Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :) in Canadian Broadband

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:37:39 EDT

Bicephale : Here's the forum for TekSavvy customers:

»TekSavvy

It's safe to presume they won't have any
problem with Bell over your next profile...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:08:00 EDT

pure_drivel : I was just taking a peak at my stats and everything seems to be up to par. If I think I should be on a 5megabit connection, do I simply call up Teksavvy and ask them to put in a ticket?

Do they generally just set up new connections on area defaults (i.e. everyone in K1X XXX is probably 3 megabits)?

Thanks in advance!

Line Info

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:04:06 EDT

Bicephale : If tweaking is required then v6.1.0.5 is the
last FirmWare available. Otherwise, try them
all for about ten days each using this tool:

»Yet Another Modem Statistics tool

...then come back here in four months or so
to share the result of your own comparisons!

Oh, and don't forget to save your log files!...

:p

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:53:47 EDT

tommyv2 : So...after 52 pages of reading...

What firmware number is recommended for those of us with poor connections? Downstream is 60db and SNR is 6.5, but I get 3000/800 sync perfectly, but hoping to improve stability (I disconnect a few times a day it seems)

I currently use the newest firmware, but I have a feeling there's better...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:27:24 EDT

EC : Arcanac might have been looking at someone else's line. Your stats are great and you're probably on a remote. 5056/800 fast path shouldn't be a problem.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:53:19 EDT

draggonfly : hello,
recently i asked my isp [Acanac] to switch me from interleave to fast path, as i was having far higher pings than i wanted (over 50ms for just about everything). on interleave, i used to have 5056/800 down up and now i am stuck on 3008/800 after having been put on fast path.

i asked the guys at acanac for my line stats after this happened and they told me that my line was doing this:

SNR 14 down, 14 up
Attenuation: 53 down and 35 up

and told me that i could not get any more out of my line. my modem, a versatek versa 170pr, was reporting:

SNR: 30.5 down, 11 up
Attenuation: 10 down 4 up.

given this, i wanted to double check with another modem, came across this speedtouch and got DMT. here is what the modem gives me:

with this in mind, is my ISP lying to me/giving me false information? are the stats from my modem trustworthy? am i maxing out my line? do the stats even look normal? from what i can tell, my stats are basically too good to be true...

I've verified the stats on my friend's line and his line gives a far more normal curve, where the blue area is not practically flat, and his modem says he is pretty much using RCO ~70% for up and down.

in any case, if anybody can shed any light on my situation, it would be greatly apreciated. Going from 5 mbit to 3mbit is a loss of 66% speed. worst of all, pings have not dropped more than 5 ms.

thanks to all who input their opinion

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:57:13 EDT

Bicephale : Hi Chopp,

There's no reason to upgrade if you observed
no difficulties. Your router problem appears to
be quite common around here, the last related
post i've seen was this one as i recall, actually:

»Access Modem on WAN

I don't use a separate stand-alone router myself
so you'll get better advice from router owners...

'DMT' can be run under 'WinE' sometimes, the one
application which runs even more successfully if
using 'WinE' (e.g. Linux/OSX) is 'RouterStats' or its
trimmed-down version 'RouterStats-Lite'. There's
no spectral response graphic in 'RS' but i yet got
to see it fails in a 'WinE'/Linux environment.

Addendum:

Euh... And 'RS'/'RS-L' is said to generate diagnostic
logs too which may allow one to create noise curves
but still no spectral response graphics, though...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:55:12 EDT

chopp : I haven't experienced resets & disconnections as far as I can tell anyway.

What firmware would you recommend I upgrade too? I did have the modemoptions enabled, but was not sure what to change anyway.

Also what changes can I make in my x-wrt router, to be able to connect the one and only M$ box to the modem with DMT, without having to connect it directly to the modem?

Thanks
chopp

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:37:29 EDT

Bicephale : Ah, and before you do, check if setting
MoDemOption register 0 to #00)h helps:
i notice you didn't activate the extra
'DMT' panels, maybe it's time to do so.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:34:01 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

Are you experiencing resets & disconnections?

You can try to upgrade the FirmWare so that
the MoDem will only negociate for an ADSL v1
connection. The DownStream rate would still
be comparable (6016 Kbps) while the UpStream
rate should become 800 Kbps, which i suppose
will take care of the bottleneck you've got...

Does 6016/800 Kbps sound acceptable to you?

The DownStream SNR Margin will most probably
take a hit but yet remain within suitable limits.

The UpStream SNR Margin will certainly raise
by a couple dB at 800 Kbps; this would bring
more stability but i'm not even sure you really
need it!

:uhh:

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:47:14 EDT

chopp : Here are my DMT results. Anyone have any recommendations?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:23:07 EDT

Bicephale : Oh, and i don't promise results. Only assistance i can provide.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:19:33 EDT

Bicephale : Hi again,

Sorry but there's no such conclusion in my reply.

The Attenuation level might remain immuable as a
rock even if you experiment with RF "chokes" but
who can say it's the case until it has been tested?

I do my best so that clues about the "Noise" issue
are provided by this thread and the one which it's
linking to, i published numerous illustrations there:

»From the ground up!

You'll learn that SNR Margin curves often failed to
describe reality, i can even refer you to old threads
where the spectral response envelope looks better if
the MoDem is located away from one's demarcation
box, using a long/cheap non-twisted phone cable!

I've discussed how the use of toroidal ferrite cores
as RF chokes may lead to some paradoxal results;
i can also show you a curve where one section just
looks great while its counterpart is some nightmare
come true and yet, in fact, the situation happens
to be different. Now, if some curves lie what must
we expect of mere static numbers which many of us
have seen changing by the minute!? My suggestion
is that you collect long term (24 h) "noise" curves,
it may very well open your eyes on the big picture.

It's not perfect, there's time & effort involved but
that's all i got to offer. Maybe others know better
but i'd probably call this gambling on your account!

:p

My advice isn't to give up but to acquire a proper
perception of the context. The choice is yours, is
it worth my spare-time and yours? The content of
your next post will tell me if we can go any further.

;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:23:08 EDT

anon : So basically their is nothing I can do because my Attenuation of 62 is to high???

Also, with my noise set to the min I have an RCO of 48%. But my attenuation is still 62...does that mean my line is noisy as hell and their is nothing I can do?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:43:22 EDT

Bicephale : Automated (timed) tweaking should be good enough then, i
wonder if BoxFan (author of 'STMT') would mind commenting...

:p

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:27:58 EDT

Angelo_ : the 516 doesn't fully support the adsl2+ spec which is what you want =(

the ability to change profiles as the line gets better or worse doesn't really work yet... give it a few more years before jumping onto one of these units. I have a 3com whic his capable of this an its very rough getting the right firmware which is stable on it.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:53:02 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

We get little control using Thomson's MoDemOption
and the matter of FirmWare versions remains to be
explored but i can attempt to testify based on my
own experience and then i'll extrapolate from there.

This capture shows the best RCO numbers i've ever
seen for my present line, i believe. It's confirming
my assumption that under normal conditions i must
be able to get on 6016/800 Kbps FastPath!!! Noise
obscures such a prospect, most unfortunately, but
it's not impossible that some day i'll get this solved.

Right now, it's obvious there are afternoons during
which i might have the best profile available for the
money i spend but, until only a few days ago, i just
hadn't realized i was able to restore my connectivity
on evenings using an ST + 'DMT' tweaks. Relatively
to our present case (yours), a DownStream RCO of
50 % or so may sugest that you have room for more
speed indeed but it depends on how quiet the line is.

Being this far away doesn't help it at all but i can't
tell more without the suitable noise curves anyway.

Back to my illustration, what i know is that i'd have
6016/800 Kbps FastPath during dry afternoons only
and i'm not sure Bell would leave it as is, indefinitely,
while the "latern" resources would keep warning the
phone company that my speeds vary in this fashion.

Maybe there's a similar option for you, maybe not...

I wish ADSL were made sturdy enough to fall-back
and "repair" itself automagically but that's not going
to happen on the Thomson SpeedTouch 5x6 series
if i can judge from what i've seen and read since i
bought my ST546v6, about a year and a half ago...

I believe the Siemens SpeedStream 4200 is able to
fall-back to 4032 Kbps during a noisy episode but
i could notice the connection wasn't as satisfying
as i'd like it to be. If this is how ADSL works for a
growing number of customers lets welcome ADSL2+!

In the meantime, you should consider installing new
FirmWare which 'STMT' supports so that long term
"noise" curves become an option... Once you got a
better perspective on how the line behaves you'll
gain confidence about what the next move must be.

Let me reming you that RCOs in the fifties would
be good news only if you have moderate noise, as
when living in sub-urban country-sides, perhaps.

Who knows, you may be lucky.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:13:30 EDT

anon : Also! If I bring the noise bar down to 2 notches above the word minimum, my RCO is %58...I assume lower is better?? Thanks.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:10:28 EDT

anon : I did the setting you suggested for my modemoptions my RCO DS% went up from %66 to %68. My SRM went from 11 to 13.5, and my txpwr went from 16 to 15.5, AFTER I slid the bar up to were you have it. Is this bad or good?

Hopefully my modem stays in sync for atleast 12hrs or so lol, in which i'll take another screen cap. But do you think I would be able to attain a 1.7mbit connection on my line? Like how am I suppose to b*itch to my ISP and have them b*tch to bell that I want it switched for testing purposes when they immediately refuse anyways? FRUSTRATING!!!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:33:08 EDT

Bicephale : Oh, by the way! Your Error counters are meaningless
without a suitable time-frame. Twelve seconds is NOT
suitable at all so i must suggest you let the device run
for much longer than that (24 h is fine) and then it's
OKay to launch 'DMT'! Take note that multiple resets
invalidate the time-frame since we don't see when the
last reset occured. So, this means if you can't collect
long term records where the "Number of resets" equals
one then you'll have to settle for a shorter period but
it doesn't mean twelve seconds is suitable (unless the
phone line gets so bad you can't do better, that is)!...

:p

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:22:53 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

The ST's MoDemOption feature never worked for me until i
moved so i'm an apprentice here but this is how i'd put it:

From the ground up!, Bicephale, 2008-Aug-30

FirmWare v6.1.0.5 is fine, i don't know yet if there's any
benefit in using another version. What i can see is that
bringing the "Noisemargin" cursor down improved my DS
RCO figure but this was done at the cost of a lower DS
SNR Margin.

Alternately, taking that cursor up i managed to make my
connection stable enough for normal use during disruptions
(i experience heavy noise on evenings); my DownStream
SNR Margin went up as my connection speed went down
(this is a trade-off which i don't think can be avoided)...

If you search back through my thread you should find an
animated .GIF demonstrating what this tweaking can do;
the date was August 26.

;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:55:28 EDT

Bicephale : I guess i'll need this for future references...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:40:27 EDT

anon : Hey guys, I'm wondering what I can do so that I can achieve a 1.7mb profile from Bell (My ISP is Teksavvy). I recently called Teksavvy and a request was put in with Bell and it was denied..I guess they said my connection would be "to unstable" if they set that profile. I call bullsh*t. On my previous ISP (MNSi) I got a steady 170k/s which is like 1.4mbit connection?? But now on Teksavvy I can't? Oh ok!!? Makes sense? NOT! Plus I play alot of games and I realyl can't do ANYTHING with 120k/s (~1mbit) download max... let alone my crappy 160kbits upload thats set right now.

Well after reading this thread I decided to get DMT and fool around. I put on the 6.1.0.5 firmware on my Speedtouch 516 (as I read this allowed all options in DMT). I took a couple screen caps. I played around with the Noisemargin in the 4th tab and when I set it to just above minimum my RCO was around %50, is that good? I'm not to sure what RCO means but I think it means the lower the percent the more I should be able to get out of my line?

Anyways here are some stats:

Modemstate : up
Operation Mode : G.992.1 Annex A
Channel Mode : interleaved
Number of resets : 1
Vendor Local Remote
Country : 0f 0f
Vendor : TMMB ALCB
VendorSpecific : 0000 0000
StandardRevisionNr : 00 01
Downstream Upstream
Margin [dB] : 10.5 23.0
Attenuation [dB] : 62.0 31.5
OutputPower [dBm] : 16.0 11.5
Intrinsic/Actual Bandwidth %
Upstream : 19
Downstream : 66
Available Bandwidth Cells/s Kbit/s
Downstream : 2792 1184
Upstream : 377 160
Transfer statistics
Errors
Received FEC : 537
Received CRC : 2
Received HEC : 2
Transmitted FEC : 0
Transmitted CRC : 0
Transmitted HEC : 0
Near end failures since reset
Loss of frame: 0 failures
Loss of signal: 0 failures
Loss of power: 0 failures
Errored seconds: 1 seconds
Near end failures last 15 minutes
Loss of frame: 0 seconds
Loss of signal: 0 seconds
Loss of power: 0 seconds
Errored seconds: 1 seconds
Near end failures current day
Errored seconds: 1 seconds
Near end failures previous day
Errored seconds: 0 seconds

ADSL configuration:
opermode = multi_adsl2plus
trace = disabled
modemoption = 00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00

Not sure what else is relavant..but is it possible to be able to run steady on a 1.7meg profile from my distance to the CO (5-5.1km they say...) and with my line stats?? Help is much appreciated!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:46:20 EDT

Bicephale : Great! Well, i found the information you've
requested in a previous post. My advice is
that you get the file on disk but never use
it if that's possible:

Home >> Downloads Root / mfcs_G / GNet / BB0060B ADSL Ethernet Router

Home >> Downloads Root / mfcs_G / GNet / BB2060 ADSL2+ Ethernet Router

You could as well have got want you wanted
from GenTek's site by following these links:

http://gentek.com/html/index.asp
"Support & Downloads"
"Online Public FTP"
"ADSL-Modems"
"BB2060"
"Firmware"
"3-C33GTT10-8821"
"Download Now"

The MoDem-Help site resquires you to be
registered while you need to contact the
GenTek guys in order to get a PassWord...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:36:09 EDT

mbethke : Thanks! I'll check them out.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:12:24 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

I didn't learn much about Thomson's MoDemOptions
because this didn't seem to work for me when i still
cared to try them but here's what i could get so far:

SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :), Bicephale, 2007-Jun-18

is it possible, Bicephale, 2007-Nov-2
(Possibly the "Spectral Shaping" and "SRA" bits)

SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :), Bicephale, 2007-Jun-18
(FirmWares vs experimental tabs)

Here's a post the guy who launched the ST "Buy Groups":

Losing Sync, TilhasBB, 2007-Feb-25
(The '0F' register)

I also read somewhere that the MoDemOptions may still
work up to FirmWare v6.1.0.5.0 (ZZQOAA6.105). For more
information you'd need to browse the British and Aussie
web sites (you'll find the references using my 1st link)...

;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:47:44 EDT

mbethke : I have the attached screenshot just taken.

Do we have any info on the modemoptions? Can any of these be modified to further tweak the system for the better? I am not aware of what 00, 01, 02, etc. means.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:04:14 EDT

Bicephale : Can you show your MoDem Options since this is what the tweaks are about?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:03:24 EDT

Bicephale : Thomson, under pressure from their main European customers
(who are ISPs over there), made their FirmWare 'DMT'-hostile
so that's what the 300 sec (5 min) delay is all about, exactly.

I think v6.1.0.5 doesn't cause this sort of behaviour in 'DMT'.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:46:29 EDT

mbethke :

1

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:44:43 EDT

mbethke : I'm not sure where this shot came from, but I had a few of those when I was testing the Noisemargin and ADSL Standard of Modemoptions. When Noisemargin was set above Minimum, I noticed similar blackout areas with a 300s delay. I have my setting at Minimum (my system won't tolerate even the next tick above minimum without those delays) and ADSL2+ (this didn't matter much). Note the attachment 1.

Attachment 2 and 3 are my settings from within ST5x6 system setup.

I hope this helps. :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:58:32 EDT

Bicephale : Unnecessary roughness of posting? Read again...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:02:57 EDT

mbethke : 5 minutes ... ?

Unnecessary roughness of posting?
:)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:19:30 EDT

Bicephale : You didn't notice the five minutes penalty?

Anyway, FirmWare v6.1.9.6 (shown above) is the end of the road for tweakers!...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:17:01 EDT

mbethke : Hello Mods and members!

I've been lurking and working on tweaking my SpeedTouch 516v6 using the information posted on this site.

First, thanks for your hard work and effort in helping noobs like me, and making this stuff simpler.

I started out with downstream around 500 :p (I didn't know that you could tweak this modem :uhh:). Now as you'll see from the stats, I'm up around 3776 downstream. Old dog, new trick. :D

I am using the UK version (it shows 546 in the screenshots). It would appear that I am far from the CO (~7km!). I'm with Primus.ca and I have posted speed and quality tests on the DSL site. The speed test below was from Speakeasy using Java.

I have slowly improved due to the following changes:
1. downgrade firmware to 6.1.4.6 (7.4 did not cut it);
2. eliminate tangled telco and power lines;
3. use a 3" CAT5 cable between modem and Trendnet router
4. unplug vintage (1965) rotary dial telephone borrowed from my university dormitory
5. tweak settings like RWIN and MTU using DRTCP

I am not sure whether there is anything further that I can do with the tools at hand. I would appreciate any further assistance that the forum can give.

Here are my stats. I've attached a final screen shot of DMT. Thanks for these tools as well.

Speed test

Last Result:
Download Speed: 3031 kbps (378.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 662 kbps (82.8 KB/sec transfer rate)

==========================================================================

Modemstate : up
Operation Mode : G.992.1 Annex A
Channel Mode : interleaved
Number of resets : 9
Vendor Local Remote
Country : 0f ff
Vendor : TMMB GSPN
VendorSpecific : 0000 0008
StandardRevisionNr : 00 01
Bearer Generic Info Downstream Upstream
Margin [dB] : 4.5 10.0
Attenuation [dB] : 54.0 31.5
OutputPower [dBm] : 17.5 11.5
Intrinsic/Actual And Maximum Bandwidth % Kbit/s
Downstream : 93 3776
Upstream : 92 864
Total Available Bandwidth Cells/s Kbit/s
Downstream : 8301 3520
Upstream : 1886 800
Transfer statistics
Errors
Received FEC : 393042
Received CRC : 6
Received HEC : 5
Transmitted FEC : 0
Transmitted CRC : 0
Transmitted HEC : 0
Near end failures since reset
Loss of frame: 5 failures
Loss of signal: 2 failures
Loss of power: 0 failures
Errored seconds: 6 seconds
Near end failures last 15 minutes
Loss of frame: 0 seconds
Loss of signal: 0 seconds
Loss of power: 0 seconds
Errored seconds: 1 seconds
Near end failures current day
Errored seconds: 6 seconds
Near end failures previous day
Errored seconds: 0 seconds

============================================================================

SysUpTime: 00:00:37 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 1088 kbit/s, upstream: 640 kbit/s; output Power Down: 16.0 dBm, Up: 11.5 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 63.0 dB, Up: 31.5 dB; snr Margin Down: 10.5 dB, Up: 10.0 dB)
SysUpTime: 00:01:00 xDSL linestate down
SysUpTime: 00:01:31 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 1824 kbit/s, upstream: 640 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.0 dBm, Up: 11.5 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 63.0 dB, Up: 31.5 dB; snr Margin Down: 5.0 dB, Up: 10.0 dB)
SysUpTime: 00:01:41 xDSL linestate down
SysUpTime: 00:02:12 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 1824 kbit/s, upstream: 672 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.0 dBm, Up: 11.5 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 63.0 dB, Up: 31.5 dB; snr Margin Down: 5.0 dB, Up: 10.0 dB)
SysUpTime: 00:15:44 xDSL linestate down
SysUpTime: 00:16:31 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 3360 kbit/s, upstream: 832 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.0 dBm, Up: 11.5 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 54.0 dB, Up: 31.5 dB; snr Margin Down: 5.0 dB, Up: 9.0 dB)
SysUpTime: 00:17:21 xDSL linestate down
SysUpTime: 00:18:12 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 3488 kbit/s, upstream: 800 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.5 dBm, Up: 11.5 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 54.0 dB, Up: 31.5 dB; snr Margin Down: 5.0 dB, Up: 9.0 dB)
SysUpTime: 00:29:45 xDSL linestate down
SysUpTime: 00:30:16 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 3520 kbit/s, upstream: 800 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.5 dBm, Up: 11.5 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 54.0 dB, Up: 31.5 dB; snr Margin Down: 5.0 dB, Up: 10.0 dB)
SysUpTime: 00:36:28 xDSL linestate down
SysUpTime: 00:36:45 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 3488 kbit/s, upstream: 768 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.0 dBm, Up: 11.5 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 54.0 dB, Up: 31.5 dB; snr Margin Down: 5.0 dB, Up: 11.0 dB)
SysUpTime: 00:37:25 xDSL linestate down
SysUpTime: 00:37:57 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 3520 kbit/s, upstream: 800 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.5 dBm, Up: 11.5 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 54.0 dB, Up: 31.5 dB; snr Margin Down: 5.0 dB, Up: 10.0 dB)
SysUpTime: 00:38:33 xDSL linestate down
SysUpTime: 00:39:03 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 3520 kbit/s, upstream: 800 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.5 dBm, Up: 11.5 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 54.0 dB, Up: 31.5 dB; snr Margin Down: 5.0 dB, Up: 10.0 dB)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:07:36 EDT

Bicephale : Hi fellow tweakers!

Now here's something a bit intriguing to me: i've noticed
that the SpeedTouch 5x6 works either on eighteen volts
A.C. or either on twenty-two volts D.C. - and i actually
have two transformers of each design specified as such:
the linear one is A.C. while the new "green" one is D.C.,
exactly as you'd would expect from this pair of stamps:

Click to see a larger picture!

So, here's my question... Which is best? Linear A.C. and no
self-generated high-frequency content or Switching-Mode
D.C. with high-frequency content, God knows where in the
DSL frequency spectrum? I can't install identical FirmWares
on both to make comparisons since i don't have the means
to re-install the "DV"/"GE" FirmWare variations which i got.

So, any speculative bets?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:29:52 EDT

Bicephale : I'm not sure this will help under the circumstances but try it anyway:

»resetting the 516

It's what they call a "link" around here, you just need to click on it!...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:24:25 EDT

DrXenon : Thanks, that's for upgrading firmware. I simply want to switch my modem into router mode so I can try out DMT. It's the so-called setup wizard I need.

I will have to dig through my boxes to find the setup cd, I suppose.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:18:02 EDT

Bicephale : The 13th link from the very 1st post of the top "sticky" which is titled
"SpeedTouch UpGrade Wizard v4421 20-Feb-2007 00:25 2.4M" would
be what you refer to, i suppose.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:26:19 EDT

DrXenon : I connected my 516 (in bridge mode) directly to my computer and tried to telnet into 10.0.0.138. Timed out. Same with the 192.168 address.

I've lost my setup cd - is there anywhere I can download the setup wizard? (preferably for mac but windows is fine too)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:37:05 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

On the left that's my ST, on the right the one owned by Peter_M:

I suggest you ask Peter_M about your router issue.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:33:17 EDT

DrXenon : My 516, in bridge mode, is behind an Apple Airport Extreme router. Is there any way to run DMT in this configuration?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:05:59 EDT

Bicephale : It's the wrong forum but those static numbers are great.

Will they hold on? Use 'STMT' to get a clue about that...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:05:40 EDT

anon : Are these linestats any good?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:28:00 EDT

Bicephale : Hi everyone,

It does look like the 'ANSI T1.413' standard
could relate to a form of Sprectral Shaping;
this 'DMT' capture was for a SpeedTouch 5x6:

ST5x6 (v6.2.17.5-AA) Experimental Tweak

This other capture is for a SpeedStream 4200:

Is my DSL profile wrong? DMT says 3M but I paid for 5M, TYBeet, 2008-Jul-12

Pay attention to the coloured bandwidths: two
different devices but one similar split envelope.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:48:36 EDT

Bicephale : Hi Anonworth,

What you wrote about performance reminded me of
the days when i considered that the stand-alone
routers were for "power-users"... You have to
know that my usual bandwidth consumption rarely
reaches beyond 20 Giga-Bytes and that's why all
of my DSL units function in "MoDem/Router" mode.

Perhaps if you notice speed variations it would
be a good idea to configure your SpeedTouch for
"Bridge" mode and to run a MiniWAN adapter (if
your OS is Windows) with some SoftWare FireWall
instead. That way, you'd be able to compare how
the SpeedTouch 516v6 behaves in your own case.

Actually, i'm not even 100 % sure you've got to
put an ST5x6 into "Dumb MoDem" mode to be able
to use the MicroSoft MiniWAN adapter at all: i
always thought that the MoDem would change modes
automatically... I'm not sure you can't force
the ADSL mode neither but it's quite possible
'DMT' doesn't support this option with the late
Thomson FirmWares (those people declared war to
'DMT', after all). In my optinion, the syntax
simply changed slightly and you'll only have to
connect via 'HyperTerminal' in order to access
its interactive simili-GUI (text-mode) VT menu!

If you type "HyperTrm" at the Windows command-
line and nothing happens then 'Hyper-Terminal'
isn't installed but that doesn't mean you can't
TelNet to the SpeeTouch's TelNet CLI, actually:

telnet://speedtouch.lan
(start 'HyperTerminal' from a browser)

telnet speedtouch.lan
(use the W32 console-mode client!)

See what happens by clicking on this link then
try Thomson's TelNet CLI with FW v7.4.3.2 ready!

Even better, lets use 'user.ini'! Euh... And
while i'm at it... Ah yes, here it is... The
syntax for the late FirmWare should look like:

So, when you try the very handy "menu" command,
watch for what the internal Wizard suggests for
the mode field by pressing [Enter] as if you're
about to make changes and then take note of all
the available modes using the browse key (it's
an arrow key perhaps, i don't recall exactly)...

Once you know the full TelNet CLI command to use
with FirmWare v7.4.3.2 it should be possible to
incorporate it to 'DMT' through one of its tabs.

Of course, i'd be much more optimistic if you
had a chance to play with Spectral Shaping but
it's not a feature supported by the SpeedTouch.

Some time ago i was told that ferrite chokes may
just happen to implement so raw form of Spectral
Shaping, if you must have such control then i'd
start to play around with toroid chokes, maybe!

What i can testify about is that i had little
hope for the SpeedTouch until i tried its newer
v7.4.3.2 FirmWare. This would force you to give
up on many 'DMT' options but i think it's worth
a try. What else is there to loose anyway?...

;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:44:35 EDT

anon : I seem to be having some issues with my Speedtouch 516v6's connection stability.. it's not so much that the modem disconnects (or rather, it never does) but sometimes the bandwidth will just choke and lag for a couple seconds at a time here and there, also general upstream performance seems fairly unstable (will upload 90kb/s one minute, then a minute later 50kb/s).

Looking at DMT I seem to be getting alot of errors, my ISP (Telus) uses ADSL2+ which I have forced into ADSL1 mode to get proper pings (in ADSL2+ mode I get 35ms to my first hop, ADSL1 mode I get 8ms). Telus does not offer fast-path mode so it's required to run ADSL1 mode to get around it. I don't get these errors in ADSL2+ mode, upload/download speed decreases by about 200kbit in ADSL2+ mode as well.

Is there anything I can do to reduce the frequency of the errors while keeping in ADSL1 mode? The modem is hooked up to the outlet with a fairly short telephone cable that came with it, and is run separate from all other wires.

I'm currently running the 6.1.0.5 firmware, because DMT doesn't allow me to manually set ADSL1 mode on newer firmware versions.

Here's a screenshot of DMT: »unf.ca/elanzer/img/dmt/dmt20080704_1922.png

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:53:07 EDT

Bicephale : Oh, sorry, i guess i missed your point about the resets!

Well, i have four DSL MoDems here and two of those are
brand new. Of all the long term records i've collected, this
is the best and it was using an old GNet BB0060B device:

»Re: Tweaks

I'm afraid i just can't testify that i've ever been able to
observe an equivalent result (fifty days without any reset)
with my Speedtouch 546 v6 on-line; at best it can last a
few days, probably never beyond a week but i must admit
i still have to fully evaluate the late FirmWare (there's been
a dozen since i purchased my ST546). Other guys are very
satisfied with their STs, i'm not that convinced but maybe
this newer FirmWare would be better, go figure. What i can
write is that the SpeedTouch does (or perhaps did) reset a
lot so if you can't afford frequent disconnections then i do
believe it when you claim the 2Wire worked better for you.

Unfortunately, that's the thing with DSL... I wouldn't have
spent this much money on MoDems if i felt like they were
all the same and that more wasn't better. I read that you
already implemented Centralized Filtering, next on my list
there was Shielding then RF Control via ferrite chokes... I
hope you won't have to go that far with DSL but even if it
is preferable to use twisted lines over flat ones i'd still try
to keep any phone line section as short as possible. Use
EtherNet cabling over long distances if you must, a MoDem
will be happier when located closer to the demarcation box.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:21:41 EDT

ardo : First, thank you for you kind help & suggestions. Second, when my modem goes down & brings torrent connections down with it, it does bother me. Also because I've tasted how good, painless, and transparent it can be with the 2Wire. That, and the fact that my actual bandwidth is about 1800 - that's down from 4300 with the 2Wire. I could be extremely happy if I didn't have to think about the noise, gather statistics, etc. I will try those other programs you've mentioned, but I am leaning towards just buying another 2Wire for $25 and shoving the $50 ST516 into its box.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:01:37 EDT

Bicephale : The problem i have with the SpeedTouch is that i catched
mine resetting its counters silently between two samples:
the CRC counter came close to zero instead of going up...

