Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS in Verizon Fiber Optics

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:21:00 EDT

AllYourBase : Sorry I didn't read the whole thing. I am not sure about they price but it does have 20/20 promotion.

(scroll all the way down and high-light the fine print.)
»www22.verizon.com/content/consum···ices.htm

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+Limited time promotional offer is applicable to customers who order the Verizon FiOS Internet 5/2 Mbps, 10/2 Mbps, 15/2 Mbps, 15/15 Mbps, 20/5 Mbps or the 20/20 Mbps speed package with a one or two year plan ONLINE. Not available with bundle offers or 30/50 Mbps speeds. First month free with bill credit. $10 monthly rate discount applied via bill credit from months 2-6 . Normal monthly rates apply for remainder of plan term. Rate increases after term plans expire. $99 early termination fee for one year plan and $149 for two year plan. $19.99 activation charge. Additional charges, taxes and terms apply. Service availability, speed and uninterrupted service not guaranteed. Verizon Installation required. Installation charge of $79.99 applies to configuration of main computer only for month-to-month packages. Installation of additional computers at additional fee. Minimum systems requirements apply. Not all features of Verizon FiOS Internet Service with Windows Live™, AOL or Verizon Yahoo! are Macintosh® compatible. Other terms and conditions apply. ©2008 Verizon. All Rights Reserved.
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5/2
10/2
15/2
15/15
20/5
20/20
Not available with bundle offers or 30/50 Mbps speeds
*Two-year agreement not available for 50 Mbps/20 Mbps speed.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:47:06 EDT

defaultPlay56 : Bring 20/20 to Philadelphia area!

Re: Oh how nice it is...

Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:07:23 EDT

deblin :

said by kdcool :

It is true that 20/20 is available but only in certain areas ie: MA, etc..it will be rolling out in other areas soon!

Why would they release 15/15 in the non-20/20 areas, only to upgrade them later? It doesn't make sense, really. And if this is really going to happen, will 20/20 be the same price as what we're currently paying for 15/15?
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Re: Oh how nice it is...

Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:21:38 EDT

JeepMatt :

said by kdcool :

It is true that 20/20 is available but only in certain areas ie: MA, etc..

it will be rolling out in other areas soon!

PLEASE - can we stop with the "20 down service will be rolled out everywhere soon" bullshit???

This has been smoke and mirrors since June 2006 - so the next person that posts on here that it's coming "soon" - is a complete fool.

HAH! Take that! :p

But then again, figuring it took them a year just to roll-out a program guide, I'd say the VZ shed is full of rounded shovels.
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Re: Oh how nice it is...

Sat, 26 Jan 2008 03:16:15 EDT

kdcool : It is true that 20/20 is available but only in certain areas ie: MA, etc..it will be rolling out in other areas soon!

FYI

As an authorized agent for VZ, I can assist anyone who is looking to upgrade to FiOS provided that your neighborhood and/or street is "active" and ready to recieve the FiOS services. (I would have to verify your street info 1st)

The promotion for the free HDTV is ending soon! There are also rebate check(s) for referring others who are interested in FiOS too.

For more information Contact me at: FiOSGuy1@verizon.net

Oh how nice it is...

Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:30:18 EDT

jonez : I upgraded to 20/20 a few days ago and I am loving it! I'm still amazed at how fast my torrents are going. No one (including comcrap) will ever be able to touch FIOS.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:37:18 EDT

rtcy :

said by danclan :

said by Dnepr :

You forgot to mention extremely small NAT table which makes it worthless for P2P and god aweful wireless. :o

Otherwise I'm sure its nice :D

all of that's a function of the crappy firmware... :)

just got FIOS turned on, so now I need to read the how to turn it into a bridge, no need to fry my last few cells.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:58:35 EDT

danclan :

said by Dnepr :

You forgot to mention extremely small NAT table which makes it worthless for P2P and god aweful wireless. :o

Otherwise I'm sure its nice :D

all of that's a function of the crappy firmware... :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:28:34 EDT

Dnepr :

said by danclan :

said by rtcy :

said by Dnepr :

I'm on a WRT54GL and it has no problem sustaining 40-50MBS over my network and has absolutely no issues doing 20mbits sustained.

Using Thibor WRT 15c

\

I hope Brainslayer or James at sveasoft decide to tackle this roueter with it's 500mhz chip and so much ram, this could be a deluxe router with the right aftermarket interface over Linux. sorry I just realised this is way offtopic DUH!!!!!! I'm guilty of hijacking :(

you are fired...but seriously you are still fired.....

the actiontec has great power just totally crappy crappy crappy firmware that totally wastes it.

You forgot to mention extremely small NAT table which makes it worthless for P2P and god aweful wireless. :o

Otherwise I'm sure its nice :D

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:59:42 EDT

danclan :

said by rtcy :

said by Dnepr :

I'm on a WRT54GL and it has no problem sustaining 40-50MBS over my network and has absolutely no issues doing 20mbits sustained.

Using Thibor WRT 15c

you are fired...but seriously you are still fired.....

the actiontec has great power just totally crappy crappy crappy firmware that totally wastes it.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:37:59 EDT

rtcy :

said by Dnepr :

I'm on a WRT54GL and it has no problem sustaining 40-50MBS over my network and has absolutely no issues doing 20mbits sustained.

Using Thibor WRT 15c

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I was playing with the Actiontec MI424WR that arrived yesterday, what crappy!! interface they put on the OS on that router. It would NOT get a DHCP ip from my main router no matter what so I ended up putting on a static IP.

I hope Brainslayer or James at sveasoft decide to tackle this roueter with it's 500mhz chip and so much ram, this could be a deluxe router with the right aftermarket interface over Linux. sorry I just realised this is way offtopic DUH!!!!!! I'm guilty of hijacking :(

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:00:46 EDT

Dnepr : I'm on a WRT54GL and it has no problem sustaining 40-50MBS over my network and has absolutely no issues doing 20mbits sustained.

Using Thibor WRT 15c

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:35:03 EDT

rtcy :

said by danclan :

in my world Sveasoft does what I need and does it good. there have been versions with bugs just like dd-wrt has them too. I used their "stable v23 sp4 ??" and their newer one v24,(version numbers are by memory) I liked the daemon for game consoles, but *both* versions would lock up and had dhcp client issues. I like Sveasoft 1.21 and 1.22 and if it works why fool with it.

the dhcp daemon bug was fixed in ddwwrt v23 sp1 and later. V24 RC1+ its definitely fixed as well...

OK will give it a try on my son's bedrooms, they each have a router, I like the KAI daemon for their console connectivity, I donated 30.00 to brainslayer 2 months ago.

for my edge router I still prefer Sveasoft, right now ver 1.26 seems as good and stable as 1.22, 1.31 the one released to the public for free seems to hang up overnight and loose it's DHCP and does not renew just like the problems I was having with dd-wrt v23 sp2 as I recall, so I rolled 1.31 back to 1.26 and works just like it should.

Tomorrow I'm getting FIOS installed , and will try out the Actiontec and see how I feel about it, OTHERWISE I will buy a DIR-655 and put it there to handle firewall(I like the 4 giga ports it complements the rest of my network) and leave the Actiontec with the firewall OFF but running , next month when I get FIOS TV I will need it for the IPG and VOD.

I won a bid on a spare Actiontec and will probably donate it to James at Sveasoft to see IF he wants to consider writing code for it. I'm also ordering the open software fron Jungo in Israel (what a gimmick that company has making you send them a certified check to Isreal so they can send you back a CD haven't they heard of credit cards and HTTPS servers to collect that money??. it's probably to keep people from requesting the code under the open software licensing agreement)

If James does not do it, I still intend fooling with it, to increase the radio output and to permanently remove that open port.

keeps me busy that and grindind mirrors for telescopes ;) my 2 hobbies

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:59:06 EDT

danclan :

the dhcp daemon bug was fixed in ddwwrt v23 sp1 and later. V24 RC1+ its definitely fixed as well...

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:45:08 EDT

danclan :

quote:
said by rtcy See Profile :

you don't have to BUT most cheap wrt54g and work alikes are NOT fast enough to sustain 20, you need something new like what Verizon gives or go with the DLINK dir-655 it's rated the fastest router for the home right now

thats bunk even gen1 wrt54g and wrt54gs can easily handle 20mb connections and 30mbps connections. this has been discussed and tested so often that i grow old just responding to this....

i run a gen4 54gs cause my gen1 wireless died. with dd-wrt v23 base release with no issues and have for 2 years with my 30mbps and PPPoE.

Its the clock speed that matter most for those running over PPPoE. Those who are buying the newer routers around 100$ will have no issues running 30+ and virtually all linksys 54 models or later will easily sustain and exceed 30mbps. And users on DHCP should have an even easier time.

So find a router you like and enjoy...search the net for routers with clocks speeds nearing 300MHz or better for real speed proof routing.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:17:34 EDT

scoopy03 : looks pretty good :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:18:23 EDT

rtcy :

said by noping :

said by rtcy :

you don't have to BUT most cheap wrt54g and work alikes are NOT fast enough to sustain 20, you need something new like what Verizon gives or go with the DLINK dir-655 it's rated the fastest router for the home right now

Wrong.

Sveasoft's releases are garbage
/snip/
The only DD-WRT+WRT54G problem that I know of was with the PPPoE implementation in v23 SP2 (now obsolete) and the higher speed tiers. It's since been fixed with the v24 release candidates.

Well you have your opinions and experiences and I have mine.

in my world Sveasoft does what I need and does it good. there have been versions with bugs just like dd-wrt has them too. I used their "stable v23 sp4 ??" and their newer one v24,(version numbers are by memory) I liked the daemon for game consoles, but *both* versions would lock up and had dhcp client issues. I like Sveasoft 1.21 and 1.22 and if it works why fool with it.

anyway we all need to use what we find useful and I'm in no way here to sell *either* one as I'm thinking of moving to the DIR-655 wich no one makes aftermarket code for because of the propitary code in it, but since it has all I want , that will do it for me.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:25:20 EDT

PGHammer : In Maryland, it will be 15/15. Still.....*ouch*!
It's a *BLAST!*-killer (BLAST! is Comcast's uber-HSI package above even the 8000/768 Performance Plus with PowerBoost), considering it's symmetrical (which BLAST! isn't) and that it is only two-thirds the price of BLAST! (which is $99 monthly, where offered), not to mention it will be available in far more locations than BLAST! (which is *not* avilable in either Prince Goerge's or Montgomery Counties at all).

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:17:24 EDT

danclan : after testing on a WRT54GSv4 with DD-WRT v24 RC4. PPPoE is not fixed. It sill requires over clocking to achieve full 30mbps or more.

If you have a newer router that has a higher clock speed then you may not see any impact.

I had to over clock to 233mhz to get to 28.7 mbps on my v4 linksys.

The 24 RC4 was very clean to install and no issues going back to v23 base. I did notice that importing a v23 backup disabled many features so i did factory reset and manually enabled everything before creating a v24 backup.

I am bummed though as v23 still has bad lan dhcp daemon :(

If I was not PPPoE ...why they haven't just eliminated that altogether i dont know...i could move to v24 full time and be very very happy....so I may look to finally upgrade my v4 to something with more clock speed and or RAM.

I do notice a hit now with running HD VOD streaming across the lan. So if anyone has some recommendations that would be great....

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:57:54 EDT

lithiumfox : current running dd-wrt v24 rc4 w/ pppoe no issues with speed.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:23:15 EDT

noping : As far as I can tell. Seeing as how we're limited to 15/2 for no reason at all here around Killadelphia, I tested by saturating the connection while running a few VOD streams - under v23 SP2, this would occasionally cause DD-WRT to choke and cause problems with VOD. No, not a very precise test - but it's the best that I can do.

I can't test what would happen with the 20/20, 30/5 packages. You're on your own there.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:41:32 EDT

danclan :

The only DD-WRT+WRT54G problem that I know of was with the PPPoE implementation in v23 SP2 (now obsolete) and the higher speed tiers. It's since been fixed with the v24 release candidates.

so PPPoE is now fixed again? I have held off going to 23 sp1+ or 24 because of that but if 24 is fixing it will take another look..

I did extensive testing with several versions of 23 a while ago and the only way to get pppoe to perform well with 30/5 was to over clock.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:01:29 EDT

lithiumfox : called again today to get my service done (4th time the charm?) we will see later today if it actually went through.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:42:00 EDT

noping :

Wrong.

Sveasoft's releases are garbage - not to mention that James Ewing treats his customers like criminals. Oh, the stories I could tell involving my credit card company and Sveasoft.

