 sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
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Re: Yay monopoly said by dak70:said by openbox9:IMO, the telcos have more than paid for those subsidies that occurred decades ago. Time to move on. Yes lets move on. The Bell system was broken up in 1984. It's been almost 24 years. I'm all for competition but look what the bell monopoly has provided, Universal phone service, solid state electronics, Unix, Queing theory, not to mention employing millions of Americans over the last 100 years. And all these innovations came about because they were a *regulated* monopoly... Seems to me like the harder you regulate, the more innovation you get out of them.  |
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dak70
join:2007-05-01
Warminster, PA | reply to quetwo
All the things you listed that the Bells provided, were provided before breakup. What have they given us since then? Call Waiting? Hah
How about DSL, FiOS, Wireless, U-verse. |
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dak70
join:2007-05-01
Warminster, PA | reply to quetwo
said by quetwo:All the things you listed that the Bells provided, were provided before breakup. What have they given us since then? Call Waiting? Hah What about DSL, FiOS, U-verse, Wireless. |
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 myosh
join:2001-05-03
Cupertino, CA
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said by openbox9:said by T1 Rocky:I'd love to know what my other options are. I see Comcast listed in your profile  We aren't in 1960 anymore. Competition does exist, whether it be copper, coax, fiber, terrestrial radio (WiFi, cellular, Wimax), shooting to satellites, etc. There are so many other options available to large swaths of population than the old two strands of copper that have been around for decades. I'm sorry but leaving a monopolistic telco to get HSI from a monopolistic cable company doesn't solve the problem IMO. WiFi, cell and Wimax deployments are sporadic at best and satellite internet is slow and hideously expensive. Sounds like the only real alternative is the say screw them all and just go back to dial-up. Wait the phone lines are still controlled by the telco... |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | said by myosh:I'm sorry but leaving a monopolistic telco to get HSI from a monopolistic cable company doesn't solve the problem IMO. Not really monopolistic if you have the opportunity to switch providers |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to KoolMoe
said by KoolMoe:If you were able to 'jump on my business', you'd have to pay the rent I dictate, which I guarantee would ensure that you could not undercut my pricing. That would be the crux of the problem that we're discussing here.said by KoolMoe:However, you don't need to jump on my business because there is plenty of opportunity for you to compete with my services without needing my infrastructure. Not so for telcos. Sure it is. Do I need to list again all of the alternative "last mile" solutions that are currently available?said by KoolMoe:IMO, last-mile should be owned by the county (like roads). Who pays for it or should we just claim imminent domain and then contract out O&M to the previous owners? |
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I totally disagree. Comcast was at my old address, my info is outdated.
I'd love to see a breakdown of what percent of the residences in America can get what technology. If I had to guess, it would look like this:
100% ILEC
70% cable company (in Dallas, the major cable provider IS AT&T!)
80% satelite
2% wireless ISP
2% other |
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join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN | reply to dak70
And when did they deploy DSL and subsequent technologies??? That is right, you can say it....
After TA1996 because of the competition that it fostered. If it wasn't for that you'll still be sitting on an ISDN line if lucky and could afford it.
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jhboricuaExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
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said by openbox9:I see Comcast listed in your profile We aren't in 1960 anymore. Competition does exist, whether it be copper, coax, fiber, terrestrial radio (WiFi, cellular, Wimax), shooting to satellites, etc. There are so many other options available to large swaths of population than the old two strands of copper that have been around for decades. But options does not equate to competition.
Satellite "broadband" is a joke, not sure that it would qualify as an option. Hardly any market has half of the options you list. Most residential markets are lucky if they have more than two. And I bet you the third one is prohibitively expensive.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | said by jhboricua:But options does not equate to competition. Sure they do. If the options don't want to compete, then guess what, you won't have the options much longer. Basic free market principle. |
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jhboricuaExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN | Not when they hold the market hostage.
Only you could be so delusional as to call today's scenario in the US competition. Wouldn't be surprise if you're a shareholder or work for one of the LECs
But please, list all these residential markets that have copper, coax, terrestrial radio, wifi, cellular, Wimax and Satellite competing with each other for the average joe business. Post their 'speeds' and 'competitive prices' too so that we become aware of what we are missing.
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to MSauk
said by MSauk:that whole FCC is a tool. It's going to be interesting.
Under the Pubs, we'll get businesses doing as they please at the pleasure of paying off the FCC. Google will be forced to pay twice instead of once, competition will be near to nothing.. and so on.
Under the Dems, we'll get an internet that's over taxed, p0rn will see a 40% tax, anything considered not-moral in their eyes will be stricken from it, and we'll have the internet police.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to jhboricua
said by jhboricua:Not when they hold the market hostage. How is the market a hostage exactly?said by jhboricua:Wouldn't be surprise if you're a shareholder or work for one of the LECs You aren't the first naysayer to make that accusation. I like how expressing opinions (and even facts in some cases) gets several people called "fanboys" incumbent employees, etc. I do not, have not, or have any intention of working for the LECs, any cableco, or any other telecommunications provider. I'm a personal and corporate customer like several others around here. I indirectly own some telecom stock through mutual funds, but believe me, how well AT&T does isn't really going to change my lifestyle from a financial perspective.said by jhboricua:But please, list all these residential markets that have copper, coax, terrestrial radio, wifi, cellular, Wimax and Satellite competing with each other for the average joe business. With exception of Wimax, I've already pointed out my residential market. |
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 quetwoThat VoIP GuyPremium
join:2004-09-04
East Lansing, MI | reply to dak70
DSL, ISDN, etc were all invented well before the breakup. In fact, our phone network wouldn't be as out-dated, and would probably look like the European network (ISDN to every house, etc) if it wouldn't be people looking for short-term profits instead of long-term technologies.
I would agree with FIOS, except GTE was not apart of the AT&T breakup.
Wireless? The phone companies didn't jump on that.. they bought the innovators that jumped on that. And not until it reached the point that major profits were being made.
U-Verse? This is lipstick on a pig. Nothing new, or innovative. |
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