 RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | Sorry but.. I just don't get it. And, now matter how I shake out the numbers, simply cannot come up with DSL being any kind of a deal versus Cable HSI.
Let's look at the numbers with..and without a landline..and compare it to comcasts standard tier.
Comcast 6Mb/384k connection with powerboost that takes me up to 20Mb/1600k...42.95 month
DSL..1.5Mb with landline..35.00~40.00 per month + tax?
Certainly is no deal there.
Ok.so now in certain parts they take away the landline.
24.00 month for 1.5Mb service.
Granted.it's a step in the right direction...but you are still REALLY paying for a whole lot less bandwidth.
And, the difference amount to..are you sitting down?
A whopping 61 pennies per day difference between a 20Mb powerboost enabled connection..and some 1.5 Mb line that is 1/15th those speeds.
FOLKS..DSL IS NOT A BARGAIN..No matter how you look at it.
You are simply buying a whole helluva lot less speeds for not that much less money per month.
Have you ever looked at it THIS way?
Take a look..
1.5Mb x 15 = 22.5Mb
24.00 x 15 = 360.00 PER MONTH!!
That is what an equivalent DSL line..AT THE SAME SPEEDS would cost you compared to what you get with comcast and other cable ISP's for about 43.00.
DSL IS HUGELY overpriced when you look at it in these kinds of terms.
And, the telco's are fooling a whole lot of people.
Listen...I KNOW the arguments about the slowsky family who wants to sit around and just email their relatives and surf a few pages. And well..OK..i'll agree with you SOMEWHAT that MAYBE this is ok for them.
But SURELY not with a landline.
Why the he** pay the same price when you can get so much more for the same price?
If they can get this for 23.99 dry..then..Ok.
But still..if they get into video or whatever..as everyone is going to be if they're not now..
why the heck not pay the extra 60cents and do this right?
I mean..we're talking about 1/2 a hamburger price at mc'ds for gods sake.
If 60 cents is too much for so much more then heck..just online bill pay a bill and save the postage.
That will balance it all out.
I'm not opposed at all to verizon and their fios pricing.
At least we're talking comparable numbers and speeds.
But this whole uverse..dsl thing..it's just way overpriced compared to most cable hsi plans.
And people should be aware of that.
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mjwise
join:2007-05-09
Ann Arbor, MI | Rick, you're not comparing apples to apples. The $42.95 price is only with a cable subscription. I have zero interest in cable TV and a "dry" cable modem is $57.95 per month to start with Comcast here, closer to $62-63 if you have to rent a modem. DSL is a better deal. (There is no availability of anything less than about $50 cable where I live - no $8 locals only package or anything that some areas have.) DSL is a better deal for me. |
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bennorPremium
join:2006-07-22
New Haven, CT | reply to Rick
Rick for some of us DSL IS a bargain. My current Comcast bill is over $100, that only includes one digital box with the HBO and Cinemax movie packages. If I added HSI on top of that the bill would be over $150 a month. And to top it off, Comcast has been raising their prices $3+ every year on the cable tv side.
I am paying $24.99 for the 3.0 pro DSL. Last year I was paying $19.99 for that speed, but AT&T upped the rates this year.  Since I've had the 3.0 pro DSL I've never paid more than $29 for it. Some of us care more about money than speed.
For some people, if they want to spend lots of money for a faster/bigger "e-penis"  (broadband speed or computer speed), by all means have at it. But some of us couldn't really care about our "e-penis's" and spend our money on more important things. |
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I hate to burst your bubble but DSL is faster than Cable Internet. The fact that cable has the "capacity" to download at a faster speed is meaningless in the real world when one rarely encounters a server which is uploading faster than 1.5 Mb.
Cable latency is notoriously slow in comparison with DSL thus then entire Cable experience is slow in comparison.
It is analogous to flying a 300 passenger Cable 757 with only 2 passengers on board from New York to La at an average speed of 500 mph
vs
flying the same 2 passengers at 800 mph in a fighter jet from New York to La.
Which do you think will arrive first?
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RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | reply to bennor
You might want to call Comcast. The last I talked to them, they offered me a deal for that TV package you have PLUS HSI..for 129.00 a month...and that included digital phone as well.
That certainly works out to a better value than what you're paying now, for much slower speeds.
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RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | reply to mjwise
agreed that if someone doesn't want or have cable tv..it's certainly going to be more.
But, still a real value if speed is what you're after.
DSL is no bargain in that regard.
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 en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | quote:
But, still a real value if speed is what you're after.
I've never disagreed on that.
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en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to Rick
quote:
That certainly works out to a better value than what you're paying now, for much slower speeds.
For the speed... yes. Many don't care, and don't use +6Mbps.
Those that want it will pay for it.
Those that want cheapest overall service (many do) will search for it.
1.5Mbps DRY DSL for $24
VoIP for $25
DTV (3 sets + 180 channels) $55 + tax
Total = $104
For the overall $ / month paid out, not really.