Of all the 3rd-party utilities, in the case of an ST5x6 v6,
i'd favour 'STMT' against 'DMT' or 'OrbMT' because this one
might allow you to collect a few 24 h CRC "noise" curves.

But, if you must trust "static" numbers gathered by any of
these TelNet-based tools, it's possible that some pattern
might emerge from enough of this data but i wouldn't bet
my reputation on such patterns knowing what i know!!! All
i can infer from the above captures is that you're about 4.2
Kilo-meters away from your DSLAM, "electrically" speaking.

Since you asked to be put on some Interleaved profile, at
4.2 KM from your peer DSLAM/C.O./whatever, i'd say 4032/
800 Kbps Interleaved should be OKay and maybe even 5056/
640 Interleaved, etc. In any case, it's your "noise" history
i'd like to hear most about because, in the end, if there has
been very few irrecoverable errors then why bother at all?!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:36:17 EDT

ardo : I bought ST516V6 to replace my 2Wire that got fried in a T-storm last weekend. Still running the original firmware in bridge mode, with my WRT54GL doing the rest. Even though the profile is 5056/800, my actual bandwidth is more like 1800/640. IMO, the 2Wire was handling my noisy line much better than the 516 is, and did so out-of-the-box with no tweaking. Even when the 516 re-connects, I sometimes don't get an internet connection, and the router shows the same IP for my address and the gateway. I find this really weird.

Would anyone be so kind to suggest something to get a more stable connection? I already asked the Bell tech (through the Sympatico direct forum) to switch me from Fastpath to Interleave, and I assume this will be done tomorrow. Should I also ask for 4032/800? BTW, the help I'm getting from the direct forum is very good, I just wish I didn't have to spend so much time getting back to where I was a week ago.

My line is split where it enters the house, with Cat3 directly to the modem, and the other half double-filtered, with a single phone on it.

TIA - ardo.

Loss of sync
Lots of Rec.Errors

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:18:17 EDT

Bicephale : 'DMT v7.35' will do, you can try 'STMT' or 'OrbMT' as well.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:16:58 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

I used the GUI this morning to save one version of 'user.ini'
where the option is disabled and another with the option on.

A comparison of both files allowed me to finger point at this:

The problem vanished after a Power reset... I have no clue
what was happening before but it seems to be working now.

Oh, and my copy of the CLI Manual is dated 2008-Feb-27...
A binary comparison shows it's identical to the one which
you suggested. Unfortunately, when we compare the size of
the past versions we can only conclude it started shrinking:

2007-Feb-16
8488428 Bytes

2007-Feb-20
7070481 Bytes

2007-Oct-2
5438132 Bytes

Thanks for posting anyway!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:10:32 EDT

TilhasBB : officially none. but you can check allow untested firmware and it works but you can't tweak anything.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:19:23 EDT

neptune54 : What version of DMT supports ST516 v6 running 7.432 firmware?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:34:16 EDT

dslgr : @Bicephale, try unchecking the "get CPUMem Stats" and see if the router does a warm restart again when using DMT.

As for the summer time, you can try setting dst to relative mode through telnet.

Here, you can find the cli for the 7.4.x firmwares and the release notes for the 536v6 (you can find other models too if you surf around).

Unfortunately, to get the notes you have to be a partner and have a login username and password. The cli is unlocked though.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:58:33 EDT

TilhasBB : you've got almost no errors. your line is GREAT :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:10:39 EDT

Bicephale : Your transmit errors? I don't think so: you've got a
pristine phone line and i bet most users are jealous!

Well, if we can judge by this 2 days record, i mean...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:37:33 EDT

mau108 : well i tried again and no reboots for me...im in bridge mode thoe.

anyway of getting rid of this transmit errors?

after a day

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:08:19 EDT

Bicephale : My ST is configured as a self-contained MoDem/Router and the
behaviour i described started to appear quite a bit reproducible.

The very same 'DMT' triggered event happened minutes ago!...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:35:33 EDT

mau108 : I haven't had the reboot problem yet, I have my modem connected to the router so this morning I just unplugged the modem to router wire and hooked up my pc connection directly to the modem and set a static ip and run dmt and works fine and dandy.

Will test it out tonight.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:58:59 EDT

Bicephale : Ha, and i keep selecting the summer time option but it
sorts of resets itself - which explains the 1 h delay...

Home > SpeedTouch > Configuration - System Configuration
Time Configuration Time Source: Automatic Date: 18-06-2008 Time: 14:00:48 Timezone: (UTC-05:00) Bogota, Lima, Quito Summer Time: No Time Since Power-on: 0 days, 0:30:50 Time Server 1: time.chu.nrc.ca Time Server 2: time.nrc.ca

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:56:05 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

No 'ChangLog' file here neither but here's what i've found...

I powered up my computer a few minutes ago, then i tried
to launch 'DMT v7.35' and the unit's logs show it just went
through a "KERNEL Warm restart"... That's not a 1st time,
i often noticed that behaviour (captured below), recently:

Home > SpeedTouch > Event Logs

Info   Jun 18 13:36:17                     SNTP Synchronised to server: 132.246.xxx.xxx  Error   Jun 18 13:36:17                     SNTP Systemtime update: time setting 00:06:19 > new time setting: 13:36:17   Info          00:01:41 (since last boot)   LOGIN User Administrator logged in on [HTTP] (from 192.168.1.64)Warning          00:01:18 (since last boot)   SNTP Unable to contact server: 198.18.1.2Warning          00:00:47 (since last boot)   PPP link up (Internet) [206.53.xxx.xxx]   Info          00:00:47 (since last boot)   PPP PAP Authenticate Ack received   Info          00:00:47 (since last boot)   PPP PAP Authenticate Request sent   Info          00:00:46 (since last boot)   PPP PAP Authenticate Request sent   Info          00:00:42 (since last boot)   LOGIN User logged in on TELNET (192.168.1.64)   Info          00:00:37 (since last boot)   xDSL linestate up (ITU-T G.992.1; downstream: 6016 kbit/s, upstream: 512 kbit/s; output Power Down: 19.5 dBm, Up: 11.5 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 39.0 dB, Up: 27.0 dB; snr Margin Down: 17.5 dB, Up: 21.0 dB)Warning          00:00:21 (since last boot)   DHCS server up   Info          00:00:20 (since last boot)   FIREWALL event (1 of 1): deleted rules   Info          00:00:20 (since last boot)   FIREWALL level changed to Standard.  Error          00:00:14 (since last boot)   FIREWALL exact tcp state check (1 of 1): Protocol: TCP Src ip: 192.168.1.64 Src port: 3739 Dst ip: 192.168.1.254 Dst port: 23   Info          00:00:14 (since last boot)   FIREWALL event (1 of 1): modified rules   Info          00:00:14 (since last boot)   FIREWALL event (1 of 1): created rules  Error          00:00:02 (since last boot)   [CWMP: 0:00:02.360] setting cwmp defaultsWarning          00:00:02 (since last boot)

I yet have to read from other ST owners that they observed
this phenomenon as well but it looks like Thomson released
one more 'DMT' hostile FirmWare, if one should ask me!...

ST546v6 with FW v7.4.3.2.0 ('ZZQ0AA7.432'), 2008-Jun-18 (1st part)
ST546v6 with FW v7.4.3.2.0 ('ZZQ0AA7.432'), 2008-Jun-18 (2nd part)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:33:21 EDT

TilhasBB : I have not gotten my hands on a change log. When/If I do i will post it. Bicephale is usualy on top of things with that regards.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:37:32 EDT

lorio : Is there any details on it, as of what's better on it vs the older versions of 7.4.x.x?
--
Mario

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:01:48 EDT

mau108 : Is UpNp suppose to be enabled on the modem side? I put the modem into bridge mode as I use a router but noticed upnp was enabled on the modem side and left it.

Today I morning I noticed my file/skype server going crazy and found out it was from skype but no one was on a conversation with me (i'm guessing skype was using my connection to connect someone else) this never happened before.

Can i safely disable upnp from my modem side?

Edit: I've attached a snap shot of dmt 8 hours after installing 7.4.3.2 (mine does not have AA attached to it as some of you have mentioned, although I noticed the 7.4.1.7 or what ever I had before had AA attached to it, what does that mean?)

DMT Screeny 8 hours after installing 7.4.3.2

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:34:00 EDT

Last Parade : I'm running it. seems to be pretty stable, no issues.

DMT!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:55:11 EDT

mau108 : whats changed in 7.4.3.2?

anyone test it?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:47:26 EDT

Bicephale : Try this search link:

»/nsearch?q=Spe···ch+99+ms

;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:41:58 EDT

Sergo : Maybe it's a little offtopic
I didn't want to make a new thread
Somehow I get very high latency from 516v6 f/w 6.2
between a computer and the modem
when doing traceroute

1 hop
=======================================================
Tracing route to 192.168.1.254 over a maximum of 30 hops
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.254
=================================================
2 hops

Tracing route to lo-0.erx.tor.primus.ca [216.254.132.30]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 29 ms 99 ms 99 ms 192.168.1.254
2 113 ms 55 ms 22 ms lo-0.erx.tor.primus.ca [216.254.132.30]
====================================================
BTW, the second hop is on fast path ADSL2
and if i use udp traceroute from the modem CLI it's ~20-30 ms
traceroute addr=216.254.132.30 type=udp
* 216.254.132.30 506614 us 125035 us
traceroute addr=216.254.132.30 type=icmp
216.254.132.30 66708 us 214038 us 34180 us

traceroute addr=192.168.1.2 type=icmp
192.168.1.2 22 us 22 us 23 us
===========================================================

192.168.1.2 is Windows XP computer (disabling Windows firewall doesn't help)

At the same time when doing speedtest.primus.ca
shows 20 ms latency!
(and I have on average 50 ms just between PC and the modem)

Any ideas?

=========
Best regards,
Sergo.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:44:52 EDT

Bicephale : "Prolly"?

No one pointed at this new addition so i'd say it's time
to remove the "sticky" status of this thread, actually...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:39:13 EDT

TilhasBB : Grabbed from
»www.speedtouchforum.de/viewtopic···faa#8355

Its timing out for some people. So i'll post it here :)

ST5x6_ZZQ2AA···.432.zip 2,627,457 bytes

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:31:43 EDT

AOD : your prolly lookin for 7.4.3.2? if so here you go
»www.speedtouchforum.de/viewtopic···faa#8355

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 08 Jun 2008 08:38:25 EDT

Bicephale : What about updates beyond v7.4.2.6?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:39:59 EDT

zajacz :

said by AOD :

does anyone have a working link for 6.1.0.5 firmware?

»mirror.opensourcehub.com/pub/spe···6.1.0.5/

»www.speedtouchforum.de/Daten/FW/···6.1.0.5/

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:09:16 EDT

AOD : does anyone have a working link for 6.1.0.5 firmware?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 20 May 2008 13:31:56 EDT

Bicephale : Good for you if the ST is more stable and maintains
a better speed; i didn't expect the SS5200 to work
well from what i read, actually. What i was trying
to give you is the means to generate 24 h Error rate
curves - which is not available as a SpeedTouch 5x6
feature. You still haven't published the statistics
from Bell's portal via your ISP's end, including the
RCO numbers, by the way! Does that mean you've given
up on trouble-shooting? I'm hoping, at least, that
you will try 'STMT' to collect objective numbers...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 20 May 2008 08:30:05 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : hey thanx again...and yes think i broke the rule of the site..so i wud like to apologize for it.
i have decided to put away ss5200 since theres not much i can do about it. st516 is running better so im gonna try do some experiment on it and see if can get better speed..will post result if i get anyting better than 1312kbps.
Thanx

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 19 May 2008 01:56:32 EDT

Bicephale : Euh...

I just realized you should start a thread of your own
since this one is meant for the Thomson SpeedTouch
line of products, i'm afraid! Perhaps it is permissible to
illustrate what the ST owners should be able to expect
from a product which cost them a hundred dollars or
so, euh... but the time has come for me to respectfully
remind you about the title... I'll be glad to meet you
there, don't worry - unless you come to a point where
we must discuss about the ST5x6/'STMT' noise curves.

:p

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 19 May 2008 01:38:14 EDT

Bicephale : I'm thinking...

It's quite possible 'DMT v9.01' doesn't provide MoDemOptions
for the SpeedStream 5200, it's built for many brands/models,
after all. I witnessed a similar phenomenon using 'DMT v2.20'
and two different GNets: the BB0060B "Trellis Coding" item
is accurately reported by its capture while with a GBB2060-Xi
it's not (and yet i can flip this option via the TelNet CLI).

It seems the 'DMT' TelNet CLI scriptor is fault tolerant as it
needs to accomodate different pieces of HardWare/FirmWare
from various manufacturers so it makes sense not to abort if
only a part of the script is broken... The one difficulty i've
noticed with 'DMT' is that sometimes the device's replies
may slip through before it could catch them and hence one
gets the impression that 'DMT' is dead. I found out that i
simply needed to click on [Refresh] to make another try at
reading those TelNet CLI replies.

The fact that you don't have a full Attenuation record is
probably due to the differences mentioned above. At this
point, it would be a good idea to call your ISP and to ask
them to get you a Line Test record from Bell's portal. It
will give us a better perspective as to what this MoDem
is good for. Later, you should do the same with your other
units since it would allow you to compare them, actually...

Once you know which brand/model provides the best RCOs it's
going to be easier to decide on what to focus your efforts.

Even if your SS5200 isn't the best solution you'll still
have the means to monitor long term noise on your phone
line. If there's a line problem that certain techniques
can cure then the SS5200+DMT noise curves will confirm it.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 19 May 2008 00:56:02 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

I was afraid it was greyed-out for a moment, as a
result of the FirmWare/HardWare versions, possibly.

I'm glad there's still hope with that particular unit!

;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 19 May 2008 00:51:50 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : ok i was able to get rxcrcerr..i dont know how but it just appeared..

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 19 May 2008 00:17:19 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : Bicephale.i cant choose Rxcrcerr cuz that thing is dead..it stays at SNRM...how do i make it alive.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 May 2008 20:42:40 EDT

Bicephale : Yes, it's time to use your SS5200 as a trouble-shooting tool!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 May 2008 14:40:49 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : sorry bicephale..i always meant to reply u..but from now on ill remember to click reply from ur thread
soo finally i got in dmt
but i dont see anything like modemotion 1 and 2
u can see the speed in the screenshot
very low...is there anything i can do here?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 May 2008 13:07:37 EDT

Bicephale : This post from MaxField might guide you somewhat:

»Re: Is it possible that Bell Nexxia favours Bell firmware?

See the SS5200 'DMT' capture...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 May 2008 12:44:59 EDT

Bicephale : TilHasBB doesn't come here often, maybe you better
address me directly. To answer your question, if
it is reasonable to assume that you're a Windows XP
user then the TelNet application is 'Hyper Terminal'
and it is found in the Communications Accessories.

The easier way to launch a TelNet session is to type
"telnet://modem-url.extension" from a Web browser...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 May 2008 12:25:23 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : i got speedsream5200ftp working...but cant find Telnet software.
where can i find that?
any idea?
thanx

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 May 2008 11:54:31 EDT

Bicephale : Euh...

By the way, TelNet is on IP port #23!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 May 2008 01:02:55 EDT

Bicephale : 'DMT v9.01', like all of the other 'DMT' builds, is
a TelNet CLI scriptor. Use the UserName/PassWord
you'd use for a TelNet CLI session. In case of more
trouble though, i think the magic word is "FTP 5200"...

In other words, don't use the UserName/PassWord which
the ISP associated to your PPPoE sessions but which the
MoDem's manufacturer associated to your DSL device.

The SpeedStream 5200 might be a special breed of MoDem/
Router but i'm confident you'll find other SS5200 'DMT'
captures around that might boost your determination...

In any case, good luck in this quest!

:)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 May 2008 01:01:20 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : [LOGINDATA]
Login = admin
Passwort = admin
IP = 192.168.254.254
Port = 80
AutoConnect = 0
startDMTiconic = 0

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 May 2008 00:19:50 EDT

DesiGuy1981 :

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 May 2008 00:15:30 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : Hi Guys im back with a good news lol..
i finally got my speedstream 5200 working as a router;)
but again theres a problem with dmt tool
currently im using this dmt
* DMT v9.01 - Windows2000/XP/Vista - Windows95/98/ME

SpeedStream 4100/4200/5100/5200, Teledat 302/430

o Revision History: ChangeLog 01.06.2007

o Anmerkung: DMT Version ist Annex A & B kompatibel;
Telnet-Zugang muß bei einigen Geräten freigeschaltet werden (z.B. Teledat)

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the problem is i cant connect it. can one of u tell me how i can connect to dmt here?..im attaching a screenshot..
i even try wrriting my user name and passwrd from my ISP...but still no go.
thanx guys..

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 14 May 2008 20:21:23 EDT

dslgr : OK, I think we got confused here, so I hope the above diagram will clear things out. :)

As you can see at the setup, there is a different device for the adsl and a different device for the telephones.

Now, the ISDN splitter either consists of a high-pass filter (adsl output) and a low-pass filter (phone output) or just a low-pass filter (phone output) with the signal at the adsl output unfiltered, without having any problems at all (the router handles the situation as it should).

When I have my NT1 device connected into the loop, I get instantly a decrease of about 5db in my upstream SNRM, which means there is "noise" coming from that NT1 in frequencies that it shouldn't (in the adsl upstream range) and the low pass filter is not able to cut them off.

That's why I need to change my NT1 device, or get a better filter.

PS. My adsl annex b devices are a USR 9107 and a speedtouch 536i.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 13 May 2008 14:21:23 EDT

Bicephale : You'll probably need to pay attention to the image in this post:

»Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Not to mention Alltel may be even worst, you tell me!...

:p

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 12 May 2008 21:37:54 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : hii guys..i tried and tried to get speedstream 5200 to wrok with my ISP but didnt wrk..i used this to update.»www.alltel.net/downloads/links/5200update/
but not luck..i tried bdridge mode and pppoe as well..i think im doin something wrong but jsut cant figure out wat i am doin wrong.i called primus tech to see if they can help me out but they wudnt since they dont support this modem...
so anyways..i think im out of luck..
thanx veyr much guys for all ur help.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 12 May 2008 19:20:59 EDT

Bicephale : A low-pass-filter would be great for the ISDN device but
catastrophic for the DSL one, don't you think? If you
filter-out the DSL signal, the MoDem just won't sync...

Usually, the filter isn't installed ahead of the DSL unit:
it filters non-voice frequencies, ahead of ordinary phone
equipment. A filter meant to be installed in front of
your ISDN-compatible MoDem that filters out the ISDN part
without affecting the DSL part would be unselective and/or
introduce excessive distortion using analog components.

This situation calls for digital techniques and that's
exactly how the DSL MoDem works, hence my suggestion that
you simply need to find a more selective DSL device.

;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 12 May 2008 02:11:14 EDT

dslgr : Actually that's what I have in mind, a low pass filter that would allow ISDN signals to pass and cut off frequencies above, that could interfere with the adsl upstream.

I am using one (with analog components) at the moment, like everyone else with an adsl over isdn line, in order for the NT1 device (and with it the telephone) to work. All I need is one of better quality. Is it possible? I'll find out when I try it. :)

It's true that ISDN and DSL bands are close, although after looking once again at the illustration you posted above, I saw a difference that I hadn't spotted in the first place, which is the range of the ISDN signal.

Here in Greece we have 2B1Q ISDN and not 4B3T, which means the ISDN signal goes up to 80kHz and not 120kHz as the illustration shows.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 11 May 2008 20:29:17 EDT

Bicephale : I'm afraid a low-pass filter isn't the fix you had
in mind unless your house wiring is acting like an
A.M. radio antenna. The ISDN and DSL bands are so
close i doubt a filter made of analog components is
even possible, actually. The MoDem is responsible
for ISDN rejection: because of ISDN you lose all bins
below 37, i believe, and digital filtering does the
rest. If ISDN signals are a problem then the most
practical solution would be to try another device...

Godd luck in your quest towards a better service!

:)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 11 May 2008 20:11:04 EDT

dslgr : Thank you for the diagram. I will keep it for future reference when I find the time to start my filter project.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 11 May 2008 17:03:48 EDT

Bicephale : Oups again!

It's a high-pass filter you'd need to cut ISDN noise...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 11 May 2008 16:22:31 EDT

Bicephale : Oups!

The graphic at the bottom of the .PDF document
shows that this is a low-pass filter capable of
rejecting most of the ISDN band and also beyond,
including your DSL signal!... Perhaps, if you're
very lucky, some manufacturer may have a band-
pass filter on his shelves that rejects ISDN only...

:o

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 11 May 2008 16:10:24 EDT

Bicephale : Oh, i found it:

»Re: A wire is a wire is a wire

:D

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 11 May 2008 16:05:41 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

Based on TerTech's own post in the other thread
i considered that the curve on our side of the
Atlantic may happen to be slighty lower and this
is why i devaluated your maximum attainable speed
should you live around here. There has to be room
for variance, in any case, so i guess that you'd
still be justified to hope for 10 Mbps. Perhaps
i got something to help you filter the ISDN band:
it's from a European guy, probably a neighbour...

Do you think 60 dB rejection @ 40 KHz would be OK?

If so, see the filter circuit shown in this post:

»Re: Is there life after the SpeedTouch?

The original .PDF document lies around, somewhere
in a post from Old Computer. His profile follows:

»/profile/615397

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 11 May 2008 14:28:51 EDT

dslgr : It's true that increasing adsl popularity, increases crosstalk and therefore reduces rates.

Up to a point that is, since imo we can't blame crosstalk for everything (after all, a network should be optimized and should follow the standards, thus the rate hit by crosstalk should be under control and in the acceptable range).

But in my case, crosstalk is not an issue. Taking the NT1 out of the loop, gets my upstream high up to where it should have been in the first place.

Looking at the graph above, I guess my speed would be close to what I have here, if I lived in your area.

Now for that router and its settings that got 1,7Mbps with 78db attenuation, since we currently have no extra info, all I can say is that this is not a common thing to see.

As for DesiGuy1981, I agree with you, that he could get around 2Mbps, if all things worked at maximum efficiency.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 11 May 2008 13:24:42 EDT

Bicephale : Euh...

Here's where i refered to John Bullas for the 1st time:

»ThoughtFood

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 11 May 2008 13:15:32 EDT

Bicephale : Ho DSLGr,

We're seeing more and more degradation cases where the
customer complains that his UpStream speed is lower than
it used to be. In my opinion, Cross-Talk would explain
this situation easily if we could accept that DSL has
gained popularity through time - which means Cross-Talk
levels must have increased a great deal during the last few
years. In my region, the phone company is using strudy
flat copper pairs to bring our DSL signal from the pole
to the house, that's where some progress can be made: i
showned it by turning a noisy & slightly unstable 4032/800
Kbps FastPath access into a quiet & stable 6016/512 Kbps
InterLeaved one using shielding and some RFI control...

The previous ADSL graph is for the 1st generation DSL
service, i believe ADSL2+ would have twice as many bins,
e.g. 512 bins instead of 256. By the way, did you try
to force your MoDem to negociate ADSL v1 only? That's
not going to solve your problem definitively but the
additional stability that it might bring would be one
more clue to guide you in the right direction... Sorry,
i don't see how to help you other than to mention that
TerTech is using a SpeedTouch with FirmWare v6.1.0.5.0
('ZZQOAA6.105') in combination with 'DMT' MoDemOptions.
The same person also shown me where his DSL device is
located on the graph by John Bullas (from Flickr site)
and i'm afraid that your speed might be even worst if
you were living around here, according to the curves;
DesiGuy1981, on the other hand, can expect up to 2M5
bps unless TerTech's unit is marginal. I wish i knew
what MoDem John Bullas tested to read 1M7 bps @ 78 dB
but i don't suppose he kept a record of that...

Have a nice day!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 11 May 2008 11:30:45 EDT

dslgr : The illustration you presented is correct, with the addition that the downstream goes up to 2200kHz. Tone 32 (138kHz) to 64 (276kHz) for upstream and 64 to 512 (2200kHz) for downstream.

You are also correct about the fact that a trade-off (especially in the upstream rate) is not preferable and that one solution is expensive filtering circuits.

I've searched the internet extensively for a high quality filter that could cut the "noise" that my NT1 is injecting into my line in frequencies that it shouldn't, but unfortunately, although I tried a couple of splitters, I couldn't get one that does the job. My next move will be to try to construct one myself, when I find the time.

Changing that crappy device for a newer model would possibly make things better too, but that's not an option atm, so for now I've decided to live with it.

For your question now, because I am fairly new with the forum and I haven't been used to following lots of threads easily, could you provide me with some details regarding the graph?

From what I get, you are looking for a router's chipset that could provide a DS rate of around 2Mbps, for a 78db attenuated line? Where does that graph data come from?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 11 May 2008 11:23:10 EDT

dslgr : If DesiGuy1981's modem readings are correct (which we can't take for granted), then my guess is that the Remote Tx Power is lower than it should, due to misconfigured power profile at the CO DSLAM (you also use the word exchange for it if I'm not mistaken?) or bad ISP network topology.

There's a reason PSD (Power Spectrum Density) masks are being applied and that is mainly to reduce crosstalk among lines in the same bundle.

If all things worked as they should then, by ADSL-standard definition, the Maximum Nominal Aggregate Transmit Power for the Downstream is, as you correctly said, 20dbm and for the Upstream 13dbm.

That means that in a properly configured providers network, for DesiGuy1981's case, there should be room for a signal power increase, leading to an increased downstream rate. But unfortunately, as it seems, since the call has already been made, that's not the case here. :uhh:

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 09 May 2008 21:55:00 EDT

Bicephale : I don't want to minimize your problems, i just think
that the ADSL2+ protocol probably serves you right
under these circumstances.  You mentioned being on
ADSL2+ Annex B, here's the illustration i could get:

You may have to use relatively expensive filtering
circuits to reject the ISDN band as it is closer to
the DSL band.  Perhaps you should ask your provider
to do the tweaking for you:  for example, request a
change to 9984 Kbps/512 Kbps if they don't mind...

Euh...  But i read that you want to win on all bets
so that won't work for you i'm afraid!  So, if no
trade-off is possible on the software side then you
are left with your phone wiring.  Anything you can
improve?  Still in the HardWare department, i have
this riddle for you.  The answer might point at a
solution which many of us might also benefit from:

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 09 May 2008 21:41:55 EDT

Bicephale : Remote Transmit Power is 20 dB or so when the line is
fine, it's negociated to a lower value because there's
a bottleneck located somewhere on the line, i believe.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 09 May 2008 21:38:25 EDT

Bicephale : Hi DesiGuy1981,

I don't know about dslgr but i was as professional
as any other user when i subscribed to DSL for the
1st time so i'd like to help you save the time and
frustration if i can.  You don't have to embrace a
learning curve as steep as mine was, just consider
that the existing 3rd-party trouble-shooting tools
will help you to acquire a proper understanding of
the situation.  'DMT' is the most popular, use the
version corresponding to your MoDem, if supported.

My favourite trouble-shooting tool is the 24 h CRC
Error ("noise") curves generated by a GNet BB0060B
using 'DMT v2.20';  those from an Efficient SS4200
with generic FirmWare combined to 'DMT v9.01' seem
even better but i haven't tried that one just yet.

:p

Typical SNR Margins are approximative as they vary
throughout the day, sometimes they're even totally
paradoxal.  See for yourself by reading this post:

SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :), Bicephale, 2007-Dec-11

According to the record shown above, it's possible
to register normal SNR Margins during a disruption
and then to read mediocre values once the noise is
gone!  Of course, some people here will argue that
my GNet was faulty but my reply to them is that it
must be a self-healing GNet then!  The same people
will brag around about the SpeedTouch which didn't
provide any "noise" curve at all until i asked the
author of 'STMT' to include this function;  try it
if you have no alternative but be warned that i've
catched my ST resetting its counters unexpectedly.

Anyway, i suggest you keep in mind that trade-offs
are required while tweaking and that you shouldn't
rely on SNR Margins (static numbers) only:  try to
gather stable feedback from a mix of RCO figures &
long term CRC Error rate curves as you toy around.

;)

Now, here's what i mean by 3Com:  "3Com USR-910x".

That's a MoDem brand/model and the D-Link DSL2320B
has an equivalent Spectral Shaping capability.  My
underlying thought, i must confess, is that i'd be
more optimistic if you could use other HardWare!!!

Only three units are known to do Spectral Shaping,
only one of them got its tweaking abilities tested
(GNet's BB0060B) and this item was discontinued so
you probably won't find one of those in your local
electronics store.  As i wrote before, practically
no interest could ever be raised relatively to the
Spectral Shaping topic and all we got to gather an
overall picture of this feature is my own numbers.

In other words, you may end being your own guru...

