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|  Some relevant passages about the proposed law
would let a secret court issue one-year "umbrella" warrants to allow the government to intercept e-mails and phone calls of foreign targets and would not require that surveillance of each person be approved individually.
The bill would require the Justice Department inspector general to audit the use of the umbrella warrant and issue quarterly reports to a special FISA court and to Congress, according to congressional aides involved in drafting the legislation.
It would clarify that no court order is required for intercepting communications between people overseas that are routed through the United States.
It would specify that the collections of e-mails and phone calls could come only from communications service providers -- as opposed to hospitals, libraries or advocacy groups.
And it would require a court order when the government is seeking communications of a person inside the United States, but only if that person is the target. A target is defined as a person, group, cell or government of interest to a foreign intelligence investigation. This isn't very much different than current practice. The umbrella provision can be used to wiretap almost anyone communicating with what will be a large number of FISA court preapproved groups for up to a year.
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| Yes, and it will fail. Democrats are just doing this, wasting taxpayers money in the process, in hopes it will help with votes for them in 2008. It won't pass the Senate since Democrats don't have 60 votes to override a veto.
If you're not a terrorist or terrorist supporter, who cares? There has not been one single case of wiretapping an American that has nothing to do with terrorism so what is the big deal?
Never heard encypting you HD was illegal either. This has been going on since FISA came into existence (the 70s if not mistaken) so what is the big deal now? Oh, people just love to hate Bush.
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| said by supergirl  :If you're not a terrorist or terrorist supporter, who cares? I have tried, and boy have I tried, to understand that rationale but it never did make any god damn sense to me.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came.... |
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said by supergirl :If you're not a terrorist or terrorist supporter, who cares? There has not been one single case of wiretapping an American that has nothing to do with terrorism so what is the big deal? Really? Any since there's been zero oversight, just how would you know that? It's happened in the past when it was totally illegal, and now that it is quasi-legal who's to say it's not happening again?
What about the allegations of whistle-blowers like Russell Tice?
I'd say there's been plenty of broad, wide wiretapping and monitoring of Americans who had nothing to do with terrorism.
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said by kapil :said by supergirl :If you're not a terrorist or terrorist supporter, who cares? I have tried, and boy have I tried, to understand that rationale but it never did make any god damn sense to me. » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came.... Most of the idiots that give that reasoning only use a phone for gossip and other worthless chit chat so in their mind it's true since no one gives a damn about who is screwing who or where the best tree is to shoot a squirrel and drink a keystone. |
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TK Junk Mail
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| said by firephoto :said by kapil :said by supergirl :If you're not a terrorist or terrorist supporter, who cares? I have tried, and boy have I tried, to understand that rationale but it never did make any god damn sense to me. » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came.... Most of the idiots that give that reasoning only use a phone for gossip and other worthless chit chat so in their mind it's true since no one gives a damn about who is screwing who or where the best tree is to shoot a squirrel and drink a keystone. But you on the other hand are discussing more weighty topics - like overthrowing the US Gov't.? So you are worried about monitoring.
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| said by TK Junk Mail :But you on the other hand are discussing more weighty topics - like overthrowing the US Gov't.? So you are worried about monitoring. No but it's funny you pic the part that this administration worries about more than foreign terrorists. How does it go... protect what we have first, protect what our friends have second, and see what we can do for the country third? I think someone watched to many television shows in the 80's based on Texans.
Great ideas or other little bits that can lead to making money aren't very safe when discussed over an insecure communications method when the people listening are in it for the money first. |
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yock
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said by TK Junk Mail :But you on the other hand are discussing more weighty topics - like overthrowing the US Gov't.? So you are worried about monitoring. Well geez, because there's nothing in-between gossip and treason. Good grief, there was a time when you made relevant, rational posts. I think that has passed. |
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said by TK Junk Mail :But you on the other hand are discussing more weighty topics - like overthrowing the US Gov't.? So you are worried about monitoring. Yeah, let's not forget that this and past administrations have used methods like NSLs to gather dirt on their political enemies or people that they just don't like.
Oh no, law abiding people having nothing to fear... Talk about being ignorant of the things that can go on in Washington.
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| said by S_engineer :Arguments from people that THINK privacy still exists...great. Unplug the modem, turn off the cell, and kill the digital idiot box, you'll have privacy! Yeah, let's all jump on board with you and celebrate the death of privacy... I assume the party is at your house, right ? You invited the NSA and FBI to eavesdrop ? Got your telescreen setup so they can watch us while we watch the game ?
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Yeah, I'm sure Bill Clinton used the NSA to wiretap all the women that accused him of rape.  |
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| said by supergirl :Yeah, I'm sure Bill Clinton used the NSA to wiretap all the women that accused him of rape. That's an interesting thought. He did get off the hook for all of those, didn't he? I'd bet some quiet wiretaps would have benefited him quite nicely.
Since you're the one who brought it up, just what evidence do you have to offer that he didn't use the NSA to his own advantage there? |
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said by supergirl :Yeah, I'm sure Bill Clinton used the NSA to wiretap all the women that accused him of rape. Yeah, there is no such thing as abusing government power for political gain... No, it has never happened before. Come back and comment when you have a little knowledge of history.
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| I think the " " meant I was joking? Actually, look up Bill Clinton and how he used the Arkansas police to cover up sexual indiscretions. Even SNL made a parody of it. You can always Google for it.
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nursemike
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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." It was spoken by Thomas Jefferson. Do you think that the people fear the government or the government fears the people? |
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lesopp
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said by KrK :I'd say there's been plenty of broad, wide wiretapping and monitoring of Americans who had nothing to do with terrorism. I'd say there hasn't been any.
So there ya go, two opposing views with no proof either way. |
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KrK
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| said by lesopp :So there ya go, two opposing views with no proof either way. ... Except for whistleblowers and the like saying the system is being abused. |
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lesopp
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said by KrK :said by lesopp :So there ya go, two opposing views with no proof either way. ... Except for whistleblowers and the like saying the system is being abused. Which would normally warrant an investigation. Instead, the government has passed its hands over our collective eyes stating "These are not the droids Constitutional Violations you're looking for." |
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