The only DD-WRT+WRT54G problem that I know of was with the PPPoE implementation in v23 SP2 (now obsolete) and the higher speed tiers. It's since been fixed with the v24 release candidates.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:34:11 EDT

rtcy :

said by JohnNWPVNJMH :

I never heard of speed restrictive issues with the Linksys WRT54G series but if there really is an issue with the Linksys firmware you may want to check out an alternative solution and load your router with the opensource DD-WRT firmware which will work with the Linksys WRT54G router. Other brands and Linksys models are also supported, check, installation -->> Is my router supported, at the first site below.

About (Technical)
»www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php?ti···ocu_(EN)

About (General)
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD-WRT

I tried dd-wrt but had issues with it, my sons loved it cause it has a way for the playstations to work , I forget the option right now, but it kept locking up so I went back to Sveasoft 1.2.2 it's a solid version.

I believe the poster above "uofmiami" that hi's is handling that speed ok, in going back and remember that the post were made by the 50gig people, so must of us will be ok until we have 50 or faster ;)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:24:26 EDT

JohnNWPVNJMH : I never heard of speed restrictive issues with the Linksys WRT54G series but if there really is an issue with the Linksys firmware you may want to check out an alternative solution and load your router with the opensource DD-WRT firmware which will work with the Linksys WRT54G router. Other brands and Linksys models are also supported, check, installation -->> Is my router supported, at the first site below.

About (Technical)
»www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php?ti···ocu_(EN)

About (General)
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD-WRT

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:38:17 EDT

lithiumfox : thanks rtcy. the wrt54g that i currently have is working well, hitting well over 20/5 with my current speeds. my friend was told that he needed to get a new router in order to get the 20/20 service, though i was skeptical and wanted to see what everyone had to say. the dlink d624 that they had provided me when i first got the service was garbage. if i dont need any new hardware, i rather keep what i have for now :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:40:26 EDT

rtcy :

said by UofMiamiGrad :

My cheap WRT54G has no issues at all. Hell it did well with OOL Boost as well.

Fast enough for me:

»msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/···=7652421

That's good to hear, maybe I won't have to upgrade, but I had read of a few people saying they could not no matter what, using a few of the optimised firmwares and all check'd to go as fast as they could.

that is good news indeed for me, as I have my stuff set up tight.

thanks

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:40:27 EDT

RolteC : Im using the router they provide, and I must say, for a free router, it does the job very well.

No you dont need to, but it is recommended because as stated above, not all routers are capable of these speeds.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:14:30 EDT

UofMiamiGrad : My cheap WRT54G has no issues at all. Hell it did well with OOL Boost as well.

Fast enough for me:

»msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/···=7652421

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:03:10 EDT

rtcy :

said by lithiumfox :

my question to all those that have the 20/20 fios, do you have to be using their provided router for it to work?

called them monday to get the service setup, said it would be working in 4 hours. called them today (thursday) said the order was never placed, so they did it again, said the service would be changed by the end of the business day. now i am thinking maybe its something on my end?

currently using dd-wrt on linksys router connected via pppoe.

you don't have to BUT most cheap wrt54g and work alikes are NOT fast enough to sustain 20, you need something new like what Verizon gives or go with the DLINK dir-655 it's rated the fastest router for the home right now, I just switched all my switches to gigabit 3com and all my machines have gigabit NICs most are Intel pro's , so when I go with FIOS this month I will be ready, I also re-did all my ethernet wires myself with 5e and 6 cat using 568a modified wiring to keep collisions to a minimun and kept it away from electrical wires to (plenum type also). I will hate to give up my 3 trusty wrt54g's.

I'm hoping sveasoft will support something as fast as the DIR-655 soon, but that one is not open software so we are SOL.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:56:34 EDT

RolteC : It feels AWESOME to ahve this speed. It almost always maxes out any download from any website, and same for upload.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:19:54 EDT

JohnNWPVNJMH : I don't have such good luck with Speedtest.net, it changes all the time which makes me think their servers are maxed out. Think about the amount of bandwidth we are throwing around at such sites!

The 20/20 connection really is about giving us the ability to multitask powerful web applications without bottlenecks. If a server only will give us say 5Mbps, that means we have 15 available to still do other things without bottlenecking.

The average website server usually has a 100 Mbps connection to begin with. If that server is serving a bunch of people it is unlikely that we will get a full 20 Mbps. Some servers also use a throttle feature to help fight off DDoS attacks, Apache has this option. Cheaper servers may even have a 10Mbps connection, making it impossible for it to ever serve more than 10, even if you have a 20 package.

I wouldn't place so much faith in the speed test sites. Like I said, it took me about a week to realize all of this and think that if everyone takes the time to experiment they will see they are indeed provisioned correctly. That said, the Visualware site seems to be FiOS ready as it always gives me good results.
»msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/···=7645375

When you hit a good server that has plenty of bandwidth, you will be blown away at the speed! I downloaded a high resolution video from the ISS, about 210 megs, in less than 1 minute! Wait until you upload, wow, that is where you will really appreciate the power of FiOS but remember that the servers you are visiting must have the power to match what we have and many of sites do not! We are way ahead of the pack!

In conclusion, if you do not upload many big files or hosting some sort of app the 20/20 is really not needed and you will be fine with 20/5 which is still very fast in comparison to the competition. Save the extra $15 or apply it to getting a DVR or MediaManager, given you have FiOS Television. I went for the 20/20 since I work on remote servers often, restoring a server with a 20 uplink is without question, awesome!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:31:06 EDT

krsnj : OK, Interesting....

»msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/···=7643001

getting closer on the upload speed.

Speedtest.net shows

Which is even better...

John may be onto something here...

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:49:28 EDT

lithiumfox : ::cries::

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:31:16 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : How does it FEEL ??? LOL

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:25:45 EDT

lithiumfox : i am really upset with verizon customer service, i guess all of you are at one point. been trying to get this 20/20 working for a week now, nothing yet. one of the billing reps was saying "i never heard 20/20 service and i do this all day long", she then spoke to a manager and got owned. whatever it may be, hopefully i get my service soon. it sucks having naked fios.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:31:47 EDT

GeekNJ : What AV program are you running? Any spyware programs?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:30:50 EDT

RolteC : Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 20.45Mb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 20.79Mb/s
The slowest link in the end-to-end path is a 45 Mbps T3/DS3 subnet

*&@(*BDIBIOWBD(@GE&@YRIBYG@O*R@*^)*@)*@GUH@BPIBGPG*)^FGR!!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:32:18 EDT

JohnNWPVNJMH : I had the same issues and realized after a week of experimenting that most test servers can't handle the bandwidth to give a proper reading!

From uploading to various servers and downloading I was able to confirm that my 20/20 is working fine.

There is only one test site that seems to have the ability to test true high bandwidth ... try the test at the following link and see what you get:

»myspeed.visualware.com/

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:14:33 EDT

retsam : yes it is full duplex.

Is the 20/20 full duplex?

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:15:59 EDT

anon : Is the 20/20 full duplex?

In otherwords, can you upload at 20 while downloading at 20? All speed testers I have seen only test download then upload, but not both at the same time.

Thanks.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:35:42 EDT

RolteC : That could be true.

I have multiple guys here now starting to work on running everything. I CANT WAIT!!!!!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:29:36 EDT

vert99 : I was told that I can get triple play with 20/20 at $15 dollars more a month. Is this true?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:14:15 EDT

krsnj : After making the mods suggested by Geek I tried all the tests above from my wired laptop to see if there was any difference

Verizon:
We have finished your connection speed test.
Your download speed is: 18.416 Mbps
Your upload speed is: 6.782 Mbps
Your current Verizon FiOS Internet Speed package is up to 20/20

Congratulations! This test result indicates your service is operating normally.

?????!

Speed Test Analysis Information

Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
SendBufferSize set to [522720]
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 6.78Mb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 18.41Mb/s

------ Client System Details ------
OS data: Name = Windows XP, Architecture = x86, Version = 5.1
Java data: Vendor = Sun Microsystems Inc., Version = 1.5.0_09

------ Web100 Detailed Analysis ------
Client Receive Window detected at 1045440 bytes.
45 Mbps T3/DS3 link found.
Link set to Half Duplex mode
Information: throughput is limited by other network traffic.
Good network cable(s) found
Normal duplex operation found.

Web100 reports the Round trip time = 204.81 msec; the Packet size = 1460 Bytes; and
There were 25 packets retransmitted, 713 duplicate acks received, and 714 SACK blocks received
The connection was idle 0 seconds (0%) of the time
This connection is receiver limited 3.42% of the time.
This connection is sender limited 86.9% of the time.
This connection is network limited 9.67% of the time.

Web100 reports TCP negotiated the optional Performance Settings to:
RFC 2018 Selective Acknowledgment: ON
RFC 896 Nagle Algorithm: ON
RFC 3168 Explicit Congestion Notification: OFF
RFC 1323 Time Stamping: OFF
RFC 1323 Window Scaling: ON
Packet size is preserved End-to-End
Server IP addresses are preserved End-to-End
Information: Network Address Translation (NAT) box is modifying the Client's IP address

Speedtest.net

OK, I like that, but no other site is giving me that. Why??

But speakeasy.net/speedtest fron NYC a few minutes later gives:
Last Result:
Download Speed: 20645 kbps (2580.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 12741 kbps (1592.6 KB/sec transfer rate)

DrTcpIP
»/tweakr/block:···a=normal

So I'm at a loss here what is going on. One site says I have great service, two others say I have 1/3 to 1/2 the upload speed I should have.

TIA for suggestions.

ks

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:53:03 EDT

RolteC : That all sounds good.

Here I sit waiting for a Verizon van to pull up to my house but none yet.

Driving around earlier I saw one stopped 3 blocks away but who knows.

When will they come to install it!?!??!!??!?!? I CANT WAIT@@!@!@!@!@

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:36:52 EDT

krsnj : The 20/20 when bundled with the TV package was $64.95 for 2 years.

When compared to my CV bill plus phone, the new service, Phone/TV/Internet is saving me $60 per month, plus I get 2 DVRs which I never had before, and the 4X faster Upload speed (if I can get it to work).

But price was not the deciding factor. I often send 1-4,000 photos to my printing lab in Dallas. Upload speed is what I'm looking for and the 20/20 seemed to fit the bill if I can get it working.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:41:41 EDT

louist : Sorry if this has already been answered, but those of you who have the 20/20: Ae you paying for a premium service or is that the base standard that is priced (after the first months of discounted service ) at $49.95/month?

I have the "standard" 20/5. It is discounted for first 8 months (double play bundle) and then wil be $ 49.95.

I generally test at about 20.4 or 20.7 down and at about 4.5 up.

20/20 was available but at a significantly higher cost.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer me.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:08:17 EDT

Lee GWB : Hi,
I'll do a tracert when I get in tonight.I use Visual Route too.
Lee

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:59:42 EDT

GeekNJ : The other 20/20 tracerts are better (about 1/2 the latency) but I'm not sure if it's enough of a difference to cause the upload to be ~1/2 of what it should be.

If you want, I can pop over on the weekend since you're only a town away. I can bring my notebook and see what I get, even though the tech's notebook showed faster speeds.

What Anti Virus or spyware software do you have installed? Maybe some software is slowing down the upload?
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:28:49 EDT

UofMiamiGrad : Same as Blunted 1, using my WRT54G:

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Admininisrator>tracert dslreports.com

Tracing route to dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 4 ms 3 ms 4 ms 72.80.172.1
3 7 ms 4 ms 5 ms P2-2.LCR-04.NYCMNY.verizon-gni.net [130.81.48.38]
4 6 ms 7 ms 7 ms 130.81.29.202
5 7 ms 22 ms 6 ms 0.so-3-1-0.XT1.NYC8.ALTER.NET [152.63.10.33]
6 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms 0.so-6-0-0.XL3.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.16.221]
7 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms GigabitEthernet6-0-0.GW18.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.22.225]
8 6 ms 7 ms 7 ms teliasonera-test.customer.alter.net [157.130.255.206]
9 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms nyk-bb2-link.telia.net [213.248.83.65]
10 13 ms 7 ms 9 ms nyk-b3-link.telia.net [80.91.254.70]
11 6 ms 7 ms 7 ms nac-110814-nyk-b3.c.telia.net [213.248.82.94]
12 6 ms 7 ms 16 ms 12.ae0.gbr1.tl9.nac.net [209.123.11.71]
13 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms 0.so-0-1-0.gbr1.oct.nac.net [209.123.11.142]
14 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]

Trace complete.