:uhh:

Congratulations, the average unsatisfied DSL users
would rather switch to cable than enter this quest
alone!  Phone companies like to lower profiles, it
isn't profitable to send skilled technicians every
time a customer complains and 3rd-party ISPs don't
give orders to them:  at best they open "tickets".

:huh:

Normally, only you can pinpoint wiring problems or
evaluate devices in search for the ideal candidate
and there's no garantee you'll succeed in the end.

Phone companies like Bell would go bankrupt should
they compete with cable via pre-emptive techniques
such as systematic twisted-pair wiring, shielding,
RFI control by using ferrite toroids if necessary,
and, why not, on-site DSL unit tweaking (if it can
support it - which it doesn't, usually)!  I may be
mistaking but it looks like Bell and others chosen
distributed filtering over existing phone cabling,
in hope that the subscribers would be satisfied to
finance the next fight (with help from ADSL2+ when
the time has come).  I bet our forum didn't become
so popular because the phone guys guessed right...

Their plan left a few customers behind, welcome to
your new DSL neighbourhood!  After a while it will
feel like amateur radio:  the hobby makes us busy.

:o

Well, i don't want to end my message on a negative
note so i added captures to boost your motivation:

Now, imagine if we knew the answer to this riddle:

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 09 May 2008 10:48:41 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : than bicelphale..i wonder whats a 3com? is it a software like DMT? if it is how can i download it?
r u suggesting me to download U.S.ROBOTICS software? i can give it a try...
i luv readin wat u guys write but the only problem is u guys use so professional wrds that so go over my head..lol
im very new on this..so plz bare with me. thanx again both of u..i do appreciate ur help.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 09 May 2008 08:44:05 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : thans dslgr..ill call my ISP and ask em to increase TX power..im not too sure if they wud do anything...when i complained about the speed..they said theres nothing they can do..but if i want i can cancel the account with no charge...apparently i signed a contract with emf or a year..
thanx aagin..and yes i wish too that u can do some test for my line..lol

UPDATE: The primus tech support does not even know about Remote tx power. so they cudnt help.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 08 May 2008 21:53:53 EDT

dslgr : Well my line has its problems too. After all, that's what got me into this tweaking expendition I started some time ago. If everything worked as it should, then I probably wouldn't look any further.

First of all my line is up to 24Mbps/1Mbps, which for me that I live about 2,5-3km away from the CO, means that I get to enjoy about half of that. My line is ADSL2+ over ISDN (annex b), rate adaptive with a target SNRM of 9db for the downstream.

It usually synchronizes around 10-11Mbps DS and 650-700kbps US. I should have been able to have 1Mbps upstream but that's where my second problem arises. The upstream takes a big hit, mostly from my NT1 device (the device where the phones connect in a ISDN line). That's why I was looking for a spectral shaping solution, but unfortunately haven't been able to find one till now.

Wish I could do some tests for DesiGuy1981, but as you have already said, our lines are disproportionate. :uhh:

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 08 May 2008 20:19:28 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

Perhaps there's next to nothing to tweak on your side
simply because nothing is really broken as some of us
around here would consider 24 Mbps with pure envy!...

DesiGuy1981 would be lucky if could get 2496 Kbps;  if
he were the one with a 3Com, i'd recommend him that he
tries an UpStream band starting with bin 6, 7 or 8 and
ending with bin 14.  This should limit the UpStream
signal to 256 Kbps or so and then, maybe, he would be
allowed to dream of a DownStream speed of 2496 Kbps...

I expect the DownStream starting bin to be somewhere
between 32 and 36 and i find it even more improper to
guess what the ending bin should be but lets put it
in the 70 to 248 range.  Most unfortunately, your own
DSL signal doesn't compare with that of DesiGuy1981 so
i'd rather not draw definitive conclusions from future
tests:  i've learned to be carefull with predictions, not to
mention i found no gain/bit-loading CLI commands neither.

:hmm:

I suppose a Bell technician wouldn't raise his profile
unless there's a strong basis to request it anyway.

Fingers crossed...

:uhh:

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 08 May 2008 19:01:33 EDT

dslgr : @Bicephale first of all, I would like to thank you for the comprehensive post you've made above.

I can see your excitement for the USR's tweaking capabilities, as it matches mine, the first time I realized I could "play" with my line and try to get it to reach its limits.

Sadly though, my initial expectations weren't met and that's why I asked you in my previous post if there was something more besides tone selection, that could have slipped my mind.

I agree that tone selection is a nice feature but imo it can't compare with the tweaking options the GNet, for example, has to offer, which you are very familiar with, as you made the best out of them.

From what I gained from my experience, there's not much tweaking you can do and benefit from it. It's straight forward really, you just select which tones to use and I have "played" both with the cli --tones parameters and with the GUI too. Eventually I realized that besides the extra parameters, it gives you the exact same results.

Reading that the cli command lets you specify the starting tone used in the upstream and downstream direction, and the number of tones in each, my mind went at once to spectral shaping. And with spectral shaping I mean something like that. Unfortunately there's no such option, or at least I couldn't make it work. Regardless of the bitmap I sent to the router, it just masked some tones and didn't change the spectrum.

The only use I could find for the tone selection feature is if you have some kind of RFI which you can't avoid and which hits at random time and in specific frequencies. With tone selection you could exclude those problematic tones, so you won't have to worry if the RFI is on or not, leaving your line steady in all cases.

In your post, you mention another benefit from it, which I hadn't really considered and that's the reduction of internal crosstalk. I probably didn't think of it because I value the upstream rate too much (and it already has a hit, as an annex b line, and from my crappy NT1 device), to sacrifice it for a bit more downstream, but I would be more than glad to give it a try first chance and present you with some results.

In fact, if you like, you could give me specific parameters you would like me to test (like specific tones, ranges and such). The only problem is that I can't really give you longterm statistics (such as crc errors in days uptime) because unfortunately my line is not so stable. With the ST I will probably have a drop every one or two days, which doesn't really bother me, but with the USR, that number goes up to 4-5 a day, so you see I can't collect enough data.

Those are my thoughts for now. I will be waiting for a response while getting the USR out of the drawer. Hope there's more to do with it.

Greetings from Greece and a fellow tweaker.

Thank you.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 08 May 2008 18:51:11 EDT

dslgr : @DesiGuy1981 apparently, there was no positive outcome from the changes you've made with DMT. Unfortunately, it is a tough situation, taking into account the very high attenuation your line has, but I understand your efforts to get the max out of it.

The only thing I can think of, is to ask from your ISP if they can increase the Remote Tx Power, from their side. Doing so will give you another boost for sure, considering that there should be at least another 4dbm room for increase (in order to reach 19dbm in total).

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 08 May 2008 14:45:56 EDT

Bicephale : Good luck with your week-end tweaks!

;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 08 May 2008 14:43:46 EDT

Bicephale : Hi dslgr,

Thank you very much for offering some feedback about your
3Com USR-9107:  Spectral Shaping made on a per-tone basis
and via a GUI as above certainly stimulates my curiosity!!!

The US Robotics SureConnect 9105 CLI Command List refers
to some "--tones" parameters but i'll confess that i find
the GUI a lot more intuitive;  DesiGuy1981 would be able
to explore real options should this be available to him,
no doubt.  I've been hoping to meet with a pioneer who's
willing to test the 3Com's Spectral Shaping abilities for
quite a while so here's how that's supposed to work.  In
short, the idea is to use as few UpStream bins as possible
so that the output level will generate less local noise;
it would seem even better if you could adjust the bin's
weight on an idividual basis as well but it will have to
do...  My post titled "GNet Tweaking" illustrates how one
can control the DownStream/UpStream speeds on his GNet:

GNet Tweaking, Bicephale, 2008-Feb-18

You may not have a "Bits-per-Bin" option but weak tones
can be disabled individually, on the other hand.  Tweaks
like this don't "boost" the speeds without taking their
toll:  be prepared to settle for a trade-off where you
let go some performance on one hand to gain on another.

Usually, equal RCO numbers confirm that a fair bablance
has been reached;  i shown some examples in this thread:

Tweaks, Bicephale, 2007-Aug-27

One other indicator to keep an eye on is the CRC Error
rate:  you're making real progress if it's brought down
consistently - and i mean the numbers need to be sampled
over days instead of minutes...  My own case, which you
mentioned so nicely, demonstrated how trouble-shooting
can help and what an appropriate fix may look like.  At
the moment, my RCOs are near 85 % (DS)/87 % (US) and an
SS4200 can make it even lower at 59 % (DS)/73 % (US)!!!

In conclusion, there's hope but the DSL customers are
on their own;  they need to develop patience and to earn
new skills - which begins with concepts grasping and i
think "Internal Cross-Talk" is one that falls well into
this category.  I just gave up relatively to the Thomson
SpeedTouch, though.  My impression was that 'DMT' worked
better with the v5 line but i abandoned all hopes one
dozen FirmWares later so i'd rather not comment further
on its theoretical tweaking abilities...  To be honest,
the tweaker's dream machine must be lying elsewhere!...

I find that the site's old timers overlooked the tweak
topics for too long, my attempts to raise interest over
this have failed miserably but there's a product similar
to the 3Com which supports bin-per-bin Spectral Shaping:
it's from D-Link and the exact model number is DSL2320B!

Various DSL modems, Bicephale, 2007-Sep-18

This GUI sure feels a bit familiar to yours, doesn't it?...

Once again, thank you!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 07 May 2008 20:03:41 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : hi dslgr..thanx for ur reply
heres some snapshots...
i have changed th firmware to v6.1.0.5
Bicephale..ill try to hook up speedstream 5200 over the weekend..thats when ill have mroe time to play around with it..thanx again all for ur time..

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 07 May 2008 11:27:00 EDT

Angelo_ : on the 3com no tweaks

ADSL Information
Internet Downstream Internet Upstream
SNR Margin (dB): 10.9 17.0
Attenuation (dB): 61.0 31.5
Output Power (dBm): 11.9 18.1
Line Speed (Kbps): 3840 964
Rate (Kbps): 3008 512

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 07 May 2008 11:03:42 EDT

dslgr : @DesiGuy1981 try clicking the "Option 2" checkbox under the noise margin bar and then hit the "apply / resynch" button.

It supposedly activates the power cutback on the ST, decreasing internal crosstalk and lowering the upstream rate in favor of the downstream. I say supposedly because even the creator of DMT Tool, doesn't really know if it works or not. Some users said it did work, some said it did nothing. Probably it has to do with the fw, the DSLAM, etc.

The latest fw that works 100% with DMT Tool is the 6.1.0.5.

What's the situation with the modemoption 2 tab? Is there an option to increase the Register 0D, Register 0E bars? They supposedly (once again no guaranteed results) increase the Remote TX Power, which in your case probably has some room for improvement.

Register 0E is for use with firmwares under 6.1.0.5 and Register 0D is for the 6.1.0.5. You could try, at your own risk of course (imo there's no risk at all, but I have to state it nevertheless), to fiddle with those bars. When you move them, return to the modemoption tab and hit the "apply /resynch" button in order for the change to take effect.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 07 May 2008 10:07:05 EDT

dslgr : Hi, first post here. Nice to meet you all.

I am from Greece and I have an up to 24Mbps/1Mbps adsl (annex B) line. I have two different routers, a Speedtouch 536i and a USR-9107. I am currently using the ST because it functions a little better with my "medium to high" attenuated (37db downstream) line. It seems to be more stable than the USR, especially with the 7.4.1.7 fw.

I have the USR handy too though, so I think I could help with providing some input, while trying to tweak it.

Bicephale I see you are referring to extensive tweaking with the USR. Would you like to elaborate on that? Apart from setting the target DS SNRM, I have been able to find "tone selection" too (both via telnet and web configurator), which is a nice feature for sure, but is this all you are talking about or is there more from where this came from?

Btw, I've read your previous posts about line tweaking and I would like to congratulate you on a job well done.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 06 May 2008 15:16:28 EDT

Bicephale : N.B.:

By "fairly large" toroid i mean 2+ inches.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 06 May 2008 15:10:52 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

I'd like to see how 3Com USR-9108 tweaking would perform
in this case (it's supported by 'DMT v8.x', according to
ggpr) but you have a "locked" SS5200 instead. Well, the
Bell MoDems will operate as "dumb" units by default if i
am not mistaking. Install it in front of a router of use
the Windows MiniWAN adapter to manage your PPPoE session
externally and the MoDem should work in "bridge" mode...

If that works (i'm no SpeedStream owner myself) you must
find out what HardWare version you've got before anything
else. Once that is done the magic word will be "unlock"
but those discussions are most probably required to occur
in the background (privately). As for Spectral Shaping,
the only thing that might be close enough is a ferrite
choke installed on the MoDem's phone/WAN input. With a
DownStream band this tiny my bet is that you have to use
a fairly large toroid to be able to wrap as much as tenty
some turns of RJ-45 phone cable around it. You won't be
able to affect the UpStream band but this may eliminate
a few weak DownStream bins near A.M. interfering signals.

Euh...

Cross you fingers that an SS5200 with some RF choking does
improve your RCO figures! In absence of real Spectral
Shaping festures that's all i can think of right now.

:p

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 06 May 2008 10:12:30 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : just want to let u know with DMT..i was able to boost the speed by more than 50%..if u see my first snapshot..i was only getting 600 kbps downstream...but nop i get about 1344...which is preety good...the only thing im trying to do is if i can lower the upstream...that mite boost the downstream may be a littel bit...that wud be a good achievement.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 06 May 2008 08:22:05 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : ok im gonna give it a try using ss5200..bu do i need any kinda firmware to wkr with primus cuz i bought it from bella yr ago or so...if yes..where cna i get the firmware and uploader?
wat wud be the setting i have to use?
thanx very much for ur help..

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 06 May 2008 01:59:24 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

As i wrote, the v5 SpeedTouch FirmWare was said to
react to NoiseMargin tweaks using 'DMT v7.x' but i've
never been able to make it work for myself: my results
seemed to have random effects, you'll need to talk to
the Aussie gurus who worked on this feature! As for
what else can be tweaked, i'm afraid you just have no
control over Bit Loading nor can you delimit the Bins.

The 3Com USR-9108 seemed to offer extensive Spectral
Shaping but i always failed to get relevant input from
people using this brand/model. TurboCom EA130 clones
like my GNet do allow me to gain a couple dBs here and
there but it's now obsolete. It's always been hard to
make progress in this arena so, as a consequence, the
tweak topics were almost static over the last 3 years...

In any case, a DownStream SNR Margin of only 3.5 dB is
marginal and an RCO of 89 % only makes that worst. I
believe it would help should Bell happen to tame down
your UpStream speed to something like 512 Kbps or less
because it's not the same to have 800 Kbps @ 12 dBm
while the DownStream Attenuation is negligible than
when your Attenuation is Paramount. It's like someone
located many feet away wants to whisper a secret to
your ear hoping you can catch it through headphones
playing groovy hard rock. Perhaps if the equalizer is
set to keep only the bass below 20 Hz you'll hear some
voice, otherwise forget it. An UpStream signal of 832
Kbps @ 12 dBm while DownStream Attenuation is 60+
dB is groovy hard rock against whispers: possibly,
it will mix with the DownStream signal and produce all
sorts of nuisance...

Try to borrow a SpeedStream 4200, preferably the type
with a generic FirmWare. In my personal experience,
it improved my RCO in a major way compared to the ST
or GNet devices. There's been very good/convincing
'DMT' captures posted for the SS4200, i can't say the
same about the SS5200 though. Some ISPs like VelCom,
TekSavvy and a few others will "pull" statistics from
their end if you give them a call asking for numbers. I
suggest you do that with your SS5200 on-line, 'DMT'
or not this might allow you to make some progress but
a line "move" will be in order, in the end, i'm afraid...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 05 May 2008 21:08:07 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : Graphic image..

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 05 May 2008 19:58:51 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : ok i was able downgrade v5 firmware..wat else can i do here?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 05 May 2008 08:54:37 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thanx Bicephale for ur time..
i did try to downgrade the v5 firmware but the modem wudnt take it..i was trying the same way i downgraded the v6..but it wudnt..
how can i lower the UpStream speed?
i have speedstream 5200..i bought it form bell sympatico..can i use that modem instead..?
thanx again for ur help.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 05 May 2008 03:17:22 EDT

Bicephale : Oups!

I guess i should have used "Spectral Shaping": it's less confusing.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 05 May 2008 03:05:22 EDT

Bicephale : If you need to explore whatever was left of tweaking
abilities in the ST5x6v6 then you'd better downgrade
to a v5 FirmWare. This is an undocumented feature,
you might gather some tips on the WhirlPool site but
i wouldn't want to give you false hopes. This thread
seems very long but that doesn't mean we succeded
getting any relevant results... Quite frankly, i'd try an
Efficient SpeedStream 4200 box instead of investing
time into this (this is what i'd do myself right now
but i'm starting to contemplate cable). Other models
do provide real bandwidth shaping abilities, this isn't
the case here. If you could, i'd recommend to lower
the UpStream speed in hope the device would inject
less noise locally but that's not possible in your case.

You're stuck with alternatives like to clean the wiring
and/or to install ferrite chokes, praying that it helps.

:uhh:

I'm sorry to sound so pessimistic but if you've read the
whole thread carefully then you should have noticed that
you can thank Thomson for your misery: the FirmWare is
designed by Europeans for European businesses and they
target SNR Margin thresholds instead of speed. Too bad.

I'd like to have fresh new brands/models to suggest that
support extensive tweaking features but it's been a very
long time since i heard of such products and they were
never too popular anyway. Perhaps the only thing which
makes sense here is to suggest you ask to be moved to a
closer whatever-how-they-call-that-thing so, good luck!

:huh:

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 05 May 2008 00:34:56 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : y does it say firwmware error and no graph? wat m i doing wrong?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 04 May 2008 23:46:11 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : ok i had to change the modem software from v6.2.17.5/ to v6.1.9.6/ and now im able to get modemoption window and i was able to boost the speed up a littel bit as u can see in the snapshop...but i m not sure how to configure this thing..how can i make speed better? target noise margin i borught it down to minimum..hope it doesnt kill the modem but thats how i got the speed 1312 kbps..if i bring it up the speed goes down...
wat else can i do here...
and thanx very muhc for ur help friend..

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 04 May 2008 21:16:17 EDT

Bicephale : No, 'DMTv7.35.ini' doesn't look anything close to that...

Maybe you should just re-install and use as i suggested.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 04 May 2008 20:37:37 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : did u mean this?

13:24:05 - DMT_RX> adsl info

Modemstate : Up
xDSL Type : ADSL
Bandwidth (Down/Up - kbit/s) : 896/832
Uptime (days hh:mm:ss) : 0 days, 0:09:47

{Administrator}=>
13:24:05 - DMT_TX> adsl info expand=enabled
13:24:05 - DMT_RX> adsl info expand=enabled

Modemstate : Up
xDSL Type : ADSL
xDSL Standard : ITU-T G.992.1
xDSL Annex : Annex A
Channel Mode : Interleaved
Uptime (days hh:mm:ss) : 0 days, 0:09:48

Number of resets : 4

Total Available Bandwidth Cells/s kbit/s
Downstream : 2113 896
Upstream : 1962 832

Intrinsic/Actual and Maximum Bandwidth % kbit/s
Downstream : 90 992
Upstream : 92 896

Bearer Generic Info Downstream Upstream
Margin (dB) : 7.5 8.0
Attenuation (dB) : 61.0 31.5
OutputPower (dBm) : 14.5 11.5

Vendor Chipset Local Remote
Country : B5 FF
Vendor : BDCM GSPN
VendorSpecific : 0000 0800
StandardRevisionNr : 00 01
Vendor System
Country : 0F 00
Vendor : TMMB ----
VendorSpecific : 3C61 0000
StandardRevisionNr : 00 00

Transfer statistics
Errors
Received FEC : 166
Received CRC : 0
Received HEC : 0
Transmitted FEC : 0
Transmitted CRC : 0
Tranmsitted HEC : 0

Near end failures since reset
Loss of frame : 0 failures
Loss of signal : 0 failures
Loss of power : 0 failures
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures last 15 minutes
Loss of frame : 0 seconds
Loss of signal : 0 seconds
Loss of power : 0 seconds
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures current day
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures previous day
Errored seconds : 0 seconds
{Administrator}=>
13:24:05 - DMT_TX> adsl debug bitloadinginfo
13:24:06 - DMT_RX> adsl debug bitloadinginfo
Tone : # Bits per tone
0 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 7 8 9
10 : 10 11 11 12 12 12 12 13 13 12
20 : 12 12 10 11 11 10 10 9 8 0
30 : 0 0 0 8 9 9 10 10 10 10
40 : 10 10 2 10 10 10 9 8 8 7
50 : 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 4
60 : 5 4 4 4 0 4 3 3 2 2
70 : 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
80 : 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
90 : 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
100 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
110 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
120 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
130 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
140 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
150 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
160 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
170 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
180 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
190 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
200 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
210 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
220 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
230 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
240 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
250 : 0 0 0 0 0 0

{Administrator}=>
13:24:12 - DMT_TX> adsl info
13:24:12 - DMT_RX> adsl info

Modemstate : Up
xDSL Type : ADSL
Bandwidth (Down/Up - kbit/s) : 896/832
Uptime (days hh:mm:ss) : 0 days, 0:09:55

{Administrator}=>
13:24:12 - DMT_TX> adsl info expand=enabled
13:24:13 - DMT_RX> adsl info expand=enabled

Modemstate : Up
xDSL Type : ADSL
xDSL Standard : ITU-T G.992.1
xDSL Annex : Annex A
Channel Mode : Interleaved
Uptime (days hh:mm:ss) : 0 days, 0:09:55

Number of resets : 4

Total Available Bandwidth Cells/s kbit/s
Downstream : 2113 896
Upstream : 1962 832

Intrinsic/Actual and Maximum Bandwidth % kbit/s
Downstream : 90 992
Upstream : 92 896

Bearer Generic Info Downstream Upstream
Margin (dB) : 7.5 8.0
Attenuation (dB) : 61.0 31.5
OutputPower (dBm) : 14.5 11.5

Vendor Chipset Local Remote
Country : B5 FF
Vendor : BDCM GSPN
VendorSpecific : 0000 0800
StandardRevisionNr : 00 01
Vendor System
Country : 0F 00
Vendor : TMMB ----
VendorSpecific : 3C61 0000
StandardRevisionNr : 00 00

Transfer statistics
Errors
Received FEC : 194
Received CRC : 0
Received HEC : 0
Transmitted FEC : 0
Transmitted CRC : 0
Tranmsitted HEC : 0

Near end failures since reset
Loss of frame : 0 failures
Loss of signal : 0 failures
Loss of power : 0 failures
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures last 15 minutes
Loss of frame : 0 seconds
Loss of signal : 0 seconds
Loss of power : 0 seconds
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures current day
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures previous day
Errored seconds : 0 seconds
{Administrator}=>
13:24:13 - DMT_TX> adsl debug bitloadinginfo
13:24:13 - DMT_RX> adsl debug bitloadinginfo
Tone : # Bits per tone
0 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 7 8 9
10 : 10 11 11 12 12 12 12 13 13 12
20 : 12 12 10 11 11 10 10 9 8 0
30 : 0 0 0 8 9 9 10 10 10 10
40 : 10 10 2 10 10 10 9 8 8 7
50 : 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 4
60 : 5 4 4 4 0 4 3 3 2 2
70 : 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
80 : 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
90 : 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
100 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
110 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
120 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
130 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
140 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
150 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
160 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
170 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
180 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
190 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
200 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
210 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
220 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
230 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
240 : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
250 : 0 0 0 0 0 0

{Administrator}=>
13:24:19 - DMT_TX> adsl info

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 04 May 2008 18:52:49 EDT

Bicephale : It's a simple ASCII text file located right where the executable lives...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 04 May 2008 14:59:04 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : how do i delet/edit?
i do have DMTV7.35..

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 04 May 2008 13:07:07 EDT

Bicephale : Here's another clue:

»Re: Thomson SpeedTouch 5x6v6 FirmWare v6.2.H (v6.2.17.5)

Did you delete/edit 'DMTv7.35.ini'?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 04 May 2008 00:26:44 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : i even tried router..but same thing...cant get the modemoption:(

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 03 May 2008 23:43:17 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : no it doesnt..i dont hav router...well i do have router but im just not using it now..i can connect it with the modem if that do any good?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 03 May 2008 23:24:51 EDT

Bicephale : So... This doesn't work?:

»Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 03 May 2008 23:08:03 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : thanx for the reply scoop but i cant check or unchek the experimental area..its dead..

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 03 May 2008 16:05:46 EDT

Scoop : At the top of the screen click on Special. Then misc. options and then unlock experimental area.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 03 May 2008 14:45:59 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : how can i get modemoption window?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 03 May 2008 01:21:31 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : SpeedTouch 516 (pots) eth=SINGLE
board_name=BANT-V companyID=ALCL
flash_image=6.2.17.5.0 build_name=ZZQ0FF6.2H5
bcm96338_V1.0.156_ADSL_PHY_A2pBT009j.d18

Number of resets : 4

Errors
Received FEC : 0
Received CRC : 0
Received HEC : 0
Transmitted FEC : 0
Transmitted CRC : 0
Tranmsitted HEC : 0

Near end failures since reset
Loss of frame : 0 failures
Loss of signal : 0 failures
Loss of power : 0 failures
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures last 15 minutes
Loss of frame : 0 seconds
Loss of signal : 0 seconds
Loss of power : 0 seconds
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures current day
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures previous day
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

DSL-Link Uptime : 0 days, 0:00:01

Gap1 276kHz-280kHz (Tone64) Pilot
Maximum cpu load: 0%
Minimum cpu load: 0%
Average cpu load: 0%
Current cpu load: 0%.

CHIP memory
total used free min (in KB)
0 0 0 0
-----------------------------------
Application memory
total used free min (in KB)
8133 4893 3240 3177
-----------------------------------
RTEMS workspace
total used free (in KB)
799 601 198

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 03 May 2008 00:32:24 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : my speed went up a littel bit i dont know how..but it did..

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 03 May 2008 00:23:49 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : ok guys heres the first attemp...wat do i do here? as u can see my speed is not more than 500 kb/s...Primus said i wud get up to 7mbit but its not happening..
wat can i do here? can sum1 suggest sumthing plz
thanx

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 May 2008 23:33:15 EDT

DesiGuy1981 : hii everyone..
i read read read and read some more...but didnt undestend much
rite now im wiht primus and the speed sux..have thomson speedtouch516v6 modem..can sum1 tell me wat i shud do to get better speed?
where can i start? i know i have to use dmt software..how do i update the firmware?
can sum1 help me here plz?
and one more question..i have speedstream 5200 from bell aswell..is there anyway i can unlock that modem to use for prmus internet? wud that boost the speed?
thanx for any help

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:07:46 EDT

dinosoup : What are the differences between the different versions? Is v6 the best? Can you what version it is from the box? Thanks.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:56:40 EDT

ahess6488 : I didn't ignore your offer Bicephale... check the dates on these posts above and you'll see they were made well before the thread that you replied to.

I intend to follow up on all of this but life gets in the way sometimes.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:56:14 EDT

Bicephale : Hi Ahess6488,

I already replied to you that you might be able to
use 'DMT' to assist you in the trouble-shooting if
a Linux Live CD would launch on an Apple system...

I understand that you probably ignored my offer as
it is no option but you still can tweak your GNet:

Read the "Addendum" part to learn how to do it!

As for SpeedTouch FirmWare updates, you'll need to
run a TFTP Server on your OS X machine...  A quick
Google search led to this, you're on your own now:

The very 1st Google result i found:  OS X TFTP Server

Well, i wrote about that too but you don't have to
read it.  Here it is for your convenience, anyway:

The SpeedTouch "BootP Reset" recovery procedure

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:46:13 EDT

anon : I've been trying to find the latest firmware, but am unable to. I'm guessing its 7.4, does anyone have the download link?

Also, The issue that I'm having with my ST516 is that when I try to connect the PPPoE, I get an error message stating that an error occured that might be the cause of a diskspace issue. No one has seemed to have heard of this problem before, and I'm hoping that the firmware upgrade will address it.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:39:43 EDT

ahess6488 : Immediately after connecting directly to the demarc..it's the same or worse in terms of SNRM I think:

_{Administrator}=>adsl info expand=true

Modemstate : Up
xDSL Type : ADSL
xDSL Standard : ITU-T G.992.1
xDSL Annex : Annex A
Channel Mode : Fast
Uptime (days hh:mm:ss) : 0 days, 0:01:51

Number of resets : 1

Total Available Bandwidth Cells/s kbit/s
Downstream : 6339 2688
Upstream : 1735 736

Intrinsic/Actual and Maximum Bandwidth % kbit/s
Downstream : 98 2720
Upstream : 95 768

Bearer Generic Info Downstream Upstream
Margin (dB) : 5.5 6.0
Attenuation (dB) : 60.0 31.5
OutputPower (dBm) : 16.5 12.5

Vendor Chipset Local Remote
Country : B5 FF
Vendor : BDCM GSPN
VendorSpecific : 0000 0800
StandardRevisionNr : 00 01
Vendor System
Country : 0F 00
Vendor : TMMB ----
VendorSpecific : 3C61 0000
StandardRevisionNr : 00 00

Transfer statistics
Errors
Received FEC : 0
Received CRC : 4
Received HEC : 4
Transmitted FEC : 0
Transmitted CRC : 0
Transmitted HEC : 0

Near end failures since reset
Loss of frame : 0 failures
Loss of signal : 0 failures
Loss of power : 0 failures
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures last 15 minutes
Loss of frame : 0 seconds
Loss of signal : 0 seconds
Loss of power : 0 seconds
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures current day
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures previous day
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:02:34 EDT

ahess6488 : Last one..I promise. And sorry for flooding the thread with these.