If speed was the only thing I cared about, I'd probably be using cable.
However, I like DirecTv (Comcast had poor quality here when I tried it out, TimeWarner had its issues in Los Angeles, and my co-worker has HD issues all the time).
Here's the bottom line:
I'd pick HSI, DirecTv and Vonage and AT&T Wireless as a combo. Nobody offers that combo.
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bennorPremium
join:2006-07-22
New Haven, CT
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Rick that $129.00 price is ONLY for a year and ONLY for new customers. After the year they up the price to $179 a month. About a year ago I called on a billing issue and explored the options and stayed with DSL because it was cheaper when adding up the numbers ($).
And as for speed, so what if its slower? Speed isn't everything, again it's an e-penis thing (yours is faster than mine, so what).
Heck I bought a car that probably can't hit a 120 mph if it was stripped and dropped from the stratosphere. Does that mean I should ONLY buy a car that CAN do a 120 mph (or more) and costs twice as much as the car I currently have?
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How do you figure that cable latency is notoriously slow in comparison with DSL? Latency and Pings are dependant to how the the data is routed; to and from location. Not by if its an HFC to Fiber network or Copper to Fiber Network.
And don't play the DSL is dedicated speed either. Only because its only dedicated between the EU and the DSLAM. Once that DSLAM's bandwidth is over subscribed just like a NODE it will be just as slow as Cable. Maybe even slower since Cable. Cable can split nodes faster than ILECs installing new DSLAMS and OC-92s in the CO to the 'net. |
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en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to bennor
Exactly... what good is a Ferrari on the Los Angeles 405 freeway vs. a Chevy during rush hour ?
They both still get you there.
One costs less overall.
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en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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AT&T latency typically sucks, as they typically use interleave vs. fastpath. DSL-Extreme prefers fastpath :D
Go onto the Uverse forum or utalk.att.com and check it out.
Home> wan adsl chan data
near-end interleaved channel bit rate: 0 kbps
near-end fast channel bit rate: 1984 kbps
far-end interleaved channel bit rate: 0 kbps
far-end fast channel bit rate: 512 kbps
$ tracert www.yahoo.com
Tracing route to www.yahoo-ht3.akadns.net [209.131.36.158]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.254.11
2 44 ms 11 ms 10 ms netblock-68-183-52-1.dslextreme.com [68.183.52.1]
3 10 ms 10 ms 11 ms LAX1.CR1.Gig6-0-10.dslextreme.com [66.51.203.17]
4 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms netblock-66-51-198-182.dslextreme.com [66.51.198.182]
5 34 ms 20 ms 20 ms PAT2.SJC.yahoo.com [206.223.116.16]
6 22 ms 54 ms 21 ms g-0-0-0-p161.msr1.sp1.yahoo.com [216.115.107.59]
7 22 ms 22 ms 22 ms te-9-1.bas-a1.sp1.yahoo.com [209.131.32.23]
8 21 ms 21 ms 49 ms f1.www.vip.sp1.yahoo.com [209.131.36.158]
Trace complete.
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ace1974
join:2007-06-09
Goldsboro, NC | reply to bennor
said by bennor:Rick for some of us DSL IS a bargain. My current Comcast bill is over $100, that only includes one digital box with the HBO and Cinemax movie packages. If I added HSI on top of that the bill would be over $150 a month. And to top it off, Comcast has been raising their prices $3+ every year on the cable tv side. I am paying $24.99 for the 3.0 pro DSL. Last year I was paying $19.99 for that speed, but AT&T upped the rates this year. Since I've had the 3.0 pro DSL I've never paid more than $29 for it. Some of us care more about money than speed. For some people, if they want to spend lots of money for a faster/bigger "e-penis" (broadband speed or computer speed), by all means have at it. But some of us couldn't really care about our "e-penis's" and spend our money on more important things. Im glad you pointed that out. This is what I've been saying all along about cable. I remember when I was doing cable we use to have these stupid sales trainings. In one of the training sessions I asked the guy the same question customers were asking me on a daily basis,,,,Why is this cable ant internet so expensive. His response was "Oh it's because we value our product" I looked at him and said we can value the product until were blue in the face but the question is does the customer value the product where their going to spend that kind of money?? The answer is no..He just stood there with a stupid look on his face..
Like I stated in previous posts, people don't care about 20mb powerboost but they do care about price and value of a product. I mean to actually look at some of the pricing just to rent a dvr from the cable company is just plain rediculous. And coming from someone from the inside that done it for years I can tell you cable companies are ripping people off so much its not even funny.. I've seen many many times where I took old refurbished modems to install inside a customers house and they sold them to the customer as a new modem when the modem should have been scrapped.. |
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RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | reply to en102
said by en102: quote:
But, still a real value if speed is what you're after.
