Re: They will lose customers soon in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19186209 en Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:15:54 EDT Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:15:54 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19190393 ydoucare :
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said by ydoucare See Profile :

So, because you pay for the service, it's ok for your infected computer to waste their bandwidth for malicious purposes? If you keep your system clean, like you should, you shouldn't have any problems. So what's the big deal?
Isp violating my privacy but seeing what is coming out of my computer. Most ips do not monitor virusses, spywares. So what do u think most people will do? That is right switch to another isp and continue on surfing the net
lol, they're not sitting there in cubicles personally monitoring your traffic. This would obviously be an automated system that would only pick up malicious traffic, which is the entire purpose of the thing. I have to laugh at people who think everyone is out to get them. Seriously, think about it for 5 minutes.

Personally, i'd rather be with an ISP that is at least taking a proactive approach at keeping their network clean, while also helping educate the person harboring the infected machine. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19190393 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:55:25 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19190012 Jafo232 :
said by 81399672 See Profile :

You must be living outside us as i don't know of any regulation that requires ips to collect data on you. My isp is not collecting data, they have specifically stated that in the forum after at&t said they will
Inside the US.. See this:

»www.news.com/My-brief-career-as-···267.html

»www.news.com/Your-ISP-as-Net-wat···649.html

Besides, ALL ISP's use logging just to protect themselves legally, and to protect their network. Seriously, if you don't understand that, you haven't a clue.

And your ISP's AUP clearly states:

quote:
Using the Services for any activity which adversely affects the ability of other people or systems to use DSLExtreme’s services or the Internet. This includes "denial of service" (DoS) attacks against another network host or individual user. Interference with or disruption of other network users, network services or network equipment is prohibited. It is the customer’s responsibility to ensure that their network is configured in a secure manner. A customer may not, through action or inaction, allow others to use their network for illegal or inappropriate actions. A customer may not permit their network, through action or inaction, to be configured in such a way that gives a third party the capability to use their network in an illegal or inappropriate manner.


»www.dslextreme.com/aup.php
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said by 81399672 See Profile :

My isp is not collecting data, they have specifically stated that in the forum after at&t said they will
Your ISP lied. You better go switch to another.

Hey a technician was just running a network sniffer in the data center at your ISP while troubleshooting packet storm caused by a few thousand bots, and guess what, she captured some packets of that porn site you just visited.

You probably should go switch to a different ISP right now so this does not happen again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19189889 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:35:24 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19189785 itguy05 :
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I see you support anarchy instead of common sense.
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Common sense would to not use Windows. If you have platform x which is a cesspool for this junk and platforms y and z that are almost immune to it, you'd be a fool to stay on platform x.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19189785 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:18:47 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19189768 81399672 :
said by Jafo232 See Profile :

said by 81399672 See Profile :

Isp violating my privacy but seeing what is coming out of my computer. Most ips do not monitor virusses, spywares. So what do u think most people will do? That is right switch to another isp and continue on surfing the net
I hate to tell you this, but your every move is logged by your ISP, in fact, I believe regulation demands it.

Your information is already there. Chances are, your TOS with your ISP allows this.

98% of those on the Net have no idea how to safely run their PC without it getting infected, and out of those, 99% would never know about the infection unless told.

I'm sorry, but if your walking around in public with puss filled sores, delirious, with your skin turning pink, covered with a rash, I think the public has a right to quarantine you for smallpox.. No difference with electronic infections..
You must be living outside us as i don't know of any regulation that requires ips to collect data on you. My isp is not collecting data, they have specifically stated that in the forum after at&t said they will]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19189768 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:16:18 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19189702 Jafo232 :
said by 81399672 See Profile :

Isp violating my privacy but seeing what is coming out of my computer. Most ips do not monitor virusses, spywares. So what do u think most people will do? That is right switch to another isp and continue on surfing the net
I hate to tell you this, but your every move is logged by your ISP, in fact, I believe regulation demands it.

Your information is already there. Chances are, your TOS with your ISP allows this.

98% of those on the Net have no idea how to safely run their PC without it getting infected, and out of those, 99% would never know about the infection unless told.

I'm sorry, but if your walking around in public with puss filled sores, delirious, with your skin turning pink, covered with a rash, I think the public has a right to quarantine you for smallpox.. No difference with electronic infections..
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said by 81399672 See Profile :

If i pay for service, i want to get that service. ... Unless Qwest are the only ones in the market, people will jsut tell them goodbye and switch to other providers. Most people will not care why they can't surf the net, all they will care is that they can't surf the net. If that to happen they will not pay for service that they can't use
Good move to the competitor's service. Just another bot no longer on the Qwest network, making the Qwest service that much better. It will serve to further isolate the bot net infected machines at a few don't care ISPs, making it that much easier to block them (just block the entire ISP). Also the bot net machines can then all have at attacking each other unimpeded. When word gets around that ISP xyz is full of bots and they don't care no one will want their service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19189361 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:17:13 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19187422 N O Y B : Every web site you visit sees what comes out of your computer. And many routers along the way. If ISP sets up a few "dummy" systems that log access and your system accesses them, either by bot or by you. It is not a violation of your privacy. Get a clue or shut up and stop fear mongering about something you obviously know nothing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19187422 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:48:18 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19186664 81399672 :
said by ydoucare See Profile :

