ph03n1x
join:2003-02-15
Sanford, FL
| reply to BF69
Re: U.S. economy loses $58 billion from piracy every year.
Yeah right laws against child molestation. What a fucking joke those laws have been made into lately. People that do that should be put down like rabid dogs, but these days we have people in jail for longer for copying DVDs or possessing a little bit of weed. Child rapists are constantly being let out of jail early or given light sentences. Disgusting. |
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yabos
join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON
| reply to BF69
Yeah it's illegal and I won't argue about whether it should be or not but it'd really dumb they would throw someone in jail for such a small amount when the person isn't hurting anything. If they have 10lbs in their trunk then throw the book at them but when the person isn't hurting anyone except perhaps themselves it's not a good thing to throw someone in jail for that.
I don't live in the States but I do watch Cops and they arrest people for things like that. They say "oh it's not a big deal but we're arresting you.." |
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datreic
join:2007-03-03
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I would like to contribute to this post.
Please read:
»www.informationweek.com/news/sho···01801704
»arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···813.html
$58 billion is likely a gross exaggeration. |
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sporkme
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
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said by elios  : and only i download House becouse i work nights so i miss it when its on and i want to watch it HD and my PCs monitor is much better then my TV So who's the bigger criminal? You for "illegally" downloading free tv (and likely fast forwarding commercials) or me for using Tivo to save it and watch it later (and likely fast forwarding commercials)?
On paper, I'm legal and you're not. In principle, we're doing the exact same thing (skipping commericals). |
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ieolus
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Duluth, GA | reply to BF69
Small businesses create the jobs that provide Americans with the money they need to live. Big businesses just fuck that up.
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ieolus
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join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | reply to TKJunkMail
Isn't that how trickle down theory works? |
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jester121
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Lake Zurich, IL | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Full study can be found at links included below
Still too long. |
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ross
join:2000-08-16
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Re: U.S. economy loses $58 billion from piracy every year.
OUTSTANDING summary of the imaginary vs actual impact of file sharing. Thank you for posting! |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by ross :OUTSTANDING summary of the imaginary vs actual impact of file sharing. Thank you for posting! The NEW study being discussed here isn't just MUSIC ONLY like the studies you quote. It also includes movies, books, etc.
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24 | reply to TScheisskopf
I'd vote for it, lets do it. |
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
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NBC is still available over the air. You could get it that way. (that's what I do... and big criminal that I am, I skip the commercials. And I've got an automatic thing set up so when Hiro or Claire flogs a car, it replaces what they say with "Porsche". BWAHAHAHAHA) |
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24
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And I have a M.A. in basic reading comprehension. When someone prefaces their statements with "one would assume" that means that they are making an assumption and stating an opinion. And my M.A. in 3rd grade vocab words would tell me that opinion means that it cannot be backed up by fact because it is a personally held belief. |
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jp10558
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join:2005-06-24
Willseyville, NY
| reply to BF69
Even if people are quite poor, especially if people do not have gobs of discretionary income, they will spend or invest their money they do not spend on a particular product. Unless you think very poor or very cheap people just stuff cash in their mattress?
If they do not, there are basically 2 things you *can* do with money. Spend it or Invest it (A savings account is still money invested in the economy - banks can use it as a basis to lend money to people who are spending it).
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vzw emp
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Move to Denver. If the cops find an ounce or less it's legal. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to dodgetech2
if piracy is so bad then why did NBC pull their content from the most popular source of legal downloaded content(iTunes).
and downloading TV shows isnt really much different then watching it on your Tivo, both ways you dont see the ads.
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ross
join:2000-08-16
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said by TKJunkMail :The NEW study being discussed here isn't just MUSIC ONLY like the studies you quote. It also includes movies, books, etc. From ArsTechnica:
"Study: P2P effect on legal music sales "not statistically distinguishable from zero"
By Ken Fisher | Published: February 12, 2007 - 08:49AM CT
A new study in the Journal of Political Economy by Felix Oberholzer-Gee and Koleman Strumpf has found that illegal music downloads have had no noticeable effects on the sale of music, contrary to the claims of the recording industry.