I should've prefaced all of this by saying that I am a recent speedtouch 516 owner, and I made the purchase because I thought it was my old Gnet BB060A that was causing the occasional disconnects to service. Those have lessened with the 516 but from readin g this and other threads I realize the problem may have more to do with my lines.

In the stats above I realized part of the problem..I had two DSL filters on one phone. Might that have caused the crazy amount of errors compared to the results below?

I checked the wiring in the house. We have a standard old-school wire coming into the house that's been spliced with some kind of network cable (no listing of cat5, cat5e or otherwise but the stamping lists network cable?). That is further spliced to some cat 6 wiring, which is spliced to a conventional wire, which is spliced to cat5 to the modem's jack.

There are two phones in the house, a portable and a landline. I dd the 555 test and the portable seems noisy and I think may be the culprit. The landline seems ok.

Anyway here are the stats with both phones plugged in, and their respective filters in place. I have the modem nearest the jack with some cat5 cabling to the computer.

Modemstate : Up
xDSL Type : ADSL
xDSL Standard : ITU-T G.992.1
xDSL Annex : Annex A
Channel Mode : Fast
Uptime (days hh:mm:ss) : 0 days, 0:02:41

Number of resets : 1

Total Available Bandwidth Cells/s kbit/s
Downstream : 6641 2816
Upstream : 1811 768

Intrinsic/Actual and Maximum Bandwidth % kbit/s
Downstream : 98 2848
Upstream : 96 800

Bearer Generic Info Downstream Upstream
Margin (dB) : 6.0 6.0
Attenuation (dB) : 61.0 31.5
OutputPower (dBm) : 17.0 12.5

Vendor Chipset Local Remote
Country : B5 FF
Vendor : BDCM GSPN
VendorSpecific : 0000 0800
StandardRevisionNr : 00 01
Vendor System
Country : 0F 00
Vendor : TMMB ----
VendorSpecific : 3C61 0000
StandardRevisionNr : 00 00

Transfer statistics
Errors
Received FEC : 0
Received CRC : 6
Received HEC : 2
Transmitted FEC : 0
Transmitted CRC : 0
Transmitted HEC : 0

Near end failures since reset
Loss of frame : 0 failures
Loss of signal : 0 failures
Loss of power : 0 failures
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures last 15 minutes
Loss of frame : 0 seconds
Loss of signal : 0 seconds
Loss of power : 0 seconds
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures current day
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures previous day
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

I will try it directly to the demarc...would correcting the cabling (switch out the old phone line and replace with network) improve capabilities? Or do the stats say something otherwise?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:07:03 EDT

ahess6488 : And with no phones connected at all:

Modemstate : Up
xDSL Type : ADSL
xDSL Standard : ITU-T G.992.1
xDSL Annex : Annex A
Channel Mode : Fast
Uptime (days hh:mm:ss) : 0 days, 1:21:26

Number of resets : 1

Total Available Bandwidth Cells/s kbit/s
Downstream : 5735 2432
Upstream : 1735 736

Intrinsic/Actual and Maximum Bandwidth % kbit/s
Downstream : 98 2464
Upstream : 95 768

Bearer Generic Info Downstream Upstream
Margin (dB) : 1.5 6.0
Attenuation (dB) : 61.0 31.5
OutputPower (dBm) : 16.5 12.5

Vendor Chipset Local Remote
Country : B5 FF
Vendor : BDCM GSPN
VendorSpecific : 0000 0800
StandardRevisionNr : 00 01
Vendor System
Country : 0F 00
Vendor : TMMB ----
VendorSpecific : 3C61 0000
StandardRevisionNr : 00 00

Transfer statistics
Errors
Received FEC : 0
Received CRC : 6610
Received HEC : 5246
Transmitted FEC : 0
Transmitted CRC : 0
Transmitted HEC : 0

Near end failures since reset
Loss of frame : 0 failures
Loss of signal : 0 failures
Loss of power : 0 failures
Errored seconds : 65 seconds

Near end failures last 15 minutes
Loss of frame : 0 seconds
Loss of signal : 0 seconds
Loss of power : 0 seconds
Errored seconds : 40 seconds

Near end failures current day
Errored seconds : 65 seconds

Near end failures previous day
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:05:13 EDT

ahess6488 : This is with the portable phone disconnected (one wired phone, with filter, still connected)

Modemstate : Up
xDSL Type : ADSL
xDSL Standard : ITU-T G.992.1
xDSL Annex : Annex A
Channel Mode : Fast
Uptime (days hh:mm:ss) : 0 days, 1:18:52

Number of resets : 1

Total Available Bandwidth Cells/s kbit/s
Downstream : 5735 2432
Upstream : 1735 736

Intrinsic/Actual and Maximum Bandwidth % kbit/s
Downstream : 98 2464
Upstream : 95 768

Bearer Generic Info Downstream Upstream
Margin (dB) : 4.0 6.0
Attenuation (dB) : 61.0 31.5
OutputPower (dBm) : 16.5 12.5

Vendor Chipset Local Remote
Country : B5 FF
Vendor : BDCM GSPN
VendorSpecific : 0000 0800
StandardRevisionNr : 00 01
Vendor System
Country : 0F 00
Vendor : TMMB ----
VendorSpecific : 3C61 0000
StandardRevisionNr : 00 00

Transfer statistics
Errors
Received FEC : 0
Received CRC : 3302
Received HEC : 2492
Transmitted FEC : 0
Transmitted CRC : 0
Transmitted HEC : 0

Near end failures since reset
Loss of frame : 0 failures
Loss of signal : 0 failures
Loss of power : 0 failures
Errored seconds : 35 seconds

Near end failures last 15 minutes
Loss of frame : 0 seconds
Loss of signal : 0 seconds
Loss of power : 0 seconds
Errored seconds : 10 seconds

Near end failures current day
Errored seconds : 35 seconds

Near end failures previous day
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:00:20 EDT

ahess6488 : Here's my line stats using the telnet method:

Modemstate : Up
xDSL Type : ADSL
xDSL Standard : ITU-T G.992.1
xDSL Annex : Annex A
Channel Mode : Fast
Uptime (days hh:mm:ss) : 0 days, 1:13:14

Number of resets : 1

Total Available Bandwidth Cells/s kbit/s
Downstream : 5735 2432
Upstream : 1735 736

Intrinsic/Actual and Maximum Bandwidth % kbit/s
Downstream : 98 2464
Upstream : 95 768

Bearer Generic Info Downstream Upstream
Margin (dB) : 6.5 6.0
Attenuation (dB) : 61.0 31.5
OutputPower (dBm) : 16.5 12.5

Vendor Chipset Local Remote
Country : B5 FF
Vendor : BDCM GSPN
VendorSpecific : 0000 0800
StandardRevisionNr : 00 01
Vendor System
Country : 0F 00
Vendor : TMMB ----
VendorSpecific : 3C61 0000
StandardRevisionNr : 00 00

Transfer statistics
Errors
Received FEC : 0
Received CRC : 2662
Received HEC : 2080
Transmitted FEC : 0
Transmitted CRC : 0
Transmitted HEC : 0

Near end failures since reset
Loss of frame : 0 failures
Loss of signal : 0 failures
Loss of power : 0 failures
Errored seconds : 25 seconds

Near end failures last 15 minutes
Loss of frame : 0 seconds
Loss of signal : 0 seconds
Loss of power : 0 seconds
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Near end failures current day
Errored seconds : 25 seconds

Near end failures previous day
Errored seconds : 0 seconds

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:07:33 EDT

ahess6488 : I know this is a duplicate of my forum post but that one went unanswered so I thought I'd try in here.

Does anyone know how I can upgrade the firmware on my ST516v6 modem using OS X? The install disc didn't work, as promised, on 10.4. I can't find the right wizard to download that is Mac appropriate and so I'm out of ideas.

Presuming I can do this using the mac terminal and telnetting to the modem, could someone help out with some instructions on doing it that way? Or is there an OS X upgrade wizard right under my nose somewhere?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:58:24 EDT

helphelp911 :

said by SavagePotato :

I think I may have found the problem, going back to the old firmware that works with DMT, I am getting all kinds of CRC errors on the up link within seconds.

The downstream is flawless no errors reported.

I don't fully understand dmt yet but is this something tweaking with it is going to fix?

Hi savagePotato, Do you have any solution? i also experience slow upload of st516v6. My old 300g can upload to 600kbps. But st516v6 only can go upto 450kbps.

i notice one thing in DMT thought, For the download birate, i got 3000 k /bits, i think it is normal. But for download birate, i only have 517 k/bits which is low i think. Are these number set by telus? or depend on the quality of the line?

Thanks

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:24:22 EDT

anon : I think I may have found the problem, going back to the old firmware that works with DMT, I am getting all kinds of CRC errors on the up link within seconds.

The downstream is flawless no errors reported.

I don't fully understand dmt yet but is this something tweaking with it is going to fix?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:31:42 EDT

anon : I recently purchased an ST 516v6 to use on telus dsl.

I had been getting some weird issues with my d-link dsl-300g and became worried about having a backup modem handy in case it died as it's quite old, and I will not use the 2wire they sent me.

I put the speed touch in, it originally came with a 6.2 firmware variant. Downstream remained exactly the same for what I was getting with the d-link about 2800mbps on average from speedtest sites (the package i have claims 3mbps)

Problem has been upload. The d-link gets 640 to as much as 700 kbps being reported on speedtest sites, the thomson seldom moves above 500kbps at the best of times usualy in the 350kbps range. (advertised package is 640kbps)

I've tried three different firmwares, the original, the old 6.1.0.5 i think it is, and the newest 7.4. Firmwares seem to have made no change on the upload.

What could this be?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:55:54 EDT

anon : i pay for 4 mega and my maxim download speed is 470KB

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:41:45 EDT

TilhasBB : djmishu>
your getting a few errors here and there. nothing to worry about.
your on a adsl2+ line card and you look like your getting the profile speed.

What speed are you paying for and are you getting it?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:22:25 EDT

anon : can anyone tell me what is good or what is bad in my connection?

thanks

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:35:03 EDT

DKS : Who is your telco provider and your ISP?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:16:23 EDT

TilhasBB : here's the way it works.

Your line can do 22783kbps but your line card at the central office says he's only paying for 4101.
So only 4101 of the 22783 is used = 18% Which is good which means your line has a lot of room and should have any errors.

Your on an ADSL2+ Card.

Your line is phenomenal but your getting errors on your upload side.

What i recommend you do. Is try each firmware for 24hours and look at the number of errors. the one with the least amount use it.

If your not having any sync issues and its stable leave it as is :)

Have a good night

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:15:04 EDT

tanit : Hi all,

This is all my tried :( :huh: , A busy week with Speedtouch Firmware and DMT.
I'm still dont know why my RCO is too low (18%).
And What should I DO now?

Thanks all.

Version 5.4 Now

Version 6.1.0.5AA
Version 6.1.4.7UK

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:38:33 EDT

TilhasBB : Ahhh you have the V5 so its different firmwares for you.

Try 5.4 one wait 24hours to test it out see how many errors and how stable it is.
Then try the 6.1 and keep best of the two.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:35:54 EDT

tanit : Thanks TilhasBB,
I DID NOT remember what the first Version of my Speedtouch.

1. "6.1.0.5 is the worse of the lot.."
-> You mean : this version is bad?

2. "Get the 6.2 UK firmware"
--> As the DMT information, I think My Speedtouch is :
516V5 (BANT-J), and
Software Variant : AA
So I have tried to install 6.2UK (for 516V6 only), but could NOT upgrade.
3."Check your physical setup. everything filtered? alarms, faxes satellite "
- DONE. And my ADSL line is a new private line; direct from the ISP to my Router.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:57:55 EDT

Bicephale : Hi Tanit,

Really, with those RCO, Attenuation and SNR Margin
figures, euh...  Oh, and the flatness in the shape
of your envelope, euh...  You should have no issue
and yet the UpStream bandwidth speed appears to be
too high or the wiring is causing quite an obscure
problem.  I regret that the "UpTime" of your 'DMT'
sample makes it almost useless in terms of errors,
i'll use it but this may lead to innaccuraties!...

We can estimate your "Transmitted CRC" error level
to be of 2562/day or so.  This is catastrophic for
someone who has an Interleaved profile, i believe;
it's the worst part because i don't know what kind
of failure will cause such an UpStream BottleNeck!

Usually, it's the upper bandwidth that's affected.

:uhh:

Perhaps it's a strong local A.M. radio station, in
that case you can try centralized filtering before
anything else in order to limit the antenna effect
of your wiring.  Then, i'd strongly suggest to put
a Toroïdal Ferrite choke on the power supply lead,
near the MoDem.  3rd but not least, shielding with
ferro-magnetic materials does help but it would be
an option only to one who resides in his own home.

Please, try to get a reasonable CRC Error curve by
using 'STMT' in order to obtain one that's similar
to what you'd get from a SpeedStream 4200 D240 and
'DMT v9.01'.  A few static numbers hardly suffice.

Try them all if FirmWare v7.4.1.7.0 won't work but
i recommend starting with the v5 ones 1st since it
provides additional features when used with 'DMT'.

:p

It's an opportunity to remind our readers that the
author of 'STMT', BoxFan, added the 24 h CRC Error
feature on my request.  This was meant to help the
SpeedTouch owners by allowing them to obtain a CRC
Error record from their Thomson device and yet not
even one single post has ever shown such a capture
since the release of 'STMT v0.7.2' six months ago!

Common people, the least you can do is to use this
tool.  It's still a young project and there may be
bugs but, if you're able to collect real "dynamic"
statistics under the form of CRC Error curves, i'm
suggesting it's about time to give BoxFan FeedBack
that he has owned by working continuously for you!

Just follow the links or is it too much to click!?

:uhh:

Other Useful Links:

Phone jack Wires Question, Bicephale, 2008-Jan-11
A wire is a wire is a wire, Bicephale, 2007-Sep-6
The customer's own wiring, Bicephale, 2007-Jun-13
The SpeedTouch "BootP Reset" recovery procedure, Bicephale, 2007-Jun-9    <--    'TFTPD32'

Perhaps i should include 'OrbMT Modem Tool v3.18':

OrbMT Modem Tool, Bicephale, 2007-Jul-24

And then a few more links about Remote Assistance:

SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :), Bicephale, 2007-Sep-30
SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :), Bicephale, 2007-Oct-6
DSL setup question, Bicephale, 2007-Oct-7
Dialup ?, Bicephale, 2007-Jul-13

STMT - RCV, 24 hours CRC-Errors Curve feature

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:21:10 EDT

TilhasBB : 6.1.0.5 is the worse of the lot..
adsl2+ with that sync and power of 20.5
whos your provider?

Get the 6.2 UK firmware.
»www.thomson-broadband.co.uk/code···.asp?c=7

Upload SNR.
Check your physical setup. everything filtered? alarms, faxes satelites? etc?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:34:53 EDT

tanit : Help me.
This is after upgrade from 5.3 -> 6.1
Is is okie?
Because SRNM before upgrade is : about 9.5-13.5

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:49:41 EDT

TilhasBB : FEC's are okay since the modem corrects them. Its the CRC and HEC you have to worry about.
Are you Stable as in ? no resyncs?
If so Try dropping the SNR in the experimental tab and see if you can get a higher sync while maintaing your stability.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:39:34 EDT

cheetah334 : hey, thanks for your reply, i tired the other firmware but my internet doesn't seem to work when i installed it, it says that the modem stopped responding and the downgrade failed... so i had to put the other firmware back... after doing that, the number of errors has dropped to around 5000/hour (which is still a lot)
i just got my home phone line changed to primus as well, so i'm planning to call them up and see what they can do...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:42:08 EDT

TilhasBB : Thanks for Posting. I love helping people and this is a first with switching you to ADSL2+... Impressive
but
Wow... I dont know what they did. Your upload is 924?!?!
Thats weird.... ADSL2+. Its worse than ADSL 1... Thats Weird...
Time to try some tweaking...

ADSL1 was Attenuation 50, snr between 6 and 11.5 down.
ADSL2 is attenuation 54 and snr 7. But a LOT of errors of 12 hours.

See your Stats over the day. and then try the 6.2.UK (»www.speedtouch.co.uk/downloads/5···5_UK.bin) And see if its less errors over a day.
If its better you can try tweaking the ADSL2 line by giving more download from your upload end etc etc. I have to read up more about it i haven't tried it. Bicephale has more experiance with it.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:15:49 EDT

cheetah334 : yea, i tried that, they changed it to interleaved, and also adsl 2+, and they messed it up pretty bad... and my phone line too :(

just posting this cause i'm pretty sure that this hardly happens...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:13:19 EDT

TilhasBB : no.
static when you speak to someone. then call 611 and tell them you hear static on your line. the'll send a tech to fix that :)

once static is fixed see if errors are fixed. if not THEN call primus

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:59:19 EDT

cheetah334 : could the errors be cause i'm downloading a lot?
i tried listening to the phone, and there seems static only when talking to someone (tried calling my cellphone), and i don't have access to the demarc point.

i think i should call my ISP (primus)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:33:55 EDT

TilhasBB : Cheetah334>

You have a LOT of errors.
2038 CRC Errors/hour
417 HEC Errors/hour

1) Pickup the phone dial a number and listen do you have any static, hissing poping etc?
if you do, unplug modem and fax and are they still there?

2)
Do you have access to your demarc point?
depending what kind of appartment your in sometimes its just in the electrical room in the lower level.

Option A)
Check with the superindendent if you can connect your modem there.
If so check stats. If there's a HUGE improvement over 16db (since you've had around 11.5 before) then your going to neeed to run a wire up from there or leave modem there and put a wireless router or figure something out.

Option B)
If thats not possible, or your dont have time. Option B.
Call your ISP, tell them you have int sync sometimes during the day and not to drop the speed because it was always stable before. you want them to send a tech.
The tech will check the line before it even goes in the appartment from the pole. which is best.
Because then he can tell you if its internal wiring OR from bell side.

That many errors i have a hunch its from bell's side hopefully they can put you on anouther pair.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:52:59 EDT

cheetah334 : I've been getting disconnections lately, don't know why... and i guess a lot of errors.
I tried the modem in a different jack with the fax unplugged and still got the same stats, this is the second cable i've tried, and i don't have intercom.

So i guess its just the internal wiring eh, right? :(

or is there a problem that the ISP can fix?
it seems weird cause only the downstream has the big problems...
(12230 CRC errors in 6:14:05)

Thanks dude...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 28 Dec 2007 02:03:22 EDT

TilhasBB : Nah I think your stable like this.

Do you have any Sync issues? if not leave it as is :)

1) How many jacks do you have in the apartment?
2) have you tried modem in different jacks and checked if stats changed? different phone cable? Double filter the fax and phone.
3) Do you have an intercom system?
4) 7.4.X will not show you the the RCO

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:35:04 EDT

cheetah334 : Thanks guys...
So i just changed the firmware and the wire that was connecting the modem to the jack and the errors seem to have lowered a lot.

Errors
Received FEC : 0
Received CRC : 23
Received HEC : 13
Transmitted FEC : 0
Transmitted CRC : 1
Transmitted HEC : 1

so far been on for more than an hour, last time i had 500+ in an hour.

But the SNRM is still pretty low, stays from 8.5-7.5.

I check the phone and i couldn't hear any static, i live in an apartment building and we only have one phone and a computer (fax) connected.
i guess i'll call my primus to change my connection to an interleaved one. and i don't mind a lower upstream speed, would rather prefer a higher downstream.
and i called primus and they said that i live 3.1km away, not sure if they are right though.

And with the new firmware i no longer see the RCO, is there any way to enable that?

So what do you think i should do? get them to change the mode to interveaved mode

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:48:51 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

A CRC Error rate that's slightly over 1100 per day
seems acceptable even for a 3008/800 Kbps FastPath
profile.  I'd be worried if you had an Interleaved
one but that's not the case and now that there are
RCO numbers available i'm wondering about what you
want exactly...  It seems you need to decide which
tradeoff will be best for you so lets see what the
options are!  Did you manage to make sure the line
was really clean already?  Did you consider that a
simpler way to handle noise might be to change for
an Interleaved profile at the cost of latency?  If
it's possible, can you settle for a lower UpSTream
speed?  I think you're over 4 Km away instead of 3
so those RCOs showing an attainable speed of 4032/
800 Kbps sound right, if the FirmWare doesn't take
care of noise then there's still Interleaved mode.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:15:41 EDT

TilhasBB : Cheetah334>

Your first post
RCO:92% / sync:3008 / atten: 50.0 / SNR: 6
RCO:72% / Sync:800 / atten: 28.5 / SNR: 13

Second 6.2.x
RCO:68% / sync:3008 / atten: 50.0 / SNR: 11.5
RCO:73% / Sync:800 / atten: 28.5 / SNR: 13.0

Third 7.4x
RCO: ?? / sync:3008 / atten: 50.0 / Snr: 10.5
RCO: ?? / sync:800 / atten: 28.5 / Snr: 12.5

Its your SNR thats fluctuating all the time

The second program you have, STMTv.08
you have a graphing function lke DMT, click start for 24hours and see if its less errors (go on the SNRM tab).
also check dmt after24hours for it to tell you exact # of errors

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:00:06 EDT

cheetah334 : i just upgraded the firmware, and am wondering if this is any better...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:16:33 EDT

TilhasBB : cheetah334> you seem to have some noise on your line...
Check all filteres, dial a number on your phone and listen if you hear any noise. check physical setup.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:16:17 EDT

TilhasBB : ST516 User> Stuitck with the 7.x Firmware :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 01:25:19 EDT

cheetah334 : sounds good, but how do i do that, i'm using the firmware v6.2.17.5... and can't see any options...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:19:06 EDT

Bicephale : Less UpStream speed would improve the DownStream SNR Margin slightly.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:17:02 EDT

Bicephale : I see no reason to call the ISP with an SNR Margin
which has improved while the CRC Error count seems
steady but lets remember that the RCO numbers will
remain visible from the ISP's side, nonetheless...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:22:33 EDT

cheetah334 : hey, any chance someone can help me understand this?
Thanks...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:46:05 EDT

anon : Any way to determine line capacity? I'd ideally like to see what top speed I can achieve (e.g. 6Mbit or 7Mbit+) stable of course.

Starting to prepare now when the CRTC finally approves. Also have some time over the holidays so may try and "clean up my line" as much as possible and tinker witha few things.

Thank you for your input!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:43:21 EDT

anon : Thanks Bicephale, looks like this firmware is a keeper.

If I understand your post correctly, you'd like to see the ROC stats? I thought that Thompson disabled the in the 7.x series?

Here is today's reading:

It looks like my errored seconds went up.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:13:17 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

The CRC Error count went from 1169/day to 585/day,
it's a 100 % difference! Either FirmWare versions
explain such a major discrepancy all by themselves
either they don't. Noise curves can help you tell
which it is so now we'd need an 'STMT' CRC record.

;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:44:54 EDT

anon : Thanks for replying so quickly guys. Below are snapshots of my DMT stats.

The first shot is on the 6.x firmware and the second on the 7.x firmware. I notice that I get less "errored seconds" with the 7.x series. I read the info that TilhasBB posted - very imformative and it seems that my SNR numbers are higher on the7.x and thus making it better?

Any further comments you could provide would be wonderful.

Merci!
ST516 User

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:51:51 EDT

Bicephale : And wait long enough to get a meaningful sample of the CRC Error count.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:46:56 EDT

TilhasBB : ST516 User>

This will explain all the measurements
»Verizon Online DSL FAQ »Modem Line Statistic Numbers.
note: Noise Margin is SNR

Here's the way it works in a nutshell.
Attenuation is the amount of signal lost between you and the central office.
SNR (noise margin) : is how much stronger the ADSL signal is over noise on the line.

So Lower attenuation and Higher Snr is what you want.

Now just looking at SNR number higher by a different firmware isn't the best way at looking at things because some firmwares calculate the SNR differently than others. Some take it as average snr of used line and some is the average of the range. Its complicated. But as long as your SNR is above 6db your safe but higher is always better.

You have to assume that the newer firmware is taking the same measuring method as the old firmware and if the snr is higher then your good.

Snr at 13 or 17 your stable so no worry.
Post a DMT screenshot if you want and we'll take a look at it.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:49:14 EDT

anon : It seems the KStream fella has the same sort of line conditions as me. I notice that he too jumped from 13 to 17 SNRM and TilhasBB said he was more stable. I guess I am sticking to the 7.x series firmware.

If someone could provide clarification on what the numbers mean exactly I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks,
ST516 User

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:35:42 EDT

anon : I've been following this helpful thread quite frequently since its creation but am looking for a little clarification on the DSL line stats.

I was using the UK formware for my ST516 and had a downstream SNRM of 13dB. I then discovered the Firmware sticky and decided to upgrade to the 7.x series. I then opened my DMT client and saw that my SNRM jumped 4dB to 17dB, what does this mean exactly? Is this jump better or worse? The other numbers (attenuation and tx pwr) remained the same on both the down and up streams.

Can someone advise me on what the attenuation, SNRM and tx pwr numbers mean exactly? Thank you very much in advance.

Confused,
ST516 User

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:16:05 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

Perhaps i should use my signature to advertise the
fact that "the customer's mileage might varry" but
mine got cleared lately so i'll simply rely on our
reader's ability to follow a thread instead...  In
this case, in concordance with previous remarks, i
believe the user may as well require 6016/800 Kbps
FastPath right away based on RCO records alone and
then a 2nd or maybe even a 3rd ticket will need to
be opened, eventually, until satisfaction has been
obtained...  Excuse my style as i got no taste for
unnecessary vulgarity and/or rudeness when there's
no need, i do appreciate your remark to the effect
that there's no garantee Bell will accomodate such
demands neither, though.  One thing matters to me,
it's KStream's decision what to request or not but
i can testify from personal experience that Bell's
worker does call sometimes and, even if he doesn't
call home, it simply doesn't cost anything to ask.

:D

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 15 Dec 2007 06:06:42 EDT

anon : but here is where the problem lies....your research is super. but the resources dont exist for bell to tweak line by line to max things out. and you cant ask re sellers to approach bell to adjust the settings to get a couple hundred kbps per line. things are set up to make things as good as it can get for the max...the bottom line is thta with a couple million dsl lines in ontario and quebec for the most part things work fine for most people. for the ones that it doesnt...well thats just how it goes...you have to suck it up and move on.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:17:52 EDT

Bicephale : Hi KStream,
Hi TilHasBB,

Lets suppose that there were no counter resets for
94 hours or so, it means the CRC error rate was no
more than an average of about 8 errors per day so!

Considering that the attenuation levels are great,
my 1st try would be 6016/640 Kbps FastPath in hope
that enough room for the DownStream signal is made
to avoid noise problems... The SpeedTouch doesn't
allow BandWidth Shaping but it's still possible to
ask Bell for such a simple tweak from their end, i
suppose that trying a few FirmWare versions can do
the rest when it comes to improving SNR Margins...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:57:35 EDT

TilhasBB : Kstream>
v7.4.1.7
4032 / 19 / 17.5
800 / 12 / 11

v6.2.28.2
4032 / 19 / 13.5
800 / 12 / 10

The 7.4 firmware is surprizingly better.
Try the 6.2 UK firmware. from here
»www.thomson-broadband.co.uk/code···ctID=514

but you should be able to get 5meg stable with your line :)
open a ticket with your ISP.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:04:43 EDT

anon : Downgraded my firmware so that you can see my RCO stats

Thanks for the help!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:55:03 EDT

nedjel : HI
I’m new here. I just got the ST516 v6 with my Telus DSL.
I’m trying to use the DMT tweak tool without any success.
Could you point me in the right direction: ie what is the tweak tool for this, where can I get it from, what can I do to make my modem accessible and tweak able ?
Much appreciated.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:41:27 EDT

Bicephale : Hi Angelo,
Hi Hoser,

As you can imagine, i wouldn't suggest that we all
need to monitor our respective HardWare for months
before any decision can be made.  My purpose is to
simply demonstrate how insufficient statistics can
possibly lead one to the most inadequate advice...