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:03:09 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : I have 20/20 but mine is ethernet

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert dslreports.com

Tracing route to dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 71.167.54.1
2 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms P6-2.LCR-06.NYCMNY.verizon-gni.net [130.81.54.46
]
3 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 130.81.29.206
4 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 0.so-3-1-0.XT2.NYC9.ALTER.NET [152.63.10.45]
5 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 0.so-7-0-0.XL4.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.17.97]
6 4 ms 5 ms 4 ms GigabitEthernet7-0-0.GW18.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63
.22.229]
7 7 ms 4 ms 4 ms teliasonera-test.customer.alter.net [157.130.255
.206]
8 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms nyk-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.250.162]
9 5 ms 5 ms 4 ms nyk-b3-pos1-0-0.telia.net [213.248.82.18]
10 5 ms 6 ms 7 ms netaccess-114875-nyk-b3.c.telia.net [213.248.83.
186]
11 5 ms 5 ms 8 ms 12.ae0.gbr1.tl9.nac.net [209.123.11.71]
12 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms 0.so-0-1-0.gbr1.oct.nac.net [209.123.11.142]
13 8 ms 8 ms 7 ms www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]

Trace complete.

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:48:30 EDT

GeekNJ : That first to second hop is what is causing the "relative" lag compared to my connection. I'm just not sure if it's enough lag to prevent you from seeing higher upload.

You don't have any "optimizer" utilities running at startup? Just seems odd your RWIN is reported as being so high.

Maybe someone else with 20/20 or on coax can do a tracert and we can compare their results to yours. It's just odd that, as you reported, the techs notebook on the same connection got close to 20mb on the up. Your PC is going 1ms to the router so it doesn't seem to be a lag from your PC to the router.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:30:25 EDT

krsnj : It is coax from the Actiontec to the ONT....

Tracing route to dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms Wireless_Broadband_Router.home [192.168.1.1]
2 8 ms 6 ms 7 ms L100.VFTTP-44.NWRKNJ.verizon-gni.net [71.172.65.
1]
3 9 ms 9 ms 10 ms P4-2.LCR-04.NWRKNJ.verizon-gni.net [130.81.59.25
4]
4 9 ms 14 ms 10 ms 130.81.29.194
5 10 ms 10 ms 8 ms 0.so-5-0-0.XL2.EWR6.ALTER.NET [152.63.20.13]
6 11 ms 9 ms 10 ms 0.so-7-3-1.XL4.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.16.186]
7 12 ms 9 ms 10 ms GigabitEthernet7-0-0.GW18.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63
.22.229]
8 17 ms 9 ms 10 ms teliasonera-test.customer.alter.net [157.130.255
.206]
9 9 ms 10 ms 9 ms nyk-bb1-link.telia.net [213.248.83.225]
10 13 ms 12 ms 12 ms nyk-b3-link.telia.net [80.91.254.66]
11 13 ms 12 ms 12 ms nac-110814-nyk-b3.c.telia.net [213.248.82.94]
12 11 ms 12 ms 12 ms 12.ae0.gbr1.tl9.nac.net [209.123.11.71]
13 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms 0.so-0-1-0.gbr1.oct.nac.net [209.123.11.142]
14 16 ms 14 ms 14 ms www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]

Trace complete.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:23:47 EDT

GeekNJ :

said by krsnj :

& yes you have to use their combination Cable Modem/Router.

At least that's what they told me.....

I'm guessing you have your WAN connection (router to ONT) using Coax and not Ethernet. If so, you need to use the Actiontec. if you switch to using Ethernet to the ONT, you can use any router if you so desired. You'd still need the Actiontec to handle the TV "stuff" like guide, widgets and VOD.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:22:16 EDT

GeekNJ : It's still showing a really huge RWIN.

Your 3rd column in the tweak test shows:
Minimum ping: 14.90 ms
Maximum ping: 21.23 ms
Ping stability:
14.96 17.08 14.90 21.23 18.99 16.80 19.79 18.50 16.12 17.74

My 3rd column shows (and I have 20/5):
Minimum ping: 7.60 ms
Maximum ping: 9.56 ms
Ping stability:
8.51 9.56 8.09 7.99 8.82 8.25 7.94 8.39 7.60 8.30

I'm also wireless (802.11g) and you are wired. I don't have an Actiontec as when I got FIOS it was still PPPoE and using the Dlink.

Can you run a tracert to dslreports.com and compare it to mine so we can see where the delay is. My tracert is:

C:\>tracert www.dslreports.com

Tracing route to dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 3 ms 2 ms 2 ms 10.5.35.16
3 4 ms 3 ms 3 ms P3-1.LCR-02.NWRKNJ.verizon-gni.net [130.81.38.210]
4 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 130.81.29.190
5 5 ms 5 ms 4 ms 0.so-5-0-0.XL2.EWR6.ALTER.NET [152.63.20.13]
6 6 ms 6 ms 5 ms 0.so-7-3-1.XL4.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.16.186]
7 5 ms 6 ms 5 ms GigabitEthernet7-0-0.GW18.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.22.229]
8 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms teliasonera-test.customer.alter.net [157.130.255.206]
9 7 ms 5 ms 5 ms nyk-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.250.162]
10 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms nyk-b3-link.telia.net [80.91.254.66]
11 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms netaccess-114875-nyk-b3.c.telia.net [213.248.83.186]
12 6 ms 7 ms 6 ms 12.ae0.gbr1.tl9.nac.net [209.123.11.71]
13 10 ms 10 ms 9 ms 0.so-0-1-0.gbr1.oct.nac.net [209.123.11.142]
14 9 ms 10 ms 9 ms www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]

Trace complete.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:12:07 EDT

krsnj : & yes you have to use their combination Cable Modem/Router.

At least that's what they told me.....

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:10:28 EDT

krsnj : OK, did all that....

»/tweakr/block:···a=normal

Speakeasy NYC
Last Result:
Download Speed: 20681 kbps (2585.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 12878 kbps (1609.8 KB/sec transfer rate)

Verizon
Your download speed is: 19.453 Mbps
Your upload speed is: 6.455 Mbps

Speed Test Analysis Information

Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
SendBufferSize set to [522720]
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 8.02Mb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 16.22Mb/s
Packet size is preserved End-to-End
Server IP addresses are preserved End-to-End
Information: Network Address Translation (NAT) box is modifying the Client's IP address

The detailed page is different than it was on the last test. I'm getting the "not optimized for FIOS" messages on their page again.

& yes you have to use their combination Cable Modem/Router.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:03:26 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : I have used DD-WRT and Tomato on my WRT-45g V3 and mine worked fine on 20/5, 35/10 and 20/20. Now I am using the D-Link DGL-4300 and it works better than the linksys that was maxxing out at around 32 to 33 mb.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:00:40 EDT

lithiumfox : my question to all those that have the 20/20 fios, do you have to be using their provided router for it to work?

called them monday to get the service setup, said it would be working in 4 hours. called them today (thursday) said the order was never placed, so they did it again, said the service would be changed by the end of the business day. now i am thinking maybe its something on my end?

currently using dd-wrt on linksys router connected via pppoe.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:43:46 EDT

GeekNJ : Your TCP receive Window is still showing over 1 million. Is there some other utility you have that is messing with the RWIN?

Maybe something to try is rest the TCP stack, reboot, and re-apply DrTCP settings. If you want to try it, open a DOS command prompt window and type:
netsh int ip reset c:\netsh.txt

Then reboot and run DrTCP, reset RWIN and reboot again.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:40:22 EDT

krsnj : Post Geek's suggestions MTU set to 1500 and TCP Receive Window set to 385440, rebooted...

The CV Cable Modem WAS a SB5100
The Router WAS a WRT54G

The Verizon Cable modem/Router combo is an ActionTec M1424-WR Rev C.

Tewak:
»/tweakr/block:···a=normal

Speakeasy NY:
Last Result:
Download Speed: 20778 kbps (2597.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 12513 kbps (1564.1 KB/sec transfer rate)

Verizon Test
Your download speed is:18.276 Mbps
Your upload speed is:7.988 Mbps
Your current Verizon FiOS Internet Speed package is up to 20/20
Detailed:
Speed Test Analysis Information

Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
SendBufferSize set to [522720]
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 7.98Mb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 18.27Mb/s

------ Client System Details ------
OS data: Name = Windows XP, Architecture = x86, Version = 5.1
Java data: Vendor = Sun Microsystems Inc., Version = 1.6.0_01

------ Web100 Detailed Analysis ------
Client Receive Window detected at 1045440 bytes.
45 Mbps T3/DS3 link found.
Link set to Half Duplex mode
Information: throughput is limited by other network traffic.
Good network cable(s) found
Normal duplex operation found.

Web100 reports the Round trip time = 208.55 msec; the Packet size = 1460 Bytes; and
There were 25 packets retransmitted, 712 duplicate acks received, and 713 SACK blocks received
The connection was idle 0 seconds (0%) of the time
This connection is receiver limited 3.37% of the time.
This connection is sender limited 88.44% of the time.
This connection is network limited 8.18% of the time.

Web100 reports TCP negotiated the optional Performance Settings to:
RFC 2018 Selective Acknowledgment: ON
RFC 896 Nagle Algorithm: ON
RFC 3168 Explicit Congestion Notification: OFF
RFC 1323 Time Stamping: OFF
RFC 1323 Window Scaling: ON
Packet size is preserved End-to-End
Server IP addresses are preserved End-to-End
Information: Network Address Translation (NAT) box is modifying the Client's IP address

Thanks for the suggestions...

ks

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:19:27 EDT

krsnj : Speed Test Analysis Information

Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
SendBufferSize set to [522720]
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 9.42Mb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 19.63Mb/s
Information: Network Middlebox is modifying MSS variable
Server IP addresses are preserved End-to-End
Information: Network Address Translation (NAT) box is modifying the Client's IP address

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:16:36 EDT

GeekNJ : It looks like something is set to PPPoE if it's showing 1492 as the MTU. Are you connected to an Actiontec router? You said you came from CV so you should have been 1500 on both the MTU and PC's, right?

You are running XP so download DRTCP021.exe from »/drtcp and run it. Is it showing 1492 on the PC or 1500 for the MTU?

Also, lets try lowering the TCP Receive Window RWIN to 385440. Save, exit and reboot. See what the NYC speeds test shows.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:08:28 EDT

nycdave : krs, I suggested that you post a technical analysis of your Verizon Speedtest results here. Posting the speed results is meaningless - we need to see your Send and Receive Window Sizes in order to determine what they are set to on your PC's..

When you finish the VZ test, the results page says 'click on analysis for detailed technical analysis'. That is what you need to post here - the entire page, not just the up and down speeds...

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:00:42 EDT

krsnj : DrTcpIP

»/tweakr/block:···a=normal

NYC Speakeasy

Last Result:
Download Speed: 20721 kbps (2590.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 10318 kbps (1289.8 KB/sec transfer rate)

THe connection is wired. 6-foot cable. Changed that also to see if there was any effect. There wasn't

thanks

ks

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:43:07 EDT

GeekNJ :

said by krsnj :

If anyone has thoughts on how to fix this I'd apreciate them. Receive window is 33750, MTU is 1500.

You posted 33750. I'm guessing that is a typo.

Can you run a test at »/drtcp and post the URL of the results page.

What does the NYC Speakeasy test at »speedtest.speakeasy.net show?

Are you wired or wireless?
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:30:00 EDT

krsnj : is your harddrive fast enough?
WD SATAs 7200 RPM w/16MB Cache

is the bus that your drive controleer hooked up to fast enough?
Tyan 2895 MoBo w SATA connections. Its fast

do you have packet loss/collisions inside your house?
Do not know how to test that. BUT, If the Verizon installer's laptop worked inside the same network at the correct speeds.....

do you have a cpu fast enough and enough memory?
Dual AMD 744s & 3MB memory

do you have one of many shoddy network cards with even more shoddier DRIVERs? what bus is it? on?
Dual Nvidia NIcs on the MoBO.

do you have the registry settings right for the OS you are using?
Good ?. Point me to what you'd know about.

Like I said, I'm on Win XP Pro on 1 system, XP Home on 2 others. All 3...a Dell, a HP and a custom built speedtest the same or close.

ks

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:18:23 EDT

krsnj : Sorry about the multiple IDs.

WinXp, AMD 744 with 3MB memory & NVidia 10/100 NIC.