So, because you pay for the service, it's ok for your infected computer to waste their bandwidth for malicious purposes? If you keep your system clean, like you should, you shouldn't have any problems. So what's the big deal?
Isp violating my privacy but seeing what is coming out of my computer. Most ips do not monitor virusses, spywares. So what do u think most people will do? That is right switch to another isp and continue on surfing the net]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19186664 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:21:50 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19186648 ydoucare :
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by 81399672 See Profile :

Qwest will soon learn that they will lose customers if they do anything beyond "notifying" customers of possible problem. Not only is that privacy concern, that isp is watching what users are sending but also bad pr when you trap users till they fix the computer to your standard
I see you support anarchy instead of common sense.
If i pay for service, i want to get that service. ISP are entering dangerous water when they start "monitoring" what their users are doing. Unless Qwest are the only ones in the market, people will jsut tell them goodbye and switch to other providers. Most people will not care why they can't surf the net, all they will care is that they can't surf the net. If that to happen they will not pay for service that they can't use
So, because you pay for the service, it's ok for your infected computer to waste their bandwidth for malicious purposes? If you keep your system clean, like you should, you shouldn't have any problems. So what's the big deal?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19186648 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:18:32 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19186209 KrK : They don't have to monitor anything. The infected machine is transmitting and making itself obvious as a radio beacon.

You don't have to monitor your users. You need to just pick up their signals when they are blasting your network.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19186209 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:03:07 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19186193 KrK : Personally, if I had some noob on my network spewing spam, viruses, and scanning for vulnerabilities, I'd want them to fix it.... and if they didn't... well, See ya.... wouldn't wanna be ya.

Won't fix it? Well then, too bad.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19186193 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:01:29 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19185043 anon : I guess if your house is on fire I should not tell you!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19185043 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:57:49 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19185677 N O Y B :
said by gaforces See Profile :

It's not a privacy concern to monitor for traffic that degrades the network, or for otherwise illegal and harmful acvtivity. Isolating the problems should be sop for a network admin.
Id think it would be good publicity to see an isp that takes care of its network and customers. Offering education and help in the form of tech support is a good thing.

Its rediculous to consider that they would get bad pr for having a standard that doesnt allow worm infected pcs to send spam, ddos networks, and other worse things.

Qwest is setting a good example of what ISPs should be doing to help the botnet problem.
Ditto that to the Nth degree.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19185677 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:48:36 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19185653 N O Y B :
said by S_engineer See Profile :

You'r both right.....
No they're not both right. 'Worldvision' is dead wrong. PERIOD!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19185653 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:45:12 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19185641 N O Y B :
said by 81399672 See Profile :

If i pay for service, i want to get that service.
What service did you pay for? Did you pay for bot net member service so your computer(s) can be permitted to maliciously attack other peoples computer(s)?

I pay for using driving on the roads, but I still have to obey the laws of the road. It is not an anything goes free for all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19185641 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:43:51 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19185141 gaforces :
said by 81399672 See Profile :

Qwest will soon learn that they will lose customers if they do anything beyond "notifying" customers of possible problem. Not only is that privacy concern, that isp is watching what users are sending but also bad pr when you trap users till they fix the computer to your standard
It's not a privacy concern to monitor for traffic that degrades the network, or for otherwise illegal and harmful acvtivity. Isolating the problems should be sop for a network admin.
Id think it would be good publicity to see an isp that takes care of its network and customers. Offering education and help in the form of tech support is a good thing.

Its rediculous to consider that they would get bad pr for having a standard that doesnt allow worm infected pcs to send spam, ddos networks, and other worse things.

Qwest is setting a good example of what ISPs should be doing to help the botnet problem.
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it sets bad precedent, however most people don't want to get smartsearch just because they inadvertently click on a link!
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by 81399672 See Profile :

Qwest will soon learn that they will lose customers if they do anything beyond "notifying" customers of possible problem. Not only is that privacy concern, that isp is watching what users are sending but also bad pr when you trap users till they fix the computer to your standard
I see you support anarchy instead of common sense.
If i pay for service, i want to get that service. ISP are entering dangerous water when they start "monitoring" what their users are doing. Unless Qwest are the only ones in the market, people will jsut tell them goodbye and switch to other providers. Most people will not care why they can't surf the net, all they will care is that they can't surf the net. If that to happen they will not pay for service that they can't use]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19184867 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:24:46 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19184831 braynes : We can hope.
Bruce]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19184831 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:19:45 EDT Re: They will lose customers soon http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19184701 TKJunkMail :
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Qwest will soon learn that they will lose customers if they do anything beyond "notifying" customers of possible problem. Not only is that privacy concern, that isp is watching what users are sending but also bad pr when you trap users till they fix the computer to your standard
I see you support anarchy instead of common sense.
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