Entitled "The Effect of File Sharing on Record Sales: An Empirical Analysis," the study matched an extensive sample of music downloads to American music sales data in order to search for causality between illicit downloading and album sales. Analyzing data from the final four months of 2002, the researchers estimated that P2P affected no more than 0.7% of sales in that timeframe.
The study compared the logs of two OpenNAP P2P servers with sales data from Nielsen SoundScan, tracking the effects of 1.75 million songs downloads on 680 different albums sold during that same period. The study then took a surprising twist. Popular music will often have both high downloads and high sales figures, so what the researchers wanted was a way to test for effects on albums sales when file-sharing activity was increased on account of something other than US song popularity. Does the occasionally increased availability of music from Germany affect US sales?
The study looked at time periods when German students were on holiday after demonstrating that P2P use increases at these times. German users collectively are the #2 P2P suppliers, providing "about one out of every six U.S. downloads," according to the study. Yet the effects on American sales were not large enough to be statistically significant. Using this and several other methods, the study's authors could find no meaningful causality. The availability and even increased downloads of music on P2P networks did not correlate to a negative effect on music sales.
"Using detailed records of transfers of digital music files, we find that file sharing has had no statistically significant effect on purchases of the average album in our sample," the study reports. "Even our most negative point estimate implies that a one-standard-deviation increase in file sharing reduces an album's weekly sales by a mere 368 copies, an effect that is too small to be statistically distinguishable from zero."
The study reports that 803 million CDs were sold in 2002, which was a decrease of about 80 million from the previous year. The RIAA has blamed the majority of the decrease on piracy, and has maintained that argument in recent years as music sales have faltered. Yet according to the study, the impact from file sharing could not have been more than 6 million albums total in 2002, leaving 74 million unsold CDs without an excuse for sitting on shelves.
So what's the problem with music? The study echoes many of the observations you've read here at Ars. First, because the recording industry focuses on units shipped rather than sold, the decline can be attributed in part to reduced inventory. Gone are the days when Best Buy and others wanted a ton of unsold stock sitting around, so they order less CDs. The study also highlighted the growth in DVD sales during that same period as a possible explanation for why customers weren't opening their wallets: they were busy buying DVDs."
I think it's likely the above referenced study is equally applicable to movies, books, etc.. Other independent studies have established file sharing has aided, rather than sapped, industry profitability through these transitional times. It is high time the industry embraced the futility of DRM, and the success of file sharing as a low cost distribution channel.
Astro-turf "think tanks" like IPI are the handmaidens of industry propaganda machines, cheerfully creating, for a fee, fallacious fantasy-fulfilling "reports/studies" in support of the illogical and unbelievable spew of industry PR departments. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to dodgetech2
the DVD thing has merit, if i have $20 in my hand and a choice between a DVD and a CD im going to buy the movie as its overall reusable entertainment value is greater.
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justin147
join:2006-02-28
Centerville, UT
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Hangmn :Who cares what it costs businesses. These idiots are in an arena where they are obviously out classed. If it can be done it will be done period. F'k em I screw em every chance I get Ah, the philosophy of every criminal that goes thru the criminal justice system. And people wonder why so many people are in prison in the US. NO, NO, NO, people are not that stupid. Most educated people don't wonder, but rather lament the fact so many people are in prison in the US. The vast majority of U.S. prisoners are non violent offenders. You Wana lock someone up now and force me to pay my taxes to in-prison a broke college student who likes to listen to music and shares his collection with other like minded students? Get Real. |
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Maranello
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join:2000-12-08
Butler, PA
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said by dodgetech2 :Random number generator? It said I lost 730 million this year by not playing the lottery every week. |
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Draxsr
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The sub-prime "screw up's" aren't a government problem. It's a greed problem. The people in this country have issues with living within their means. No one forces one to sign a mortgage without giving it your own due diligance. Opting for an absurd, adjustable rate rests solely on the moron signing the paperwork. And I'd love to meet the moron who signs up for an 'interest only' mortgage where their payments pay ONLY the interest and nothing on the principle. It's what happens when someone making 30K/year thinks they need to live in a 300K house. It's sad and those morons do not deserve to be bailed out by the taxes others, who know how to live within their means, shell out. IMHO, YMMV. |
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