Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19152828 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:55:02 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:55:02 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19340143 stevephl : To: Zachary1,

Ever the clever one aren't we?

To whom are you referring in your post in reference to "Dr. Laura apologist"? I searched back through the posts and was unable to find any references to Dr. Laura I know I never made mention of her, I do not listen to her nor do I take advice from her. Once again we have an individual who is seemingly unable to debate the issues in an adult manner. I might be on opposite sides of the fence from you on this issue but I have not lowered myself to name calling. If you do not like what I said say so and why in an adult manner. I can only conclude you are a teenager lacking knowledge and an understanding of the issues please try and do some research prior to posting such clever informative and enlightening post. Thank you and have a great day]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19340143 Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:02:36 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19340105 stevephl : To: nipseyrussel

I have refrained from calling people on this forum names, while I might disagree with a particular viewpoint I at no time resorted to name calling such as you have. As adults (I might be making a large leap of fate here) we should be able to debate and discuss the issues without trying to denigrate each other. If you feel that I am posting off topic the simple and expedient thing to do is just move on and skip those posts. Thank you for your cooperation. Oh and if you wish to debate the issues first learn what the issues are, do some research, name calling is the first hint you lack knowledge about the subject matter.

Thank you

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19340105 Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:56:29 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19339832 zachary1 : This douchebag is a Dr. Laura apologist.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19339832 Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:08:15 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19163465 xsiddalx :
said by Placebo See Profile :

Seriously? Are you really feigning outrage here?

So what if it's legal. That doesn't mean that everyone feels it's morally acceptable.

Are you telling me that Verizon should be forced to give ANY organization access to its network?
Absolutely. Should they ban me from calling you if I know you just because I am calling from a t-mobile or us cellular cell phone? a land line? a voip provider?

In either case, for bulk text messaging, rules are already laid out:

Express Prior Authorization

Under the FCC’s rules, commercial e-mail messages may only be sent to your wireless device via the Internet if you have provided your “express prior authorization.” Commercial e-mail senders may request that you provide this authorization orally or in writing (e-mail or letter). They must tell you the name of the entity that will be sending the messages and, if different, the name of the entity advertising products or services. All commercial e-mail messages sent to you after you’ve given your authorization must allow you to revoke your authorization, or “opt out” of receiving future messages. You must be allowed to opt out the same way you “opted in,” including by dialing a short code. Senders have 10 days to honor requests to opt out.

FWIW

»www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/canspam.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19163465 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:42:05 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19161766 Ahrenl : Ohhhh, snap! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19161766 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:35:38 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19161740 Ahrenl : When your business is built on and assets reside on public property (wireline or frequency) then you're subject to the will of the public. For that subjection you get the exclusive right to use the public's asset in a for-profit venture. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19161740 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:30:52 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19157917 KrK :
said by Placebo See Profile :

For NARAL to send the messages, it requires Verizon to provide access to thier network.
Maybe Verizon should monitor all phone calls. That way if NARAL calls a volunteer on the phone they could block the call. Is this what you suggest?
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said by stevephl See Profile :

Actually while I oppose abortion I do agree that Verizon is probably coming down on the wrong side of this very contentious issue.
and, this is what makes you a douchbag: the on-topic reply is that you disagree with what verizon did, instead we got 4 off topic replies about baby killing first
nice]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19156540 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:09:24 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19156382 huntml : Yes, common carrier -- I expect them to provide opt-in access to their network, for their customers, for any legal content.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19156382 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:42:06 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19155559 SylphFi :
quote:
Instead, BUY service from somewhere else and force the market to change.


That would be just fine, if not for the fact that many, more likely most, people have been yoked into a 2-year contract, and would face stiff penalties for switching carriers. Walmart, on the other hand, does not post guards at the door demanding $200 before they will let you leave the store.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19155559 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:20:24 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19155347 PhoenixDown : Lumber Jack:

Our country may have been built on Captialism but it was founded on the notion of freedom and liberty for all.

In regards to your example, if I didn't like the censored version sold by Walmart, i could go to a thousand different stores and buy it elsewhere (Target, K-Mart, Sam Goodies, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Best Buy, buy.com, etc) -- however we have very few telecommunications companies. They wanted to merge and grow in size, then they have to need to be fair and uphold thier end of their agreement to thier customers which is to provide an unfettered service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19155347 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:45:55 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154668 Lumberjack : Um, what?

I'm all for our Constitution and agree that our country's population is starting to loose sight of what the country was founded on. One thing people forget and this is probably the worst, as this country was built on Capitalism and the means to gain rewards for hard work and being proud of that. What does this have to do with Verizon filtering service? Well, for starters it's their network, not the peoples network. They paid for it, they built it and they maintain it. So long as they abid by their policy to their customers, they can do whatever they want with their own property whether physical or intellectual as long as it doesn't break any laws.

