dropped them in mass graves. War Crime Trials are still taking place for those.
Lesso already responded with a list of Muslim attorcities, I'd suggest you read them unless you had too much Kool Aid.

jc100

join:2002-04-10

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And yet...

In the house, you will see 64 voted no. Only 3 Republicans. Hence, I do blame democrats, but not all. On the other hand, the Republicans voted unanimously to piss away your rights. At least 66 democrats between the house and senate spoke their mind. It's more than the opposite party did.

I am steadfast right by saying ALMOST UNANIMOUS. So while you might have corrected me on saying 1 or whatever, I WAS NOT FAR OFF. So the point stands. THREE REPUBLICANS and 61 DEMOCRATS. Thats 20X times the Republicans. POINT AND MATCH.!

The democrats did and do nothing except cry about the war. If a bill fails, re-introduce it until the American people say something and force the hand of the republicans. If not then they are just the same.

Um they aren't crying. They are CONTINUING to try and pass bills. Yet, the Republicans WHO HATE AMERICANS obviously and wish for war, DO NOT let anything change. Stay the course is the same MANTRA we have heard from Bush since Iraq began. Stay the course? Really? It's failed over and over and you want to keep trying? I swear, Bush and his Party are filled with certifiable retards. Last time I checked, if something doesn't work, you modify your strategy. NOT THE REPUBLICANS. You STAY the course. Let's not Forget that Republicans have had Control of Congress from 1995-2001 and 2003-2006. Between 2001 and 2003 they controlled the House. Hence, they have dictated the policy that has led us to much of our quagmire. Whine, sure they don't whine. Only one person in Congress has a kid in office. It's not their sons or daughters dying. They could care less. They care about the Black Gold that Iraq possess, not about Saddam. They have wealth to gain, and nothing to lose. After all, if they did, why did Bush Sr save the Kuwaiti oil fields in 1990 and not depose Saddam for War Crimes then? Like father Like Son..

"Lesso already responded with a list of Muslim attorcities, I'd suggest you read them unless you had too much Kool Aid."

And I responded to Lessop. I suggest you read my reply. Obviously, your bigoted mentality won't change, but give it a read anyway. In the mean time, should I consider you a TERRORIST. My guess, you are Christian. Your Brotheren have MURDERED around 7 million people in this past century! I guess that qualifies you as one, since you are grouping all Muslims in the same boat. So from this point on, when we say Terrorist, this will be including you and your Fellow Christians.

moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
said by jc100:

And yet...

In the house, you will see 64 voted no. Only 3 Republicans. Hence, I do blame democrats, but not all. On the other hand, the Republicans voted unanimously to piss away your rights. At least 66 democrats between the house and senate spoke their mind. It's more than the opposite party did.

I am steadfast right by saying ALMOST UNANIMOUS. So while you might have corrected me on saying 1 or whatever, I WAS NOT FAR OFF. So the point stands. THREE REPUBLICANS and 61 DEMOCRATS. Thats 20X times the Republicans. POINT AND MATCH.!
Contradiction in the same post. Almost unanimous does not equal unanimous. You = owned again.

said by jc100:

Um they aren't crying. They are CONTINUING to try and pass bills.
Yeah, Nancy Pelosi is really changing things in Congress. Is that why the DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED CONGRESS has a lower approval rating than the President?

said by jc100:

And I responded to Lessop. I suggest you read my reply. Obviously, your bigoted mentality won't change, but give it a read anyway. In the mean time, should I consider you a Terrorist. My guess, you are Christian. Your Brotheren have MURDERED around 7 million people in this past century! i guess that qualifies you as one, since you are grouping all Muslims in the same boat.
ASSumptions own you again. Keep grasping at straws. Still looking for those black helicopters circling your house?

And you did not respond to his list of Muslim atrocities.

»Re: They have endangered our society.

jc100

join:2002-04-10

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An overstatement is not an inaccuracy. Its simply an overstatement. It doesn't make my point any less valid that three Republicans versus 64 Democrats voted against it. Tit for tatt. You sound like a baby whining on semantics. Either way, MOST OF THE REPUBLICANS, voted to STRIP AMERICANS of our rights. IE. Republicans obviously do not Cherish America. What happened to small government. We have more to fear from the Republican Right and A Sizeable portion of Democrats voting for this Molarchy than we do the terrorists. It's the Republican right who have sold our rights away on a fictitious sense that terrorists are out to get us, just like the big bad boogy man.

"Yeah, Nancy Pelosi is really changing things in Congress. Is that why the DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED CONGRESS has a lower approval rating than the President?"

That's because the Republicans aren't letting legislation pass. More or less the hatred for Republicans put the Democrats in office. Unfortunately, those stay the course Republicans would rather see our boys die, than come up with a real plan. They had four years of TOTAL control to do so. Guess what, they offered us NOTHING but more problems and heartaches. America is FED UP NOTHING is being accomplished. It's by no fault of the Democrats now who are trying, but having their plans rejected by the IGNORANCE of the Republican Party not wanting a solution.

As for LESSOP. I thought you meant this post. I'm not going to respond to his timeline. You can tell me what you wish, but that timeline doesn't prove much at all. Muslims havent murdered around 10 million people historically.

Millions of Muslims dead during the Crusades.

Millions dead during the Spanish Inquisition. That same rhetoric you're tossing out now. Convert or Die.

Six million Dead During the Holocaust. Hitler, the Methodist, and Catholic Church Per perpetrated this.

Last, but not least, 100-200,000 Dead to to Christians in Bosnia.