The Speed check says I need to run their Optimizer( which I have & re-booted...several times) but when I try to run it it says that it has already been optimized....weird.

ks

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:15:18 EDT

rtcy :

said by krsnj :

/snip/
EXCUSE ME! The reason I moved from Cablevision was for the higher upload speed. NOT HAPPY....The installer did a good job & wanted to know why his laptop showed one thing and my systems did another but his inside support let him and me down.

If anyone has thoughts on how to fix this I'd apreciate them. Receive window is 33750, MTU is 1500.

thanks

ks

there are *many* variables that no one in a support job can help you with remotely.

is your harddrive fast enough?

is the bus that your drive controleer hooked up to fast enough?

do you have packet loss/collisions inside your house?

do you have a cpu fast enough and enough memory?

do you have one of many shoddy network cards with even more shoddier DRIVERs? what bus is it? on?

do you have the registry settings right for the OS you are using?

did you know the settings for VISTA are different and turned off by default then those on XP?

I posted a link in here how to set up vista to go faster for uploads

if you have VIsta let me know I'll look up that technet link and post it

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:09:50 EDT

njkrs : We have finished your connection speed test.

Your download
speed is:
19.353 Mbps

Your upload
speed is:
7.674 Mbps

Your current Verizon
FiOS Internet Speed
package is up to 20/20

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:54:38 EDT

nycdave : Run the Verizon Speedtest, and post the 'analysis' stats here. The Verizon speedtest is »speedtest.verizon.net

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:37:11 EDT

krsnj : OK, Verizon came out today to switch me over to FIOS Phone, TV and 20/20 Internet. The main thing that everyone involved kept saying was "I didn't know we offered 20/20." Anyway, the TV/Phone part went well, the internet connectivity came up fine, was able to browse and send/receive email. It all just worked. But when we started running speed tests it started to fall down. On Verizon's test server it was consistently 18-19 down and 6-8 up. Moving out to the network caused even stranger results.

The Verizon tech installed his laptop on my new router...he gets 17/17, 18/18 consistently. So there is something set wrong on all 3 of my PCs. We use the Verizon Optimizer...no change, DrTcpIP, no change.

The installer calls level 2 support who responds "I did not know we were offering 20/20. This is my first one." He takes over my desktop remotely, runs a bunch of tests, and GIVES UP, leaving me with a Microsoft support page on my screen about changing my registry settings.

EXCUSE ME! The reason I moved from Cablevision was for the higher upload speed. NOT HAPPY....The installer did a good job & wanted to know why his laptop showed one thing and my systems did another but his inside support let him and me down.

If anyone has thoughts on how to fix this I'd apreciate them. Receive window is 33750, MTU is 1500.

thanks

ks

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:48:07 EDT

UofMiamiGrad :

said by RolteC :

And so it begins.

Thank you Verizon.

Install date is tomorrow for the 20/20 service!

Congrats, welcome to the 20/20 club :) Hope you have a smooth install tomorrow. Keep us updated!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:47:48 EDT

RolteC : And so it begins.

Thank you Verizon.

Install date is tomorrow for the 20/20 service!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:22:36 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : Yea but how many do that ? I have it and only use it mostly for gaming but I don't ever go over 200 gigs a month and thats both ways.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:16:23 EDT

noping : Customers who saturate their $65 20/20 line, 24/7 == "unprofitable"

If they can support several hundred customers abusing their 10/20/30/50 packages that way in addition to (HD-)VOD without degrading service, more power to them.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:59:06 EDT

rtcy :

said by noping :

From the video:

Nearly 30x faster than 768Kbps cable upload

10x faster than 2Mbps ~~cable~~ FiOS upload

Fixed.

I still want to see/hear reports from 20/20 users engaging in "excessive bandwidth usage" for a week or two if possible - it still sounds too good to be true, there's gotta be some sort of catch somewhere.

ATTENTION calling all moderators, when can we get a red flashing sign that moves as you scroll that says VERIZON DOES NOT CAP ANYTHING PRESENTLY EXCEPT FOR NEWSGROUPS THEY OWN. can it attach to your mouse as you move it too :mad: :mad: :mad:

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:51:21 EDT

Tzale :

said by rtcy :

said by eric87m :

If this actually comes to fruition, we'll be 1/5 of the way to Japan and South Korea's speed!

yes but we have forks and spoons

really give it a rest, we can shove japan and korea in southern california and leave room for the forrest fires

it's government subsidesied system, fiber is fiber keep repeating it until a light goes off and you get it

100% true... Who wants to live in Japan or Korea anyway?

-Tzale
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457,000,000 miles of fiber optics placed and counting!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:34:38 EDT

rtcy :

said by eric87m :

If this actually comes to fruition, we'll be 1/5 of the way to Japan and South Korea's speed!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:25:21 EDT

lithiumfox : been 24 hours, no speed upgrade yet =\ need to call them tomorrow.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:54:12 EDT

Tzale :

said by RolteC :

Its not accross the street its the same blocl, I can walk to their backyard :/ Now do you see what I mean. Im calling now again to speak to someone higher up. Lets see what happens.

OK, it's a database error then. Let us know how you make out.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:13:36 EDT

RolteC : Its not accross the street its the same blocl, I can walk to their backyard :/ Now do you see what I mean. Im calling now again to speak to someone higher up. Lets see what happens.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:32:13 EDT

Tzale :

said by RolteC :

Yeah but, the block directly next to ours and all the blocks next to that one are already lit and as far as I see, all the cables run in the same direction to the same green box on a pole.

So I know Im not wrong.

By the way, I just entered the addresses into the website and it says the houses on the other side of my block can order. But my side of the block says its not available. How the hell is this possible when we have the same lines!!!??? And no one better give me any of the "might be different lines or town" crap anymore please because everything is the same, the fiber cable from the box comes 6 feet from my brothers WINDOW before heading over to the house next to ours. ugh.....

Calm down man. Just call up Verizon and nag them about it, it's probably just a database mistake. The truth is that if it isn't a database mistake, it HAS to be because you're on a different CO. They turn on areas by CO, and it IS possible that your neighbors across the street are on a different CO, though I'm willing to bet it's just a simple database error.

Give VZ a buzz and see what's up.

Good Luck!

-Tzale

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:21:26 EDT

RolteC : Yeah but, the block directly next to ours and all the blocks next to that one are already lit and as far as I see, all the cables run in the same direction to the same green box on a pole.

So I know Im not wrong.

By the way, I just entered the addresses into the website and it says the houses on the other side of my block can order. But my side of the block says its not available. How the hell is this possible when we have the same lines!!!??? And no one better give me any of the "might be different lines or town" crap anymore please because everything is the same, the fiber cable from the box comes 6 feet from my brothers WINDOW before heading over to the house next to ours. ugh.....

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:02:13 EDT

JohnA :
Your neighbor may have been installed as a friendly during the testing phase of a new CO, before it's available to the general public. Just spoke to a Vz employee from Baltimore, and one of her neighbors somehow convinced Vz to install her, but it's still not available in her CO. No rhyme or reason to who is a friendly, or designated that way.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:05:09 EDT

lithiumfox : I have ordered 20/20 today for 69.99 in Mineola, NY. They said it will be ready within 4 hours.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:05:04 EDT

RolteC : Ok, so Im waiting for a phone call either today or tomorrow to take care of this.

And this is impossible that any town line exists. We share the same phone/cable/electric lines. They all run down the middle of the block... so why would only they get Fios and everyone else on the block cant? I mean they arent special, they dont even work for verizon, my neighbor (two houses down) does but that isnt the point.

No matter what address I put in, the website says no service is available. So yes, Verizon is stupid when it comes to who can get service and who cant, I wonder how much that is costing them per month/year now that they arent fixing their databases.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:31:51 EDT

KA3SGM :

said by RolteC :

SO a verizon guy syas he will be working in my backyard running cable, I asked is it Fios and he said yes for one of my neighbors.

I said how is that possible!! Cause the last person said to wait until the end of the year at the earliest to order, he said "no its been available with 10/2 15/5 and 20/20 speeds."

So im now on the phone and im going to place my 20/20 order!!!!!!!

Edit!!!!!!

Even though my neighbor BEHIND MY HOUSE is getting it, the person on the phone said she cant place an order because nothing is showing up on their computers. How stupid is that? Lets see what can get done next week about this.

Unless a Township/City line runs through your backyard, or the street behind you is on a different CO than you,
you are the next one of thousands, that will finally realize that Verizon's FiOS engineering database has more holes than Swiss Cheese.

Request a local tech or manager come out to verify that they have made yet another mistake.

I hope it works out for you...
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:05:47 EDT

RolteC : SO a verizon guy syas he will be working in my backyard running cable, I asked is it Fios and he said yes for one of my neighbors.

I said how is that possible!! Cause the last person said to wait until the end of the year at the earliest to order, he said "no its been available with 10/2 15/5 and 20/20 speeds."

So im now on the phone and im going to place my 20/20 order!!!!!!!

Edit!!!!!!

Even though my neighbor BEHIND MY HOUSE is getting it, the person on the phone said she cant place an order because nothing is showing up on their computers. How stupid is that? Lets see what can get done next week about this.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:30:59 EDT

UofMiamiGrad : Well I am on FIOS, WOOHOO!

»msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/···=7523968

Techs had an issue with the fiber splicer (Sumitomo machine) so had to get another one. Finally got it spliced and all is well. Had them do ethernet since TV is not approved here and won't be for years. Initial tech had the pull string break, so that sucked & slowed that process down. So from 10am until 4:20pm, two different techs got the install done in different shifts. Now I can cancel my OOL account & enjoy being back on FIOS!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:15:34 EDT

noping :

said by jmirabella :

is there a SLA on business FIOS?

There isn't.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:52:25 EDT

jmirabella : is there a SLA on business FIOS?

if not, its the perfect residential product for them, they can oversell it 10000x if needed..

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:05:01 EDT

deblin :

said by Tzale :

Yeah, they don't do anything with the ONT. They're installing the initial service for free anyway, and I bet there isn't 1% more work to do for a 20/20 install over a 20/5 install. Hell, even if there was more work at the ONT, that wouldn't justify charging $140 for the router.

-Tzale

Let us know what they say on Monday. I don't quite get it either. Unless this is how they are subsidizing some of the cost of the 20/20. But even then, that's only $20/mo amortized over 1 year.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:58:43 EDT

Tzale :

said by deblin :

I honestly don't know why they'd do that, unless they have to send someone out to do something with the ONT (which I don't think they have to do). I'd just give them a call on Monday and ask what's up.

Yeah, they don't do anything with the ONT. They're installing the initial service for free anyway, and I bet there isn't 1% more work to do for a 20/20 install over a 20/5 install. Hell, even if there was more work at the ONT, that wouldn't justify charging $140 for the router.

-Tzale

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:05:53 EDT

deblin :

said by sporkme :

said by deblin :

[
What doesn't make sense to me is that a business can benefit from symmetrical speeds immensely. Yet they are only offering this (currently) to residential customers? That makes no sense whatsoever.

To VZ it does, they'd love to sell you a T3. :)

Good point :D
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:26:02 EDT

sporkme :

To VZ it does, they'd love to sell you a T3. :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 00:02:18 EDT

deblin : I honestly don't know why they'd do that, unless they have to send someone out to do something with the ONT (which I don't think they have to do). I'd just give them a call on Monday and ask what's up.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 28 Oct 2007 00:01:15 EDT

Tzale :

said by deblin :

The point is, 20/20 is available for you. It's not for many others (hell, even 20/5 isn't available). I would try getting 20/5, then upgrading later. Or just call them and ask them what's up with charging the installation fee for 20/20 when 20/5 is free.

I know what your point was. However, I still don't see it being right to charge me $240.... It can't be justified. If you want to give me a free install for the cheaper package, why not for the more expensive package too?

-Tzale

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:36:49 EDT

deblin : The point is, 20/20 is available for you. It's not for many others (hell, even 20/5 isn't available). I would try getting 20/5, then upgrading later. Or just call them and ask them what's up with charging the installation fee for 20/20 when 20/5 is free.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:32:55 EDT

Tzale :

said by deblin :

heh. I'd happily pay $240 if it meant I could get 20/20 or hell even 15/15 :)

Maybe you would. But I'm not prepared to fork over $240 for something that would be free if I elected to give Verizon LESS money per month. I choose the more expensive plan and I have to pay for installation? WTF... If it isn't free, I'll just go with 20/5 and upgrade to 20/20 if they let me later. It's just stupid stuff like this that makes no sense.

