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St. John 3.16
join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Comcast
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October 2nd, @07:36PM
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A few points for those of you who think this requires monitoring what the customer is doing.
1) Stop Being a SPAMer, or at least SPAMer friendly
2) Stop talking until you know what you’re talking about. It just amounts to fear mongering.
3) This does not require monitoring of customer activity.
Did you know if your vehicle does not meet certain safety requirements it is illegal to drive it on the roads? And if you do and get in an accident you can be held liable and negligent. Should be same for computers. If your computer is creating a “safety hazard” for others it should not be permitted on the information highway (internet).
Did you know it is illegal to ATTEMPT to burglarize or rob people. That is exactly what many of these bot net controlled systems are doing.
Did you know if you know of such illegal actions and you do nothing you may be an accomplice. ISP have ability to detect and wall off these bots with very low overhead (can easily be automated). And since they know they exist, and in fairly significant quantities, not doing so amounts to being an accomplice to an attempted crime.
If they (ISP) knowingly permit use of their private network for illegal activity and do not take reasonable action to prohibit such activity they can and should be held liable as an accomplice (it is their private network under their direct control and responsibility).
It is very easy to detect these infected systems, and without infringing on the privacy of customers. Just look at your own NAT/Router/Gateway log. You can see and detect them very easily. All an ISP has to do is set up a few “dummy” systems to log such attempted accesses and use an algorithm to weed out the ordinary inadvertent access attempts from the bots.
I am sure there are even more effective means, but this is just to illustrate the point that 'spying' on the customer is not required. Those such arguments are probably put forth by SPAMers and/or BOT NET operators engaging in fear mongering to protect their illegal operations.
I for one would like to see the rest of the ISP's follow suite. Especially the big cable and telecom operators. You know who you are Comcast and Verizon. How about it, can you match the challenge?
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Unreasonable
join:2007-10-15
Portland, OR
 ·Integra Telecom
·Comcast
| My only reservation is that these are the same people who when I called in to advise them that a workman with a trencher had severed their cable, advised me to reboot my pc.
Simply put, I deeply mistrust the technical abilities of any isp, and I don't want my service impacted because some junior tech somewhere thinks that he knows normal activity from my network better than I do.
It's a good idea in theory, but I suspect that it will fail miserably due to poor execution. | |
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