Re: Not so fast... in Belkin http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19141321 en Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:14:51 EDT Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:14:51 EDT Re: Baby Steps... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19150915 jsimmons : Good deal! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19150915 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:28:39 EDT Baby Steps... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19150726 Geo4 : Okay! I turned off the DHCP on the Belkin and saved that configuration. I then rebooted my wireless computer and, Voila! An automatic connection through the Belkins WPA security and then a hand off to the Internet via the Dlink 4100. Oh yeah.

Next step is to reaccess the Belkin via a hard connection and reset the base addy of the Belkin to one within the subnet (gotta love these new terms ;)) of the DGL 4100.

George

Stay tuned for Part II]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19150726 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:54:37 EDT Re: AP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19148544 jsimmons : You are right. Don't use the AP Enable Page at all.

Set local lan and subnet addresses as you said. Disable DHCP. And Don't use the WAN port. Be sure that the IP address you assign to the belkin does not overlap with addresses used by the DGL's DHCP server serving your LAN. I sometimes pick the last address (like 192.168.0.254) for my wireless access point.

Basically this leaves the Belkin unit in "router" mode but with no DHCP service running. But since you aren't connecting anything to the WAN port, you aren't using any of the routing functionality. You're just using it as a wireless bridge and LAN switch. :)

Let us know how it goes.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19148544 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:37:58 EDT Re: AP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19148519 Geo4 :
So just set your Belkin IP address, subnet mask, etc., disable the DHCP server, and connect everything to LAN ports only.
Alrighty then. if my Dlink base address is 192.168.0.1, subnet mask 255.255.255, do i set the Belkin to 192.168.0.2 , SNM 255.255.255 at the LAN Settins page or the AP enable page. I would have to think youre talking about the LAN settings page.

Theoretically, if this works i would then access the web management for the Belkin at the new addy of 192.168.0.2.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19148519 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:33:30 EDT Re: AP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19148426 jsimmons :
said by Geo4 See Profile :

If all i have to do is disable the DHCP server on the Belkin in order to get an automatic handoff to the DGL 4100 then I'm down with that. Is that what youre suggesting?
Precisely. Basically all the AP mode in Belkin really is - is disabling the DHCP server, changing the WAN port into a LAN port, turning off the routing function between WAN and LAN ports, and setting the WAN port to a local LAN ip address. This works flawlesly in the V1 8230-4, but apparently doesn't work in the V2. So you have to work around it.

So just set your Belkin IP address, subnet mask, etc., disable the DHCP server, and connect everything to LAN ports only. Do not use the WAN port for anything. Note this is precisely what you have to do in other routers like Linksys, because they typically do not have an "AP only" setting in the firmware.

You still might have an issue with the Belkin not liking the LAN IP address you want to give it. Just need to try that out. You may still wind up having to change the local subnetting in the DGL to something Belkin likes (e.g. 192.168.2.x).
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19148426 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:16:22 EDT AP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19148325 Geo4 : Roger that.

Unfortunately I cant GET the Belkin to run in its true AP mode. I have a bastard end around version of AP mode running by patching directly via the LAN ports between the two units. The problem is, as you aptly point out, the Belkin grabs an IP request and wont pass it on to the DLink unless I reboot the Belkin.

I guess the thing is that the firmware of the Belkin should disable the DHCP server when one enables the AP only option. Unfortunately the Belkin (at least V2) seem to have an issue with this and/or accepting alternate subnet addressing.

If all i have to do is disable the DHCP server on the Belkin in order to get an automatic handoff to the DGL 4100 then I'm down with that. Is that what youre suggesting?

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19148325 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:02:36 EDT Re: Current Configuration http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19147500 jsimmons : You should not use the Belkin as a DHCP server when running in AP mode, because in AP mode, the unit is strictly a wireless bridge to the LAN subnet shared by it an the DGL. If both the DGL and Belkin has a DHCP server on, then you would have 2 DHCP servers operating on the same LAN segment... a no no.

Think of the Belkin running in Access point mode as nothing but a passive 4-port wired LAN switch with additional "wireless ports" extending that switch. It adds authentication / encryption to the wireless ports, but beyond that it is truly a passive device. The only reason you need to assign it a compatible IP address on your LAN is so you can manage it through its web interface.

