Gruesome
join:2007-10-18
Milton, ON
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Re: U.S. economy loses $58 billion from piracy every year.
said by TKJunkMail  :said by Hangmn :Who cares what it costs businesses. These idiots are in an arena where they are obviously out classed. If it can be done it will be done period. F'k em I screw em every chance I get Ah, the philosophy of every criminal that goes thru the criminal justice system. And people wonder why so many people are in prison in the US. If more bankers were in Jail I might agree |
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fatness
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join:2000-11-17
fishing | reply to nekkidtruth
Is not.
Is too.
Is not.
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nekkidtruth
You fail at life.
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London, ON
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said by Yauch :And I have a M.A. in basic reading comprehension. When someone prefaces their statements with "one would assume" that means that they are making an assumption and stating an opinion. And my M.A. in 3rd grade vocab words would tell me that opinion means that it cannot be backed up by fact because it is a personally held belief. Clearly your "basic reading comprehension" skills are no better than you claim mine are. I was calling B.S. on his statement that he probably ends up paying in the end for my pirating blah blah blah, to which I responded with "prove it".
Maybe we should move down to 2nd grade vocabulary to ensure we both understand 
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
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said by BF69 :Yes and what change are you effecting by pirating? Ah, there is the rub. I don't trade in pirated **AA content. If it isn't worth paying to see it, it isn't worth seeing at all.
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NormanS
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said by BF69 :Surely you are not suggesting that priratng cost businesses NOTHING? How would you design a metric to determine what the **AA is losing to piracy? Do you assume that every pirated copy of a movie is a lost sale? On what basis do you make that assumption? What if nobody offered pirated content, and sales remained at their current levels?
The **AA estimates their losses by first taking a WAG at how many copies of Titanic the public would buy, if they couldn't get a pirated copy. Then they take a WAG at how many pirated copies are floating around on the Internet. They subtract the second WAG from the first WAG, and derive the dollar amount of sales not made; but the result of their wagging is: WAG/A - WAG/B = WAG/X.
A WAG is still a WAG, no matter how the **AA spins it.
NOTE: WAG = Wild Assessed Guess
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madrhino
join:2004-07-03
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said by BF69 :
cheap or porr to have amore .... See I have a M.A in REALITY,
Porr amore?You are talking about grain cereal love??Huh?
Didn't that degree require any English classes?
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Hangmn :Who cares what it costs businesses. These idiots are in an arena where they are obviously out classed. If it can be done it will be done period. F'k em I screw em every chance I get Ah, the philosophy of every criminal that goes thru the criminal justice system. And people wonder why so many people are in prison in the US. Because incarceration is big business and big profits? |
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
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said by Bas :
The problem with your little theory is that in most suburban areas next to a MAJOR CITY a 1200 square foot house on a postage stamp sized lawn costs $250,000.00. So where do you suppose people should live, a cardboard box?
Plenty of larger and cheaper places are available, in places like North Philadelphia, Camden, East St. Louis, Anacostia, etc.... |
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voiplover
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Portsmouth, NH | reply to BF69
Makes me want to go POP some CORN now!  |
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Bas
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said by superdog :said by Draxsr :
The sub-prime "screw up's" aren't a government problem. It's a greed problem. The people in this country have issues with living within their means. No one forces one to sign a mortgage without giving it your own due diligance. Opting for an absurd, adjustable rate rests solely on the moron signing the paperwork. And I'd love to meet the moron who signs up for an 'interest only' mortgage where their payments pay ONLY the interest and nothing on the principle. It's what happens when someone making 30K/year thinks they need to live in a 300K house. It's sad and those morons do not deserve to be bailed out by the taxes others, who know how to live within their means, shell out. IMHO, YMMV.
That is a perfect statement, and one I wish I made myself. The problem with your little theory is that in most suburban areas next to a MAJOR CITY a 1200 square foot house on a postage stamp sized lawn costs $250,000.00. So where do you suppose people should live, a cardboard box? |
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justaguy
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Your screen name is amazingly appropriate |
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superdog
I Need A Drink
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join:2001-07-13
Lebanon, PA
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said by Draxsr :
The sub-prime "screw up's" aren't a government problem. It's a greed problem. The people in this country have issues with living within their means. No one forces one to sign a mortgage without giving it your own due diligance. Opting for an absurd, adjustable rate rests solely on the moron signing the paperwork. And I'd love to meet the moron who signs up for an 'interest only' mortgage where their payments pay ONLY the interest and nothing on the principle. It's what happens when someone making 30K/year thinks they need to live in a 300K house. It's sad and those morons do not deserve to be bailed out by the taxes others, who know how to live within their means, shell out. IMHO, YMMV.
That is a perfect statement, and one I wish I made myself.
