 BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | How much are they making by doing this? Um ZERO. REAL fricken smart. Hey maybe McDonald's can give away free cheeseburers in hopes of selling more Big Macs. Me thinks this will just result in McDonald's selling LESS Big Macs and losing tons of money on cheeseburgers. Maybe we should go tell our bosses to stop paying us for work and somehow this will make us all millionaires. Me thinks these guys have done WAY too many drugs. |
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Um ZERO. REAL fricken smart. Hey maybe McDonald's can give away free cheeseburers in hopes of selling more Big Macs. Me thinks this will just result in McDonald's selling LESS Big Macs and losing tons of money on cheeseburgers.
That happens all the time. You've never gotten a free burger or fries from the game stuck to your soda cup? Sometimes you gotta spend some money to make money.
Digital music is popular enough that it should be able to survive on its own. As I posted before, the only real problem is people are accustomed to hearing new music through record-label controlled industries like radio and TV. So to break away from the labels, artists are desperate to demonstrate that music can be popular without help from the labels. They really need to get people calling their radio stations demanding to hear "this great new nine inch nails song".
So for the moment popularity is what's at stake, not money.
I think it's great what they're doing and will be highly interested to see how it plays out. |
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mjwise
join:2007-05-09
Ann Arbor, MI | reply to BF69
Making analogies to physical goods is irrelevant. Music is, for all intents and purposes, an unlimited good for which additional units are very, very cheap. Almost free. The same cannot be said of a cheeseburger. |
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said by BF69:Um ZERO. REAL fricken smart. Hey maybe McDonald's can give away free cheeseburers in hopes of selling more Big Macs. Me thinks this will just result in McDonald's selling LESS Big Macs and losing tons of money on cheeseburgers. Maybe we should go tell our bosses to stop paying us for work and somehow this will make us all millionaires. Me thinks these guys have done WAY too many drugs. Well Radiohead did the years ago. They let everyone download the album for a week then the next week the album came out and they were number 1 for a few weeks. A
The funny thing is it was the time RIAA started to come out saying they weren't making money. |
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said by mjwise:Making analogies to physical goods is irrelevant. Music is, for all intents and purposes, an unlimited good for which additional units are very, very cheap. Almost free. The same cannot be said of a cheeseburger. An analogy to physical goods can be relevant. Sam's Club gives "almost free" samples of food to shoppers to entice them into purchasing a food product. Many times, more often than not, the free sample turned into a purchase.
Music, can work the same way. Trent puts out a Lp free to download. One will know if the song is worth buying almost instantly, If the music gets ya tapping yer toes or fingers to the beat, its a good song and worthy of purchase, just on that one principal alone. The song(s) would be purchased.
Support the artist(s) in this case ..Including concert attendance + getting an official tour, T shirt Hell yeah.!!
Support the RIAA....Hell NO, F em.
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 NOYBSt. John 3.16Premium
join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR
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said by djrobx:So to break away from the labels, artists are desperate to demonstrate that music can be popular without help from the labels. They really need to get people calling their radio stations demanding to hear "this great new nine inch nails song". Now just why would I call up a radio station and ask them to play this great new song I just downloaded and can play to my hearts content? Radio play time may have been a good measure of popularity in the old age of RIAA dinosaurs. But not in the high tech internet download and create your personal radio station era.
Personally I do not even listen to the radio anymore. It has been so long even I could not even venture a guess the last time the radio was on.
You may want to begin preparing for a new job if you are a radio station DJ. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to guitarzan
said by guitarzan:said by mjwise:Making analogies to physical goods is irrelevant. Music is, for all intents and purposes, an unlimited good for which additional units are very, very cheap. Almost free. The same cannot be said of a cheeseburger. An analogy to physical goods can be relevant. Sam's Club gives "almost free" samples of food to shoppers to entice them into purchasing a food product. However if the FREE sample is the size of whole meal and youc an get it everyday where is the motivation to BUY anything?
Support the artist(s) in this case ..Including concert attendance + getting an official tour, T shirt Hell yeah.!!
Support the RIAA....Hell NO, F em.
Ignorance on this subject is incredible. You know how mnay of your favorite artist you would have heard about if it were for the "evil empire" corporations? Almost NONE. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to mjwise
said by mjwise:Making analogies to physical goods is irrelevant. Music is, for all intents and purposes, an unlimited good for which additional units are very, very cheap. Almost free. The same cannot be said of a cheeseburger. yes I understand your knowledge of chesseburgers is probably quite considerable since it's most likely your vocation, but there is no such thing as a FREE lunch.
Say a studio spends $1 million on an artist then gave away all the songs for free for download. Does it matter if the downloads thensleves don't cost anything? Did the studio not just spend $1 million? So how can you say ths isn't costing them anything? |
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said byBF69Ignorance on this subject is incredible. You know how many of your favorite artist you would have heard about if it were notfor the "evil empire" corporations? Almost NONE.
Honestly BF. The music I listened to(heavy metal)which got me interested enough to pick up a bass guitar, was all word of of mouth, because radio did NOT play or have heavy metal in its rotation. Yep it was B.S in the early 70's.
Today, word of mouth about a good band & its music travels today via internet. Where IMO, it has those RIAA corporations scared sh*tless, because fans and bands can get in touch so much easier and directly, than through a faceless corporation. Who's only interest is making $$$ for itself (RIAA) by ripping off every artist(s)it supposedly represents and the millions of fans out there.
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DesdinovaPremium
join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD | reply to BF69
"Ignorance on this subject is incredible."
Okay, speaking of ignorance, may I ask how long you've personally worked in the music industry? I have, for over twenty years, as a studio owner, a producer, and an engineer. I've worked with major artists and small-time wannabes. I understand and actually WORK in the financial cesspool that the music industry has become. I've seen talented bands sign a deal memo AND NEVER WORK AGAIN because the label decided it didn't want to work with them--they weren't "marketable" (under the terms of a deal memo, the studio has the right to release your next work and if they don't you can't release another one).
So speaking of someone who is NOT ignorant of the industry, allow me a simple prediction: Radiohead will earn quite a bit of money off this release model. Rezner will also. All without the help of the Holy Record Labels.
"You know how mnay of your favorite artist you would have heard about if it were for the "evil empire" corporations? Almost NONE."
I can ask an even better question: how many potentially favorite artists DIDN'T you hear of because the labels killed their careers? Either by preventing their music from being played OTA, or by pulling their works out of circulation and refusing to repress and distribute them, or by blocking their careers (either they were potential competition to an existing artist or because the label wanted to make sure no one else grabbed them in the future). Yeah, it's too bad that no musicians existed before the record industry invented them and created a way for their creations to be heard--oh wait, musicians DID exist prior to the labels. And some of actually became kinda famous and made money off of their art, also. Huh. Imagine that?
Looks like some of them found a way to get a piece back. |
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