Do you realize that despite a perfectly normal SNR
Margin and Attenuation level i experienced a major
disruptive episode on October 25 at 3:06 AM - and,
on top of this, that while i got mediocre BitRates
6h 39m later, the line went practically noise-less
for hours in a row?...  This full-scale curve is a
reconstruction, obviously, but the data is no fake
and every single feature occured exactly as shown;
yet, any decision based on such a rich but limited
evidence could have been inapropriate.  At 3:06 AM
an external observer might have concluded that the
MoDem failed of maybe that i needed to reformat my
PC, a few hours later his avice might have been to
replace the MoDem because the line was in pristine
condition...  Of course, the correct diagnostic is
radically different:  my line happens to behave in
many ways, it suffers from a dissociative identity
disorder, so to speak!  How so???  Well, i've come
to recognize that the left part of the graphic had
to do with rare but severe events (a few times per
year), the 2nd half was observable between cooking
hours and there should be a 3rd item corresponding
to household activities (mainly cooking) that used
to be clearly visible on almost all other samples.

Lets mention that the 3rd component vanished after
my profile was changed from 5056/800 Kbps FastPath
to 6016/512 Kbps Interleaved, another interresting
point to make is that no profile DownGrade can fix
the major disruption episodes because even regular
telephone service gets affected when that happens.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:17:29 EDT

Hoser : Thanks Bicephale...I thought you might say that! :D I will be sure to keep lurking around these parts for some time to come.

Thanks for the links, too.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:45:16 EDT

Angelo_ : nice bice you seem to have almost got it all :) congrats on your longterm goal

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:02:49 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

I'm sorry but i don't concur.  The Attenuation and
SNR Margin parameters are static information which
fails to describe the whole situation, as in here:

MoDem's Inferno vs Surfer's Heaven

Before any 'DMT' measurement is taken, lets remind
ourselves that it is the customer's responsability
to clean up on his side of the demarcation box;  i
suggest you to meditate on these threads which can
be considered to be The Classics of this category:

My demarc????, BryanViper, 2004-Mar-6
My OLD Wiring, BryanViper, 2006-Mar-22
Major Line Stat Diff, BryanViper, 2007-Sep-14
Phone Jack Wiring info?, BryanViper, 2007-Oct-5

Once you've acquired some basic retrospective feel
free to explore my own threads on the suject, then
i'll comment about what really matters in the end:

The customer's own wiring, Bicephale, 2007-Jun-13
Tweaks, Bicephale, 2007-Aug-27

Euh...  But here's a hint:  long term diagnostics!

2007-Oct-25 3h6
2007-Oct-25 9h45

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:10:34 EDT

Hoser :

said by Bicephale :

Hi,

I'm not sure there's a 'DMT' for dummies...

Fair enough. I gather that attenuation and SNR are among the most telling stats. I also understand that one would want to minimize attenuation and maximize SNR. Correct?

Could you comment on any "optimal" ranges or floor/ceiling values that would impact performance?

Is proximity to a CO the determining factor or are there things one can do to (positively) influence their stats/performance.

Any insight is appreciated. Thanks all.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 09 Dec 2007 14:34:15 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

9 CRC errors/day calculated over more than four days justifies an upgrade, IMHO!

:D

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:47:07 EDT

TilhasBB : KStream>
I am surprized why your not on 5megabit.
Downgrade to 6.x or 5.x firmware so DMT can see your RCO stats.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:04:54 EDT

anon : Here is my uptime..since its not displayed in my screenshoot
DSL-Link Uptime : 4 days, 4:46:44

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:15:00 EDT

anon : Here is a new screenshoot...hope this one will be better.
Just wondering if I could achieve 5 mbit or higher.

Thanks!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:47:34 EDT

TilhasBB : djmall>
Try the following
Downgrade the firmware to 5.4.0.14
Unplug all the phones in the house.
Reboot modem and take a screenshot.
Were trying to get the attenuation down and SNR up.
Try modem in different locations and see if there is a significant difference with no phones and different locations. If there is identify the problem
(Significant, Attenuation drop over 5db and SNR gain over 5db)

Also you can the 6.1.4.6.0 UK
After that you can try the 6.2.X

I personally have not tried the 7.X firmware. Will do after i am done exams thou :)
hope there is a uk version of it :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:46:46 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

I'm not sure there's a 'DMT' for dummies...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:45:26 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

I'd try FirmWare v5.3.2.6 then i'd ask for 3008/512 Kbps Interleaved.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:35:58 EDT

Hoser : Anybody know if there's a "DMT for dummies" guide on how to interpret my stats in ENGLISH?

Thanks.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:41:49 EDT

djmall : I moved into my new place this past Saturday, and decided to go with Teksavvy. Purchased myself a speedtouch 516v6 and upgraded the firmware to 7.4.1.7.0. I had some issues in the beginning with really slow speeds, and bell got involved. I'm pretty sure they made a profile switch to where I am now. Hoping you guys can confirm my suspicions - my line sucks. hahah. The tech guy at teksavvy mentioned I was around 4-4.5km away from the CO. Doh.

line stats

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:39:29 EDT

Bicephale : I'd need to know your noise history to make predictions.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:45:14 EDT

anon : What do you think of my stats Bicephale? Do you think I can achieve 5Mbit?

Thanx!!!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:51:39 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

TelNet CLIs open the door to many options
indeed, lets take this post, for example:

»Disconnection TroubleShooting using an ST5x6

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:53:03 EDT

anon : Yep, Ive already got a perl script running every 15 minutes to get the data via telnet, so just a matter of time (if i feel like it) to graph the data.

One thing I do notice, if I use lynx (all i got) to connect to »192.168.1.254, it asks for Authorization, and the accounts Ive made via telnet dont authorize (always results in a 401) . Yet, if you look at the docs/pdfs, it should never ask you for a l/p when connecting to its webserver. A hunch that the 516 is testing for javascript and if none detected its asking for a l/p instead? Just an observation, as it seems I can do everything via telnet anyways.

Also any reason to use the built in pppoe? Right now its in brdige mode and I have bsd doing my pppoe and firewalling stuff.

Now I have to decide if I want to upgrade the firmware. Tons of options with this modem. :)

Thanks. :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:41:23 EDT

Bicephale : Good luck!

:p

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:40:41 EDT

Bicephale : Hi New516,

In case you haven't noticed yet, the foundation of
3rd-party utilities such as 'DMT', 'STMT', 'OrbMT'
or else happens to be the TelNet CLI commands.  In
simple terms, all the tips you'll get out of 'DMT'
actually come through the Thomson TelNet CLI which
started to shrink with the last FirmWare versions.

:uhh:

You're probably unaware of this fact neither so it
seems i must repeat this warning, once again:  the
manufacturer doesn't want an end customer (you) to
use 'DMT'.  I'm sorry to insist, Thomson considers
they're justified to work against the use of 'DMT'
(or its suite) and they've done so by releasing at
least one FirmWare that forced the MoDem to reboot
if a trap could detect a 'DMT' signature!  There's
only one reason for the greyed-out 'DMT' sections:
the late FirmWares forbids us to have the full set
of statistics by design.  The author of 'DMT' just
doesn't have much choice:  it's either that or the
situation could be allowed to become even worst...

:huh:

GUI environments ain't required to generate a 24 h
"noise" curve, with enough skills a programmer can
do this under BSD on a dedicated legacy PC with no
X-Window support at all.  All it takes is a way to
gather statistical data at regular intervals, then
it's only a matter of extracting useful numbers so
that these can be injected into a simple web page.

I already demonstrated the basic structure of such
a page, you can wait for someone to come up with a
ready-made solution or you can explore this matter
if you can spend the time and efforts it involves.

;)

Anyway, i'm not sure what you were refering to but
you mentioned Web Interception so i suppose in the
meantime you'll want to search the CLI bible for a
few expressions like "DSD" and "IDS", as i recall.

;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:24:22 EDT

anon : Thanks Bicephale, I'll call them and give it a shot!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:05:35 EDT

anon : Theres 41 pages to go through, are any of these tips available from the CLI? My 516 is connected to a BSD box with no Xwindows, so I cant really connect to the gui/dmt.

One Ive noticed a lot is web intercept and disabling it.

Im guessing the commands for the cli would be:

dsd urlfilter config (make sure its disabled?)
dsd debug proxy (make sure its disabled?)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:54:01 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

The response curve and its associated numbers were
valid at a given date and hour (e.g. December 1st,
2007 at 18h32). At best, this informs us that the
average DownStream CRC Error rate was below 32 per
hour for about five hours and nothing more. If it
remains this quiet all day long then anything goes
as long as your RCO figures stay below 95 % or so,
it could mean 6016/800 Kbps FastPath but don't get
mad should your DSL connection happen to be flaky:
long term predictions require extended statistics.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:47:13 EDT

anon : *bump* anyone?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:20:48 EDT

anon : oops, forgot to add a Thanks! :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:19:57 EDT

anon : Hey, I was wondering what kind of downstream my line could achieve? Any faster than what I am currently at?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:35:58 EDT

anon : How do my stats look if I wanted to get 6Mbit line? Can I go any higher than 6Mbit?

Thanks!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:20:38 EDT

Bicephale : "ST7"? Why not "BCM" then! The right URL is:

www.2cent.de/dmt/v7/dmt.zip

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:27:12 EDT

Last Parade : www.2cent.de/dmt/st7/dmt.zip is a 404

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:47:09 EDT

DKS :

said by rupture :

Thanks DKS, works like a charm now, much appreciated. Thank you =D

Welcome. :)
--
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:46:05 EDT

rupture : Thanks DKS, works like a charm now, much appreciated. Thank you =D

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:36:23 EDT

DKS :

said by rupture :

Anyone have the latest copy of DMT? I can't seem to find it anywhere, all the links seem to be broken.

Here.
--
Need-based health care not greed-based health care.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:06:56 EDT

rupture : Anyone have the latest copy of DMT? I can't seem to find it anywhere, all the links seem to be broken.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:37:05 EDT

i0s : Have 3 phones and 1 fax, quiet sure they have a filter. But, will check and disconnect them when I get home, maybe over the weekend.
Thank you.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:29:45 EDT

TilhasBB : I have a feeling you have something not filtered like a satellite system, fax or alarm.
Can you try disconnecting everything and resetting the modem just to see if the upload SNRM goes above 5. if it goes above say 9 connect each device one by one and reboot the modem to identify the problem.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:16:44 EDT

DKS :

said by i0s :

Thanks, that is good to know.
I know there is a CO about 2mins drive from my place but could never find out till now if I was connected to that one.

Btw, seem like I am on Interleaved. Since I am close to a CO should not that be Fast Mode?

Thanks

Distance to the CO is not measured by road but by line length. I live 1 km. from the CO. But I'm 4 km out on the line.
--
Need-based health care not greed-based health care.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:22:40 EDT

i0s : Thanks, that is good to know.
I know there is a CO about 2mins drive from my place but could never find out till now if I was connected to that one.

Btw, seem like I am on Interleaved. Since I am close to a CO should not that be Fast Mode?

Thanks

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 22 Nov 2007 06:47:19 EDT

DKS : Your stats are pretty good. You could be up to 5 km. from the CO with those numbers. Your upload is just below 800 because your SNR is 5. 6 is the floor for a good connection.
--
Need-based health care not greed-based health care.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:23:20 EDT

i0s : I just got my 516 and its set up as bridge mode. Currently I am with sympatico but switching to TekSavvy in about a month. Here are my stats, I am new to this, so I am clueless. Anything I need to do or needs attention?

Thanks

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:10:51 EDT

macedon :

said by tgf5 :

Can someone tell me the difference between fast path and interleave? Or where I can find a faq for all this stuff :(

»Interleaved vs. Fast Mode

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:12:17 EDT

anon : Can someone tell me the difference between fast path and interleave? Or where I can find a faq for all this stuff :(

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:09:06 EDT

Scoop : Call your ISP and ask to be put on 5056/800 profile.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:36:50 EDT

sta1ns : Do any of you know what's happening with my modem. I cannot get the Frequency Channel Graphs and any suggestion on what I should change my Noise Target to? Thanks.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:37:46 EDT

Bicephale : Hi Angelo,

An> ...that large gap will never go away...

Maybe, maybe not:

Is it possible that Bell Nexxia favours Bell firmware?, MaxField, 2007-Nov-10

His case illustrates quite nicely that sometimes a
gap can be "fixed" without even touching the line!

;)

SpeedStream 5200 vs SpeedTouch 516

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:12:24 EDT

Bicephale : Oh, the Toroïds...

Well, i'll be back on this when i find some!

:D

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:10:03 EDT

Bicephale : Hi everyone,

Lets suppose every fifteen minutes some yet-to-come utility collects data such as this:

...or even better, that final values are neatly extracted
each in its own file...  At the end of the day you'll get
a set of files with 96 samples including one titled, say,
"Received CRC"...  Now, let suppose you have another tool
and this one is able to read your data files in order to
inject their contents into the .HTMl "template" above...

It would mean you'd have detailed graphic statistics which
include 24 h "Noise" curves!!!  Of course, this is only my
imagination but isn't it conceivable someone can do this?

24 h Template (96 columns) for Thomson's SpeedTouch 5x6/585 series
Thomson Spee···ate .ZIP 1,396 bytes 24 h Template - Archive with .HTMl Code & Accessorial Graphic File

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:51:32 EDT

anon : Hi Bicephale,

Your profile doesn't say where you are located in Quebec, but if you are close to either Ottawa or Montreal, you could get those "ferrite" parts (and a full complement of electronic parts) at Active stores. See link included »www.active123.com/b2c/redirect.c···2RN2-R62

They also have other "ferrites" parts. Just enter "ferrite" in their search engine.

Chuck

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:39:25 EDT

Old Computer : I think Radio Shack still have these sort of goodies..
But don't buy Tores for VHF ore higher. They won't work.
Well, I suppose, not sure, that the metal case of the 546 is grounded somewhere to the negative point of the power supply.??
If not, the case does shield nothing. When I speak about good copper wire, I was referring to Amateur Radio (mine F2zv since 1961), when using power rigs and long antennas close to the aerial telephone lines. (Stationery waves).

I will be back tomorrow morning. It's time for dinner and can't come back later. :)
Have a nice day :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:19:42 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

As you can imagine, i'd have installed a few large
toroïd cores on the wiring next to my MoDem before
considering to pass the line through grounded iron
tubes and/or metal sleeves.  It's unclear where to
get fancy electronic parts these days, perhaps the
automobile industry has what i need under the form
of a sub-woofer inductor but this is a wild guess;
maybe i just need to disassemble some of a few old
monitors which i've stacked in a corner, they were
built to last so i suppose such quality components
might be waiting for me inside.  Québec happens to
be a de-industrialized zone, the population around
here has to be creative!...  In any case, if radio
construction is required after two kilometers then
i expect manufacturers to implement it themselves!

:uhh:

In the meantime, i'll search what i can recycle as
i doubt The Source (Radio-Shack) still carries the
kind of HardWare you showed us on the photographs.

If only a helicoïdal notch filter could work here,
euh...  Ground?  Can you explain how to use it?...
I shielded whatever could be so the next step will
be to put the SpeedTouch inside some metal casing,
which i'm not even certain would cure the kitchen-
generated noise since i don't know how it's acting
to begin with.  Franchement, vive la twisted pair!

:huh:

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:36:20 EDT

Old Computer :

said by Bicephale :

Euh...
What if it's AM radio interference which shielding
will reduce sufficiently, no one ever explained to
me how this could be achieved nor what it would do
to my error rate and yet i was here 3 years ago...
;)

I don't think there will be any clue if your line comes aerial. You can't shield it up to the RCO....
But you can reduce the interference inside your home using "ferrite" sorry i'ts French name. I had big problems 7 years ago when starting ADSL. My Rig (200 Watts) caused the modem to reboot when using the 1.6 Mhz band, so I was to close of the ADSL frequencies to put a filter.
I tried to used some ferrite coils one the POTS line close to the modem. Then the modem power supply too and the problem has been solved for a part. You need a short and good ground in copper. :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:15:22 EDT

anon : Thanks Bicephale, it worked like a charm :)

Chuck

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:34:27 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

When you open 'DMT v7.35' for the 1st time it asks to
choose between "Deutsch" and "English" but its setup
file ('DMTv7.35.ini') doesn't exist yet... Simply go
to these options of the top menu bar and do as shown:

Special -> Misc. Options

It's a good idea to select [disable "Pingcheck"] too.

DMT v7.35 - "Untested" FirmWare Option

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:50:23 EDT

Angelo_ : sorry i just deleted it :(

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:05:58 EDT

anon : Hi Bicephale, guys,

First, a huge thank you for posting the link to the 7.4.1.7 firmware! For the very first time in the last 5 years (had the original STH then), I'm getting a very stable sync and SNR from my marginal line, even after 40 hours. No reset or reboot, nada! Apparently, Thomson completely rewrote the ADSL driver that negotiates the synchronization between the modem and the DSLAM. It seems to work amazingly well. No more decreasing SNR as time goes on. Also, there's a 7.4.2 coming up which should take care of a few remaining bugs.

Right now I'm forced to use STMT v0.7.6 as I couldn't download DMT v7.344. It has been removed from the DMT website and the latest DMT v7.35 is not compatible with the 7.4.1.7 FW. Would it be possible for one of you guys to upload your DMT v 7.344 here?

Again, many thanks,

Chuck

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:12:50 EDT

Bicephale : Euh...

We need gurus to teach us wiring as a science, DSL
makes a thing which seemed initially simple behave
in a most complex and puzzling manner so maybe the
insoluble problems of today could be solved issues
tomorrow. What counts until then is to get clues.

What if it's AM radio interference which shielding
will reduce sufficiently, no one ever explained to
me how this could be achieved nor what it would do
to my error rate and yet i was here 3 years ago...

;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:17:34 EDT

Angelo_ : that large gap will never go away... unless you physically fix the issue you got with your lines. Just a heads up. Like my line has 4 gaps caused by 1 short, 1 bad line and a bad dell demarc due to aging outside (loss .2 % bvut still a loss).

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:19:08 EDT

WYCF : Hi, Bicephale,

I may just stop tweaking this modem. I think you may right about my line condition. I don't have other modem to try. And I don't have the access to the demarcation box.

I'll try to talk with Telus. See if they can send somebody come to my house to check the line.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:57:32 EDT

Bicephale : There must be something totally wrong between your
DSL unit and that demarcation box, it's like there
were a filter or maybe a power-bar with some surge
suppresion circuit for telephone use inside of it?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:41:14 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

Indeed, there's no splitting yet and these numbers
don't reveal any significant improvement.  This is
most puzzling, no one was able to reproduce it but
i suppose it's because very few happened to try...

Well, you may ask for something like 5056/384 Kbps
FastPath but today is Friday so you won't get VoIP
to work before next week anyway.  Can you move the
SpeedTouch closer to your demarcation box?  Or try
other brands/models, like a SpeedStream 4200, etc?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:18:28 EDT

WYCF : Thanks for the help and here is in ANSI T1.413:

But there's seem no improvement. The large gap is still here. :(

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:33:16 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

I browsed the thread starting around March and the
captures for some FirmWares had experimental tabs:

v5.4.0.14.0 (ZZQ0AA540E)
v6.1.0.5.0 (ZZQ0AA6105)
v6.1.9.6.0 (ZZQ0AA6196)

The fact that other versions are not included only
means that i found no SnapShot with active tabs...

But while you have v6.2.17.5.0 (ZZQ0AA62H5) loaded
why not proceed to the ANSI T1.413 test? DownLoad
'STMT v0.7.5': http://modemtool.de/download.html;
then enter these commands in a TelNet CLI session:

'STMT v0.7.5' should display a split response. It
is possible you might also need to experiment with
these commands, "menu" makes it easier to explore:

Note:

The 'DMT' site does link to some older releases...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 02 Nov 2007 07:06:39 EDT

DKS :

said by WYCF :

Now,v7.35 won't let me enable the two hidden tabs! The option is gray out so can't selected.

Is there a version of DMT I can use to enable the hidden tabs? Where can I download it?

Thompson locked down later versions of the firmware to prevent this. The up side is that the latest firmware, 7.4, is, for me, rock solid stable.
--
Need-based health care not greed-based health care.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:35:52 EDT

WYCF : Just flashed to v6.2.17.5...

And, downloaded the new v7.35 DMT (my old version won't support).

Now,v7.35 won't let me enable the two hidden tabs! The option is gray out so can't selected.

Is there a version of DMT I can use to enable the hidden tabs? Where can I download it?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 02 Nov 2007 01:32:24 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

I think you should ask SiberX4 to show you how the
'DMT' sliders worked for him: i'm not too certain
anymore but you might find v6 isn't cooperative...

The radio stations are no easy challenge, you'd be
forced to consider radical solutions which i doubt
are even possible in your case. Maybe it would be
useful to capture a spectral response graphic with
the MoDem connected next to the demarcation point,
that way you'd know if its A.M. or something else.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 02 Nov 2007 01:06:17 EDT

WYCF :

said by Bicephale :

Oh, and you don't have FirmWare v6.2.17.5-AA installed...

Will flash it tomorrow.

said by Bicephale :

Is there a strong local A.M. radio station near 710 KHz?

We have AM730 here. Another one on 650 KHz.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:14:41 EDT

Bicephale : Is there a strong local A.M. radio station near 710 KHz?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:08:57 EDT

Bicephale : Oh, and you don't have FirmWare v6.2.17.5-AA installed...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:08:04 EDT

Bicephale : You need to save and reboot, i see no "T1.413" string anywhere.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:21:41 EDT

WYCF : I don't know if I did correct. But seems downstream improved a little bit. (SNRM down 1db)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:00:53 EDT

Bicephale :
SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :), Bicephale, 2007-Jun-18

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:58:09 EDT

WYCF :

said by Bicephale :

Have you tried the ANSI T1.413 MoDemOption setting?

Where can I change this setting? in DMT?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:39:39 EDT

Bicephale : Have you tried the ANSI T1.413 MoDemOption setting?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:38:18 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

I see, it could be up to 50' of wiring but nothing
to be cleaned!!!  Well, maybe you're facing a case
of power-induced noise but then i gather you can't
get it fixed because you're not in charge for that
part of the building.  It appears there won't be a
miracle tonight, your only options are to try some
loading (as if it were a normal phone line) and/or
ask for an exchange of the DSL device while you're
conducting a few tests...  A product which doesn't
clear its counter after a reset would work nicely:
this way we'd be able to calculate the error rate.

Of course, a continuous 24 h record is much better
than a single sample taken at a specific moment...

:hmm:

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:02:59 EDT

WYCF :

said by Bicephale :

And starting from the demarcation box?

We have a Panel Room at the end of the building. All phone line come from there. My unit is the second one so I guess the distance is about 25 feet.

But I have no idea where is the CO.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:25:34 EDT

Bicephale : And starting from the demarcation box?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:45:14 EDT

WYCF :

said by Bicephale :

Euh...

May i ask how many feet of phone wiring you got on the MoDem side?

From the phone jack to my modem I use a 5 feet phone cord. I don't have any shorter cord.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:28:52 EDT

Bicephale : Euh...

May i ask how many feet of phone wiring you got on the MoDem side?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:27:07 EDT

Bicephale : Hi again WYCF,

In other words, Bell feeds the Speedtouch directly
and nothing else because your phone appliances are
serviced through a different line by using VoIP...

Since there's no physical contact between your two
lines it seems evident to me that nothing needs to
be filtered out. Maybe a slight amount of loading
on Bell's line would help but it's just a thought.

Anyway, thanks for this significant clarification!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:19:47 EDT

WYCF : OK, This may be off topic but I really need know if I did wrong. Here is my current wiring:

double line: --> phone line
single line: --> CAT5
Segment A: incoming line to modem
Senment B: internal phone line
VoIP ATA: Registered as extension of my Asterisk server

On my setup I don't see that I need any filter or splitter because segment A and B are totally separated.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:30:33 EDT

Bicephale : Hi WYCF,

> I wired the incoming line to the modem directly > and all other phone jacks in my house are on a > total separated segment. So I don't need any > filters or splitter, right?

Wrong, it becomes a totally separated segment only
after it's been filtered out;  a lot of parasitics
could remain present, including daisy-chained taps
and antenna-like sections even after you connected
the MoDem ahead.  So, it's not always good enough.

As i pointed out before, tweaking options are very
limited with a SpeedTouch but i notice that you're
using FirmWare v5.4.0.14 which does allow 'DMT' to
affect its MoDemOptions.  Most unfortunately, it's
not clear how it works exactly since Thomson never
documented this feature for all i know - honestly,
it didn't seem conclusive when i played with that!

Maybe SiberX4 can help you with the 'DMT' sliders?

:)

I suggest you try the ANSI T1.413 protocol since a
graphic from 'STMT' once showed that a part of the
DownStream signal might be moved down but this was
never reproduced and hence much less confirmed, it
turns out, which leaves us with line cleanup tips.

Well, i can't but notice that your DownStream flux
is kind of steady below 500 KHz while there's some
huge hole between 640 KHz and 780 KHz...  It would
make a lot of sense to me to search for the cause;
practically everything i wrote about wiring can be
found here:  "The customer's own wiring", maybe it
would help you recognize a potential issue or two.

;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:49:27 EDT

WYCF :

said by Bicephale :

As for raising profiles, you might discover a reactive element on your line by looking around but the DownStream RCO leaves so much room for improvement and the SNR Margin is so nice it shouldn't be a problem to try 4032 Kbps or even 5056 Kbps (as long as you don't stretch it on the UpStream side, that is, as it's bad enough)...

Thank you for the help. I am trying to understand and learn this tweaking process. ;)

Could you please give me a little more detail on how to improve my DownStream using the DMT?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:42:29 EDT

WYCF : Thank you for the help.

said by siberx4 :

3. Your upstream rate seems a little low - if you're using microfilters consider trying to get a POTS splitter, or shortening the wires to your modem. Also, try dropping the SNR ratio slider some in modemoptions to see if it'll sync you faster - if the signal doesn't drop you can leave it there.

Tried few seeting and now the upstream seems getting better? I also notice there is no change when I do speed test.

Also, i am using the Dark ADSL so there is no voice signal. I found the phoneline enter point at downstairs of my townhouse. I wired the incoming line to the modem directly and all other phone jacks in my house are on a total separated segment. So I don't need any filters or splitter, right?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:13:57 EDT

Bicephale : Hi Angelo168,

I don't modify the wiring when i switch between my
GNet and my SpeedTouch if i intend to compare them
against each other, the only item to change is the
DSL device itself and it is one of the reasons why
my late shielding experiments spread across weeks.

Should both devices have been equal, relatively to
connectivity, i would have expected the SpeedTouch
to behave the same as the GNet but that's not what
i observed.  An SNR Margin which varies between 13
and 19 dB while it stalls around 16 dB most of the
time hardly conforms to my definition of a border-
line situation, those are the GNet numbers.  My ST
was very different and the day we get error curves
from 'DMT' for this brand/model i'll be pleased to
superpose both graphics.  In the meantime, all i'm
able to say about my SpeedTouch 546v6 is that it's
prone to frequent resets while its SNR Margin goes
way below the 13 dB mark...  In any case, i didn't
have that SpeedTouch when i talked to Bell and was
able to convince the telephone worker to set me to
5056/800 Kbps FastPath because of my tweaking work
using the GNet with 'DMT' for my trouble-shooting,
actually:  i wanted to test my tweaking resources,
he agreed.  I've shown in my "Tweaks" thread how a
trade-off could be reached between the RCO and SNR
Margin figures, finally;  no profile DownGrade was
necessary but i don't try to make my ST look good.

:p

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:30:08 EDT

Angelo_ : Bicephale your snrm is on the verge of failure in my opinion bc your border line attaining sync. 4snrm isn't very good :/, how did you convince bell to keep you at 4mbps?? LOL

try 3.5 might prove to be more stable and sure your 516 issues :P

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:10:50 EDT

Bicephale : Hi WYCF,

Thomson reduced their SpeedTouch's tweak abilities
by design to please ISPs.  The intent was to limit
'DMT's usefulness so they went as far as releasing
boogy-trapped FirmWare which would cause the ST5x6
to reboot if one tried to use specific features!!!

Despite the deterrents, 'DMT' has been adapted and
the late Beta also works with unsupported versions
of the FirmWare.  You can go as far as v5.3.3.4 if
you wish to experiment with the numerous FirmWares
but i can't tell which is best because they're all
next to mediocre from where i stand.  I'm supposed
to be a statistical aberration but let me tell you
there's not much left to tweak other then what has
been shown here already.  As for raising profiles,
you might discover a reactive element on your line
by looking around but the DownStream RCO leaves so
much room for improvement and the SNR Margin is so
nice it shouldn't be a problem to try 4032 Kbps or
even 5056 Kbps (as long as you don't stretch it on
the UpStream side, that is, as it's bad enough)...

You've got little to loose in your situation so it
might help to experiment with other brands/models,
i was quite impressed by the SpeedStream 4200 with
a generic FirmWare working in combination with the
'DMT' SoftWare, lately - beware of "decomissioned"
Bell units or similar since those have been locked
though.  In any case, the SpeedTouch only provides
poor trouble-shooting abilities and that so-called
"MoDem-Side Persistence" i was reading about right
above is a myth:  counters will get lost after the
unit has reset and let me tell you it does reset a
lot of times compared to a legacy GNet BB0060B;  i
monitored the Error Rate counter over ten days and
i know for a fact there was no persistence, not to
mention that it got much worst:  10000+ errors per
day compared to 4000 with the GNet.  So, in short,
there's still hope for you...  You can try to cure
both your line and MoDem - Good luck and have fun!