This is no different than Walmart offering censored only versions of music or choosing not to sell certain types of music.

Please make sure that as a Constitution loving citizen of the US you don't forget that Capitalism drives our country's companies and work ethics. Lets not try to force companies to act like socialist entities of the government because we don't like something. Instead, BUY service from somewhere else and force the market to change.

This is probably not more than a soap box rant but jez, people here so often forget that net neutrality battles will be one with the paying customer's decisions. If at the end of the day you don't like something don't pay for it, suggest an alternative and wait for the company that sees the light to offer the service you want. The worst thing that can happen is any kind of government control, they always fail... the only thing it's been somewhat good at for the last 200 plus years is enforcing our constitutional rights, and I'm ok with that.
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"Professor Wu pointed to a historical analogy. In the 19th century, he said, Western Union, the telegraph company, engaged in discrimination, based on the political views of people who sought to send telegrams. “One of the eventual reactions was the common carrier rule,” Professor Wu said, which required telegraph and then phone companies to accept communications from all speakers on all topics."

This is the exact same issue, except now the text is on a cell phone screen instead of a piece of paper.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154388 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:20:40 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154384 P Ness :
said by stevephl See Profile :

P Ness,

Not an opinion but fact. Whatever your own views you cannot refute facts. Murder is murder this has nothing to do with Verizons stance, that is a separate issue. This is also not a religious issue, abortion is akin to me taking one of my kids out back and killing them, same end result don't you agree? Rock N' Roll does not kill people ;)

Thanks and enjoy your day and be thankful your parents are not killers
no its your opinion that life starts out in the womb vs actual birth or at a particular month.

"abortion is akin to me taking one of my kids out back and killing them"

depends on the month of development. the first month NO, the last month Yes.

where this line starts or ends is MY OPINION and not fact, show me FACT on when life begins and ends...at this point there is point and counterpoint on dates from conception to popping out of the womb.

P.S. my mother could not be a killer it was illegal back when i was born...but then again if you are big religious nut then you would know that my soul would just either end up in another body or back up in heaven...since it would have been impossible to have sinned inside of the womb...so would it really be that horrible to go to heaven since its so wonderful right????

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said by stevephl See Profile :

This is murder of a child pure and simple, who will stand up for the rights of the children? We expend more effort to save the whales and Owls then we do to save our own children, no wonder we have so many disturbed kids running amok.
There are better ways of accomplishing birth control then killing a child.
Stevephl -

Are you willing to work as hard for an "Adopt the fetus in the womb" law as you are to ban Abortion? So long as you classify abortion as Murder (no matter what the woman thinks) but are unwilling to prevent it by assuming Legal Responsibility for the fetus being born by adopting it and paying the woman's medical expenses until then, I think that this is the stance of a hypocrite.

Note: This is not an expression of my views on Abortion but only on the behavior of those who want to ban it (or classify it as murder) but who are unwilling to accept responsibility for the results of their actions/views. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154243 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:59:32 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154204 PhoenixDown : StevePL -

I'm glad you are taking a proactive stance regarding the proper education of our children but there are still ALOT of people out there who do not feel that way and compromises need to be made by all sides if the issue of abortion is to be satisfactorily addressed.

Getting back to the topic: If customers are opting in to receive text messages, then the actual subject of the message is irrelevant. Abortion (regardless of ones feelings) is LEGAL as defined by the Supreme Court. It is up to the law makers to change that legal standing and not the telecommunications to make the decide on the behalf of any party.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154204 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:53:26 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154176 stevephl : Actually while I oppose abortion I do agree that Verizon is probably coming down on the wrong side of this very contentious issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154176 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:49:20 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154154 stevephl : ReneM,
Please cite the relevant portions of the Constitution that make killing of kids legal? The part about "Life and the pursuit of happiness" part would seem to indicate to me that these children you want to so readily off are being denied their Constitutional rights.

My take the Rove V. Wade debacle will be over turned and abortions once again banned. After all its for the "Children"

So your assertion that this is what separates us from the likes of North Korea, Iran Iraq (Irak?) and so forth is based on our government sanctioning the killing of children? Do I have that right? Hmm isn't that what the regimes of the countries you mention do as a normal part of doing business? Wow maybe we are closer to those countries in terms of our actions and deeds then what we thought, who would have thought?
Thanks for educating me on this very important issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154154 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:47:23 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154118 TheWickerMan : While I agree with your opinion on abortion, I still have a problem with Verizon blocking messages like that. While I despise NARAL, it and other organizations have every right to send out messages to the people who have requested them. If they were sending out spam, that would be one thing, but it looks like this one was strictly opt-in.