I've never disagreed on that. ok then. Now that i've got you cornered on that statement 
Let's look at it closely. If you were to take DSL in any flavor you'd like..768k..1.5Mb..3.0Mb..whatever..and add THAT cost to a required landline..you are virtually right at the cost of a cable HSI connection. Or, perhaps even more.
That comes to you courtesy of the dsl cost..landline cost..and..outrageous taxes associated with a landline service.
For someone who has and wants cable tv service anyway..IMHO..it is an absolute no brainer where both the value..and savings is.
Why on earth would anyone want to be dragging along at those speeds..when 6M~20Mb is available for the same price?
If AT&T drops the landline requirement..even I can agree the market for DSL becomes somewhat more attractive.
Not in terms of speeds..nor even value..but strictly for the cost conscious gotta have the lowest price they can get crowd who really do nothing more than check email and surf.
I STILL think that even 24.00 is a lot for 1.5Mb in comparison to cable..but let's use that number for the sake of arguing.
What we are talking about here is a difference of 19.00 per month between the two services.
19.00 a month..is 61 pennies per day.
Count em..61.
How many of those can you find in your:
a)seat of your car
b)ashtray
c)curb at the side of the road
And, what does 61 pennies per day buy people..in real life these days?
1/2 of one mc'ds hamburger.
less than 1/2 a bottle of soda
2 cigarettes
maybe enough energy to power this post i'm making
It's..nothing. Or..as close to being irrelevant as humanly possible I think.
How long does it take a 10.00 per hour worker to make that much money? 3 1/2 minutes..if my math is correct.
Per day. 3 1/2 minutes.
Let me ask you this...seriously.
Isn't up to 18Mb faster speeds ..worth..THAT?
Isn't DSL..no matter how you shake it out..VASTLY overpriced..when you consider...THAT?
Here's another question for you.
If you go into a store..and they're selling a little can of coffee for 4.00.
And a HUGE can..for 60cents more..
wouldn't you be kinda foolish to buy the little can?
Ok..so, they'll both give you your caffeine fix..but the bigger one will give you a LOT more of that..for just a very little money more.
I have to tell you..I've seen and sat at a LOT of connections..dsl and cable alike..and all I can say is my Comcast connection ROCKS.
It's so damn fast I swear I need goggles to download things at times.
It's just night and day and worlds away different from the lower dsl tiers.
And, I guess if I have a mission here at BBR..it's to tell folks about that. Because I'm all about trying to help them..as I have been over the years. And to me..help comes in various forms. In helping to save money..AND to deliver real value for their buck.
Ya know..I DON'T work for Comcast. I don't get paid to do this..and have this opinion. That point has been made many times..and is proven over the years of my posting here from RR forum..to adelphia..to comcast.
I'm probably their biggest asset though because what I am..is a TRUE believer in their service and product.
And, I don't see it as expensive. I see it as a real value that many more folks should consider signing on to who are tugging along at slow dsl speeds these days.
And, that doesn't mean just Comcast..it means Cox..and TW and others.
The real value is in cable HSI.
Which brings me to my final point.
Uverse.
AT&T must ditch it. They have to.
AT&T..FTTH..is the only answer to real competition.
Docsis 3.0 is coming and it's going to kick the telco's Asses in. At least those who aren't preparing.
Verizon..to their VAST credit..is doing just that.
AT&T..are you listening?
You ARE..running out of time.
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said by Rick:FOLKS..DSL IS NOT A BARGAIN..No matter how you look at it. Tell that to this person!
»[Prequal] I Would like to switch from Comcast to AT&T DSL....
said by Rick:DSL IS HUGELY overpriced when you look at it in these kinds of terms. And, the telco's are fooling a whole lot of people. Overpriced? and fooling people? apparently not according to that post. Apparently that poster is tired of comcast fooling them!
»[Prequal] I Would like to switch from Comcast to AT&T DSL....
check a mirror lately? is that egg on your face I see?
said by Rick:Listen...I KNOW the arguments about the slowsky family who wants to sit around and just email their relatives and surf a few pages. And well..OK..i'll agree with you SOMEWHAT that MAYBE this is ok for them. But SURELY not with a landline. Why the he** pay the same price when you can get so much more for the same price? Have you thought maybe comcast isn't giving them nothing more? plus what about that invisi-cap? when are we as a broadband community going to find out what the true cap is? Cmon rick, surely your employer can tell us this by now!!
said by Rick:And people should be aware of that. »[Prequal] I Would like to switch from Comcast to AT&T DSL....
You are right, this person was, and apparently comcast wasn't a bargain. Wanna go make him aware how comcast is better? Then again maybe the direct guys can give you a clue as to why he posted? or why don't you ask him why he is looking at getting off comcast?
Go rick go!! solve his problems, make him comcastic!!
By the way while you are at it, explain to him how "powerboost" works, cause apparently at&t is faster for some unknown reason.
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