-Tzale

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:22:10 EDT

deblin : heh. I'd happily pay $240 if it meant I could get 20/20 or hell even 15/15 :)
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:15:57 EDT

Tzale : What's the deal with Verizon charging the $79.99 installation fee for 1 computer, $19.99 FiOS activation fee and $139.99 Actiontec router if you pick 20/20 with the bundle deal (Freedom Essentials, TV and 20/20 in NJ)???? When I select 20/5 it says that all those things are free. I don't understand why they would charge me $239.97 in one-time fees just because I ordered a higher bandwidth / more expensive package.. It's not like it changes anything with the installation over 20/5.

-Tzale
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:33:01 EDT

NoOneButMe : anyone know when the 15mb by 15mb will hit North Texas ?
i would like to know was thinking of getting fios

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:34:57 EDT

Raven313 :

said by nukleuz :

i'll call and ask when MD is getting it too.

Any answer?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:02:21 EDT

noping : From the video:

Nearly 30x faster than 768Kbps cable upload

10x faster than 2Mbps ~~cable~~ FiOS upload

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:12:45 EDT

matcarl : Here's a Verizon demo from You Tube

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3jZ-CiHOSY

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:57:39 EDT

anon : 20/20 is only $15.00 more than the 20/5 in NYC. But I am satisfied with my 20/5 because I don't do that much uploading.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:23:02 EDT

noping :

said by bklynite :

said by noping :

Said it before, I'll say it again: F- Verizon.

Simple solution: change providers.

Simple != good. Sorry, you fail.

OH HAY A NEW YORKER WHY AM I NOT AT ALL SURPRISED BY YOUR RESPONSE

:uhh:

I would fully expect them to fuck up my monthly bill even further if I made any more changes to my account.

I see no reason for the discrepancy between the different areas. If the problem is with the cost of additional bandwidth, take the money from the recent rate hike and dump it there. Because, uh, that's why they raised the monthly fee, right? To be able to "continue to provide the highest level of service"?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:24:31 EDT

BD11goal : The way I see it is that Verizon will roll out the symetrical package to business customers at a much higher price than the home users. As far as they are concerned, I believe they don't think many home users will actually use the whole 20mbps upload consistently, but with a business customer with a static IP there is a good chance a server will run on it. Bandwidth = money and even though as a home user they advertise the 20mbps and they won't cap you if you use it all, the vast majority of users aren't going to be using that upload a whole lot. Even so, that upload would definetly make sending pictures and home videos much easier and much snappier, but that would be a once in a while thing. With a server especially a large game server or such, the bandwidth would actually be used consistently. This is why symetrical business connections are billed by the amount of data transferred for the most part.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:02:05 EDT

Lee GWB : Hi,
I got it upgraded with in hours of the roll out.
Lee

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:55:15 EDT

deusgear : Here you go guys
»i24.tinypic.com/35ckgms.jpg

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:14:30 EDT

nukleuz : i'll call and ask when MD is getting it too.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:52:40 EDT

ZaRRaZa : just wrote email to verizon, asking if it is available in my area in ct. Article said ny,nj and ct. So i hope i'll be ok. Kind a sick of cox.net. They upgrading only down speed (which is 20 Mpbs and i dont even need that much, i rather would have 15/5 or 10/10) and up speed always stays at 2 Mbps.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:34:02 EDT

deusgear : Just ordered the service. Rep told me the earliest I can have it is tomorrow, anyone else got that?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:32:53 EDT

deblin :

said by gquiring :

I agree who needs 20 up if your not running a server, it makes zero sense.

I'm sure people can find uses for it. But it just makes so much more sense for a business. 20/20 would be perfect for even a moderately large business. I don't see why they didn't release it for business at the same time, it's not like there's a technical limitation here. I'm still thinking they are just trying to decide how much to gouge people on the price. :uhh:
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:30:53 EDT

gquiring :

said by deblin :

said by gquiring :

Does the 20/20 home deal allow servers? Could you run a low volume web server?

I don't think so. The residential TOS prohibits servers, doesn't it? And port 80 is blocked (though I guess you could run it on a different port).

What doesn't make sense to me is that a business can benefit from symmetrical speeds immensely. Yet they are only offering this (currently) to residential customers? That makes no sense whatsoever.

I agree who needs 20 up if your not running a server, it makes zero sense.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:25:41 EDT

deblin :

said by gquiring :

Does the 20/20 home deal allow servers? Could you run a low volume web server?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:21:16 EDT

gquiring : Does the 20/20 home deal allow servers? Could you run a low volume web server?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:45:23 EDT

deblin :

said by mandraw :

I've got the business 20/5 with static ip's. Just got off the phone with the business sales guys and they said 20/20 is only available for residential customers. The guy I spoke to actually sounded kinda ticked of about it, and said they just found out about it today, and immediately the business sales guys started asking their managers when it would be available... I was told to try back in a few weeks...

-b

Ugh, I was afraid of that. I bet they are deciding whether to charge an arm and a leg, or all 4 limbs. :(
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:36:56 EDT

bklynite :

said by noping :

Said it before, I'll say it again: F- Verizon.

Simple solution: change providers.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:14:13 EDT

noping : I found this part of the news posting on the homepage interesting:

Tassinari also touched on the company's planned GPON upgrades, which could potentially allow Verizon to offer speeds up to 400Mbps

HA HA HA HA HA

said by deblin :

Yeah, but "soon" with verizon could be by the end of ~~2008~~ 2009. :uhh:

Fixed that statement for you. Anybody recall being told we'd have 20/5 in the coming months back in 2005? Anyone?

said by nycdave :

Read the press release again - it says 'similar symmetrical speeds' in other states....

Lovely. So, nothing has really changed in the long run if you think about it. We pay the same amount (or more) and get less.

Said it before, I'll say it again: F- Verizon.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:56:42 EDT

mandraw : I've got the business 20/5 with static ip's. Just got off the phone with the business sales guys and they said 20/20 is only available for residential customers. The guy I spoke to actually sounded kinda ticked of about it, and said they just found out about it today, and immediately the business sales guys started asking their managers when it would be available... I was told to try back in a few weeks...

-b

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:31:24 EDT

deblin :

said by stu28bu :

The press release out today on 20/20 states right now in part of NY, NJ and CT and will SOON be in the other 13 states.

Yeah, but "soon" with verizon could be by the end of 2008. :uhh:

I am paying $99/mo for 15/2 business FiOS with 1 static IP. I wonder what 15/15 with 1 static will be...
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:41:40 EDT

anon : As with the GPON that they supposedly rolled out here in Lewisville, I expect nothing to come of this for me for a long time. I'd like to be proven wrong by Verizon, but I think that NYC will be seeing the benefits of GPON long before I do.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:06:23 EDT

nycdave :

said by stu28bu :

The press release out today on 20/20 states right now in part of NY, NJ and CT and will SOON be in the other 13 states.

Read the press release again - it says 'similar symmetrical speeds' in other states....

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:03:15 EDT

stu28bu : The press release out today on 20/20 states right now in part of NY, NJ and CT and will SOON be in the other 13 states.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:27:49 EDT

majortom1029 : Has verizon always offered month to month packages. I went to check the site just now and theire was a month to month optio nwith the 20/20 package listed.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:21:53 EDT

anon : I live in Fort Wayne, IN and currently get 15/2 service with FiOS. I called today and they told me that 15/15 will be available in this area starting Nov. 19th for $64.99 or $59.99 if you have Verizon Phone Service.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:50:56 EDT

deblin :

said by KenAF :

Other posts in this thread suggest that 15/2 markets will get 15/15 and 20/5 markets will get 20/20.

I just hope the price is comparable to the $65/mo of NY and NJ.

Really? Interesting...so why did they bother doing the 20/5 profile at all? Just to test the downstream stress on the network? If those of us in 15/2 land are in line for 15/15, that'd be terrific! I am skeptical, though. And who knows when it'll happen. I'm not holding my breath.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:59:17 EDT

KenAF : Other posts in this thread suggest that 15/2 markets will get 15/15 and 20/5 markets will get 20/20.

I just hope the price is comparable to the $65/mo of NY and NJ.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:11:51 EDT

dmodert66 : Does ANYONE have any idea when we will see a speed increase in Southern California? I have seen 20/5 and now 20/20 become available elsewhere, but we have nothing...(well, 15/2, but not any new tiers)...I would gladly pay the premium to go to 20/20...

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:29:07 EDT

somebodeez :

said by GeekNJ :

Switch to a provider that doesn't discriminate and provides you the value you want.

I did! :D

I'm in MD and use to be with Comcast.
I can't tell you how happy I was to *finally* be able to switch to Fios last year and I am still a happy camper :D

Check out these topics about Comcast's latest stunts:

»AP Discovers Comcast Traffic Shaping
and
»Comcast Traffic Shaping Impacts Gnutella, Lotus Notes?

I sure hope Verizon doesn't have plans to follow suit.

Oh yeah - and another thing - Comcast's measly 2 GB/month newsgroup limit (unless they've changed it in the past year) and invisible BW limits.

To those who want Verizon to do what Comcast does, do you *really* ?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:06:07 EDT

UofMiamiGrad :

said by jammmin :

Verizon website has been updated to include the 20/20 option.

I punched in my parents #(Bronx, NY) and it came up 20/20 as being available for $65. 1st month free $55 for month 2 to 7

That was how I placed my order earlier today!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:47:40 EDT

jammmin : Verizon website has been updated to include the 20/20 option.

I punched in my parents #(Bronx, NY) and it came up 20/20 as being available for $65. 1st month free $55 for month 2 to 7

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:08:43 EDT

UofMiamiGrad :

said by JohnNWPVNJMH :

Congratulations! Let us know how you make out and most importantly how you make out with the speeds such as your average download & upload speed. Are you getting FiOS TV as well? I believe the "triple play" is discounted as we have one main phone line with freedom essentials, an auxiliary line with an unlimited regional toll plan, FiOS TV with the "Movie Package" and FiOS 20/20 all for about $150.00.

TV has not be approved in my area, it has been held up for 3 years. Cablevision & Verizon are getting played by my locel cable commission, since Cablevision's franchise has expired. I am happy with Directv though. So just internet & phone for me from Verizon. Will definitely post a follow up once the install is done.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:57:01 EDT

Midak : Ok, this is what I get so far, no tweaking.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:50:59 EDT

Midak : Well, I ordered it without a problem in Yonkers but until I get back on DC++ I will not really get to use it.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:17:22 EDT

JohnNWPVNJMH : Congratulations! Let us know how you make out and most importantly how you make out with the speeds such as your average download & upload speed. Are you getting FiOS TV as well? I believe the "triple play" is discounted as we have one main phone line with freedom essentials, an auxiliary line with an unlimited regional toll plan, FiOS TV with the "Movie Package" and FiOS 20/20 all for about $150.00.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:17:09 EDT

UofMiamiGrad : I just signed up, as FIOS finally became available in my condo building! $65/month for the 20/20 package alone & $74.99 with my freedom essentials plan w/ 2-yr agreement! So 10/30 btwn 8-12pm I am to get FIOS installed, can't wait.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:38:23 EDT

JohnNWPVNJMH : Good points. I manage servers remotely and many times need to restore large files and that is where the 20/20 attracted me. Don't get me wrong, 20/5 is still very fast! Uploading a large file at 5 is still lightening compared to ANYTHING available to the home for the price we pay for our FiOS.

I may run some server applications from home and the 20/20 will really be great if I do. The other thing to think about is the available bandwidth in which I could upload a few large files to multiple servers without any bottleneck at all on my end - so things like this is where the 20/20 will really be appreciated.

Good news, I replaced a cable that was connecting the router and hub which may have been acting up. I will experiment with the 20/20 for a while and make my final decision on whether I keep it or go to the 20/5. No matter, you are right, it is not a reflection on the service if I downgrade but if I will actually need it.

By no means am I upset with FiOS, instead I recommend it highly. FiOS has been the best thing since sliced bread as far as I am concerned, ha ha.

Thanks for all the input.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:02:46 EDT

guppy_fish : Just a thought,

The reason for having 20/20 is not so you can run speed tests throughout the country, it would be be for some actually use were YOUR computer would normally be the bottle neck is SENDING data ..

So if you had to upload lots of content for customers, like being a supper node for a torrent or running Video Conference to multi-locations, all good use of the 20/20.

If your not going to be SENDING hoards of data, than 20/5 would be better for you but it isn't any reflection of the service.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:26:19 EDT

JohnNWPVNJMH : The torrent worked for me, screen shot attached.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:57:09 EDT

JohnNWPVNJMH : No run around, they knew I was beyond the average user and we discussed things like optimizing my TCP connections, which I already did and they asked if I had a bit torrent server that may be consuming the bandwidth and that was a negative as well. Once the techs got past the basics it was moved up to the Network guys in which one called me today.