So TERRORIST, which mantra do you follow? A hatred for your fellow man and people different than yourselves. Obviously, Christians love thy neighbor so much, that they just kill them. Or do we go with the logic of Christians overwhelming tolerance for Gays and Blacks historically? We're not even factoring in the deaths and hate crimes committed there. I know, we'll right you off as a Bigot and Terrorist along with your buddy Lesop. After all, if all Muslims are Terrorists, then so are ALL Christians. His timeline didn't even pale to the MURDEROUS history of your religion. POINT AND MATCH!!! Case CLOSED!

moonpuppy

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said by jc100:

An overstatement is not an inaccuracy. Its simply an overstatement. It doesn't make my point any less valid that three Republicans versus 64 Democrats voted against it. Tit for tatt. You sound like a baby whining on semantics. Either way, MOST OF THE REPUBLICANS, voted to STRIP AMERICANS of our rights. IE. Republicans obviously do not Cherish America. What happened to small government. We have more to fear from the Republican Right and A Sizeable portion of Democrats voting for this Molarchy than we do the terrorists. It's the Republican right who have sold our rights away on a fictitious sense that terrorists are out to get us, just like the big bad boogy man.
Backpeddle boy, backpeddle. Overstatement = inaccuracy.

If the Democrats can't control Congress then why did they say they were going to clean things up?

said by jc100:

That's because the Republicans aren't letting legislation pass. More or less the hatred for Republicans put the Democrats in office. Unfortunately, those stay the course Republicans would rather see our boys die, than come up with a real plan. They had four years of TOTAL control to do so. Guess what, they offered us NOTHING but more problems and heartaches. America is FED UP NOTHING is being accomplished. It's by no fault of the Democrats now who are trying, but having their plans rejected by the IGNORANCE of the Republican Party not wanting a solution.
Again, the Democrats are just as bad if not worse for the political BS they spoon fed you and the rest of the moveon.org idiots.

said by jc100:

As for LESSOP. I thought you meant this post. I'm not going to respond to his timeline. You can tell me what you wish, but that timeline doesn't prove much at all. Muslims havent murdered around 10 million people historically.

Millions of Muslims dead during the Crusades.

Millions dead during the Spanish Inquisition. That same rhetoric you're tossing out now. Convert or Die.
Millions during the Spanish Inquisition? Care to back that up with facts or are you trying to shovel more BS.

said by jc100:

Six million Dead During the Holocaust. Hitler, the Methodist, and Catholic Church Per perpetrated this.

Last, but not least, 100-200,000 Dead to to Christians in Bosnia.

So TERRORIST, which mantra do you follow? A hatred for your fellow man and people different than yourselves. Obviously, Christians love thy neighbor so much, that they just kill them. Or do we go with the logic of Christians overwhelming tolerance for Gays and Blacks historically? We're not even factoring in the deaths and hate crimes committed there. I know, we'll right you off as a Bigot and Terrorist along with your buddy Lesop. After all, if all Muslims are Terrorists, then so are ALL Christians. His timeline didn't even pale to the MURDEROUS history of your religion. POINT AND MATCH!!! Case CLOSED!

And the same argument you push for Christianity applies to Muslims too (since you love to paint with a broad brush.)

Iranian Revolution where hundreds were executed for not being Muslim enough. Taliban rule in Afghanistan. Technology is bad, music is bad, alcohol is bad, uncovered women should be stoned.....the list goes on.

That glass house of yours must have a lot of broken windows.

jc100

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Backpeddle? NO. Correct an overstatement yes. I can admit I misquoted. However, a mistatement where the numbers are close is not a real fallacy. 0 or three. Tit for TATT. It's a very MINIMAL number.

"If the Democrats can't control Congress then why did they say they were going to clean things up?"

I said they are TRYING. I didn't say they are succeeding. Why aren't they? Their bills are being defeated by Anti-America Republicans who wish to see more of our boys die, yet offer no real solutions themselves. In the four years of 100 percent control, what solutions did they bring us? Please tell me how Iraq is solved and we're not there. Bush was the Hero of the day, and everything ended peachy. O wait, Bush said stayed the course, the Republican Rubber Stamp congress didn't solve anything, and we're still in a quagmire. All the time, Democrats are at least making an effort. This effort is of course being shot down by those same Republicans.

"Millions during the Spanish Inquisition? Care to back that up with facts or are you trying to shovel more BS."

Unfortunately, there are no hard numbers. Records didn't exist. All that can be proven is large numbers of people fled. My guess would be hundred of thousands, maybe more. Once again, records don't exist that validate much. However, look at any genocide and one can easily see millions flee when they occur. To assume the same didn't happen would be naive. Here's one take on the genocide of the Inquisition.

»www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso···ion.html

More information follows below. Most was gathered from various places.

Some predict 150,000 Trials took place, of which some led to death. There are no real numbers of who died as a result. Let's not forget, when you factor those killed as a result of the war, you must factor in deaths of refugees. This is something their estimates do not.... The number is in the air. The one article claims 3-4 percent of 150,000 died directly (5000), yet no hard evidence is offered. Frankly, no one knows since records sucked. For all you and I can argue, every one of those people could have died, and it can't be disproven. On the other hand, the low numbers could be right. Its impossible to settle on a figure. Either way, my argument stands even if not millions, probably 10s of thousands up to maybe 100,000 or more when you factor in the refugees who probably fled and fell victim to the ailments. This is a valid assessment, as today when war refugees flee, the factor them in to the death toll.

Finally, I stated bad behavior is bad behavior. What makes you a Terrorist also makes those who support Muslim Fanaticism one. Obviously, your steadfast belief in Christianity and it's bad deeds, also applies to all. Since you are hardline defending the back actions of the church, you are no different than the radical Muslims defending suicide bombings. I did state this. You just can't read.