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The sub-prime "screw up's" aren't a government problem. It's a greed problem. The people in this country have issues with living within their means. No one forces one to sign a mortgage without giving it your own due diligance. Opting for an absurd, adjustable rate rests solely on the moron signing the paperwork. And I'd love to meet the moron who signs up for an 'interest only' mortgage where their payments pay ONLY the interest and nothing on the principle. It's what happens when someone making 30K/year thinks they need to live in a 300K house. It's sad and those morons do not deserve to be bailed out by the taxes others, who know how to live within their means, shell out. IMHO, YMMV. |
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justin147
join:2006-02-28
Centerville, UT
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Hangmn :Who cares what it costs businesses. These idiots are in an arena where they are obviously out classed. If it can be done it will be done period. F'k em I screw em every chance I get Ah, the philosophy of every criminal that goes thru the criminal justice system. And people wonder why so many people are in prison in the US. NO, NO, NO, people are not that stupid. Most educated people don't wonder, but rather lament the fact so many people are in prison in the US. The vast majority of U.S. prisoners are non violent offenders. You Wana lock someone up now and force me to pay my taxes to in-prison a broke college student who likes to listen to music and shares his collection with other like minded students? Get Real. |
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ross
join:2000-08-16
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said by TKJunkMail :The NEW study being discussed here isn't just MUSIC ONLY like the studies you quote. It also includes movies, books, etc. From ArsTechnica:
"Study: P2P effect on legal music sales "not statistically distinguishable from zero"
By Ken Fisher | Published: February 12, 2007 - 08:49AM CT
A new study in the Journal of Political Economy by Felix Oberholzer-Gee and Koleman Strumpf has found that illegal music downloads have had no noticeable effects on the sale of music, contrary to the claims of the recording industry.
Entitled "The Effect of File Sharing on Record Sales: An Empirical Analysis," the study matched an extensive sample of music downloads to American music sales data in order to search for causality between illicit downloading and album sales. Analyzing data from the final four months of 2002, the researchers estimated that P2P affected no more than 0.7% of sales in that timeframe.
The study compared the logs of two OpenNAP P2P servers with sales data from Nielsen SoundScan, tracking the effects of 1.75 million songs downloads on 680 different albums sold during that same period. The study then took a surprising twist. Popular music will often have both high downloads and high sales figures, so what the researchers wanted was a way to test for effects on albums sales when file-sharing activity was increased on account of something other than US song popularity. Does the occasionally increased availability of music from Germany affect US sales?
The study looked at time periods when German students were on holiday after demonstrating that P2P use increases at these times. German users collectively are the #2 P2P suppliers, providing "about one out of every six U.S. downloads," according to the study. Yet the effects on American sales were not large enough to be statistically significant. Using this and several other methods, the study's authors could find no meaningful causality. The availability and even increased downloads of music on P2P networks did not correlate to a negative effect on music sales.
"Using detailed records of transfers of digital music files, we find that file sharing has had no statistically significant effect on purchases of the average album in our sample," the study reports. "Even our most negative point estimate implies that a one-standard-deviation increase in file sharing reduces an album's weekly sales by a mere 368 copies, an effect that is too small to be statistically distinguishable from zero."
The study reports that 803 million CDs were sold in 2002, which was a decrease of about 80 million from the previous year. The RIAA has blamed the majority of the decrease on piracy, and has maintained that argument in recent years as music sales have faltered. Yet according to the study, the impact from file sharing could not have been more than 6 million albums total in 2002, leaving 74 million unsold CDs without an excuse for sitting on shelves.
So what's the problem with music? The study echoes many of the observations you've read here at Ars. First, because the recording industry focuses on units shipped rather than sold, the decline can be attributed in part to reduced inventory. Gone are the days when Best Buy and others wanted a ton of unsold stock sitting around, so they order less CDs. The study also highlighted the growth in DVD sales during that same period as a possible explanation for why customers weren't opening their wallets: they were busy buying DVDs."
I think it's likely the above referenced study is equally applicable to movies, books, etc.. Other independent studies have established file sharing has aided, rather than sapped, industry profitability through these transitional times. It is high time the industry embraced the futility of DRM, and the success of file sharing as a low cost distribution channel.
Astro-turf "think tanks" like IPI are the handmaidens of industry propaganda machines, cheerfully creating, for a fee, fallacious fantasy-fulfilling "reports/studies" in support of the illogical and unbelievable spew of industry PR departments. |
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jp10558
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join:2005-06-24
Willseyville, NY
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Even if people are quite poor, especially if people do not have gobs of discretionary income, they will spend or invest their money they do not spend on a particular product. Unless you think very poor or very cheap people just stuff cash in their mattress?
If they do not, there are basically 2 things you *can* do with money. Spend it or Invest it (A savings account is still money invested in the economy - banks can use it as a basis to lend money to people who are spending it).
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24
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And I have a M.A. in basic reading comprehension. When someone prefaces their statements with "one would assume" that means that they are making an assumption and stating an opinion. And my M.A. in 3rd grade vocab words would tell me that opinion means that it cannot be backed up by fact because it is a personally held belief. |
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24 | reply to TScheisskopf
I'd vote for it, lets do it. |
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
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HEY KARL!!! Kaaarrrrlll!!!
Please, can we have a demerit system in these threads about the RIAA? One that automatically hits any poster that brings up the specious equivalency between pirated anything and child porn, child rape, child molestation and child auto seats with a negative score?
God weeps and a kitty dies every time this half-a**ed argument is put forth. |
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vzw emp
@qwest.net | reply to BF69
Move to Denver. If the cops find an ounce or less it's legal. |
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