FiOS is just so fast that we can't expect to get the speed - the average server is 100mbps and there are plenty 10mbps servers out there as well. Until people start upgrading their servers to 1000mbps connections, we will not be able to get the most of our connections. This is why I may end up going back to the 20/5. My only issue would be getting my nice stable connection that I had prior to the 20/20 upgrade!

The number that I used to call Verizion was I believe the one located on their website for FiOS help.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:48:09 EDT

JohnNWPVNJMH : Here are my results from Visualware which prove that I have 20/20 indeed provisioned.

Download speed 20318 Kbps (socket test)
Upload speed 19103 Kbps (socket test)
Quality of service 99 %
Maximum pause 16 ms
Round trip time 18 ms

»msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/···=7433530

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A Verizon tech phoned me from VA and was very spoken and knowledgeable and told me that everything has checked out good to my ONT. What it comes down to is that I have been provisioned for 20/20 but in the real world getting a 20 upload to servers is not something that will occur often at all. I am now thinking about going back to the 20/5 service because FiOS is just too fast for the rest of the nations infrastructure!

All this said, I am still perplexed at the inconsistent download speeds since my switch to 20/20. The tech said nothing is sent to the ONT in regards to firmware that controls the speed as some suggested, so this leaves me really perplexed. I am going to replace a few CAT5 patch cords just to make sure something is not acting up on my end as the tech said the only possible problem could be with patch cords or the router.

Any ideas would be appreciated. I will let you all know what the final disposition is and if I just decided to go back to 20/5 as paying $15.00 a month more for something that will not be able to be used until the technology around the country catches up is a bit of a waste.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:29:30 EDT

Tzale :

said by Hooper :

In other news....

49% of New Jersey residents say they can't stand living there and want to move, while 7% of the state's residents are unsure about whether they dislike living there enough to move.

»www.nbc10.com/news/14359633/detail.html

I think that is BS.... Sure, if you ask someone in Newark or Camden if they'd rather live somewhere else, they'll probably say YES.... But the vast majority of this state is very nice.

-Tzale

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:31:31 EDT

Vamp : Someone try downloading this torrent then seeding it »linuxtracker.org/torrents-detail···?id=4752 and give a screenshot.

It's a legal torrent, you can also go directly to torrent.ubuntu.com but it doesn't seem to be working right now.

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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:58:47 EDT

bobd1950 : Took all of 10 min for the new speeeds to take effect!!

»msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/···=7431676

Download speed 20766 Kbps (socket test)
Upload speed 19674 Kbps (socket test)
Quality of service 99 %
Maximum pause 8 ms
Round trip time 19 ms
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:55:57 EDT

Midak : Anyone have their tripple play and get this? What is the additional charge?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:48:53 EDT

bobd1950 : Called the Fio # main 800 688-2880 and upgraded to
20/20 by 5pm 2night. Took a little but the young lady was very helpful.
Also put my VZwireless cel acct on same bill as FIOS home #..and now I can call /rcv between VZ home #'s for no minutes charge.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:11:51 EDT

bobd1950 : What # did u call ? Did u get a runaround?
..thx

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:43:10 EDT

JohnNWPVNJMH : No, the IP has stayed the same.

I have tried multiple computers and have the same weird results. I use Tune Up Utilities latest version in a few computers and had tweaked my connections for the best speed possible and used SG TCP Optimizer on another box. I checked all my NICs and they are working at full duplex, no problems. BTW, the boxes are all hard wired, these are not wireless results.

Here is the latest odd speed test:
»www.speedtest.net/result/194876214.png
Here is one from another PC on my network:
»www.speedtest.net/result/194915237.png

I will give Verizon a call today and see if their network techs had any luck or ideas. The most weird thing about this is that the 20/5 worked great. The fact that myspeed.Visualware gives me a good result of 20/20 and the rest do not makes this even more strange not to mention the bad speed results that occur when I upload & download from various servers.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:43:58 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : Do you have any tweaks to speed you up?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:01:38 EDT

Chris123NT : Wow that is weird. Question, did your IP change when they switched you to 20/20? I had an IP change a while back that screwed with my routing and speeds, ended up forcing an IP change again and it fixed it.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:12:20 EDT

JohnNWPVNJMH : I get very odd results. With the visualware site I get about 20/20, that is the only speedtest site that i get those results. The rest are giving me strange results, lower download speeds with higher upload speeds, for example. There is something wrong and I just can't place it, things were working fine prior to the 20/20 switch, this is for sure.

I can't get nearly the speeds that my account is provisioned for with any real usage, non-speed test sites. I have tested my connections on numerous servers where I have downloaded files and also uploaded files, bad results.

FiOS tech support reset my ONT, no luck. That said, Visualware shows me at 20/20 so I really don't think this is at my end. I am thinking that a Verizon router is acting up, but I am grasping for answers at this point.

Fact, prior to the 20/20 provisioning my 20/5 was working consistently and scored that way on many speedtest sites and was also consistent when I downloaded and uploaded to various servers.

Below is an example of the odd speeds I get:

Here is a result prior to my 20/20 upgrade ...
»www.speedtest.net/result/192285967.png

After my upgrade:
»www.speedtest.net/result/194703351.png

Alternative server:
»www.speedtest.net/result/194704862.png

Best ever, when the 20/20 was first turned on:
»www.speedtest.net/result/194622100.png

On this one you can see I get a slow download though the upload is right on target:

TCP/Web100 Network Diagnostic Tool v5.2.1e
click START to begin
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 3.80Mb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 20.71Mb/s
The slowest link in the end-to-end path is a 10 Mbps Ethernet subnet

click START to re-test

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 21 Oct 2007 04:15:53 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : Its probably the websites that do it but if you had a few connections going it will max out at about 20.7 both ways. Mine does :)

Try this site and see what you get because I always get max speeds both ways to here.

»myspeed.visualware.com/

My results
Download speed 20768 Kbps (socket test)
Upload speed 20542 Kbps (socket test)
Quality of service 99 %
Maximum pause 22 ms
Round trip time 15 ms

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:08:24 EDT

JohnNWPVNJMH :

said by eric87m :

Do you guys with triple play have to play an extra $15 a month for 20/20?

I just updated my triple play 20/5 package to 20/20 and the prize was indeed $15.00 more.

That said, I have been having problems with the 20/20. It has been inconsistent and I have yet to upload at speeds above 3 mbs! When I had the 20/5 I was peaking 5.5 mbs for uploads. I called this in and am awaiting the verdict. Various speed tests have been showing that the connection has gone sporadic. I have only had luck with one speed test that gave me about 20/19 though for practical purposes I have had no luck getting near that speed when downloading & uploading files. I tried to upload big files to various servers and as I stated before, I am lucky if I reach 1 - 3 mbs in upload speeds!

I am thinking there may be a router in the network that is not able to handle this. No matter, if it can't be fixed I will go back to 20/5 as at least that was consistent. Another thought, I am starting to think that most networks are just not capable of handling these speeds and if that is the case paying $15 a month extra for something I will not be able to use, practically, will not be worth it until the nations networks catch up.

Has anyone else experienced these issues?

I am keeping my fingers crossed that they get this resolved as I really want the 20/20!

Yes, all my TCP connections are optimized.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:56:34 EDT

deblin : What about 20/5 for those areas that have not been upgraded from 15/2? I'm really only interested in the upstream, for work. I'd happily go from 15/2 to 10/10, as this makes my work experience better. Not that 15/2 is anything to complain about, but in my particular case, the upstream is equally as important.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:54:54 EDT

anon : The 20/20 speed is currently only offered in NJ/NY/CT. It will be offered in other areas, but the schedule for that is still under discussion. There isn't any conspiracy about one area vs. another...think these are decisions based on what they see happening in the market as well as timing to get systems updated to support it.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:32:37 EDT

KA3SGM :

said by GeekNJ :

The guy on my street that works for Verizon pays less then me. They discriminate against all non-employees.

Those folks in NY that come over the border to NJ to buy gas for less should sue NY and the gas companies for discriminating against them since they have to pay more.

And I think we should sue the US because I pay way more in taxes then other people I work with. We both work 8 hours (yeah, I wish!) a day so how come I have to pay the government more for the same services the other person gets?
Or here's one just for you... How come you as a general or extra might be able to operate on different bands or freqs within a band then say a tech that got his license. You both paid $14 to the FCC but you have more privileges then the other person. Is that fair?

Well, I used to work for Bell Atlantic, so I am familiar with the employee discount, and it is only a matter of a few dollars per month.

UHHH, David, I passed a test to acquire my Advanced Class HAM License more than 20 years ago, and I only paid them $5 back then, in uhh 1987??.. I think it was...

The FCC does not dole out Amateur licenses for free, based on the State you live in, or how much you are willing to pay.

Morse Code is my second language, and I passed the 20 WPM test, but dropped the ball on the EXTRA theory test, although I missed it by only 2 questions at the time.

The FCC is an equal opportunity designator,
in the private radio sector.

Learn the rules, learn the technology, pass the FCC Exam, and you get the License you want...

IT HAS NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, OR WHAT YOU PAY....

Nothing to do with discrimination against non-employees, you only need to provide proficiency at a particular skill level.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:55:40 EDT

ztmike : Anyone have a picture to share of a torrent doing a upload at 20meg?

Just interested is all.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:45:36 EDT

grandpinaple : Well just because you have 20 upload doesn't mean it needs to be saturated 24/7. The way all these ISPs oversell, I'm sure it was meant to be used in bursts (although FIOS seems to have a very low oversell ratio, either that or the aggregation point is somewhere very high up). So the upload is good for sending movies, photos, and other home media stuff to your friends. It is good for off sight back ups. It certainly makes the 20 megabyte email attachments easier to deal with. The occasional non commercial counterstrike or other game server will certainly benefit, since with that kind of pipe 32 player servers are now a possibility. Even then you would only use no more than half your bandwidth. This is also good for torrent users, since now they can get their good ratio faster and not create massive slow downs 24/7 because they are taxing the routers with 100s of connections 24/7. This will be good for slingbox (at least until ISPs move to IPTV and offer a travel plan). This makes teleconferencing another easily doable thing at high quality.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:37:17 EDT

vz_ny : Port 80 for residential service is throttled down bus is open

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:47:39 EDT

deblin : Do you have any insight into areas other than Virginia?
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:42:25 EDT

mxmumtuna :

said by sense :

said by mxmumtuna :

NoVA will get 15/15 eventually, not 20/20.

and you know this how?

Dont have much Verizon inside info, but this happens to be one thing I do know. You can check back on my posts, I usually don't post such things.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:28:24 EDT

Hooper : In other news....

49% of New Jersey residents say they can't stand living there and want to move, while 7% of the state's residents are unsure about whether they dislike living there enough to move.

»www.nbc10.com/news/14359633/detail.html

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:53:27 EDT

Wraith1283 :

said by stephenju :

said by Vamp :

People are going to be running servers like crazy... have any idea what a 20megabit unmetered server cost? a lot.

Doesn't Verizon block incoming port 80? That will make running servers a bit difficult.

You can run servers for different things, like game servers. I really dont understand them releasing a a 20/20 line if in their ToS it states that you cannot run a server. However I do not believe that they enforce that rule to strictly. I do know that with a business account port 80 isnt blocked so you can run a web server.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:51:36 EDT

GeekNJ :

said by stephenju :

said by Vamp :

People are going to be running servers like crazy... have any idea what a 20megabit unmetered server cost? a lot.

Doesn't Verizon block incoming port 80? That will make running servers a bit difficult.

The only standard server that runs on 80 is a web server. Servers run on all different ports, and anyone can run a web server on a port other then 80. In addition, there are free services which will allow you to "publish" a URL that uses port 80 but it redirects to a non-standard port of your choosing.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:50:11 EDT

stephenju :

said by Vamp :

People are going to be running servers like crazy... have any idea what a 20megabit unmetered server cost? a lot.

Doesn't Verizon block incoming port 80? That will make running servers a bit difficult.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:09:04 EDT

Al3sinth : I hated Johnny...

back to my 6000/256k line

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:50:52 EDT

GeekNJ : The guy on my street that works for Verizon pays less then me. They discriminate against all non-employees.

Those folks in NY that come over the border to NJ to buy gas for less should sue NY and the gas companies for discriminating against them since they have to pay more.