One of the first posts for this article called this a "dangerous precedent", and I have to agree. While you may not care if messages from NARAL get blocked, it's only a matter of time before they start blocking something you do care about.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154118 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:42:32 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154084 stevephl : I am not opposed to teaching kids at the proper age about birth control and in fact I advocate parents do so as soon as they are mature enough to understand and grasp the facts, being up front and honest with children about sex and birth control is not corrupting children and I am not a hyprocrite, I do not tell my children one thing all the while doing the opposite. We do need to be up front and truthful with our children. Denying children information about birth control as well as protection from STD's is wrong kids are going to learn about sex and engage in sex even if we hide our heads in the sand. I am pro-children but education is the key.
thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154084 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:35:26 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154060 stevephl : P Ness,

Not an opinion but fact. Whatever your own views you cannot refute facts. Murder is murder this has nothing to do with Verizons stance, that is a separate issue. This is also not a religious issue, abortion is akin to me taking one of my kids out back and killing them, same end result don't you agree? Rock N' Roll does not kill people ;)

Thanks and enjoy your day and be thankful your parents are not killers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19154060 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:30:22 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153561 matrix3D : Agreed. I'm amazed at how many people forget that little thing called "the Bill of Rights" and think that their own personal 15th-century opinion is law.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153561 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:09:18 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153512 PhoenixDown :
quote:
Interestingly enough those who call themselves pro-choice actually are not, they only advocate the killing of babies they offer no alternatives of which many are available.


Everytime we try to teach kids about birth control and safe s-x, the prolifers come in and say that we are corrupting the children.

People spend an enormous amount of energy and resources arguing over abortion when it is simply the result of a larger issue which continues to be ignored by most Americans.

You want to end abortion? Then its time for society to step up and redefine how it will approach relationships and s-x.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153512 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:58:22 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153454 sporkme :
said by Placebo See Profile :

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I'd argue that I'm not "clueless".
I'd argue that your brain fell out of your right ear.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153454 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:50:36 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153451 P Ness :
said by stevephl See Profile :

This is murder of a child pure and simple, who will stand up for the rights of the children? We expend more effort to save the whales and Owls then we do to save our own children, no wonder we have so many disturbed kids running amok.
There are better ways of accomplishing birth control then killing a child.
Interestingly enough those who call themselves pro-choice actually are not, they only advocate the killing of babies they offer no alternatives of which many are available. Another point lost on most people these days, the original pro-abortion (pro-murder) position came from planned parenthood, which the founders in particular Margaret Sanger, advocated abortion as a means towards reducing the number of babies from minorities, in effect Sanger pushed her abortion agenda in the inner cities, areas inhabited by minorities, this in of its self should be enough to cause people to raise in arms, ridding this country of this very contentious and morally reprehensible organization
your Opinion... not that of everyone that uses verizon.

sorry go preach elsewhere because if it was opinion based then we would prob not even have rock and roll right now.
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said by Placebo See Profile :

Are you telling me that Verizon should be forced to give ANY organization access to its network?
With the customer's permission, of course. That's what you pay them for.

What universe are you from? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153447 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:49:35 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153400 ReneM : Mute point! Abortion is legal in the US and protected by the constitution and as long as the supreme court doesn't overturn RvW you have to live with it. I know, the constitution, the Bill of Rights, it's a b!tch, but that's what separates us from Irak, Iran, Myanmar, North Korea and so forth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153400 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:42:25 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153250 Placebo : For NARAL to send the messages, it requires Verizon to provide access to thier network. Verizon chooses not to provide access. Would you expect Verizon to provide access to ANY organization?

I'd argue that I'm not "clueless". Dish Network offers local HD channels throughout the country--I'm pretty sure they offer over 100 channels throughout the country. I can't get all 100. Is my analogy so off base?
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There are better ways of accomplishing birth control then killing a child.
Interestingly enough those who call themselves pro-choice actually are not, they only advocate the killing of babies they offer no alternatives of which many are available. Another point lost on most people these days, the original pro-abortion (pro-murder) position came from planned parenthood, which the founders in particular Margaret Sanger, advocated abortion as a means towards reducing the number of babies from minorities, in effect Sanger pushed her abortion agenda in the inner cities, areas inhabited by minorities, this in of its self should be enough to cause people to raise in arms, ridding this country of this very contentious and morally reprehensible organization]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153218 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:09:50 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153177 ropeguru :
said by Placebo See Profile :

I want 200 HD channels from Dish Network. In fact, I'm paying them over $100 per month. Give me what I want!!!!

