pokesph
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Welcome to the United States of no more freedoms..
Seems we, the citizens of the USA, are letting greedy mega-corps, deep-pocket special interests, and the power-hungry politicians remove all of the basic freedoms we struggled so hard and so long for.
This MADNESS is becoming worse then any dictatorship-ran, soviet-styled oppressed country.. makes me sad to be an american. (Note: no capital "a" used on purpose)
it is indeed a sad day..
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openbox9
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| said by pokesph  :Seems we, the citizens of the USA, are letting greedy mega-corps, deep-pocket special interests, and the power-hungry politicians remove all of the basic freedoms we struggled so hard and so long for. You mean the basic freedom of illegally obtaining and distributing content without consent? If you truly feel too oppressed here in America, there are numerous other countries around the world that will more than welcome you with open arms so that they can really show you what oppression is like. |
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madrhino
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Sad "DAY" my ass.Nobody stood up in 2000 when this started with the bogus election and now we are suffering the result of our own fat,lazy,lard ass way of life.We deserve to die as a country for letting Bush do this to us.Nobody got off their ass .We killed our parents USA.Pure and simple.
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openbox9
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Are you seriously blaming the president for a website's choice to stop searches originating from the US? How exactly is it his fault again? Maybe you should blame all of the braggarts around places like this discussing how they are screwing "the man" (a.k.a. **AAs, megacorps, and their hated ISPs) by torrenting anything they can get their hands on. BTW, newsgroups will probably be next, so get ready. |
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hobgoblin
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said by pokesph :Seems we, the citizens of the USA, are letting greedy mega-corps, deep-pocket special interests, and the power-hungry politicians remove all of the basic freedoms we struggled so hard and so long for. I agree. Lets get rid of all evil corporations that build things and provide services and lets go to being a share everything society.
I will be over to borrow your car and Girlfriend after work.
Hob
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openbox9
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| said by hobgoblin :I will be over to borrow your car and Girlfriend after work. That makes Communism sound good  |
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Stick to Facts
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said by hobgoblin :I agree. Lets get rid of all evil corporations that build things and provide services and lets go to being a share everything society. Yeah, then small business can taken over and things will be much better off... You can stick you head in the sand about the negative things corporations have done that outweigh the "good" they have done, but that doesn't change the facts.
I will be over to borrow your car and Girlfriend after work. You can buy a boyfriends/girlfriends from a corporation ? Interesting. Is that where you got yours ? May you should post some links to that company so some of the people on this site can get one too. |
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ScrewBarter
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How about simple Non-Valuation
I have an idea.
Since this is pretty much all about money-hungry (and power-hungry, to an extent that they make more money) mega-corporations, let's just remove money.
Actually, let's not just stop there, since everyone will just start bartering if there is no more money. Let's take it a step further and remove valuation.
Now, you're thinking "valuation is a word in the English language; what the hell do you mean remove it?"
What I mean is this. It is the case currently that not just movies and MP3s and any digital works have a perceived value, but that everything in society does have this perceived value as well; things like labor, pencils, thumb tacks, food and water, your computer, even think tanks, just to same a very select few. It is also the case currently that we as a society assign a monetary value to these things, and that we expect to be recompensated with the appropriate monetary value when we part with any of these things. It is exactly how well we do this job of extracting a high monetary value from things from which we part (like labor, or selling things on eBay) which determines whether we are rich or poor monetarily.
I believe this process is wholly unnecessary, and detrimental, at that, to the potential which we collectively have as people.
What we could do is to agree that the value of any one thing is not defined monetarily, but for that item's fitness for its current intended purpose. Ergo, labor would have a high value for, say, building bridges or destroying dams; and pencils would not have a very high value for their use as food or water, although they may have a higher value for their use as thumb tacks, and a value higher still for their use as a writing implement. We would agree, however, that these things did not have a monetary value, nor a value for the purposes of bartering or exchanging, but simply were valued for their adeptness for use in a particular task.
As as result of this manner of thinking, no one would be required to pay money for something like a pencil or an MP3 file, but would be supplied with it given the need for its current use. Because we as a society can produce enough stuff at least several hundred times over for everyone to make use of, there will be no longer an incentive (money) to hoard or to limit supply of things like bandwidth or food or water or houses or movies or whatever to those who need and who lack any particular item.