And I think we should sue the US because I pay way more in taxes then other people I work with. We both work 8 hours (yeah, I wish!) a day so how come I have to pay the government more for the same services the other person gets?

Or here's one just for you... How come you as a general or extra might be able to operate on different bands or freqs within a band then say a tech that got his license. You both paid $14 to the FCC but you have more privileges then the other person. Is that fair?

Or are the all above not valid because it doesn't fit your idea of what is or isn't fair?

Did your parents ever tell you 'I don't care what Johnny down the street has.' when you whined about something your friend had that you didn't? Or did your parents, like you are doing here, call Johnny's parents and say that they should return whatever it was because they weren't willing to get you one too.

Just because someone else has something you don't, even if it is 'the same', doesn't mean you are getting ripped off.

I really think my 2 daughters can grasp this concept better then some folks here.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 03:09:27 EDT

sense :

said by mxmumtuna :

NoVA will get 15/15 eventually, not 20/20.

and you know this how?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 01:47:13 EDT

eric87m : Do you guys with triple play have to play an extra $15 a month for 20/20?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 01:22:11 EDT

vz_ny : Lol this is funny the fact is there is gig e being tested in pa now as well as Texas showing speeds of 100mbps and verizon is upgrading there pon cards to G pon.Speeds are changing for markets at all times.many people got there speed increase without any knowledge from 5/2 to 10/2 in Florida as well as when they did the same thing in mass from 5/2 to 10/2 15/2 20/5.There is no discrimination the fact is all speeds are going to be the same and is in the process of being changed.20/20 was just announced with the channel increase this week so most encore reps did not know.Residential class has port 80 throttled down and as far as torrents go the biggest issue is still the actiontec router.In upstate ny the 20/20 speeds are now available as well.Talk to the fsc they will let you know the facts.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:35:20 EDT

deblin : Yeah, I'm not holding my breath, either. I doubt we'll see 20/5 or 20/20 anytime soon.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:32:44 EDT

SGR :

said by KA3SGM :

I'll take the 20/20 speed tier IF THEY EVER OFFERED IT, but I doubt they have any plans to ever offer it here.

According to a rep I spoke with it should be available in Maryland sometime in the future. No specific time frame was given, but I can only assume the 20/20 package will inevitably make its way to all areas. Unfortunately this could be months or years from now. Perhaps the reason we never saw the 20/5 package is because Verizon knew it would soon be replaced by a 20/20 package? I can only hope thats the case but considering we got screwed over with the 20/5 package I won't be holding my breathe for it anytime soon. :hmm:

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:02:11 EDT

KA3SGM :

said by twentytwenty :

hey ka3sgm is 20 meg upstream enough bandwith for you to post messages all over complainin about fios? probably not ;-p

I don't need more than dial-up bandwidth to complain about Fios, but I say Verizon can go F' themselves for offering it's 'Premium and Discriminatory' speed tiers to certain markets, but not others.

If it was not a state by state argument, but in instead an Afro-American vs Caucasian, Jew vs Gentile, Gay vs Straight, Male vs Female issue, there would be no issue.

Verizon would have the ACLU setting fire to it's properties in protest to the discrimination.

I'll take the 20/20 speed tier IF THEY EVER OFFERED IT, but I doubt they have any plans to ever offer it here.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:47:51 EDT

Chris123NT :

said by ctsshack :

Definitely going to do the upgrade. I wonder if they are going to offer a static IP for a reasonable amount.

-Scott

Static IP's fall under Business accounts and AFAIK the 20/20 Tier is not offered on the business side yet, but if it does get offered it will probably be significantly more expensive.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:29:43 EDT

anon : hey ka3sgm is 20 meg upstream enough bandwith for you to post messages all over complainin about fios? probably not ;-p

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:30:59 EDT

ctsshack : Definitely going to do the upgrade. I wonder if they are going to offer a static IP for a reasonable amount.

-Scott

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:47:05 EDT

Chris123NT :

said by ztmike :

Can you upload on torrents with the 20/20 tier?

I haven't had any problems yet although I really haven't done any extensive torrent downloading yet.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:45:34 EDT

ztmike : Can you upload on torrents with the 20/20 tier?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:54:45 EDT

GeekNJ : I disagree with your assumptions.

Market demand/competition is driving the difference as I posted.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:14:35 EDT

NOCMan :

said by GeekNJ :

said by KA3SGM :

STFU, why do I pay the same for 15/2 that others pay for 20/5???

Now I could have 20/20 for only $15 bucks more???

Verizon OPENLY discriminates amongst it's customers in different states...

This has got to be the world's dumbest obsession.

How come you pay more or less for the exact same computer on Dell then probably half the other people that buy the exact same model?

How come you pay more or less gas for the exact same gas from the exact same gas company then someone going to the station down the road in the next town?

Verizon and every other company that charges differently for different services in different markets is doing that good old American tradition we love called competition. I guess if the government set the price like say how much bread cost in the old USSR, the price would be the same everywhere. Of course, we don't live under those rules.

Does your cable company provide the same service for the same cost throughout every market they provide service in? I know that for the most part, Cablevision in our area does, but what you get for that price is different between markets. As an example, I had to pay for the Golf Channel while others got it in their core package.

Switch to a provider that doesn't discriminate and provides you the value you want.

You're talking supply and demand. The price of bread and gas is different in different areas because of many factors.

Bandwidth costs are linear no matter where you put it in a network that large. So if it costs 20 dollars a month to serve a customer in Texas it would generally be the same in New York.

Your comparisons are Apples and Oranges.

So I'm sorry to inform you that the other guy and many others are right in complaining that others get more speed for the same price. This is not DSL where it was a distance factor and phone companies then were very open about that when it came to customers complaining about others getting higher speeds. Then it was accepted. Today we do not have those limitations due to the fiber medium being used. They are perfectly capable of offering those speeds and they should respect their customers and offer a product across the board that's priced fairly.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:30:36 EDT

mxmumtuna : NoVA will get 15/15 eventually, not 20/20.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:36:21 EDT

sense : Anyone in the NOVA region call in to inquire about the 20/20 tier? I have 30/5 but would love to drop it for 20/20.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:55:32 EDT

Chris123NT :

said by manny7437 :

i work for verizon and i am a fios tech in sarasota florida yes we have a new deal now 69 a month for video and fios internet 5/20

This thread is referring to a 20/20 speed offering, not the typical 20/5.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:30:25 EDT

anon : i work for verizon and i am a fios tech in sarasota florida yes we have a new deal now 69 a month for video and fios internet 5/20

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:59:42 EDT

index1489 : All these upgrades and to think Im still on PPPOE.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:10:06 EDT

Vamp :

said by mxmumtuna :

Huh? If you're suggesting a random resident of Tokyo could use 100mbps of trans pacific bandwidth, I'd say you're crazy... multiple connections or not. Service providers have to be throttling that.

They certainly get that kind of bandwidth locally, the issue is congested international links and just the latency and hops from the distance and all the switches it has to pass through. I downloaded from someone in Japan @ 500KB/s and even though my connection wasn't maxed, it also wasn't the JP connection either.

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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:19:17 EDT

N O Y B :

Would be interesting to see results of someone in Tokyo doing multiple simultaneous speed test from multiple USA speed test sites. Sort of like a bit torrent speed test if you will.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:05:57 EDT

anon :

That 100/100 in Tokyo wouldn't do you much good getting American content across the pacific

I already send data to people on three continents, so it would just change who gets updated files faster :P

I'm not as upset about this as some people, and it's not even like I expect Verizon to do anything about it. It just feels like a slap in the face when I see the gravytrain continually bringing higher bandwidth to the same area.

It's also irritating to see all these people acting like I (and others living in low-priority areas) should just "be happy" to have our comparatively pathetic speed.

I just want a -little- bit of the bandwidth love, to keep me from being sad :(

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:56:32 EDT

mxmumtuna : Huh? If you're suggesting a random resident of Tokyo could use 100mbps of trans pacific bandwidth, I'd say you're crazy... multiple connections or not. Service providers have to be throttling that.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:41:20 EDT

N O Y B :

said by mxmumtuna :

That 100/100 in Tokyo wouldn't do you much good getting American content across the pacific :)

That is quite the assumption.

For instance give this some thought.
How long would it take to download 100 movies simultaneously (parallel) vs. the same 100 movies linearly (serially one after another)?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:17:21 EDT

mxmumtuna :

said by TheTruth :

I hope that you guys can at least TRY to understand how frustrating it is to not even have this service offered for -any- price in an area like TX.

I'd be willing to pay quite a bit of money for it, and while I understand all of the annoying capitalist reasons behind the area-based discrimination, a part of me is just brimming over with anger at these facts: after waiting for 20/5 for two years, I have seen the NY/NJ market continuously get upgraded, to the point where a relatively cheap service gets TEN times the upstream that I do.

I guess the only option I'd have is to move to a big city, but I think I'd rather move to Tokyo and get 100/100, than NYC and get 20/20. At least that way I wouldn't be paying the company that caused me to have to move away from all my friends and family to get a decent upstream for my work and hobbies.

I'd gladly take a 15/15 service here, but I don't even see that any time soon.

That 100/100 in Tokyo wouldn't do you much good getting American content across the pacific :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:13:08 EDT

GeekNJ :

said by JohnA :

Seems to me, that all the people justifying higher speeds at the same price, just happen to be in the states that can get it.

It is no different then say a new customer getting a lower rate on the same service as a long standing customer. As a long standing Cablevision customer, I was often paying more then a new customer who gets a special 6 month or 12 month rate. How is that different? They are providing the same service to me and the other customer, though I paid them 1000's of dollars a year.

Its just business. Nothing obviously illegal or unethical to me for promotional pricing or market specific pricing and services.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:06:44 EDT

deblin :

said by JohnA :

Seems to me, that all the people justifying higher speeds at the same price, just happen to be in the states that can get it.

I'm not, I have 15/2 here. I understand the economics of the situation, so I really don't see any point in whining about it. It sucks, yes. But I understand why it's done and why they don't upgrade those of us in some areas.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:00:13 EDT

JohnA :
Seems to me, that all the people justifying higher speeds at the same price, just happen to be in the states that can get it.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:40:32 EDT

oleglelchuk : As long as the 20/20 service will be provided in a few areas, Verizon's bandwidth won't be saturated?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:31:04 EDT

deblin : You're missing the point. If they offered it, and enough people bought it in these areas where bandwidth is much more expensive, they'd quickly saturate the upstream bandwidth. So your 20/20 would be great for a little while, until enough other people who are willing to pay a bit more got it, and saturated the Verizon network past the CO/aggregation point.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:49:33 EDT

anon : I hope that you guys can at least TRY to understand how frustrating it is to not even have this service offered for -any- price in an area like TX.

I'd be willing to pay quite a bit of money for it, and while I understand all of the annoying capitalist reasons behind the area-based discrimination, a part of me is just brimming over with anger at these facts: after waiting for 20/5 for two years, I have seen the NY/NJ market continuously get upgraded, to the point where a relatively cheap service gets TEN times the upstream that I do.

I guess the only option I'd have is to move to a big city, but I think I'd rather move to Tokyo and get 100/100, than NYC and get 20/20. At least that way I wouldn't be paying the company that caused me to have to move away from all my friends and family to get a decent upstream for my work and hobbies.

I'd gladly take a 15/15 service here, but I don't even see that any time soon.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:28:52 EDT

KenAF :

said by sameshtdd :

Adding the additional back end bandwidth isn't free people. If VZ isn't going to see a minimum ROI on that additional bandwidth (i.e. more subs) that they will need to offer fasters speeds in a given market, it simply won't do it.

If it feels that the ROI in a given market meets its expectations, then they will most likely upgrade that market to higher speeds.

Its all about the return on investment.

Exactly.

People have this ridiculous notion that it costs Verizon the same to offer a given speed in a every market. That is absolutely not the case.

Bandwidth costs are just as variable as housing prices, with a cost per gigabyte costing 10x as much in some markets as others.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:12:45 EDT

deblin : Hey, I'd LOVE 20/20 or even 20/5. Don't get me wrong...But I think I'd rather have 15/2 and pay 1/5th the price for rent/mortgage as the NYC folks. :D
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:49:22 EDT

sameshtdd : Adding the additional back end bandwidth isn't free people. If VZ isn't going to see a minimum ROI on that additional bandwidth (i.e. more subs) that they will need to offer fasters speeds in a given market, it simply won't do it.

If it feels that the ROI in a given market meets its expectations, then they will most likely upgrade that market to higher speeds.