See, doesn't that sound a little ridiculous? It doesn't matter if you are the one "opting in". What matters is the fact that Verizon doesn't want to provide access to their network to NARAL.
Dude, you are clueless... You are using an analogy for something that Dish doesn't even offer.

Debating with people like you is useless because you will constantly use information that has no bearing on what is being discussed.
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This is similar to Walmart not selling products (cds/dvds) that they do not find "fitting" of their image. Spend your money somewhere else, if you can.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153176 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:02:35 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153169 Placebo : I want 200 HD channels from Dish Network. In fact, I'm paying them over $100 per month. Give me what I want!!!!

See, doesn't that sound a little ridiculous? It doesn't matter if you are the one "opting in". What matters is the fact that Verizon doesn't want to provide access to their network to NARAL.
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Whether its abortion, p0rn, warez, George W. Bush, Hillary Clinton, etc.
If VZW or any carrier decides for me that I shouldn't receive a message that I expect to see, then there is an issue.
What happens if I set up my travel plans with American Airlines (worst airlines out there), to SMS me my flight schedule changes, and Verizon decides to block them.
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said by Placebo See Profile :

Seriously? Are you really feigning outrage here?

So what if it's legal. That doesn't mean that everyone feels it's morally acceptable.

Are you telling me that Verizon should be forced to give ANY organization access to its network?
as long as its legal what would be the harm since I am requesting the information, its not spam that was sent.

besides this might not be how the majority of verizon users feel, but the 10 man board of directors, or the 3 man policy board, ect...

i feel the Catholic church is an evil orginization that is corupted to its core, from years of killing, wars and molestation of children. so if i was the one making the decisions on the filtering on verizon then would you then have NO problem with anything from them being filtered, how about i kick them off and not allow ANY call traffic that originates from a church or catholic orginization.

start to see the problem here yet?
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said by Placebo See Profile :

Seriously? Are you really feigning outrage here?

So what if it's legal. That doesn't mean that everyone feels it's morally acceptable.

Are you telling me that Verizon should be forced to give ANY organization access to its network?
Uhh, yeah. What is the next step, Verizon Wireless won't let you accept calls from an organization it doesn't agree with? No difference between that and an SMS that you sign up for.
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said by Placebo See Profile :

So what if it's legal. That doesn't mean that everyone feels it's morally acceptable.
Verizon just wants to avoid a slippery slope here. If they give any political or ideological organization a platform, then they will eventually have to give them all a platform. Today it would be NARAL, tomorrow it might be NAMBLA, the next day it might be the Westboro Baptist Church ...
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said by Placebo See Profile :

Seriously? Are you really feigning outrage here?

So what if it's legal. That doesn't mean that everyone feels it's morally acceptable.

Are you telling me that Verizon should be forced to give ANY organization access to its network?
If the people that pay for service from Verizon opt-in to receive the SMS messages, then yes, they should be forced to allow such messages. I PAY Verizon to receive the content that I want. They should have no say so, unless illegal, in what content is delivered to my phone.

THis is along the lines as to you paying for cable tv service and the cable company blocking programs on any of the channels that they deem as something you shouldn't watch.
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FWD#: 223611]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19153030 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:32:59 EDT Re: controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19152975 PhoenixDown : I believe in the constitution and the principles upon which this country was founded. I believe in freedom of speech and as a world leader, I think we are civilized enough to 'agree to disagree' on the topics we may personally feel is against our moral standpoint. Education, not suppression, is the way.
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So what if it's legal. That doesn't mean that everyone feels it's morally acceptable.

Are you telling me that Verizon should be forced to give ANY organization access to its network?
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said by P Ness See Profile :

freaking this is a legal normal surgical procedure.

its only controversial to people who want to ban it, not to the peopl who would have recieved the messages.

freaking insane.
I completely agree. Since it is strictly an opt-in situation, then they should not be blocking anything. Now if the organization starts sending people these SMS messages when they did not opt-in, then Verizon should be able to step in and cut them off.

THis is just the first step in moving away from network neutrality and providers starting to censor what they think should be because they don't get anything from it.
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FWD#: 223611]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19152828 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:55:15 EDT controversial or unsavory-- how about LEGAL / NORMAL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19152806 P Ness : freaking this is a legal normal surgical procedure.

its only controversial to people who want to ban it, not to the peopl who would have recieved the messages.

freaking insane.
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www.stopfcc.com I do not think the government needs to restrict free speech especially on a device that has an off knob.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19152806 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:51:33 EDT