;)

Note.:

Here's a link leading to 'DMT' captures of the SS4200:

SNR Drops at regular intervals, HiVolt, 2007-Oct-18

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:23:15 EDT

siberx4 : 1. No idea, no experience with newer firmwares. I heard some of them won't work with DMT though.

2. Just run it whenever you need to check stats. Everything is saved modemside persistently (unless you re-power your modem ;) )

3. Your upstream rate seems a little low - if you're using microfilters consider trying to get a POTS splitter, or shortening the wires to your modem. Also, try dropping the SNR ratio slider some in modemoptions to see if it'll sync you faster - if the signal doesn't drop you can leave it there.

4. It looks like you're on an old ADSL1 DMT2 port - as such, you should be able to get switched to fast path mode. If, that is, you can manage to get a phone rep that actually knows what you're talking about when you mention it ;) . The new ADSL2+ ports apparently can't run fast path mode however, so if you ever end up on one of those don't be surprised if they switch you back.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 01 Nov 2007 02:01:48 EDT

WYCF : Hello, everyone,

Here is my DMT. Read the forum and still have no clue what to tweak. :(

Here are few questions:
1. Should I go with the newest firmware? (7.4.17), If not, which version do you recommend?

2. For monitoring, should I just keep this running for a day? Or few minutes will enough?

3. Need tweak? How to?

4. I am with telus 3M plan. Is the "Interleaved path" good for me? Should I need call telus to get fast path?

I am totally new for the ADSL modem and just found there is too much to learn.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:11:16 EDT

Bicephale : Please, feel free to join!:

»This is addressed to the SpeedTouch/'DMT' users...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:32:39 EDT

Angelo_ : i want more stuff in it tho

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:51:47 EDT

DKS :

said by Angelo_ :

is there a new version of dmt taht works with 7.4 yet???

Edit the config file of the most recent version. Change this line from 0 to 1

allowUntestedFWversion = 1
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:26:47 EDT

Angelo_ : is there a new version of dmt taht works with 7.4 yet???

anyways no big deal i had no time to work on my work maybe this sat i'll have some basic sample code ready... ran into a snag with some server side code which caused abit of headaches to try and hide from users.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:55:54 EDT

DKS :

said by Angelo_ :

point proven url?? www.google.com get off your ass and search like the rest of the pop

Again, can you please restate this in complete sentences? Or provide the url for the3 SDK? Thank you.
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:51:19 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

For me it was clear from the start that the SpeedTouch is no "open" system.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:00:17 EDT

Angelo_ : i descided i may just sell that 516 i have so many more no point to waste my time.. lol

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:58:13 EDT

Angelo_ :

said by DKS :

said by Angelo_ :

DKS this in no way is considered cracking warez etc etc plz learn exactly what it is it is doing

Then how about explaining, in reasonably complete sentences, what you are doing? When you refer to "defeating encryption", that is a direct reference to hacking... which is not a permissible subject for discussion on DSLR.

it's using the SDK taht is freely availiable on their site

That you for the useful clarification. Got a url for that?

if you think it is none woul d hire you for programming as you'd be creating warez with every program you make. In no way are you modifying how the modem actually works. This is how Thomson designed it.

Again, thank you for the clarification. It has been heretofore lacking.

But if you mean it requires someone hwo actually understands what they are doing.. then yes it does. DKS please learn period. I do not feel like fighting with anyone on this forum nor do i feel it is fair not giving someone protentially fixed solutions bc of one or two users.

Why should I learn? It has nothing to do with my core competencies or work. However, discussion of what may be proprietary business information in a public place might be of concern to some.

most modems are isp customized... and in no way have we modified any modems as such. The modem itself has areas where you are able to upload to it that are designed for users. The documentation is out there freely but hey you know german be my guest. thats the only place you'd get white papers on the device.

That is correct. Many ISPs have customized configurations. The 7.0 firmware and up has a custom configuration option for the Thompson modems. I have found the Whirlpool forum out of Australia to have lots of useful assistance, and in English.

btw show me anywhere were the law has change other then your mind. Thank god i don't lease form there i'd go bank rupt in a minuite!

You don't read the rules of DSLR, I guess. :uhh:

point proven url?? www.google.com get off your ass and search like the rest of the pop

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:18:07 EDT

Bicephale : Hi Angelo168,

A1> ...any way to flash the units with your JTAG yet?

The purpose of this very old post was to find out:

Thomson SpeedTouch 5x6 & 585 EJTAG "De-Brick" Access, Bicephale, 2007-Jul-2

I believed it would be logical for people handling
large numbers of SpeedTouch units to give it a try
but that's only one perspective among many others.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:53:34 EDT

DKS : Thank you for the clarification.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:52:49 EDT

DKS :

said by Angelo_ :

firmware versions after 6.2.x i was told after this version all firmware shows the 516 as a 536... has anyone else noticed this?

i'm starting to think there may have been a bad flash on ST part. Resaulting in some people having a hard time flashing. Bicephale any way to flash the units with your jtag yet??

If you refer to some of my earlier posts, that is exactly what happened to me. My 516v6 became a 536v6. »Re: Thomson SpeedTouch 5x6v6 FirmWare v6.2.H (v6.2.17.5)
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:50:27 EDT

DKS :

said by Angelo_ :

DKS this in no way is considered cracking warez etc etc plz learn exactly what it is it is doing

it's using the SDK taht is freely availiable on their site

That you for the useful clarification. Got a url for that?

Again, thank you for the clarification. It has been heretofore lacking.

Why should I learn? It has nothing to do with my core competencies or work. However, discussion of what may be proprietary business information in a public place might be of concern to some.

btw show me anywhere were the law has change other then your mind. Thank god i don't lease form there i'd go bank rupt in a minuite!

You don't read the rules of DSLR, I guess. :uhh:
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:38:23 EDT

Angelo_ : firmware versions after 6.2.x i was told after this version all firmware shows the 516 as a 536... has anyone else noticed this?

i'm starting to think there may have been a bad flash on ST part. Resaulting in some people having a hard time flashing. Bicephale any way to flash the units with your jtag yet??

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:32:45 EDT

Bicephale : Hummm...

Sorry DKS, i guess it's been a hot topic before...

Well, i respectfully submit to your attention that
the regulation's spirit wasn't to forbid technical
discussions of this nature:  allow me to point out
that Thomson is advertising their TelNet CLI shell
as a management method (it's in print right on the
box) while the FTP /dl/ sub-directory is mentioned
in the CLI manual (see "config save").  As for the
"root" user role it's only intended to give access
through the LAN & WAN interfaces simultaneously so
there's nothing crunchy here neither because those
levels are available as "Administrator" and "tech"
separately...  You can rest assured that the Linux
system hidden behind these documented resources is
tightly secured and remains out of anyone's reach.

Advanced configuration of the SpeedTouch implies a
sequence of TelNet CLI commands, in any case.  The
scary world of hackers (warez, cracks, malware) is
not even remotely related to such normal activity!

Now, lets push this one bit forward:  suppose i've
attached an E-JTAG connector to the SpeedTouch and
copied the whole Flash memory contents to disk for
backup.  In my opinion, there's absolutely nothing
wrong with that neither as long as i don't attempt
to edit Thomson's BootLoader and/or FirmWare which
are most likely digitally signed for all i know...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:24:57 EDT

Angelo_ : GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
Version 2, June 1991

4. You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is void, and will automatically terminate your rights under this License. However, parties who have received copies, or rights, from you under this License will not have their licenses terminated so long as such parties remain in full compliance.

that means actually compile any code that can make it act rough, you can modify it where the provider allows you

hmm just like the manual said? interesting ;)

You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:

a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)

i'm just speach less now... pretty much says it all for itself :)

you can read a unmodified version at
»www.linux.org/info/gnu.html
just bc i know you'd say i modified it which i didn't!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:20:12 EDT

Angelo_ : just to add a point quickly i do not want the flame wars tah twent on during the group buys to happen again... I would like to point out about dslr hosting modified firmware themselves for bell. If you tryuely belived taht dslr wouldn't even link to them in the bell forum.

Apperently you classify it as everything :huh:, nayways i don't want to start something under lack of knowledge.

BTW the modem is running linux which is open source which means you could modified anything you want on it...

show me anywhere in the GPL where it says it's warez. This road is a slippery sloap where your argument isn't there plainly please go ex mod somewhere where its more appropiatre for such as articles for piracy or osmething. I do not want to sound like an ass or go down on you hardly but serious this type of ignorance upsets me.

I hold a different bar for all mods and it just went down bc of your posts. I used to think all mods on dslr were somewhat educated. Obviously not!

Can we please stop the flame war that would just come out of this... I don't like power games. We told you were wronged proved it and you refuse to belive it. It's time though for everyoine to play nice we aren't kids... if you do not wish to read it thats your buisness but do not start saying bs bc you got a personal issue with it.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:48:16 EDT

Angelo_ : DKS this in no way is considered cracking warez etc etc plz learn exactly what it is it is doing

it's using the SDK taht is freely availiable on their site
if you think it is none woul d hire you for programming as you'd be creating warez with every program you make. In no way are you modifying how the modem actually works. This is how Thomson designed it.

But if you mean it requires someone hwo actually understands what they are doing.. then yes it does. DKS please learn period. I do not feel like fighting with anyone on this forum nor do i feel it is fair not giving someone protentially fixed solutions bc of one or two users.

most modems are isp customized... and in no way have we modified any modems as such. The modem itself has areas where you are able to upload to it that are designed for users. The documentation is out there freely but hey you know german be my guest. thats the only place you'd get white papers on the device.

btw show me anywhere were the law has change other then your mind. Thank god i don't lease form there i'd go bank rupt in a minuite!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:57:08 EDT

DKS :

said by Angelo_ :

dks no its not :), right in the maual user has the rights to btw

quote:
The discussion of "warez," "cracks," "malware" or the "how to" of uncapping modems is not condoned on the site. Period.

»Site FAQ »What are the Rules on Posting?
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 00:00:41 EDT

Angelo_ : dks no its not :), right in the maual user has the rights to btw

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:14:27 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

Would you please quote the passage you refer to?

Like this:

«You should NOT rely only upon the information
or opinions you read on this site. Rather, you should
use what you read here as starting points for doing
independent research on an ISP or DSL provider, then
judge for yourself the merits of the material that
has been shared in our forum.»

As far as i'm concerned there's nothing wrong with
the /dl/ subdirectory: it's the customer's setup area!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:31:05 EDT

DKS :

said by Angelo_ :

so far we figured out how to reverse the encrytion it uses and its just a matter of time be4 we know all user levels :). We have a work around for this also...

You realize that doing so and talking about it is considered a site terms of use violation. :(
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:19:10 EDT

Bicephale : Oh, i thought you wre looking for something like this:

'user.ini'

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:13:50 EDT

Angelo_ : many

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:13:23 EDT

Bicephale : There's a level beyond "root"?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:39:17 EDT

Angelo_ : so far we figured out how to reverse the encrytion it uses and its just a matter of time be4 we know all user levels :). We have a work around for this also...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:36:57 EDT

Bicephale : I'm not sure what other file(s) might be generated
by the addition of a new .ini configuration file but
i'll see what i have on record. I need some time.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:24:12 EDT

Angelo_ : i found some interesting timbits in the latest firmware they seem to support my theory that the 516's support multiplexing (kind of liek mlpppp) and should be compatible with little modifcations on the isps end..

ftp mode required: binary
»ftp://dsldevice.lan/dl

and send me the files there i dont need the certs just the templates :) ty again :D

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:41 EDT

Bicephale : I once had three options in the Wizard but i think it was
as a consequence to my Twin PPP setup and since this project
died months ago i'm not sure if i can even trace back the
.INI file which actually produced that effect, euh... But
if you convince me that it might help i'll take a look.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:10:29 EDT

Angelo_ : is any1 running the firmware where you have many options in the wizard can you please send me those files :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:54:44 EDT

Angelo_ : i'll have profiles soon for the 516's and im looking into enabling mlppp for the 516's easily ;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:08:36 EDT

Xtort : I just wanted to say thanks for posting this information. I got my SpeedTouch 516v6 and was able to get DMT up and going within an hour. :)

I'm a Telus user, so you can add me to the list of "Telus Experiments". :P
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:45:46 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

I wish i could experiment with ADSL2+ but Spectrum
Shaping under plain old ADSL will just have to do:

Tweaks, Bicephale, 2007-Oct-20

Anyway, i welcome you to share any trick you want!

:D

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:45:31 EDT

Old Computer :

said by Bicephale :

Euh...

SRA was supposed to be hidden somewhere inside one
of the MoDemOptions (Register 8, Bit 1), it seems:

»Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sorry for late response ... :(
Sra is supported by all French DSLAM. So it is not a problem with the ST546. (sra is NOT disabled).
In fact, I would force the dslam to send more power to gain a little speed (SNR). With 19.5 db (down) the speedtouch synchronize at 4,228 kbps at home. Actually I got 3616 Kbps and 18 Db. (Seen during long holidays when most people are swimming somewhere...) :) :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 03:15:29 EDT

Bicephale : Euh...

SRA was supposed to be hidden somewhere inside one
of the MoDemOptions (Register 8, Bit 1), it seems:

»Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:38:33 EDT

Angelo_ : it supports sra i seen it disabled in one of the options

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:29:43 EDT

Old Computer : I have to check your suggestion about "maxbitspertoneDS". The CLI is not very easy to read for me - My English is too bad - and there is no French translation for latest version.
About "extendedBWmode"... I have to learn about... :)

My need (and for others) is to force remote DSLAM to send 1,5 Db more for download in order to increase SNR then Speed sync. I stick with 18 Decibels and DMT when using registers 0E or / and 0D does nothing.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:51:35 EDT

Bicephale : Hi Old Computer,

I was hoping there could be a way to use some very
old v4.2.x FirmWares on a v6 SpeedTouch but that's
not likely to happen, i also believed that there's
a symetric CLI command for "maxbitspertoneUS" like
"maxbitspertoneDS" but it must have been in awaken
dreams only... Then, what about "extendedBWmode"?

Isn't there any real tweaking which can be done???

:huh:

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:37:49 EDT

Old Computer : Within my ST-536 I have tried to play with default tones (12) to 10 or different values. This just affect the Upload margin SNR by moving down the speed from 992 to 776 kbps...
I did not find how to get more download speed with a such long line with 1 km aerial wire copper with at least 20 Connection boxes on the way....!!! :( (Clean at home).

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:52:27 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

I tried to find some ANSI T1.413 variations, any luck with that?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:34:13 EDT

Old Computer : Hi,
I agree...
I use Alcatel SpeedTouch since 2001 with the first USB venerable "Green fish".. Then got a ST-510 and be happy for years. I switch to a ST 536 v5 for a while and bought (on Ebay) my ST-546 v6 just 3 days ago.
My line is 4,2 Km and 53 Db attenuation. Of course I can't reach the 8000 Kbps down and 1024 Kbps. DMT helped me to get the maximum (around 3800 /860) depending of the inter-modulation from others lines. Too many Adsl customers around me (more than 45.000 for one DSLAM)
Thanks for nice job. :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:52:04 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

This reboot thing is a gift from control-freaks of
the SpeedTouch team in Brussels... It's their way
to demonstrate how highly they think of 'DMT', but
you can thank the european ISPs because it's those
morons who made such weird deseases even possible:
Without their insistance, Thomson might have shown
more friendliness for the few technically oriented
customers who may choose to purchase a SpeedTouch.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:18:40 EDT

Old Computer : Hello,
Sorry to disturb this brilliant topic. :)
I have a question:
I use a SpeedTouch 546 v6 and just upgraded the Firmware from version 6.0.5.0 to UK 6.1.4.6 after reading mostly all 35 pages.... ouch !
DMT version 7.21 does not work properly anymore: The three windows are grey and If I enable SNR-Monitor (start), the modem reboot. :(
Is there a clue ?.
Thanks for any advice. :)

Edit ** Just got DMT 7344 and it works fine... Sorry :(

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:18:47 EDT

anon : Woot! I figured it out.

I didn't have to put the router in bridge mode after all.

I had to put the modem back to bridge mode to make this work.

The problem is that the new modem is running DHCP - my old modem didn't do that. So my router was assigning the modem DHCP the IP that was assigned to my computer DHCP before (the computer was being bumped up one IP). All I had to do was change the port forwarding settings on the router to be directed to the new IP that my computer was being assigned.

Works perfectly now and I didn't have to buy a new router. :)

Thanks for your help guys.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:51:07 EDT

Bicephale : You need to use the external router like a switch?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:20:15 EDT

anon : Bicephale - I'm talking about the router, not the modem.

DKS - I'm not at home right now, but I believe it's the BEFW11S4 (wireless-B). It's old, and I should probably get a new one. Any recommendations? :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:59:58 EDT

DKS :

said by Ampler :

Theres my problem. It doesn't have a bridge mode.

What model LinkSys router?
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:07:25 EDT

Bicephale : No "Bridge" mode?!... I use no external router but i'd check with the Wizard:

I certainly recall seeing "Bridge" below the "Routed PPP" item often enough.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:00:19 EDT

anon : Theres my problem. It doesn't have a bridge mode.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:20:26 EDT

DKS :

said by ampler :

OK this is going to sound stupid, but I can't access the GUI through the router. I can only access it when the modem is hooked up directly to the computer. How do I access it with the router hooked up? It obviously can't see the router to assign the public IP.

You need to put your router in bridge mode so it doesn't do login and have the login done by your modem.
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:18:59 EDT

anon : OK this is going to sound stupid, but I can't access the GUI through the router. I can only access it when the modem is hooked up directly to the computer. How do I access it with the router hooked up? It obviously can't see the router to assign the public IP.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:58:40 EDT

Bicephale : Hummm... I may have found something, here's a rough translation:

1
Access the GUI at speedtouch.lan

2
Search for "Home Network" from the menu and click on "Devices"
("Local Network Devices")

3
Click "Pick a task"

4
Go to "Assign the public IP address or a connection to a device"
("Assign the public IP address or a connection to a LAN device")

5
Find "Internet Service" then "Edit"

6
Selected the PC from a Device list by its IP address

7
Click on "Apply"

Sorry but i can't verify this since my SpeedTouch is offline...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:31:33 EDT

anon : I have an issue. I am running a Linksys Router which has port forwarding set up for a few applications.

After hooking up my new Speedtouch 516 (in bridged mode), my ports do not seem to be forwarding anymore.

i.e., my Torrent client is having NAT issues now and they weren't before with my old modem.

Anyone know how to solve this issue?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:20:45 EDT

TilhasBB : nice find :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:17:23 EDT

Bicephale : Hi TilHasBB,

For 'DMT' to work it might be necessary to use the
"disable Pingcheck" option (see "Misc. Settings"),
that's all there was to do to make it work too!...

ST546v6 - DMT via Remote Assistance Numeric URL
ST546v6 - DMT via Remote Assistance Litteral URL

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:05:31 EDT

Bicephale : Hi Gabier77,

All right, here's a clue... Or two, actually!

:D

Need more? Read the "CLI Manual"...

ST546v6 STMT Statistics via WAN-Side Numeric Address
ST546v6 STMT Statistics via WAN-Side Litteral Address

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:42:16 EDT

TilhasBB : Good to hear.

The first hop when you set the modem to routed mode will be high because the modem set to respond to ping at a VERY low priority. So dont look at first hop.

Ping google.com as bridge then ping it as routed you'll see no difference. I tried it.

Bridge
MSS/MTU 1452/1492

Routed
MSS/MTU 1440/1480

you can always use Raspppoe which is what I do to get the 1492 MTU :)

Difference in speed is 545kb/sec vs 550kb/sec.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:41:39 EDT

gabier77 : A thing I had not said: in final point, the modem was not connected to the box with WinXP but to an other box acting as my LAN router, under Linux. This box was acting as PPPoE client (modem in Bridge mode) and still acting as DHCP server for my LAN.

I reconfigured it so that the modem now act as a DHCP server for my router-box and use it's own PPPoE client. Unfortunately, that does not seem to reduce my ping...

On the router-box, all three eth are back in DHCP.
I don't know if the translation of the MTU from 1500 to 1492 (now made by the modem) is the problem, but it was the same problem when the translation was made by the router-box on eth1 (ppp0 over it).

Even when there's no traffic, my ping to my isp-gateway (the first hop in a traceroute) is never below 65ms when, it seem, there is DHCP in the setup...

Changing the MTU from 1500 to 1492 for all my eth in my router-box do not result in any improvement...

Edit: Please, forget it. Previously, after reseting my modem, I did not check if the synch was good... I supposed that it was become again perfect, disabled settings quickly and connected it to my router-box...

But anyway, I prefer doing the PPPoE from my linux box because the box get the isp-IP, it's simpler to route. Moreover (not sure of my english here), the DHCP server in the ST516 seemed to be in conflict with the DHCP server on the linux box... The ST516 saw the WinXP box, but not connected from the linux box, but directly to the ST516, and gave it a IP! But from the Win box, the IP used is the IP delivered by the DHCP on the linux box... So I think I will return to the Bridge mode, but checking the synch with DMT before connecting it to the linux router :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:35:01 EDT

TilhasBB : speed routed would be faster. Ping should be the same after we disabled everything. Give it a shot.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:44:23 EDT

gabier77 :

said by TilhasBB :

1) Are you on a wireless router? if so go wired and try the tweak test again.

No, it was a direct connection from the modem to the PC. WinXP's firewall was disabled during the test.

said by TilhasBB :

2) You could set your modem to routed mode and you would gain a little more.

Seriously? I believed that the Bridge mode was better for speed and ping...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:53:56 EDT

TilhasBB : Everything is perfect but your transfer efficiency: 88%
1)
Are you on a wireless router? if so go wired and try the tweak test again.
2)
You could set your modem to routed mode and you would gain a little more.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:00:55 EDT

gabier77 :

said by TilhasBB :

push the reset button on the back of the modem
Disable all your upnp and all
then type in ":service system ifadd name=PING_RESPONDER group=wan"
Type in "ids config state=disabled", to Disable intrusion detection
Type in dsd config state=disabled
then type "saveall"
then type "exit"

Done!

said by TilhasBB :

2)
Go here
»/tweaks
post your results

»/tweakr/block:···nXPpppoe

said by TilhasBB :

3) Go here
Run a speed test
»www.mountaincable.net/index.php?···,0,0,1,0

another...

said by TilhasBB :

your PAYING for 5megabit
5056/800 Sync
Maximum Theortical is 85% around. So 5056 *.85 = 4300! anything above 4000 is amazing

Thank you for the informations!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:28:00 EDT

TilhasBB : gabier77>
Ahhh A fellow Montrealer :)

your line is AMAZING stop tweaking the modem.
First thing i want you to do is push the reset button on the back of the modem, undo all what you did.
Disable all your upnp and all then do this

click START
click RUN
type "cmd" and hit OK
in the black window that appears type "telnet" and press ENTER
type "open 192.168.1.254"
for username type "Administrator" (very important you type the capital "A")
for password leave it blank...just hit ENTER
then type in ":service system ifadd name=PING_RESPONDER group=wan"
Type in "ids config state=disabled", to Disable intrusion detection
Type in dsd config state=disabled
then type "saveall"
then type "exit"

Your Line is amazing no need for tweaking. Dont touch the modem !
Ne Touchez PAS !! lol

2)
Go here
»/tweaks
post your results

3) Go here
Run a speed test
»www.mountaincable.net/index.php?···,0,0,1,0

your PAYING for 5megabit
5056/800 Sync
Maximum Theortical is 85% around. So 5056 *.85 = 4300! anything above 4000 is amazing

If you want a Benchmark. Mine line ;) and you know i've done a lot of tweaking I get 4223/673

I saw your thread earlier dont worry about the modem pings if its in router mode not bridge its a littler high. no worry as long as the final ping is good

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:15:21 EDT

gabier77 : Hi, (dit-il avec son meilleur anglais)

My modem is a Speedtouch 516v6.
I did not touch the firmware, it's a 6.1.0.5.
The modem is in Bridge mode, WinXP does the PPPoE client.
Remote Assistance, UPnP, Address Filtering, Firewall, DynDns, all are disabled. I don't know how to, or if it's possible to disable Intrusion Detection.

The technician who made the installation gave me the exact address where my line is connected, its on the other side of the street, less than one km. "for the remaining way to the CO, it is by optical fibre", that he said to me, in french of course... My connection, sold as a 5mbps/800kbps, give me actually 4,1mbps/650mbps in the best case.
Tweaking with DMT (the target noise margin) do not seem to help...
Here is the first result, before tweaking:
»img402.imageshack.us/img402/9978···1uq1.jpg

After many, many, many tweakings with worse speeds and pings for results, I got something similar from what I had at the beginning...:
»img237.imageshack.us/img237/5434···0kt0.png

I do not dare touching it again because I'm sure that, after some other tweaks, when I will reconfigure it with this setting, I will not get this quality of line again! Maybe I just don't understand the program...

Does somebody see something abnormal with my line?
Is there a way to improve my line, or it's the best than I can draw from it?

Thank you

(partly translated by babelfish...)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:49:12 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

Thanks, but there's quite a significant difference
between a planned feature and a broken one so this
made me curious! We need to keep an eye opened!!!

:p

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:01:29 EDT

Angelo_ : i think it was on thomsons whitepapper i read it or one of their forums where it was stated. For companies to do this is normal

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:21:15 EDT

KINgGh0sT : I put it in bridged mode, and then I tried to setup the router to PPPoE but I wasnt sure all the info I should put in. Its a Dlink 624

I assume its Dynamic, so I put in all my login details for DSL, and wasnt sure what the MTU, Max Idle time should be set to.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:07:32 EDT

Bicephale : Hi,

said by Angelo_ :

guys all of the 516 and family can't do sra... :(

That's a surprizing statement, can you share your sources?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:32:02 EDT

DKS :

said by KINgGh0sT :

Also I've been trying to set up my Modem to just be a modem and not a router, as I have a Dlink Router I would like to use. I have the 516, so if someone could walk me through it would be nice

Connect the modem directly to the computer and rerun the setup program. That will put it in bridge mode. Set the router to PPPoE and you should be good.
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:44:48 EDT

Angelo_ : guys all of the 516 and family can't do sra... :(

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:43:18 EDT

Angelo_ : yup call in awesome stats :), you shouldn't have any issues.. im so jelous!!!!!!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:59:00 EDT

KINgGh0sT : Here's my DMT Screenie, from what I can tell everything looks decent, cept well my package is suppose to be 5mbits not 3

Also I've been trying to set up my Modem to just be a modem and not a router, as I have a Dlink Router I would like to use. I have the 516, so if someone could walk me through it would be nice

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:18:14 EDT

Bicephale : Hi Satch,

Since you've got nothing to loose there's this:

»Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)
(Try alternate MoDem Options like the 1st two)

This:

(Try alternate DSL Standards)

Or this:

»Re: Recommended Version for ST516
(Throw money at it!)

Sorry, my guru says it gets "foggy" beyond that!

Addendum

Oh, and perhaps you can ask your ISP to be put
on 4032/384 Kbps as you don't get more anyway!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:07:03 EDT

satch6 : Tried another NIC, disabled SRA but still got 5 resets in less than 14 hours.
I'll get an UPS from a friend of mine just to check if it can be a power issue.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:23:33 EDT

Bicephale : Bad luck!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:19:04 EDT

DKS :

said by satch6 :

Tried a different ethernet cable but the resyncs continued.
Back to Sagem USB Modem and no more resyncs.
Why do I have only problems with ethernet modems?
This is very strange.

Bad NIC.
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:43:12 EDT

Bicephale : Ha! Ha!

Well, our best wishes are with you but i meant SRA
is better to be off if it happens to be defective:
Seamless Rate Adaptation (SRA) is a relatively new
feature, its purpose to adjust the rate until your
connection is stable so it may explain how you got
4095/509 Kbps. A line full of zeros would be more
suitable, unless you do have a HardWare problem...

Does a Sagem F@st 800 unit support ADSL2+, anyway?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:13:22 EDT

satch6 :

said by Bicephale :

Hi Satch,

Something tells me that 4095/509 Kbps isn't really
standard.  Your connection should be rock solid if
the SRA feature is working correctly:  with an SNR
Margin of 20.5 dB while on ADSL2+ InterLeaved plus
an RCO that's below 45 % both ways, euh...  It has
got to be SRA - Oh, and i almost forgot to mention
that your peer is a BroadCom DSLAM!  Perhaps there
an issue with SRA.  Hummm...  I'll ask to my guru.

LOL!

I tried adsl config modemoption = 00000000200000000200000000000000 but didn't work either.
I have a network card around and I'll try what TilhasBB sugested.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:48:03 EDT

Bicephale : Hi Satch,

Something tells me that 4095/509 Kbps isn't really
standard.  Your connection should be rock solid if
the SRA feature is working correctly:  with an SNR
Margin of 20.5 dB while on ADSL2+ InterLeaved plus
an RCO that's below 45 % both ways, euh...  It has
got to be SRA - Oh, and i almost forgot to mention
that your peer is a BroadCom DSLAM!  Perhaps there
an issue with SRA.  Hummm...  I'll ask to my guru.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:15:53 EDT

TilhasBB : buy an ethernet card there very cheap. try the new one. could be a bad ethernet card

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:53:32 EDT

satch6 : Tried a different ethernet cable but the resyncs continued.
Back to Sagem USB Modem and no more resyncs.
Why do I have only problems with ethernet modems?
This is very strange.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:27:16 EDT

DKS :

said by satch6 :

I've tried the D-Link 604T but I also had resyncs. :huh:

The ethernet cable that connects the modem to the pc was made by me. Can the problem be on the ethernet cable?

