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benc
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join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL
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Am I The Only One Frightened By Such An Idea?

To do everything, or nearly everything over IP sounds like a bad idea. This means that if the one connection goes out, you lose everything.

Do you really want to run almost everything over a single line? I know that I wouldn't want to.

It also scares me because most of these "residential-grade" services are "best effort," which is another way of saying "if it goes down, we'll take out sweet time to fix it." I may feel better about it if such connections were tightly regulated, meaning that the connection will have to be fixed ASAP, regardless of labor or overtime pay issues.

Can you really stand the idea of having NOTHING for DAYS, or in some cases, WEEKS?

After all, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket."


Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT

I really don't understand your point. Everyone, whether it's cable, fios or uverse..is delivering their service via a single line and so they're all prone to having that go out.

Out of the three though, I think that AT&T clearly and without doubt has the most risk with their reliance on their last mile old copper network.

It served them well for a long time when it was just landlines we were talking about, but even with DSL..it's limitations became clear. I'm simply at a loss as to how they now want to deliver hdtv..hsi and voice all in one via it.

And, I think the mere fact they're even trying to do so shows their desperation to be anything at all in this game at this point.
The problem with that is I just think the simple fact of the matter is the vast majority of people don't want it.

And those numbers are now starting to become more than painfully evident. Two and one half million people can now reportedly get the service. And a whopping 100,000 took it.
And that INCLUDES their own corporate backyard and all the employees they've probably shoved this down their throats too.

Think about it. If their goal is to pass 18 million homes..at that rate they'll wind up with 700,000 customers nationwide for this new next generation disaster of theirs.

I had hopes that their new CEO might have a brain in his head when it comes to this writing on the wall, but I guess not.

Docsis 3.0 is coming. FIOS is here.
What the hell is AT&T Uverse in the face of all that?

Plan the funeral now folks. Order the casket..and the flowers.

This funerals going to be a doozy.
--
The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!


tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
Reviews:
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS

Re: Such An Idea?

said by Rick:

I really don't understand your point. Everyone, whether it's cable, fios or uverse..is delivering their service via a single line and so they're all prone to having that go out.

Out of the three though, I think that AT&T clearly and without doubt has the most risk with their reliance on their last mile old copper network.

It served them well for a long time when it was just landlines we were talking about, but even with DSL..it's limitations became clear. I'm simply at a loss as to how they now want to deliver hdtv..hsi and voice all in one via it.

And, I think the mere fact they're even trying to do so shows their desperation to be anything at all in this game at this point.
The problem with that is I just think the simple fact of the matter is the vast majority of people don't want it.

And those numbers are now starting to become more than painfully evident. Two and one half million people can now reportedly get the service. And a whopping 100,000 took it.
And that INCLUDES their own corporate backyard and all the employees they've probably shoved this down their throats too.

Think about it. If their goal is to pass 18 million homes..at that rate they'll wind up with 700,000 customers nationwide for this new next generation disaster of theirs.

I had hopes that their new CEO might have a brain in his head when it comes to this writing on the wall, but I guess not.

Docsis 3.0 is coming. FIOS is here.
What the hell is AT&T Uverse in the face of all that?

Plan the funeral now folks. Order the casket..and the flowers.

This funerals going to be a doozy.
Uverse is a poorly planned delivery system, this is why Bell Atlantic (core of Verizon) vaporized the idea in 1996-2000, instead laying the central office fiber under ground where possible.. in the northeast. Sooner or later DSL must be extricated and removed from the last mile and central offices.. no one will want to buy it as it will be so obsolete and fiber so dirt cheap by that time.

The ONLY thing working to AT&T's advantage so far is the majority of cable companies in AT&T's footprint are taking few, if any competitive steps (price or otherwise), giving AT&T flexibility: call it breathing room or rope to hang itself on a network that is at least 50% obsolete by the time it's fully deployed. By that time, should AT&T decide to bring down prices,, whamo.. DOCSIS 3.0 or cheaply upgraded 2.0 systems operate at peak efficiency forcing further upgrades to fiber at higher cost. Of course these competitive steps won't happen for 4-7 years..

AT&T will learn Bell Atlantic's lesson the hard way that DSL's time has past, after they pour a moderate fortune into the technology. This analogy works: pouring money into DSL is as close as you can get to rebuilding an engine/transmission to a 20 year old Japanese car (ie. Nissan). You can also bet half of this money comes from Bell South revenues.


cwh

join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX

The only problem with your theory is you have to assume that fttn has no upgrade path. You have to assume dsl does not get faster and more than likely it will. You have to assume they wont deploy more fiber where needed. You have to assume that fiber will be more expensive in the future, which verizon is showing the cost of deploying fiber is going down, not up.

The was a recent quote from the cox ceo saying the threat from telco tv is real from both verizon and ATT.


ncbill
Premium
join:2007-01-23
Winston Salem, NC
Reviews:
·AT&T Southeast

reply to Rick

Re: Am I The Only One Frightened By Such An Idea?

You must be joking.

Cable fails when the wind blows here.

Probably because most cable networks are strung cheaply (aerial), instead of underground (phone).

I suspect the same is true for most of the U.S.

Sure, cable is usually cheaper for the same broadband speed.

But you can't expect the same uptime/reliability with cable as you can with phone company's dialtone/DSL.

vinnie97
Premium
join:2003-12-05
US
kudos:1

It all depends on location. TWC has afforded at most 2 service dropouts in the 6 months I've had it, and they lasted for no longer than 5 minutes.

Due to miserable line conditions, I had to keep getting my previous DSL connection trained down to avoid dropouts.


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