FCC Refuses to Investigate Telcos in Wiretapping Issue > And more freedom disappears

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Re: And more freedom disappears

reply to fAcEtIOUs
So, what are your views on the recent statement by Jack Goldsmith, whose job it was to polish the administrations wiretapping turd and somehow make it palatable, in a legal sense? Seems that worthy has pretty well damned the whole program and the process and motivations behind it.

This old saw of "Do you know anyone harmed/were you harmed by " is a false argument. In a healthy democracy, where the body politic is engaged, active and aware, questions and dismay over these actions are vital. It would be far more worrisome if people were not outraged.

You sir, have much better things to do with your life then being a knee-jerk apologist, without portfolio, for this sort of stuff. Assuming you do not, in fact, hold a portfolio. Of course, that assumption has been the source of no small amount of comment and debate in these parts.

It's not about paranoia but preserving liberty. In a free society everyone has to stand up for the rights of the one person who had their's violated. Remember that the Constitution does not grant us our rights because we have them no matter what. The Constitution is just a contract between the people and the government and it has been breached by warrantless wiretapping.

reply to fAcEtIOUs
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Sound familiar? It should, it's the 4th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, and it supersedes ALL statutory law. It is "the supreme law of the land".

-R

reply to oolguy
Whatever.....I feel better that are goverment is being proactive and watching /listening to potential threats to our country.

Freedom? You have freedom everyday. The only people bothered by this are people who have something to hide. Get over it!

reply to fAcEtIOUs
All your postings show the same underlying theme. You are scared. You are afraid of the evil muslims, and the 'terrist' who are trying to kill you. You support the administration and the megacorps, because, you (falsely) believe they will 'protect you'. Guess what, they won't. Power corrupts, that human nature. The gestapo tactics of the current administration are proof of that.

The solution, of course, is to stand by the constitution. We are GUARANTEED certain rights, and have other rights by proxy. I WANT the right to privacy. I DON'T want the police to keep track of where I go, when I go. They have no RIGHT to that information, but you are so scared, you are willing to give up 200+ years of a working system, just to feel 'safe'.

If a terrorist WANTS to kill people, they will. There IS NO SOLUTION for people who are willing to kill themselves for a cause. The BIGGEST CAUSE of human suffering is of course, the fallacy of religion. The sooner we erase religion from the human consciousness, the better off we will all be.

You hide behind your support of the current regime, but by doing so, you give up all that made this country great. It's amusing to read you defend the actions of an administration which has made the US the most hated country on the planet. It's amusing to see you support the megacorps which are outsourcing our jobs to slave labor in china and india. You don't have a clue about the human condition, and what it means to be a human being. You are a mindless drone supporting false beliefs in the hope that you will be 'safe'.
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reply to fAcEtIOUs
We are all wiretapped in some way. With this administration it's "who cares if it is for terrorism or not, everybody is guilty of something." The simple fact is that if you are an American citizen, you are guilty of something.
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Exactly - you'll know "how?" - you wont! They will cite "national security" as a reason for you to never know. I hope they investigate you some day and give you cause to complain - because you wont be able to. In space no one can hear you scream, ditto for Guantanamo.

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