Absolutely. Try a professionally made cable and see what happens.
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:01:15 EDT

satch6 : It's written on the back 516v6.
I've always though the problems were on the line or the card at the central, but after having line stability for more than a week on the Sagem I've tought is was the 516v6.

I've tried the D-Link 604T but I also had resyncs. :huh:

The ethernet cable that connects the modem to the pc was made by me. Can the problem be on the ethernet cable? I'm asking this because the Sagem it's a usb modem and I don't have resyncs with that modem.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:46:53 EDT

Bicephale : Hi TilHasBB,

You're right to refocus this for me, i'd confess i
lost track of the thread and he did complain about
experiencing a few resynchronization events a day,
to begin with;  the mention of FirmWare v6.0.1.5.0
being "locked" on his SpeedTouch 516v6 came later.

My only possible answer at this stage is to try my
ANSI T1.413 Experimental Tweak as suggested before
but then i have to wonder how "locked" this device
really happens to be...  If his D-Link 604T router
is set to manage the PPP session it should be seen
by the SpeedTouch which will switch to "dumb" mode
as a result, lets hope an external router can cure
the problem!  As you know, i appreciate my ST546v6
for its capability to provide information relative
to the instantaneous spectral response and RCO but
i'm not really fond of what has become of the late
FirmWares released by the Brussels team;  if Satch
is lucky, going "dumb" might prove to be useful!!!

If he's having excessive noise then i believe he's
got nothing to loose by searching around about DMT
versus his Sagem F@st 800 unit:  it would be great
if this contraption could generate noise curves...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:53:15 EDT

TilhasBB : Bicephale> Your Right. I just linked it from the v6 folder and forgot :)

I have a feeling its not his modem its the line card or something along the line.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:41:24 EDT

Bicephale : Hi TilHasBB,

I might be all wrong but i seem to recall that the
STv5 are compatible with FirmWare 'ZZQ2AA5.40E'...

;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:36:01 EDT

Bicephale : Hi Satch,

Don't give up hope yet unless you already made the
choice to quit trying definitively!  I'm sorry for
your misery but who knows if it won't be solved in
a near future.  Here's what ours look like, in the
meatime.  As you can see from the image above your
SpeedTouch doesn't differ so much, it's a "Bant-V"
board and the FirmWare nomenclature seems familiar
but for one thing:  that's the "CN" variation.  My
advice is to search for other "CN" FirmWares first
or if you're desperate even a few "UK" releases...

The sticky note on top of this forum happens to be
pointing at this address, maybe you should try it:

http://www.speedtouch.co.uk/downloads/5x6/62UK/5x6v6_62H5_UK.bin

One last remark, TFTPD32 won't mind about FirmWare
priviledges so i'd leave the UpGrade Wizard alone;
it may suffice if you have some luck on your side!

If that fails, there's still my "De-Brick" thread.

SpeedTouch UpGrade Wizard - DownGrade Compatibility

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:13:55 EDT

TilhasBB : satch> flip your modem over and check is it 516V6 or V5?

and i dont think its the modem at this point. It sounds like the card you have at the central office's end is nuts. Call up your ISP and open a ticket tell them you've tried multiple modems and different jacks. Its not on your end.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:05:23 EDT

satch6 : @TilhasBB
Although I can log into the modem, I cannot change the firmware, as you can see by the pictures above.
Regarding the power issues, I've tried a different power outlet on the same room and on another room. I still got lots of resyncs.
Regarding line problems, if I use a Sagem F@st 800 modem I don't have resyncs.

@Bicephale
When I said this modem was a piece of electronic garbage, I as only kidding. I'm tired of this situation. I've been trying to solve this problem since February.

A friend of mine, borrowed me a D-Link 604T router. I'll try it during the weekend and I'll report how it behaves.

One more thing, I thought the modem didn't like to be called a piece of electronic garbage. I didn't had any resyncs for more than 20 hours. But after that, I got 6 resyncs. Here's the log:

Sep 20 20:53:34 xDSL linestate down
Sep 20 20:54:01 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 4095 kbit/s, upstream: 509 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.0 dBm, Up: 12.0 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 37.5 dB, Up: 21.0 dB; snr Margin Down: 18.0 dB, Up: 22.0 dB)
Sep 21 17:21:47 xDSL linestate down
Sep 21 17:22:15 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 4095 kbit/s, upstream: 509 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.0 dBm, Up: 12.0 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 37.5 dB, Up: 21.0 dB; snr Margin Down: 16.0 dB, Up: 22.0 dB)
Sep 21 18:28:32 xDSL linestate down
Sep 21 18:28:59 xDSL linestate down
Sep 21 18:29:17 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 4095 kbit/s, upstream: 509 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.0 dBm, Up: 12.0 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 36.5 dB, Up: 21.0 dB; snr Margin Down: 20.5 dB, Up: 22.5 dB)
Sep 21 19:39:55 xDSL linestate down
Sep 21 19:40:22 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 4095 kbit/s, upstream: 509 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.0 dBm, Up: 12.0 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 37.5 dB, Up: 21.0 dB; snr Margin Down: 16.5 dB, Up: 22.0 dB)
Sep 21 19:54:44 xDSL linestate down
Sep 21 19:55:12 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 4095 kbit/s, upstream: 509 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.5 dBm, Up: 12.0 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 37.5 dB, Up: 21.0 dB; snr Margin Down: 20.0 dB, Up: 22.0 dB)
Sep 21 20:02:14 xDSL linestate down
Sep 21 20:02:41 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 4095 kbit/s, upstream: 509 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.0 dBm, Up: 12.0 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 37.5 dB, Up: 21.0 dB; snr Margin Down: 19.5 dB, Up: 22.0 dB)
Sep 21 21:11:07 xDSL linestate down
Sep 21 21:11:35 xDSL linestate up (downstream: 4095 kbit/s, upstream: 509 kbit/s; output Power Down: 17.0 dBm, Up: 12.0 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 37.5 dB, Up: 21.0 dB; snr Margin Down: 19.0 dB, Up: 22.5 dB)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:36:23 EDT

Bicephale : Hummm...

A lot of people here would strongly disagree about
calling the SpeedTouch 5x6 electronic garbage, the
risk of getting two defective units from Thomson's
distribution network would be so slim there has to
be another explanation! I wish the SpeedTouch had
superior capabilities in the tweak department, the
Spectral Shaping techniques are quite limited with
it and it has little in common with such drawings:

But the door isn't completely closed, nonetheless:

SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :), Bicephale, 2007-Jun-18

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:27:54 EDT

TilhasBB : satch>

I've never seen the ST516 modems being locked.
If you can log into the modem with DMT you know the username and password i dont see how its locked...

For fun lets Try the wizard
»ugolini.com.au/speedtouch/Thomso···4421.zip
try the oldest software first 5.4 firmware
»ugolini.com.au/speedtouch/router···.40E.bin
see if its stable if not try
Latest software 6.2.H
»ugolini.com.au/speedtouch/router···.2H5.bli

If it still reboots with the oldest firmware and the newest firmware i think you have a power issue. Try the modem in a different poweroutlet and jack see if it still reboots.
Looking at your stats you have a lot of errors but your stats aren't so bad... something is wrong with the line.
Honestly I'd put the oldest firmware and see how stable it is. if not try the latest and Bicephale willtry the shaping method and see if that helps

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:43:10 EDT

satch6 : I give up! :huh:

I tried everything but cannot solve the resets this modem gives.

I've set modemoptions 00 fo f8, 08 to 02, 0D and 0E to 80, OF to 01, set ADSL Standard to ADSLv1 instead of ADSLv2, but still got problems.

This is the second 516v6 that I have, because I though the other one was damaged. Besides the resyncs, I had also random reboots. With this one, I had one random reboot yesterday.

I think the best solution is to throw this piece of eletronic garbage in the trash can. :D

I've made some searchs and I'll probabbly buy a Linksys AM200EU.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:57:36 EDT

Bicephale : Portugal?! This post is from someone is a very similar situation:

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/645460.html

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:58:02 EDT

satch6 : I've pressed the reset button with the power off. Pressed the power button and waited until one of the leds blinked red.
I didn't had any error on Tftpd32, but the firmware version stays the same.

SpeedTouch 516 (pots) eth=SINGLE
board_name=BANT-V companyID=ALCL
flash_image=6.1.0.5.0 build_name=ZZQ0CN6.105
bcm96338_V1.0.109ad_ADSL_PHY_A2pBT009.d16l

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:29:05 EDT

Bicephale : Or flip the power switch off and on once before booting is complete.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:23:51 EDT

Angelo_ : if i can recell how i forced it was that i reset it and had the proggie looking for the device as soon as i released the reset switch. I think this is the only way to earse the isp custom settings on the 516 v6...

try it and let us know!!!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:02:59 EDT

Bicephale : Hummm... A custom BootLoader?

Perhaps this would have enough punch but it's for a v5:

»Re: Thomson SpeedTouch 5x6 & 585 EJTAG "De-Brick" Access

I haven't got any confirmation that it works on a v6 yet.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:04:30 EDT

satch6 :

said by Angelo_ :

satch whos your isp?

It's sapo from Portugal.

I think the bootp procedure will not work with the locked firmware. Someone tried it and could not upgrade the firmware.
I'll try different Target Noise Margin values on DMT, hoping it can solve my problem.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:45:20 EDT

Angelo_ : satch whos your isp?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:39:55 EDT

Bicephale : That feels quite like dejà vu but here it goes:

»The SpeedTouch "BootP Reset" recovery procedure

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:51:25 EDT

satch6 : It doesn't belong to the ISP. I've paid for it, but it's locked.
I can try the bootp procedure, if someone tell me how to do it. :D

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:41:58 EDT

Bicephale : Oh, if the ISP owns it i suppose you can't use the BootP Procedure!...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:15:26 EDT

satch6 : Here it is:

I have firmware 6.0.1.5.0 but cannot change to another because the modem is locked to my ISP.
The ISP swap this 51v6 for another one that I had, because they thought it was damaged.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:04:43 EDT

Angelo_ : post your dmt screen shot

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:28:14 EDT

anon : My Speedtouch 516 is very unstable. The line resyncs more than once per day.
If I use a Sagem F@st 800 USB modem, I don't have this problem. The line is very stable.
Can someone help me tweaking the modem so I don't get these resyncs?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:39:18 EDT

Angelo_ : i ment with the file i am hosting geeze people!!!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:21:43 EDT

Angelo_ : guys if any of you have bandwidth issues please let me know!! :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:34:07 EDT

Bicephale : Hi JFMezei_,

I won't speak for TilHasBB but i don't feel like a
guru at all since there are times i wish one could
answer my questions because i've got more of these
than i've got clues, actually. But thanks anyway!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:16:37 EDT

jfmezei : >But honestly,
>the gurus are elsewhere in my opinion so i suggest
>to visit these sites in hope for further progress:

But I though you and TihasBB were the real gurus :-) :-)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:19:32 EDT

Bicephale : Hi JFMezei_,

It's obvious there must be a definite advantage in
using a separate router, provided its manufacturer
does everything in his power to protect the user's
knowledge by sticking to one familiar environment,
of course.  I wish i could do more but that's only
my first SpeedTouch and i have rather modest needs
anyway, though i can testify that TelNet will save
you some frustration at times.  I noticed that the
'user.ini' syntax is very similar to CLI language;
titles between square brackets are usually forming
the start of a command, or at least it's a clue as
to what the key word may look like.  But honestly,
the gurus are elsewhere in my opinion so i suggest
to visit these sites in hope for further progress:

http://www.speedtouch.net.nz/forum/default.asp?CAT_ID=1
http://www.speedtouchforum.de/viewforum.php?f=5
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-threads.cfm?f=82

Good luck!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:05:24 EDT

jfmezei : >It was suggested to me to read documention for the
>608/620 series even if this is the Business-class:

>SpeedTouch 608/620 Documentation

Thanks Bicephale. That helped a little bit. I haven't yet found it, but there may be a way to implement the filtering I need, not by filtering packets, but by only accepting packets coming from the WAN ethernet port of my router. (since such a port would only send out PPPoE ethernet frames) and the modem would therefore not process clustering broadcasts (or appletak broadcasts etc).

I was able to trim out a lot of the crap from the user.ini and the modem does seem to boot. There is more crap I can remove and turn off as well. A lot of the stuff is probably there to feel pull down lists onthe web interface (like the gazillion games that are pre-defined).

But this has made me realise just how much better my old netgear router is when it comes to NAT and filtering. I say "better" because it is far more obvious what its config does. (call coming in to that port range gets directed to that LAN IP address for instance).

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:10:32 EDT

Bicephale : Hi JFMezei_,

If you feel there should be more flushing then you
can try to remove the rest of the extra stuff thru
ftp hoping 'user.ini' won't end up being rejected.

It was suggested to me to read documention for the
608/620 series even if this is the Business-class:

SpeedTouch 608/620 Documentation

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:00:45 EDT

jfmezei : >I do not recommend manual editing of 'user.ini' if
>it can be avoided: you may end up reflashing your
>SpeedTouch to get rid of a defective configuration
>otherwise!

Or simply press the reset button in the back of the modem for about 7 seconds to initiate a "factory defaults" at which point, you get the default user.ini file.

>I'm afraid you'll need to use a TelNet
>client to issue CLI commands

No need to be affraid to use Telnet... Also, I can setup user.ini locally and use ftp to send it to the modem, reboot and voila, new config in place. It is a shame though that the user,ini isn't made of pure cli commands.

>Set up router in pure bridge mode

Yep, I had gone to that site. The problem I have with those commands is that I have no way to know/understand what else is leftover from the rest of the config and whether the modem will have other "capabilities" still active. That is why I would like to start off with a clean slate and activate only what I need.

>As for the 3rd part, welcome to the No Man's Land!

Yeah. I had toyed a bit with the modem when I got it last year (of whenever thsoe group purchases were done), but gave up when I had other priorities. Now that Bell is considering raising speeds, I figured I would need to get this puppy going since my old 3com doesn't do ADSL2.

But am now wondering if it might not be simpler to get a new modem that has less complex setup and better documentation. The CLI document may provide all the options to commands, but it doesn't explain them.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:04:48 EDT

Bicephale : Hi JFMezei_,

I suggest you look at the '\Templates\*.tpl' files
on your SpeedTouch Residential CD-ROM, you'll find
that the syntax is similar.  You can safely assume
your remark lines should start with an apostrophe,
which means ASCII character #39)d would be used...

I do not recommend manual editing of 'user.ini' if
it can be avoided:  you may end up reflashing your
SpeedTouch to get rid of a defective configuration
otherwise!  I'm afraid you'll need to use a TelNet
client to issue CLI commands, ultimately;  you can
try to start "from the ground up" while the syntax
and structure are verified interactively.  If your
project requires some guru advice then be prepared
to feel alone in the middle of nowhere but this is
not the case here - i already mentioned the XS4All
pages for the SpeedTouch but here it is once more:

Set up router in pure bridge mode

While we're at it try this other link too since it
seems related to the second part of your question:

Create manually a Bridge connection

As for the 3rd part, welcome to the No Man's Land!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:49:34 EDT

jfmezei : Ok, pardon the newbie questions.

1- In USER.INI, is there a way to add comments to the file ?

2- When configuring modem from scratch, it is better to start with a blank USER.INI and only add your own commands to define only what you need ? (I need mine to be a DSL modem only, not a router).

3- When operating in "bridge mode" (aka: DSL modem only) is it possible to add a filter then ensures only PPPoE ethernet frames are passed on to the ATM interface ? The modem may see other non PPPoE ethernet frames from time to time and I do not want those to be passed on to the DSL side.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:28:59 EDT

Bicephale : Hi SammyJ,

You'll find a clear mention about Spectral Shaping
in old SpeedTouch documents by Thomson, i believe:

E-DOC-CRN-20040405-0002_v2
SpeedTouch 510 Multi-User ADSL GateWays
Customer Realease Note, Chap. 1, sect. 1.2.2, "New Features"

«reduce the upstream bandwidth in favour of
downstream bandwidth on long loops. This is
done by shaping the upstream power of ADSL»

Here's how i understand the concept in my own way:

Stats help from someone at Teksavvy, Bicephale, 2007-Jul-24

«less UpStream power means less noise injection
and this is what i seem to be observing»

And this, dear SammyJ, is a radical demonstration:

Tweaks, Bicephale, 2007-Aug-27

«I'd like some Feed-Back on this,
the UpStream part in particular...»

Thomson didn't earase all of the traces, actually:

SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :), TilHasBB, 2007-Feb-16

There's a nice graphic at the end of this old post
illustrating how i understood it eight months ago:

Need help with gnet bb0060a, Bicephale, 2007-Jan-25

Now, about TelNet...  I seem to gather that you're
already able to use 'DMT' judging from a snapshot:

Is a higher profile worth the low SN ratio?, SammyJ, 2007-Aug-30

It shouldn't be a problem for you to apply the CLI
command i provided you before;  i'm hoping to hear
of you very soon, an other 'DMT' snapshoot will be
most appreciated.  Enjoy the day SammyJ, have fun!

Notice:  to the attention of users who may need to
put their ST5x6 unit back to its default settings,
i'm quite pleased to suggest a document graciously
published by Angelo168 as a simple reminder guide:

AngNet's ST516 Guide

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:11:06 EDT

sammyj : What exactly is the purpose in spectral shaping, and how do I go about doing it.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:19:52 EDT

Bicephale : Sorry, i don't see what information is missing...

Though, TFTPD32 may help you to provide us clues!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:31:12 EDT

Angelo_ : i'm having issues upgrading my 516... how do i do it.. maybe i'm doing it wrong :/

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:13:52 EDT

Bicephale : It's now v0.7.5 and it shows up in BoxFan's late signature. Use this link for updates:

http://modemtool.de/download.html

;)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:39:59 EDT

Angelo_ : download link for STMTv0.7.2?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 15 Jul 2007 05:39:37 EDT

anon : Hi, Piotrick.
I hope I hope your connection is ok.
Can you please send me newest firmware for
SpeedTouch 780WL device.
I can help you with linux administration questions.
Thanks.
Sysadmin
Lithuania, Vilnius
dimigu@gmail.com

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:17:03 EDT

Bicephale : Hi Sdgaman21,

You should find all the information required here:

»Re: My experience with Velcom so far...
»The SpeedTouch "BootP Reset" recovery procedure

If i understood correctly, FirmWare v6.2.17.5 does
not appear to bring stability to everyone.  That's
quite interesting to read, i wondered what it felt
like for other SpeedTouch owners!  Well, it leaves
you v5.4.0.14 i suppose.  Perhaps the ST is better
for those who are lucky to get access to ADSL2+...
Or maybe you got needs better served by in-between
versions, it's possible since i have modest needs.

Hummm...  But some troubleshooting would be needed
here, we don't know the model/version and it's not
clear what type of disruptions you have, actually.

Perhaps the ATM/DSL/PPP link isn't failing at all,
did you disable the Web Browsing Interception (aka
Differentiated Service Delivery in a CLI session)?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:25:20 EDT

anon : I have a problem with a firmware upgrade I downloaded. It's the latest firmware, but it ever since I upgraded, I can't stay connected to my counter-strike games. Every time I go to speedtouch.lan it shows as another model, so I was just wondering how I can downgrade to the original firmware that I had when I got the modem? I opened the ports for counterstrike, and googled up my program and it seems people with speedtouch modems that upgraded their firmware also have the same problem, and I have been dying to find out how to downgrade back to my original firmware!

Thanks for the help!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:42:47 EDT

Bicephale : Hi TilHasBB,

Oh i'm so glad, you ought to see this!  It appears
BoxFan just released 'STMTv0.7.2' and he added the
feature which i've submitted to his attention:  24
hours noise records are now on their way to become
a reality with the SpeedTouch series!  I'm crying!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:06:06 EDT

TilhasBB : Don't have Adsl2+ or know anyone who does :(

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:57:03 EDT

Bicephale : Hi TilHasBB,

Do you know ST users with ADSL2+ who can try this:

I'd bet MoDemOption Register 8 Bit 1 is for SRA...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:17:23 EDT

Bicephale : Hi TilHasBB,

This graphic is made of superposed 'STMT' captures
which i accumulated over a couple days while i was
testing FirmWare v6.2.17.5-AA (Int'l).  Raw speeds
displayed by 'STMT' were unchanged (5056/800 Kbps)
despite the split bands below 138 KHz but i didn't
try to verify that those numbers really matched by
evaluating my effective transfer speeds...  At 1st
glance, this MoDem Option seemed to work well:  my
DownStream RCO was quite steady at 60 % but then i
started to experience multiple disruptions, my SNR
margin went as low as 8.5 dB and i finally lost my
connection with TekSavvy.  As a consequence, i put
back my GNet BB0060B MoDem on-line with a Twin PPP
configuration to help with troubleshooting then it
turned out that i could recover access thru VelCom
only, which abruptly put an end to this testing...

As far as i can tell, ANSI T1.413 allows alternate
bandwidth shapes but it may as well be a defect in
Thomson's SpeedTouch FirmWare or (why not) 'STMT'.

:p

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:24:59 EDT

TilhasBB : So you have more download from the upload part?

I thought that was an ADSL2+ Feature

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:41:19 EDT

Bicephale : ANSI T1.413 + Sprectral Shaping?:

ST5x6 (v6.2.17.5-AA) Experimental Tweak

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:17:42 EDT

Bicephale : Any comments about one of these ST5x6 CLI commands?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:03:49 EDT

Bicephale : I'd consider a setup that looks more like this...

:D

Lesser Parasitic Components (Antenna, etc.)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:22:37 EDT

Bicephale : Oh...

Can you see the anntena array better now?

;)

Antenna array in red!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:48:08 EDT

rseiler : Thanks for the link! I think the problem with using a DSL splitter at the point of demarcation is that it would block any possibility of having a phone in the office (the DSL side of the split).

Eliminating the 15ft-cable OR locating the modem in the apartment on the other line (I tried both) bought me another 3 or 4dB, so I'm up to 17 now. Since you say 12/40 should be enough, I'm fairly confident this will work. I'll report back.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:19:20 EDT

Bicephale : An 8 dB DownStream SNR margin with around 60 dB attentuation
is a cause of concern, 12+ db with only 40 dB shouldn't be.

This is what i consider the ideal wiring for people in homes:

»Re: Feed-Back from a grateful customer!

If you can get close to that then there may be good hope...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:05:59 EDT

rseiler : Just a quick follow-up here before I disconnect again: Eliminating the phone splitter bumped the Downstream SNR to 12.5/13, depending on when I look at it. How high does it have to be before it's no longer borderline?

What is the significance of the "Number of resets" in the yellow section on the right of DMT's page?

The setup here from the demarcation box is one line going to the apartment (where there's a phone behind a filter), and the other line going to an office in another part of the building. It's in the office where I have the PC and the splitter: one half going to the modem (over that soon-to-be gone 15ft cord) and the other half going to a multipurpose printer (with FAX), which is behind a filter.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:17:42 EDT

Bicephale : Hi RSeiler,

I can understand that the GNet BB0060B wouldn't do
the job at your level of attenuation but i own one
myself and it's doing better than a SpeedTouch 546
at 31.5 dB, not to mention that 'DMT' can generate
24 h "noise" curves which are more useful than the
ST's instantaneous spectrographic snapshot for the
purpose of confirming an intermittent problem.  It
will let you do some "Bandwidth Shaping" if you're
willing to copy the setup from this 'DMT' capture:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17700525

Maybe it will still fail but you'll "see" what you
couldn't put a finger on before...  Now, about the
v6.1.0.5 FirmWare, i've tried it all starting from
v5.3.3.4 and i didn't keep it installed for a long
time so don't loose your mind over it, life is too
short...  The phone extension is another thing you
should get rid of pronto:  use extensions for your
LAN path instead since it can reach up to 300'!...

Of course, if you were clever enough to filter out
the whole phone wiring right at the entry point it
should help;  lets hope the landlord is a relative
of yours!  Don't forget that even when unused, the
phone wiring inside the walls would behave like an
antenna and pick up A.M. radio interference, hence
the need to go to the demarcation box if possible.

New FirmWares:

FirmWare version v6.2.17.5.0 variant "EI" (UK)
FirmWare version v6.2.17.5.0 variant "AA" (Int'l)  <-- Try this one 1st and save setup!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:35:00 EDT

Bicephale : If you say so but even if it's true you still can try the BootP reset procedure:

»forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re···28630#r7

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:32:37 EDT

FZero68 : No It's not possible to do anything, once I got that UK firmware for the 780 I cant move to the international firmware of the same version. I cant flash the modem period. It doesnt respond when going into update mode.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:20:54 EDT

rseiler :

said by DKS :

Count yourself lucky. You have full profile with a borderline SNR of 8. Don't touch a thing and pray to the modem gods. And sacrifice a chicken once a week.

First, thanks to both of you for all the food for thought.

I need to add up front though that I don't count myself lucky. It may show that I have a full profile, but the connection is wildly unstable. Most typically now I can only stay connected for a few hours before having to reset the modem, and it doesn't matter if a router is involved or what mode the modem is running in (bridged or routed, though at first it seemed like it did).

I even tried swapping the modem (at first I had a non-v6) and that made no difference, though notably I was running 6.1.0.5 firmware each time. I also tried a Gnet BB0060B, but it's apparently much less robust than SpeedTouch in holding a connection, since it barely worked at all.

So when you guys told me the Downstream SNR was low, that suggested wiring, which I'll be investigating imminently. The phone cord is (by necessity) about 15ft, and there is a splitter on the outlet, so I guess one or both might be responsible, though I don't know that cable length matters in-house. Beyond that, I'll see what Bell has to say about it, if anything.

Failing all that, then I'll go for some of the firmware/profile ideas mentioned.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:48:33 EDT

Bicephale : Hi DKS,

I must agree that for you 7.5 dB would sound quite
bad but there have been cases where the user could
go even lower near the floor...  I don't know if a
better and more stable RCO would compensate for it
but i think this should help to remain low profile
since we know that telephone operators are tempted
to DownGrade when the RCO fluctuates and comes too
close to the limit.  The perfect tweak would be to
cut the apple in halves so that you gain 2.5 % for
the RCO (plus stability) and sacrifice only 2.5 dB
of the DownStream SNR margin...  I'm hoping future
FirmWares will release some control to the user or
at least to the ISPs, but i'm not optimistic about
that.  Perhaps the pendulum will just come back...
There's been quite a few versions since v5.4.0.14,
after all;  the SpeedTouch should be ready when we
get near v12, or maybe sooner if we're very lucky!

;)

Really, if this is the best thing the market could
build i wonder how bad the other brands feel like!

:p

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:06:28 EDT

Bicephale : Hi RSeiler,

If i may, the UpStream SNR has a lot of room while
that would be more useful on the other side and it
seems the DownStream RCO starts to feel tight.  If
we can take for granted that the wiring is as good
as it can be then lets try another FirmWare.  Both
v5.4.0.14.0 or v6.2.17.5 suit me fine here but i'm
in favour of the later because it would lower your
DownStream RCO and help it to remain stable (if my
evaluation lead me to an accurate conclusion, that
is)...  If the situation gets worst, lets consider
moving to 5056/288 Kbps since it should raise your
DownStream SNR by a dB or maybe two, unless you're
not willing to sacrifice the UpStream bandwidth to
the DownStream one...  Here's the reasoning behind
this extreme solution:  the UpStream power divides
into a real DSL signal and locally generated noise
which interacts with an extremely faint DownStream
signal plus air-born AM radio signals which damage
it as well (as if it weren't enough!).  Going down
from 800 Kbps to 288 Kbps will tame down the power
level of this noise somewhat and hence will reduce
the local noise contribution.  Most unfortunately,
the telephone operator is the only one who has the
ability to adjust speed when using a SpeedTouch...

:huh:

If you get a telephone worker involved there's the
risk that he might just drop you to 4032/800 Kbps,
or worst.  I'd consider this the very last resort.

:p

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 06:54:20 EDT

DKS : Count yourself lucky. You have full profile with a borderline SNR of 8. Don't touch a thing and pray to the modem gods. And sacrifice a chicken once a week.
--
Need-based health care not greed-based health care.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:29:43 EDT

rseiler : Anyone care to comment about what's seen here? I'm not sure what levels are considered good or not. This is a ST516v6. Thanks.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:49:00 EDT

Bicephale : Hi TilHasBB,

My evaluation of FirmWare v6.2.17.5.0 variant "EI"
(UK) is over, i extended it to ten days and here's
my result in the form of a low-resolution graphic.

;)

Addendum

I chopped the peeks at 10000 errors/day...

ST546v6 10 Days CRC & HEC Curves

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:44:39 EDT

kun31 :

said by piotrick :

Is anyone with the 780WL running the 5.4.0.14 firmware?

