quetwo
That VoIP Guy
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join:2004-09-04
East Lansing, MI
| reply to openbox9
Re: I'm shocked, just shocked I say
Wholesale cost is determined on a state-by-state basis by the public service comission. The LECs go infront of the boards and tell them how much it costs them per line to run a dry pair (no service, just battery). This is the cost that was allowed to the CLECs |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
| said by quetwo  :.. The LECs go infront of the boards and tell them how much it costs them per line to run a dry pair (no service, just battery). .. [sarcasm] and I'm sure this information is as complete and accurate as the information the FCC collects on broadband deployment [/sarcasm] |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
 ·AT&T Southeast
| reply to quetwo
said by quetwo :costs them per line to run a dry pair (no service, just battery) I assume by cost to "run" you also include installation, deployment, and upgrade of infrastructure? |
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KoolMoe
Aw Man
Premium
join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD
clubs: | It's completely up to the Telcos to preach their wholesale rate. I almost guarantee there is profit built-in to the rate they present.
KM |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
| said by KoolMoe :It's completely up to the Telcos to preach their wholesale rate. I almost guarantee there is profit built-in to the rate they present. I totally guarantee it. 
Where this myth that they "give the lines away to competitors" came from is beyond me... Covad and others pay dearly for dry copper for "naked" ADSL and SDSL. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to KoolMoe
That's fine and I would hope that the telcos aren't breaking even or losing money by selling access to CLECs. The root of the problem is still that the ILECs are forced to provide this access and I'm having a difficult time seeing benefits for anyone except for the poor CLECs who "can't afford to compete and need a handout to get into business". Here's an idea. If CLECs really want to provide service and can't afford to overbuild infrastructure, maybe they should look at buying the infrastructure from the ILEC. But then again, I'm sure they can't afford that option either. |
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quetwo
That VoIP Guy
Premium
join:2004-09-04
East Lansing, MI | reply to openbox9
If it dosen't, then the the LECs are fools. The dry-run costs are to include the copper plant ONLY from the CLEC's cage to the customer's DMARC. This would include install + maintenance of the pair. |
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quetwo
That VoIP Guy
Premium
join:2004-09-04
East Lansing, MI
| reply to openbox9
Take a look at the history books, and turn to the pages where in New York, each "CLEC" or competitive phone company ran their own wires. The poles were 3 stories tall, with gobs and gobs of wires. People saw this as an assult of their public right-of-way, so new laws were enacted.
Could you imaging every CLEC having to have their own pole space in each metro they serviced? Just in my area, there is : AT&T, Old AT&T, TDS, Metrolink, Telecom USA, CheckPhone, McCloud USA, ACD, Arialink, Comcast... Those are just the ones on the top of my head. And I don't live in a very dense area!
The goverment subsidized the build out of a SINGLE telecom network to remove the issue of having every C/LEC have its own wire in the ground.
The copper plant in the ground is a natural monopoly. The service running on it, is a commodity market. |
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