RangerTX
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Los Angeles, CA
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Re: They will lose customers soon
said by TK Junk Mail  :said by RangerTX :Qwest will soon learn that they will lose customers if they do anything beyond "notifying" customers of possible problem. Not only is that privacy concern, that isp is watching what users are sending but also bad pr when you trap users till they fix the computer to your standard I see you support anarchy instead of common sense. If i pay for service, i want to get that service. ISP are entering dangerous water when they start "monitoring" what their users are doing. Unless Qwest are the only ones in the market, people will jsut tell them goodbye and switch to other providers. Most people will not care why they can't surf the net, all they will care is that they can't surf the net. If that to happen they will not pay for service that they can't use |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | reply to RangerTX
You'r both right.....
it sets bad precedent, however most people don't want to get smartsearch just because they inadvertently click on a link!
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said by RangerTX :If i pay for service, i want to get that service. What service did you pay for? Did you pay for bot net member service so your computer(s) can be permitted to maliciously attack other peoples computer(s)?
I pay for using driving on the roads, but I still have to obey the laws of the road. It is not an anything goes free for all. |
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said by S_engineer :You'r both right..... No they're not both right. 'Worldvision' is dead wrong. PERIOD! |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK | reply to RangerTX
They don't have to monitor anything. The infected machine is transmitting and making itself obvious as a radio beacon.
You don't have to monitor your users. You need to just pick up their signals when they are blasting your network. |
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ydoucare
join:2003-03-12
Rensselaer, IN
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said by RangerTX :said by TK Junk Mail :said by RangerTX :Qwest will soon learn that they will lose customers if they do anything beyond "notifying" customers of possible problem. Not only is that privacy concern, that isp is watching what users are sending but also bad pr when you trap users till they fix the computer to your standard I see you support anarchy instead of common sense. If i pay for service, i want to get that service. ISP are entering dangerous water when they start "monitoring" what their users are doing. Unless Qwest are the only ones in the market, people will jsut tell them goodbye and switch to other providers. Most people will not care why they can't surf the net, all they will care is that they can't surf the net. If that to happen they will not pay for service that they can't use So, because you pay for the service, it's ok for your infected computer to waste their bandwidth for malicious purposes? If you keep your system clean, like you should, you shouldn't have any problems. So what's the big deal? |
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RangerTX
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join:2006-05-17
Los Angeles, CA
| said by ydoucare :So, because you pay for the service, it's ok for your infected computer to waste their bandwidth for malicious purposes? If you keep your system clean, like you should, you shouldn't have any problems. So what's the big deal? Isp violating my privacy but seeing what is coming out of my computer. Most ips do not monitor virusses, spywares. So what do u think most people will do? That is right switch to another isp and continue on surfing the net |
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N O Y B
St. John 3.16
join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR
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| Every web site you visit sees what comes out of your computer. And many routers along the way. If ISP sets up a few "dummy" systems that log access and your system accesses them, either by bot or by you. It is not a violation of your privacy. Get a clue or shut up and stop fear mongering about something you obviously know nothing. |
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October 3rd, @12:20PM
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said by RangerTX :If i pay for service, i want to get that service. ... Unless Qwest are the only ones in the market, people will jsut tell them goodbye and switch to other providers. Most people will not care why they can't surf the net, all they will care is that they can't surf the net. If that to happen they will not pay for service that they can't use Good move to the competitor's service. Just another bot no longer on the Qwest network, making the Qwest service that much better. It will serve to further isolate the bot net infected machines at a few don't care ISPs, making it that much easier to block them (just block the entire ISP). Also the bot net machines can then all have at attacking each other unimpeded. When word gets around that ISP xyz is full of bots and they don't care no one will want their service. |
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Jafo232
You Can't Spell Democrat Without Rat.
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said by RangerTX :Isp violating my privacy but seeing what is coming out of my computer. Most ips do not monitor virusses, spywares. So what do u think most people will do? That is right switch to another isp and continue on surfing the net I hate to tell you this, but your every move is logged by your ISP, in fact, I believe regulation demands it.
Your information is already there. Chances are, your TOS with your ISP allows this.
98% of those on the Net have no idea how to safely run their PC without it getting infected, and out of those, 99% would never know about the infection unless told.
I'm sorry, but if your walking around in public with puss filled sores, delirious, with your skin turning pink, covered with a rash, I think the public has a right to quarantine you for smallpox.. No difference with electronic infections..
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RangerTX
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| said by Jafo232 :said by RangerTX :Isp violating my privacy but seeing what is coming out of my computer. Most ips do not monitor virusses, spywares. So what do u think most people will do? That is right switch to another isp and continue on surfing the net I hate to tell you this, but your every move is logged by your ISP, in fact, I believe regulation demands it. Your information is already there. Chances are, your TOS with your ISP allows this. 98% of those on the Net have no idea how to safely run their PC without it getting infected, and out of those, 99% would never know about the infection unless told. I'm sorry, but if your walking around in public with puss filled sores, delirious, with your skin turning pink, covered with a rash, I think the public has a right to quarantine you for smallpox.. No difference with electronic infections.. You must be living outside us as i don't know of any regulation that requires ips to collect data on you. My isp is not collecting data, they have specifically stated that in the forum after at&t said they will |
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N O Y B
St. John 3.16
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Forest Grove, OR
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| said by RangerTX :My isp is not collecting data, they have specifically stated that in the forum after at&t said they will Your ISP lied. You better go switch to another.
Hey a technician was just running a network sniffer in the data center at your ISP while troubleshooting packet storm caused by a few thousand bots, and guess what, she captured some packets of that porn site you just visited.
You probably should go switch to a different ISP right now so this does not happen again. |
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Jafo232
You Can't Spell Democrat Without Rat.
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said by RangerTX :You must be living outside us as i don't know of any regulation that requires ips to collect data on you. My isp is not collecting data, they have specifically stated that in the forum after at&t said they will Inside the US.. See this:
»www.news.com/My-brief-career-as-···267.html
»www.news.com/Your-ISP-as-Net-wat···649.html
Besides, ALL ISP's use logging just to protect themselves legally, and to protect their network. Seriously, if you don't understand that, you haven't a clue.
And your ISP's AUP clearly states:
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Using the Services for any activity which adversely affects the ability of other people or systems to use DSLExtreme’s services or the Internet. This includes "denial of service" (DoS) attacks against another network host or individual user. Interference with or disruption of other network users, network services or network equipment is prohibited. It is the customer’s responsibility to ensure that their network is configured in a secure manner. A customer may not, through action or inaction, allow others to use their network for illegal or inappropriate actions. A customer may not permit their network, through action or inaction, to be configured in such a way that gives a third party the capability to use their network in an illegal or inappropriate manner.
»www.dslextreme.com/aup.php
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ydoucare
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October 3rd, @03:02PM
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said by RangerTX :said by ydoucare :So, because you pay for the service, it's ok for your infected computer to waste their bandwidth for malicious purposes? If you keep your system clean, like you should, you shouldn't have any problems. So what's the big deal? Isp violating my privacy but seeing what is coming out of my computer. Most ips do not monitor virusses, spywares. So what do u think most people will do? That is right switch to another isp and continue on surfing the net lol, they're not sitting there in cubicles personally monitoring your traffic. This would obviously be an automated system that would only pick up malicious traffic, which is the entire purpose of the thing. I have to laugh at people who think everyone is out to get them. Seriously, think about it for 5 minutes.
Personally, i'd rather be with an ISP that is at least taking a proactive approach at keeping their network clean, while also helping educate the person harboring the infected machine. |
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