After a Wireless device connects and authenticates to the AP, it essentially becomes another ethernet attached device just like a wired PC connected to a LAN port. It will send out a DHCP request to get an IP address, and that request will be passed on by the Belkin AP to the LAN port and sent to the DGL which should assign all the right IP info for the wireless device to communicate on the local LAN and internet.

Hope this helps.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19147500 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:05:33 EDT Current Configuration http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19147024 Geo4 : Robb & Dave,

I discovered the LAN port quirk on my own. Currently I have the Belkin running with DHCP on. THe Belkin is connected to the DLG 4100 via CAT 6 from one of its LAN ports to the one on the 4100. It works quite well until I reboot my wireless computer or lose connection to the Belkin.

At the point of reconnection it seems as if the Belkin's DHCP "grabs" the wireless connection and makes it "one of its own" and will not pass the connection on to the DGL 4100. I have to reboot the Belkin from its admin page at which point it passes on the connection to the DGL 4100. I'm thinking of turning off the DHCP server on the Belkin and seeing what happens.

But heres something I havent seen discussed...

I note on the "LAN Settings" page of the Belkin it identifies itself as "192.168.2.1" with what appears to be the option of changing that subnet IP address(is that the right term?) to anything I want. Why couldnt I just change the Belkins base address on the LAN settings page to 192.168.0.2 as Robb suggested and turn off the DHCP server so it doesnt assign IP addresses?

It would then theoretically not "grab" a new connection and because its in the subnet of the DGL 4100 (192.168.0.x) and I should just pass through the DLink to the internet.

Of course theoretically the damned firmware should just let me assign an AP address and I wouldnt be dorking about with this mess! lol!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19147024 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:07:17 EDT Re: Hmmm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19145638 mozerd :
said by Geo4 See Profile :

Unfortunately I gave up a Version 1 for a Version 2 under a warranty exchange. I'm unsure which V2 firmware I have in it.
On the version 2 and some versions of the firmware of the F5D8230-4 you lose the ability to use the WAN port when the unit is converted to act strictly as a Access Point ... so what you have to do is use anyone of the F5D8230-4 LAN ports to connect the gear to the DLink to have it work properly.
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The V2's are the ones that have been problematic with the AP assignment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19142810 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:42:32 EDT Re: Hmmm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19142544 jsimmons :
said by Geo4 See Profile :

Based on some older threads I'm seeing on the 8230-4 it apparently rejects any manually configured IP address outside of its own 192.168.2.X that is plugged into the AP Enable page.
Hmmmm. Now that you mention it Belkin firmware may NOT work correctly if you chose a local IP address for it that is not in an acceptable subnet. I have an 8230-4 (v1002) configured as AP using 192.168.1.2 and it works fine. Firmware version is 1.01.04

I was able to successfully change my 8230-4 IP to 192.168.0.2 and access it just fine after changing my PC IP to 192.168.0.200.

Which version of the hardware do you have?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19142544 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:53:08 EDT Re: Hmmm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19142358 Geo4 : Robb, Yes sorry for the confusion the 192.168.0.2 address was what i was trying to put in the Belkin as its AP IP address.

I understand the potential for conflict with the laptop IP and the need for it to be in the neighborhood as well. I was underthe impression that if I had the laptop plugged into the Dlink after I had made the conversion (and the DLINK had DHCP'd the laptop with a compatible "neighborhood address") I should be able to talk to the Belkin in admin mode by "browzing" 192.168.0.2.

Based on some older threads I'm seeing on the 8230-4 it apparently rejects any manually configured IP address outside of its own 192.168.2.X that is plugged into the AP Enable page.

I suspect the Belkin is very particular about how it wants to be put into the AP mode with addy's outside its own. I wonder if disabling the Belkin DHCP server from admin mode might help. I'm going to need an Excedrin soon :D ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19142358 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:17:56 EDT Re: Hmmm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19141624 funchords :
said by Geo4 See Profile :

When I enable the Belkin to go in AP mode and use the 192.168.0.2 address as the new IP for my DLink LAN the Belkin just Bombs.
192.168.0.2 is to be the new IP for the Belkin's LAN port. The D-Link's LAN port is 192.168.0.1.

said by Geo4 See Profile :

It does not respond to anything even when its disconnected from the DLINK and I'm hooked up to it directly via a laptop.
I expect that once you put the Belkin into AP mode, that its internal DHCP server has shut down. This is because the D-Link is providing the Gateway to the Internet.