The way to implement this methodology (aside from having sheer numbers of people practicing it all the time) is through education, communication, and transportation. First everyone must know about non-valuation and agree that non-valuation is probably a much better alternative that class strata and money and greed and power. Everyone must understand that because we all do produce something whether it be labor or art or thought to a think tank (or carbon dioxide and feces for that matter), that we are all entitled to reap the benefits of a coordinated producing society in a manner consistent with the preservation of the society (read: no blowing up the planet and killing everyone). Next, we must communicate our local needs to the world at large, and then transport the items and needs to whichever locales are requesting them.
This could be the best use for capitalism, and the purest form of it at that, reducing capitalism to simple supply and demand and including all externalities.
At least it would get the **AA off our backs.
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Re: USA Trackers, sites, and more..
said by pokesph :Welcome to the United States of no more freedoms.. Seems we, the citizens of the USA, are letting greedy mega-corps, deep-pocket special interests, and the power-hungry politicians remove all of the basic freedoms we struggled so hard and so long for. This MADNESS is becoming worse then any dictatorship-ran, soviet-styled oppressed country.. makes me sad to be an american. (Note: no capital "a" used on purpose) it is indeed a sad day.. Guys, I do believe he was fakeposting. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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Re: How about simple Non-Valuation
said by ScrewBarter :The way to implement this methodology (aside from having sheer numbers of people practicing it all the time) is through education, communication, and transportation. First everyone must know about non-valuation and agree that non-valuation is probably a much better alternative that class strata and money and greed and power. Everyone must understand that because we all do produce something whether it be labor or art or thought to a think tank (or carbon dioxide and feces for that matter), that we are all entitled to reap the benefits of a coordinated producing society in a manner consistent with the preservation of the society (read: no blowing up the planet and killing everyone). Next, we must communicate our local needs to the world at large, and then transport the items and needs to whichever locales are requesting them. Where's the motivation to innovate and make something better? If I can just get whatever I need without cost, why should I bother to produce anything but CO2 and feces? Your theory is exactly why communism and socialism to a certain extent fail.said by ScrewBarter :At least it would get the **AA off our backs. I'm not worried since they aren't on my back. |
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pog
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Admittedly, I'm just reacting on the spot to something you've long thought about...
The main problem I have your "simple" concept is that you don't really explain who makes the decisions. With money, it's already decided... if I have $5, I can spend it on anything I want/need worth up to $5. With your system, I have to ask for something and then wait for approval... based on someone else's ideas about what I need.
Sounds horribly depressing.
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hobgoblin
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Re: USA Trackers, sites, and more..
"You can buy a boyfriends/girlfriends from a corporation ? Interesting. Is that where you got yours ? May you should post some links to that company so some of the people on this site can get one too."
No we are sharing everything now. It does not matter whether its yours and you invested time and effort into creating a relationship or saving for a purchase. Its mine to take and share as I want.
Hob
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dentman42
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said by hobgoblin :said by pokesph :Seems we, the citizens of the USA, are letting greedy mega-corps, deep-pocket special interests, and the power-hungry politicians remove all of the basic freedoms we struggled so hard and so long for. I agree. Lets get rid of all evil corporations that build things and provide services and lets go to being a share everything society. I will be over to borrow your car and Girlfriend after work. Hob If you can make a copy of my car and GF without causing any wear to them or causing me to lose the "use" of them, be my guest. (Then again, you might prefer an extremely lossy copy of both. ) |
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dentman42
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said by Stick to Facts :said by hobgoblin :I agree. Lets get rid of all evil corporations that build things and provide services and lets go to being a share everything society. Yeah, then small business can taken over and things will be much better off... You can stick you head in the sand about the negative things corporations have done that outweigh the "good" they have done, but that doesn't change the facts. I will be over to borrow your car and Girlfriend after work. You can buy a boyfriends/girlfriends from a corporation ? Interesting. Is that where you got yours ? May you should post some links to that company so some of the people on this site can get one too. WARNING - DEFINITELY NSFW - Not even the landing page!
»www.realdoll.com/
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NateCohen
join:2005-10-10
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Are you kidding me? You made me waste my time by logging on and everything so I can comment on this stupid comment. You sir are very stupid. |
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