Me :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:53:04 EDT

piotrick : I am running 6.2.17.5 international: ZZOHAA6.2H5.bli on my SpeedTouch 780WL. My SNR on the downstream and upstream are unchanged from the previous version of 6.2.16.3. I am still monitoring for stability.

Is anyone with the 780WL running the 5.4.0.14 firmware?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:09:05 EDT

Bicephale : »www.gyrene.com/survival/glossary.html

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 06 Jun 2007 12:11:30 EDT

kun31 :

said by Bicephale :

Well, i got a feeling this FirmWare trades SNRM (5 dB loss) for RCO (stable + 5 % improvement)...

In plain english what does it mean? :D

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:57:33 EDT

DKS :

said by Bicephale :

Well, i got a feeling this FirmWare trades SNRM (5 dB loss) for RCO (stable + 5 % improvement)...

As I'm on the edge (12.5 SNRM), a 5 dB loss would take me down to instability.
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:18:17 EDT

Bicephale : Well, i got a feeling this FirmWare trades SNRM (5 dB loss) for RCO (stable + 5 % improvement)...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:33:58 EDT

DKS :

said by tommyv2 :

Why would someone choose the UK firmware over the International one, especially with the difficulty in setting VCIs and Bridged mode? The Int'l version of 6.2.H works very well, besides changing the unit name to "ST536" afterwards...

I've tried both and found no reason to use the UK one...

In contrast, I use the 5.4.0.14 UK firmware. It works well and has greater stability than any other firmware I have tried.
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Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:21:05 EDT

Bicephale : Good point! I yet have to test the Int'l FirmWare enough to compare so i won't comment on that...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:40:42 EDT

tommyv2 : Why would someone choose the UK firmware over the International one, especially with the difficulty in setting VCIs and Bridged mode? The Int'l version of 6.2.H works very well, besides changing the unit name to "ST536" afterwards...

I've tried both and found no reason to use the UK one...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:53:38 EDT

Bicephale : Hi FZero68,

I installed the latest UK FirmWare on my ST546v6 a
while ago (about ten days), i recall that this was
a trial-and-error process but it can be done.  You
should get a copy of your ftp://speedtouch.lan/dl/
directory before anything else, then you must edit
a copy of 'user.ini' so that the "0.35" string can
be found under 'env.ini' then 'wizard.ini' ("0*35"
is used instead of "0.35" under 'phone.ini').  The
underlying part of Easy Wizard appears to validate
the syntax of 'user.ini' when it is copied back to
the FLASH partition, it's a very picky process and
'user.ini' may very well end up being rejected.  I
kept trying and even issued CLI commands when this
seemed necessary;  the wizard eventually generated
a set of 'user.ini'/'user.tpl' configuration files
which offered the 0.35/PPPoE options i required...

One note of caution:  i think that 'user.ini' will
be ignored if UpLoaded via FTP!  Use the "Backup &
Restore" page of the device's GUI to make sure its
wizard will check the .ini file for syntax & logic
errors.  Of course, you can save the configuration
files created under the Int'l FirmWare version and
try these as models (or maybe even verbatim) after
you've got the UK version installed.  Have fun!...

:D

Addendum

It is possible to move back and forth between both
the Int'l and the UK FirmWares, it's no DownGrade!

SpeedTouch 516v6 - UK FirmWare v6.2.17.5.0 (EI)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:53:22 EDT

FZero68 : I have a 780wl modem, how would I got about doing this?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:42:23 EDT

Bicephale : No you're not. Have you tried to edit 'user.ini' or to change the template via FTP access?...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:37:40 EDT

FZero68 : Damnit I wish I knew about this earlier, I upgraded to the 6.2 UK firmware and you cant set the vci/vpn to 0/35. Now I cant downgrade so Im basically screwed.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:30:36 EDT

TilhasBB : What SRA function does from »forum.mhilfe.de/viewtopic.php?t=···tart=810

The Seamless rate adaptation possible with ADSL2+ permits it additionally to adapt during the enterprise transmission rate to the transmission quality the interwiring to separate without losing thus the synchronisation (without the DSL connection); this function is however not yet implemented at present (April 2007) from the German ADSL2+ offerers.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:44:59 EDT

Bicephale : CAUTION

Some ST owners reported they couldn't DownGrade to
earlier FirmWares until a BootP Reset was launched
under a static IP address. You've been warned!...

:p

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 31 May 2007 10:58:33 EDT

Bicephale : Hi TilHasBB,

My evaluation of FirmWare v6.2.17.5.0 variant "EI"
(UK) is only a few days old but i couldn't wait no
more so i took a good look at the post of April 12
where i shown a record of equivalent duration that
came after the April 6 to 10 event during which my
phone line behaved very poorly.  I could calculate
that once the severe noise disruptions were over i
had counted about 4662 CRC errors per day and 1381
HEC errors per day in the DownStream direction, so
far the new FirmWare made it gravitate around 2009
CRC errors per day and 1504 errors per day which i
believe should eventually translate into a durable
improvement if it keeps steady.  Lets point out my
situation has improved since April, back then some
UpStream CRC/HEC errors showed up as well but that
is no longer the case so this probably affects the
outcome.  There are a lot less errored seconds now
than when i conducted my older test, actually.  To
make it short, i'd say the truth must be somewhere
in the middle and hence it's still an improvement.

How does a different FirmWare affect my error rate
i just don't know but it appears to be possible...

:p

I'm testing 'STMT v0.6' too (that's what i used to
capture the late records).  It seems to do the job
adequately, no surprizes yet.  Lets hope for a new
feature like 24 h noise curve resident recordings.

:)

Oh! And you're too kind to me, i sure appreciate!

:D

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 31 May 2007 09:02:16 EDT

amd7674 :

said by TilhasBB :

The UK 6.1.4 is also good but its line dependant sometimes the 5.4.x.x is better sometimes its the UK.

There is a new UK firmware out 6.2.x.x i haven't personally tested it yet, lack of time.
»www.thomson-broadband.co.uk/code···ctID=514

There is also a new DMT tool for the new 6.2 firmware which can be found here
»www.modemtool.de/dl/STMTv0.6.zip

I also thank Bicephale for finding that one :)

Thanks for the feedback. If it ain't broken don't fix it heheh... However if I get some free time I'll play with it.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 31 May 2007 00:28:04 EDT

TilhasBB : The UK 6.1.4 is also good but its line dependant sometimes the 5.4.x.x is better sometimes its the UK.

There is a new UK firmware out 6.2.x.x i haven't personally tested it yet, lack of time.
»www.thomson-broadband.co.uk/code···ctID=514

There is also a new DMT tool for the new 6.2 firmware which can be found here
»www.modemtool.de/dl/STMTv0.6.zip

I also thank Bicephale for finding that one :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 31 May 2007 00:13:01 EDT

amd7674 : Thanks guys for keeping us informed ;-). TilhasBB is there a better newer firmware than old 5.x.x?

TIA :p

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 30 May 2007 07:34:06 EDT

TilhasBB : Thanks to Bicephale for keeping a sharp eye and pointing this out.

'DMT v7.32' for Windows 2000/XP/Vista + 95/98/ME has been released two days ago!
This version is for Speedtouch 516 536 546 585 608 706 716 780

ChangeLog:
»www.2cent.de/dmt/v7/dmt.zip
DMT v7.32
added: "tones in use"-value for Upstream/Downstream
added: SRA-Checkbox (untested feature/modemoptions)
changed: Noisemargin-Slider is disabled if default Target-Noise-Margin is selected
changed: description for Register Settings per Bit (moptions2 Tab) Bit 8-1 changed to Bit 7-0
fixed: noisemargin Low cannot display/indicate the value "0dB"
fixed: Screenhot/Snapshot ability (Windows Vista)
fixed: Sound Effects (Windows Vista)
fixed: created files are not stored in the DMT-application-directory (Windows Vista)

================

I don't know what the SRA or how to view the tones in use feature yet :)
but i'll keep everyone posted.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 13 May 2007 15:18:03 EDT

excaliber : I'll probably be trying that when I have time.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 12 May 2007 00:43:50 EDT

TilhasBB : you should considering filtering the house from the demarc and running a wire directly for the modem.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 09 May 2007 11:27:57 EDT

excaliber : The second pic was the change in connection stats after I plugged the modem to the demarc and adjusted the TNM in the modemoptions section of dmt.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 08 May 2007 20:05:15 EDT

TilhasBB : Not sure what you did on the second picture connected directly to your demarc point?
But if you do that i'd go 3008/800 first. not more beacause I see a lot of errors and your on interleave.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 08 May 2007 10:27:28 EDT

DKS :

said by excaliber :

yup, I'm about 5KM from the CO. Although Bell has one of their brown boxes at the corner of my street.

If it's a remote, you aren't on it.
--
Need-based health care not greed-based health care.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 08 May 2007 09:40:18 EDT

excaliber : yup, I'm about 5KM from the CO. Although Bell has one of their brown boxes at the corner of my street.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 08 May 2007 06:56:51 EDT

DKS : From your attenuation (which is getting up there), you are a long distance from the CO. My guess is a higher profile would be a bit unstable.
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Need-based health care not greed-based health care.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 08 May 2007 01:18:18 EDT

excaliber : hello ,

I'm using a SpeedTouch 780 which I just put on my demarc and adjusted the TNM (to 19). Teksavvy is my ISP. Do you guys think I can support a higher profile or is there any other changes I can make? (first pic is before and second pic is after changes)

Thanks

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:14:18 EDT

matt_m : ADSL2J sounds sweet, seeing as I am on a dry loop...I guess I'll wait patiently :-)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:08:07 EDT

avernar : Bell has already doing/done the paperwork with the Standards Council of Canada dealing with transmit power for ADSL2J and ADSL2+M. The big question is when will they offer it wholesale to other ISPs. It's already taking forever to just get ADSL2+ (Optimax) wholesale.

BTW, ADSL2 Annex J is for dry lines where it uses the voice band for additional upstream up to 3Mbit/sec.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:01:38 EDT

matt_m : ...and I wonder when we'll see this ADSL2+M...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 07 Apr 2007 23:11:27 EDT

avernar :

said by HiVolt :

It wouldn't matter if you lived in the CO and still used PPPoE.

For regular ADSL. ADSL2+ with Annex M (ADSL2+M) can do 3.5Mbit/sec upstream. Drool....

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:52:42 EDT

DKS :

said by HiVolt :

said by DKS :

said by matt_m :

When I have checked after getting a disappointing upload test...I see no errors. I'm new to DSL..is it unreasonable to expect 700+ on a 800 line?

Yes. Unless you live in the CO. Normal is 640-670 up.

It wouldn't matter if you lived in the CO and still used PPPoE.

True enough. ;)
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Need-based health care not greed-based health care.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:51:01 EDT

HiVolt :

said by DKS :

said by matt_m :

When I have checked after getting a disappointing upload test...I see no errors. I'm new to DSL..is it unreasonable to expect 700+ on a 800 line?

Yes. Unless you live in the CO. Normal is 640-670 up.

It wouldn't matter if you lived in the CO and still used PPPoE.
--
GO LEAFS GO!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:13:57 EDT

DKS :

said by matt_m :

When I have checked after getting a disappointing upload test...I see no errors. I'm new to DSL..is it unreasonable to expect 700+ on a 800 line?

Yes. Unless you live in the CO. Normal is 640-670 up.
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Need-based health care not greed-based health care.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:05:14 EDT

matt_m : When I have checked after getting a disappointing upload test...I see no errors. I'm new to DSL..is it unreasonable to expect 700+ on a 800 line?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 07 Apr 2007 21:37:45 EDT

avernar : Your SNR for downstream dropped by 1.5 from 27dB to 25.5dB. But even that is damn good. With those stats there shouldn't be anything wrong with your line.

And you're getting virtually no errors. What I'd suggest is that when you're upload drops, take a look at your modem stats and see if you're getting a lot of errors.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:54:49 EDT

anon : Sure...here you go.

Any suggestions re: tweaks would be greatly apreciated. My upload is a bit disapointing (500-600, sometimes dips below 500).

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 07 Apr 2007 18:42:21 EDT

avernar : Can you repost a new screenshot with the SNR monitor stopped. The fields at the top are all blanked out with the SNR monitor running.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:37:33 EDT

anon : I made a mistake, what has actually happened is the Low in the SNR margin has gone from 30 to 20.

I'd be surprised if I made the line worse...

Now, new wiring.
Before, old wiring.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:14:38 EDT

R0CKY : Hmm... normally a lower SNR means slower speeds....
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Rocky/TSIGUY - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sat, 07 Apr 2007 09:47:16 EDT

anon : I seemed to have lowered my SNR(DMT showed the low around 30db yesterday, today its around 22db) by doing the following things:

- replaced my jack with one of the leviton jacks that you push the wires into with a special tool. I also cut off the end of the cat-5 first and started with a fresh pair that hadn't been untwisted.

- replaced the cable supplied with the 516 with a good quality cable that is only 1' long.

I notice that my upload speed is a bit faster, not yet near 800 but creeping up to 700.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:54:36 EDT

joshb : The sad fact is there a probably quite a few of us who skew the averages.

If you know what your doing and have good networking equipment and the equipment allows you to tweak or use custom script it's not tough to squeeze a couple bytes here and there.

Even using off the shelf products if you know what you are doing you can skew things just a bit.
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If a tree falls in the forest and it isn't heard or seen did the tree actually fall in the forest ??

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:51:03 EDT

R0CKY : Not sure if they'd exclude me... I would hope they did, but if they didn't, then yeah.... I'd skew the average a little for sure....
--
Rocky/TSIGUY - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:44:34 EDT

rbdwarf :

said by Matt M :

4132 / 672 (Kbps)
(504.4 / 82 KB/sec)
Compared to the average of 92 tests from teksavvy.com:
* download is 3% better, upload is 17% worse

So yeah...average, just something about it saying my upload is 17% worse hurts my feelings and makes me feel inadequate :-)

Funny, my last test had me at 668 upload and it was a couple of percent better. Odd. It could be that Rocky ran a speed test a little while ago and skewed the average.

--
Rob

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:30:08 EDT

anon : 4132 / 672 (Kbps)
(504.4 / 82 KB/sec)
Compared to the average of 92 tests from teksavvy.com:
* download is 3% better, upload is 17% worse

So yeah...average, just something about it saying my upload is 17% worse hurts my feelings and makes me feel inadequate :-)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:17:46 EDT

anon : I can't figure out where to start changing the SNR target ratio... :-)

Too many years with cable internet I guess.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:33:27 EDT

R0CKY : Hehehe.... As fast as fast can be, you'll never catch me! :p

Oish... Just had a jackalop flashback from SNL!

..................

I test every so often as the cogeco test page fluctuates a little these days.... see my latest test... I ran it 4 times to make sure it it was around today's speed every time...

Rocky
--
Rocky/TSIGUY - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:31:23 EDT

rbdwarf :

said by R0CKY :

Rocky only gets more than that because he's testing the testing links with a 100Meg LAN connection from the TekSavvy Admin office...

Why are you speaking in the third person?

p.s. I knew that already.
--
Rob

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:30:01 EDT

rbdwarf :

said by R0CKY :

That's right.... The 5056 speed is the profile speed.... When you remove overhead you're left with a max of about 4500....

You're too fast, I can't keep up, I don't know why I even bother to try :)

--
Rob

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:29:51 EDT

R0CKY : Rocky only gets more than that because he's testing the testing links with a 100Meg LAN connection from the TekSavvy Admin office...
--
Rocky/TSIGUY - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:28:47 EDT

rbdwarf : Those seem to be average numbers when compared against other users. Only Rocky seems to get much more than that :)

If I'm not mistaken there's overhead which eats into your usable speed - someone around here knows the math and can tell you what your maximum attainable is.

--
Rob

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:28:13 EDT

R0CKY :

said by Matt M :

I think the picture I posted shows the profile or whatever that is set on the line. 4244/672 is what I see when I try the cogeco test case.

That's right.... The 5056 speed is the profile speed.... When you remove overhead you're left with a max of about 4500....
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Rocky/TSIGUY - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:18:09 EDT

anon : I think the picture I posted shows the profile or whatever that is set on the line. 4244/672 is what I see when I try the cogeco test case.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:14:00 EDT

R0CKY : You can try tweaking a little if you want but you likely won't get much more... the 13dB attenuation will give you pretty much what you have there....
--
Rocky/TSIGUY - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:13:16 EDT

rbdwarf : Where are you getting 4244/672? The picture shows 5056/800

--
Rob

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:08:19 EDT

anon : Looks like a change was made... 4244down/672up

I'd like more though, given how close I am to the CO...

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:02:12 EDT

R0CKY :

said by Matt M :

Thanks Rocky. Apart from this, I'm a happy camper...just trying to break my Rogers habit :-)

Good to hear... on the happy camper part that is! ;-)
--
Rocky/TSIGUY - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:59:21 EDT

anon : Thanks Rocky. Apart from this, I'm a happy camper...just trying to break my Rogers habit :-)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:44:12 EDT

R0CKY :

said by Matt M :

That is what I was kinda figuring, although the tech support fellow at TSI this morning intimated that Bell probably set me at 3mbit because thats "all my line could handle". I guess we'll see what happens :-)

I'm quickly finding out that the default setting on the line cards seems to be 3Meg, so if they forget to set it properly, this is what you'll get. Also noticing that when someone works on a CO card... if they pull it or something of that nature, that it also resets it to 3Meg.... Something to consider when the rates change all of a sudden... Not that 3Meg is a bad speed but if you can get 5Meg, then you should... In any case, I digress... Just keep on top of us to make sure we keep at them for you and it will get there!

Regards,

Rocky
--
Rocky/TSIGUY - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:42:59 EDT

Scoop : LOL.

You should be good once they fix it up for you.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:39:28 EDT

anon : hehe...I wish they had waited until after setting up my line to fire up the pipe :-) Now I'll have to wait a couple more days :(

At least my line is in good shape :-)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:33:00 EDT

Scoop : Looks like someone at Bell was smoking something funny when they put you on 3 meg. :o

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:32:16 EDT

TilhasBB : Maybe you have intermit problems but from the stats your showing me It looks great.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:27:17 EDT

anon : That is what I was kinda figuring, although the tech support fellow at TSI this morning intimated that Bell probably set me at 3mbit because thats "all my line could handle". I guess we'll see what happens :-)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:24:33 EDT

TilhasBB : Emmm, your under a km from the CO.
You can get 5meg EASY !

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:23:06 EDT

anon : I just had dry dsl setup with TekSavvy, but my speed is not what I expected. I've connected to the NID and my inside jack, DMT gives me the same stats. I've asked TSI to open a ticket with bell for me to get the speed bumped...but given this graph what do you guys think?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:10:51 EDT

amd7674 :

said by TilhasBB :

Update: The new firmware doesn't seem to be #1.
After more testing I have to conclude that its depending per case. UK, 5.4.X, 6.0.1.5, 6.2.G

hehehe....I'm back with 5.4.x for the same reason... ;-)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:07:06 EDT

TilhasBB : Update: The new firmware doesn't seem to be #1.
After more testing I have to conclude that its depending per case. UK, 5.4.X, 6.0.1.5, 6.2.G

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:09:40 EDT

TilhasBB : forget about pinging www.dslreports.com
not sure why, I tried and I am getting a few request time out, probably their server is underload and ping priority is very low.

1)
Do
start>run>cmd
ping 206.248.154.102 -n 100

When your connected directly to the modem

2) Did you do the spyware tests?

3) Do a line quality test please
»/linequality

4) a Tweak test
»/tweaks

5) Do you have anouther pc you can connect directly to the modem and do the ping test? (connected directly to the modem)

6) Set your MTU to 1492 not 1500

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:39:40 EDT

telususer :

said by Fungi :

I can't directly plug my modem to my pc right now, my brother needs to internet right now ;(. I pinged from two different computers and still same packetloss problem. As for the line test, I can't do it till I directly plug my modem to pc.

I have seen personal routers/switches generate packet loss, so you really need to minimize the amount of hardware on your line. Once you remove the router, try "ping -t" on various website like yahoo.com . Possible problem areas are bad port hardware at the DSLAM or bad routing somewhere on the Internet. 4 CRC errors in 3 hours is insignificant.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:36:14 EDT

TilhasBB : telususer> Nice thanks.
I try to keep myself posted on the German site but i'll bookmark those two :)

Fungi> Your DMT shoes a very clean line.
I thinking its A your Router, B your PC, C your ISP.

C)
If its your ISP lot of people would be having the same issue and you'd know or they would fixed it very quickly.
B and A
Best way to check is try different PCs directly to modem and see if you get the same result
But its always good to run spyware checks once in a while. You never know.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:23:06 EDT

telususer :

said by TilhasBB :

you sure your looking at the 6.2.G not 6.2.F ?
the G came out yesterday :) look at the date when you install it.

6.2G actually came out on March 2nd. You can see the date at »www.thomsontelecompartner.com/ds···p?id=108 . The best place to get new firmware seems to be »www.speedtouchforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=1089 .

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:09:52 EDT

Fungi : I can't directly plug my modem to my pc right now, my brother needs to internet right now ;(. I pinged from two different computers and still same packetloss problem. As for the line test, I can't do it till I directly plug my modem to pc.

Does DMT show if I have interference from somewhere? Like lets say if I didnt filter something properly, or something I can check at my "demarc"? Are there any instructions on how to upgrade my modem's firmware? Thanks for the help :D

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:47:01 EDT

TilhasBB : i don't think its the modem your not getting any errors.
4 errors over 3 hours is nothing.
I have around 50 an hour :)
You can try the UK firmware but no need to touch that your line is good.

Your pings does show 8% Loss but from your tracert I see your behind a router.
1) try connecting directly to the modem and doing that ping test again.

2) Did you do the spyware tests?

3) Do a line quality test please
»/linequality

4) a Tweak test
»/tweaks

5) Do you have anouther pc you can connect directly to the modem and do the ping test? (connected directly to the modem)

I have a feeling its your PC

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:37:55 EDT

Fungi : Here's a screenshot of DMT after running for couple hours. I don't have any viruses, programs or spyware on my computer that'd affect my connection, also on my brother's computer I run into the same problem.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Brendon Fung>tracert www.dslreports.com

Tracing route to dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 5 ms 99 ms 99 ms speedtouch.lan [192.168.1.254]
3 11 ms 11 ms 21 ms 206.248.154.102
4 12 ms * 11 ms 65.39.134.1
5 13 ms 16 ms 13 ms 65.39.198.250
6 13 ms 14 ms 12 ms oc48pos7-0.tor-1yg-cor-1.peer1.net [216.187.114.
161]
7 13 ms 12 ms 13 ms oc48pos1-0.tor-core-2.peer1.net [216.187.114.134
]
8 22 ms 21 ms 21 ms oc48pos3-0.mtl-core-b.peer1.net [216.187.68.93]

9 22 ms 22 ms 20 ms oc48pos4-0.mtl-core-a.peer1.net [216.187.90.45]

10 29 ms 26 ms 26 ms oc48-pos2-0.nyc-telx-dis-a.peer1.net [216.187.11
5.130]
11 27 ms 26 ms 26 ms oc48-pos3-0.nyc-teleh-dis-2.peer1.net [216.187.1
15.166]
12 91 ms 46 ms 27 ms nyiix.ge-2-2-0.gbr1.nyc.nac.net [198.32.160.20]

13 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms 0.ge-3-0-0.gbr1.nwr.nac.net [209.123.11.174]
14 30 ms 28 ms 28 ms 0.ge-0-1-0.gbr2.nwr.nac.net [209.123.11.77]
15 130 ms 141 ms 156 ms 0.so-0-3-0.gbr1.oct.nac.net [209.123.11.233]
16 28 ms 35 ms 27 ms www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]

Trace complete.

Theres my tracert.

My ping test is attached also.

For the tweak test, it said everything was good, I tried changing my MTU to 1500, but it seems what I did, didn't go into affect because I ran the tweak again and it still said to change it to 1500.

I have a question, could it possibly be my modem itself? Perhaps I should get it switched? And is there a firmware update for my modem that could help stabilize my connection?

The help is really appreciated! Thanks a bunch!


ping.txt 5,638 bytes

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:50:12 EDT

TilhasBB : Fungi>
So every 5-10 seconds you get packet loss??

Connect your modem directly to your pc.

1) post anouther dmt screenshot after like an hour (after a few of these packet loss issues
I need the full screenshot.
i am looking at that top right window to see if you have lots of errors (over 100) or a resync

2) What programs do you have running? Look at the bottom right beside your clock move your mouse one by one and tell it will tell you their names

3) Do a Tracert to dslreprots.com
click the run>cmd
tracert www.dslreports.com
Right click>select all> hit enter. paste here.

4)
close the old cmd window and open a new one
start>run>cmd
ping www.dslreports.com -n 100
Right click>select all> hit enter. paste in a notepad and attach it here (you have to register to dslreports.com its free and takes under 30 seconds)

5) Run a line quality test
»/linequality

6) Run a Tweak test
»/tweaks

7) Could be a spyware.
Run lavasoft antispyware
»www.download.com/Ad-Aware-SE-Per···tag=top5
and
spyboy s&d
»www.spybot.info/en/mirrors/index.html

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:30:08 EDT

anon : Well, it's not my router's fault, I tried directly connecting from the phone wall jack, to the modem, to my cpu, and I still get the packetloss. I have unplugged all phones in my house, yet I still get that small packetloss every 5-10 seconds. I was reading about testing something with my demarc? I have access to it but I'm wondering what I can test? This packet loss thing has been bugging me, and I can't seem to stop wanting to fix it ;(!

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:25:56 EDT

TilhasBB : Fungi>
Your modem to the CO's link is great. I don't see that being a problem. but from the screen shot it only shows you being connected for 2 minutes so I can't really say 100% but your stats are good.
Now from the modem to your computer how does that connection normaly go? Are you using a wireless router and your connected on your laptop? etc etc?

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:03:43 EDT

anon : Really sorry! I forgot to post my screenshot!

I'm not sure if the bigger screenshot is showing perfectly, but I guess the yellow windows information is useful so I'll copy and paste it.

Number of resets : 8

Errors
Received FEC : 0
Received CRC : 0
Received HEC : 0
Transmitted FEC : 0
Transmitted CRC : 0
Transmitted HEC : 0

Near end failures since reset
Loss of frame: 0 failures
Loss of signal: 4 failures
Loss of power: 0 failures
Errored seconds: 6 seconds
Near end failures last 15 minutes
Loss of frame: 0 seconds
Loss of signal: 0 seconds
Loss of power: 0 seconds
Errored seconds: 0 seconds
Near end failures current day
Errored seconds: 6 seconds
Near end failures previous day
Errored seconds: 0 seconds

DSL-Link Uptime : 0 days, 0:02:38

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:59:52 EDT

anon : Teksaavy told me that my line was getting interference. I filtered all phones, and I have no idea what is wrong! I've been getting slight packetloss, that's how I found out my line wasn't at best quality.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:43:21 EDT

TilhasBB : Your line is good :)
5Megabit profile on fastpath.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:28:38 EDT

Quicktoy : Thanks, I messed up when was downloading the firmware.

Works like a charm now. :)

Paul

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:38:09 EDT

amd7674 : check the following URL
»m8s-rates.com/speedtouch/routers/

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:33:48 EDT

amd7674 : To me it looks like you are trying to flash 536 with 586 firmware. I believe both are different modems.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:07:29 EDT

Quicktoy : Thanks. Ok, I get in, but then I get this screen.
I selected have disk, and did this but get this msg "Not compatible"

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:38:57 EDT

TilhasBB : you have the wrong username and password.
Administrator and password is (blank).
the Capital A is very important

If you still can't get in. hit the reset button on the back of the modem. it will go back to factory default

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:36:20 EDT

Quicktoy : I need some help here. I'm trying to flash my firmware to 540E and am having problems with the wizard. It pops up a window asking for my user name and password. I enter them, and hit enter... It then brings up the same window again (blank)?
Thats as far as I can get.

Paul

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:32:16 EDT

TilhasBB : amd7674> with your line you can use any firmware. its a great line :)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:24:44 EDT

amd7674 : thanks TilhasBB, I'm using new firmware on my ST546 and so far so good ;-)

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:34:09 EDT

TilhasBB : therjenn> The modem does other things and assigns responding to pings as the last thing to do. the end result ping is still the same, dont worry about it.

enable ping responder
click START
click RUN
type "cmd" and hit OK
in the black window that appears type "telnet" and press ENTER
type "open 10.0.0.138"
for username type "Administrator" (very important you type the capital "A")
for password leave it blank...just hit ENTER
then type in ":service system ifadd name=PING_RESPONDER group=wan"
then type "saveall"
then type "exit"

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:24:17 EDT

therjenn : Need info please??

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:22:19 EDT

Scoop : You can enable the ping responder through telnet.

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:06:31 EDT

therjenn : Because of Speedtouch low priority, does that mean that both tweak and line quality
in this forum are not pingable??

Re: SpeedTouch 516 Tweaking :)

Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:52:20 EDT

TilhasBB : Don't worry about the modem's ping. It has low priority for ping responses so it will show a huge delay but look at the end result the ping from dslreports both were 27ms :)