To configure the Belkin, your laptop must -- at a minimum -- have an IP address in the range of 192.168.0.xxx and a netmask of 255.255.255.0. If your laptop does not obtain one through DHCP, and you need to configure the Belkin, then you should manually configure the laptop. A step-by-step procedure is located in Windows Help -- simply search for the terms static addressing. Good values to use for static addressing:

IP Address: 192.168.0.90
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.0.1
DNS Server: 4.2.2.1
DNS Server: 4.2.2.2

Once your configuration task is complete, you probably will want to return the laptop to automatic addressing.
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»[Help Me] Setting up Belkin Pre-N as an AP on DGL-4100]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19141451 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:47:51 EDT Hmmm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19141376 Geo4 : Sorry..I'm behind on the learing curve here. My DLink 4100 router uses 192.168.0.x values, my pc hooks up fine, i tried simply to substitute the 192.168.0.2 value that was suggested above in the Belkin as an IP substitute for the default wireless AP IP that Belkin uses and it wont take.

IPCONFIG shows 0.0.0.0.0 in all of its lines.

I know mozerd posted a very specific response on how to set the AP on a Belkin (not sure if that will work) but I cant find it again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19141376 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:37:50 EDT Re: Not so fast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19141321 jsimmons : If you change the belkin ADDY to something that is incompatible with your PC's current address (like shanging the subnet number, etc), you will lose connectivity as soon as you commit the change on the belkin. You must then change your PC's IP address to regain connectivity.
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"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." - Albert Einstein ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19141321 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:30:07 EDT Not so fast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19138118 Geo4 : :)

Belkin bombs

When I enable the Belkin to go in AP mode and use the 192.168.0.2 address as the new IP for my DLink LAN the Belkin just Bombs. It does not respond to anything even when its disconnected from the DLINK and I'm hooked up to it directly via a laptop.

I end up having to do a hard reset on the Belking to get the Belkins default IP addy back. It seems so simple yet its getting quite cranky.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19138118 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:39:31 EDT Re: [Help] Setting up Belkin F5D8230-4 AP with DGL-4100 Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19105294 Geo4 : Mozerd,

Thank you for doing the crossreference link for me.

Moderator please feel free to reorganize/delete if needed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19105294 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:32:21 EDT Re: [Help] Setting up Belkin F5D8230-4 AP with DGL-4100 Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19101016 mozerd : The correct answer was provided in the following link

»Re: [Help Me] Setting up Belkin Pre-N as an AP on DGL-4100
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Specifically how to set the Belkin in AP Mode to a (static?) IP that is within the range of IP addresses admin'd by the DLink DHCP server but does not conflict (or use up)one of the DHCP addresses admin'd by the router. I have read one should set the address of the Belkin outside the range of addy's so as to not create conflicts with the DHCP servers administration of new IP's to new computers joining the LAN. I'm a bit confused by this.

The Dlink admins addresses between 192.168.0.100 and 192.168.0.199.

The Belkin's "(default)AP IP address [for the F5D8230-4/AP is] 192.168.2.254 and subnet mask is 255.255.255.0."(Mozerd Belkin FAQ)

The base IP addresses are obviously different so I would need to change the Belkin's AP IP to an address within the 192.168."0".xxx range to match the DLink 4100...Correct?

So how do I set the Belkin's IP address to so as to avoid conflict with the DLinks DHCP server addresses of 100 to 199 and still stay within the "neighborhood" of the 4100's administration.. do I use one of the auto assigned IP's?

I think one can reserve an IP address (based on the MAC addy of the Belkin) within the range of the DLink IP's but I also thought there was a way to keep all the IP's available for the DHCP server and still have the DLINK recognize the Belkin...

If we could start with the simplest answer first that would be great...

Meanwhile I'm going back to Mozerd's FAQ on this topic..

TIA
Geo

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