Its all about the return on investment.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:24:57 EDT

GeekNJ : KA's argument is about 15/2 vs 20/5 where he's claiming for the same cost he gets less vs looking at it as for the same cost, in more competitive markets, those folks get more.

We all had 15/2 for the same cost. It changed providing additional bandwidth in some markets. Tis the way of the free world.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:39:57 EDT

Dnepr : Service is driven by the market. If in one market, there is no noticible gain from offering higher speeds, they will not do it.

And no KA is not a representative of the market...

The market is different from state to state.

said by Hooper :

Geek,
This is a pretty lame counter argument. Ka's point is really that they don't even offer the service in other markets, not about cost.

Unlike the Dell and Gas examples, those companies at least offer the products in all markets albeit they may be different prices. 10/2, 20/5, and 20/20 are not even available options here. They do offer 30/5 here I believe, but I think it is close to $200 or so a month.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:21:58 EDT

Hooper : Geek,
This is a pretty lame counter argument. Ka's point is really that they don't even offer the service in other markets, not about cost.

Unlike the Dell and Gas examples, those companies at least offer the products in all markets albeit they may be different prices. 10/2, 20/5, and 20/20 are not even available options here. They do offer 30/5 here I believe, but I think it is close to $200 or so a month.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:13:45 EDT

GeekNJ :

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:24:04 EDT

Vamp : Don't worry you are not alone... This county of MD has been one of the first to announce FIOS years ago, still not available for me... They still provide only 15/2, while Comcast has upgraded this area to 16/1 like 2 years ago (this was also one of the first areas to get the new tier), there is competition!! Yet Verizon discriminates, there are other areas with less competition or the same exact competition (that hasn't even been competing nearly as long) and they have 20/5. Another area gets competitions and a few months later get new packages, then this area has competition for years, what's it going to be, 5+ years from now before this area will see this 20/20?

I realize Cable technology providing those speeds are a joke, but that is not the issue at hand.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:34:30 EDT

KA3SGM :

said by anon101 :

do you ever stop complaining, 1meg difference.

STFU, why do I pay the same for 15/2 that others pay for 20/5???

Now I could have 20/20 for only $15 bucks more???

Verizon OPENLY discriminates amongst it's customers in different states...

You want to be an 'anon' poster, why not step up to the plate and join BBR/DSLR.

OOOCH. that $10 lifetime membership must really hurt.

Justin is doing a good job here keeping BBR alive for free, BBR_InsUw does a great job moderating this forum, but if you want to be as control freak, at least you can sign up for a normal membership.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:34:50 EDT

anon : do you ever stop complaining, 1meg difference.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:39:05 EDT

KA3SGM :

said by deblin :

I wouldn't count on it. They're in no rush to give us the 20/5 plan, so why would they offer 20/20 or 15/15? :/

Damn, I really miss Bell Atlantic, which was HQ'd out of Philadelphia.

Sounds like they are just sucking up to their newer NYC HQ'd home market.

They won't even offer 20/5 here, even if we wanted to pay 10 times as much for it.

Comcast already bests them here with "16/2 Blast", so the no competition excuse goes out the window now..

Comcast has 16/2, why can't Verizon even tick up their download to 16mbps to match Comcast???

At least it would indicate that they even give a $#it. :mad:
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:33:33 EDT

deblin : I wouldn't count on it. They're in no rush to give us the 20/5 plan, so why would they offer 20/20 or 15/15? :/
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:26:23 EDT

SGR : I really hope Maryland gets 20/20 or even 15/15 eventually. Although I can always use more down, the 2Mbps up definitely needs to be increased first. If this does become the norm Verizon can kiss goodbye to the competition for awhile. :p

I wonder if we'll be seeing 50/50 or 30/30 anytime soon. :o

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:43:52 EDT

Chris123NT :

said by rhard49 :

Wonder which would come first the cap or the legal letters from the RIAA :)

This is Verizon, not OOL ;)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:41:46 EDT

rhard49 : Wonder which would come first the cap or the legal letters from the RIAA :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:05:20 EDT

Chris123NT :

said by grandpinaple :

DROOL.

Damnit, now wipe up the floor will ya? :P

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:58:33 EDT

grandpinaple : DROOL.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:34:31 EDT

noping : 20/20? Unfair. :uhh:

80 inbound is still blocked, right? (I don't see any reason for why it would be open)

I wonder if they'd cap you for "excessive bandwidth use" if you fired up BitTorrent, a newsreader and whatever else you can think of and saturated the connection for, say, a week?
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:30:16 EDT

HD_Ride : Not sure yet, I'll have to see how it works with the triple-play package. Good luck with it!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:30:15 EDT

rhard49 : I called again got a helpful guy who confirmed its availible but only for residential customers. I

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:24:33 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : Thanks :) Do you plan on getting it too ?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:22:33 EDT

HD_Ride :

said by BLUNTED 1 :

I got it

Nice!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:03:04 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : A few thousand easy !!!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:31:57 EDT

mxmumtuna :

said by KenAF :

Has anyone in VA called to ask about availability?

Or is this NY and NJ only?

15/15 will be coming to NoVA soon. Evidently it will eventually come to replace the 15/2 service.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:30:47 EDT

Vamp : People are going to be running servers like crazy... have any idea what a 20megabit unmetered server cost? a lot.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:21:17 EDT

KenAF : Has anyone in VA called to ask about availability?

Or is this NY and NJ only?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:51:16 EDT

Chris123NT : When I called to order the woman knew about it right away, but then again I DID call the encore department, which seem to be much more informed on things like this.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:46:40 EDT

jammmin : Such disorganization at Verizon.

You would think if the supervisors know that 20/20 was available, why wouldn't they tell their employees of such a packakage.

A simple memo,letter,notice would have done the trick. But of course, that would be too simple.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:43:35 EDT

Wraith1283 : Thanks!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:39:30 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : Sorry for double but my 1st one didn't come up right away and I found another number

516-890-1350

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:37:13 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : I called my business account number and they transfered me over to the correct people.

You can try it 516-890-0906

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:31:36 EDT

Wraith1283 : Hey Blunted what number did you call? Im having a hard time finding a number to call.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:28:20 EDT

BKuhl : I just called and checked. The 20/20 tier is available in Lodi, NJ.
I learned that my initial 1 year contract is to expire in December. At that time, my 20/5 service will increase (skyrocket?) from $39.95 to $64.95. This is because I received a promotional price when I signed up in December.
Oddly, the new 20/20 tier is $64.95 without a promotional price. I think this is pretty much a no-brainer for me at this point.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:19:50 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : Thanks matcarl I hate OOL and I have no regrets :)

I don't have a business package with this account and its $65 a month. They also told me its not available and I told them that it just came out and its not available on the websites yet so can you ask a supervisor. When he got back he said it was available so I got it. For the contract they just canceled my 35/10 and I had to get a 1 year on the 20/20 and thats it.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:55:01 EDT

UofMiamiGrad : I can't wait, I just spoke with Nassau County engineer, my buildings paperwork came across his desk to be forwarded off to provisioning! WOOHOO! He said wait 1.5 weeks & I should be able to order the service. I can't wait, plus this package will be even better.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:53:21 EDT

Wraith1283 : Hey Blunted how did you go about getting the 20/20 service? I live probably 10 minutes from you so I might be able to get it. How much does it cost a month for it? Do I need to extend my contract with them since im on the one year contract?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:44:52 EDT

rhard49 : Blunted do you have business service or residential. I just called the idiots and they say its not availible.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:43:24 EDT

matcarl : I bet you have no regrets about leaving Cablevision? I'm glad you're satisfied :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:40:30 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : I got it

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:54:55 EDT

eric87m : If this actually comes to fruition, we'll be 1/5 of the way to Japan and South Korea's speed!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:44:44 EDT

RolteC : 20/20, When will 50/20 or 50/30 or evel 50/50 come along? I cant wait anymore!!!%!$^&!$^

I must know why they stopped putting fios up in my neighborhood and left my block half way done.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:45:16 EDT

dmodert66 : Wow...20/20 would be insane at those prices...I'm just begging for 20/5 here in SoCal (Currently 15/2). I was told we would be upgraded to 20/5 "sometime this year", but I've seen NADA yet...Oh well, maybe they will just add the 20/20 tier and keep the 15/2 (Ok, I'm probably dreaming, but still...) Any insight from anyone when SoCal will get a speed upgrade?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:06:59 EDT

DjVaGGo :

said by Cogdis :

said by NY Tel :

Distance from the Central office is irrelevant with FiOS.
Having the fiber to your building does.... :)

I got it, I'll grab the fiber from that black box thingy and pull it thru my window. Then they'll HAVE to give me service! :)

Hahaha....that one made me laugh :D :D

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:16:08 EDT

Chris123NT : LOL, that's always an idea :P

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:04:57 EDT

Cogdis :

said by NY Tel :

Distance from the Central office is irrelevant with FiOS.
Having the fiber to your building does.... :)

I got it, I'll grab the fiber from that black box thingy and pull it thru my window. Then they'll HAVE to give me service! :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:57:31 EDT

NY Tel : Distance from the Central office is irrelevant with FiOS.
Having the fiber to your building does.... :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:31:20 EDT

Cogdis :

said by oleglelchuk :

Oh, they live around different COs.

Nope, same CO.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:17:49 EDT

oleglelchuk : Oh, they live around different COs.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:10:29 EDT

oleglelchuk : I don't understand. One person lives closer than another person to their CO, yet the one who lives closer can't order the 20/20 service?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:57:07 EDT

Chris123NT : I just had my 50/5 changed to this in the interest of saving some money, and wanting a higher upload speed :D.

All I can say is DAYM! :P

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:14:51 EDT

deblin :

said by JeepMatt :

Nice, they can't even give all of their customers the 20/5 tier, but they release this.

Totally classy.

I guess bandwidth is insanely cheap in NY with all the peers/transit in the area. Sucks to be us in DE, eh? :(
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:14:22 EDT

deblin : I thought you were on a business plan? So you got $65/mo for a business plan? How much more for a static IP?

Man, that makes my piddly 15/2 look pathetic. I am fine with 15 down (in fact, 10 would be fine). But I'd love more upstream...even if we got the 20/5 upgrade that a lot of other areas got, I'd be happy. 15/2 is great, but 10x the upload? *drool*
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:13:26 EDT

JeepMatt : Nice, they can't even give all of their customers the 20/5 tier, but they release this.

Totally classy.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:03:09 EDT

Cogdis : Blunted I hate you :(. I've been wired since may, and I'm a few hundred feet from the central office, but they won't sell me service. Meanwhile you're like a mile away.

I'd sign a 10 year contract if they offered me that 20/20 deal...

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:09:11 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : He works for Verizon thats how :)

I just ordered the 20/20 for $65 a month :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:33:53 EDT

sjs : Hrmm! 50/20? Nice. I had 50/5 service and just called to see if I could change it to 50/20, but they said that was not available. I was however able to switch to the 20/20 service. How did you get the 50/20, did you speak with a service rep or was it done via their online account management page?

PS I live in Bayside, NY.

Thanks!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:46:31 EDT

lithiumfox : When I called FIOS up on the 10th to speak about the current service price, I asked them if they had anything faster. They had mentioned to be 20/20 for 69.99. Which isnt bad at all.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:54:21 EDT

ricejuice : i know the feeling but once you get it, no complaints :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:39:21 EDT

RolteC : I can not believe Verizon.

I am soooo pissed of.

They ran the cables about 2 years ago where I live in Fresh Meadows.

About 8 months ago, they wired everything up except the difference for MY block and the others west/north of mine which are only a few.. is that we didn't get any of those "black boxes" installed on the lines.

The part that pisses me off so much you must be asking??

Its been 8 months since they ran this, and we were told the end of the year we would see everything go live for the area.

Here I am, sitting here punching in addresses from across the street on there website, and Fios is available!!!
When am I going to get Fios in Fresh Meadows, and Why did they randomly stop with my block, the one next to mine, and the one north of mine????!?!?!????

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:32:49 EDT

dvd536 :

said by oleglelchuk :

Wow, the 50/20 line?! How much do you pay for this?
Oh, God, and FIOS will only come to my area in December or January!

Just be thankful its coming at all. We people in qwestland have no hope of fios(unless verizon buys them)
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 09:41:21 EDT

oleglelchuk : But the 50/10 tier is kinda expensive. As I can see by reading this thread, the 20/20 tier is much cheaper.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 09:34:03 EDT

nycdave :

said by oleglelchuk :

Wow, the 50/20 line?! How much do you pay for this?
Oh, God, and FIOS will only come to my area in December or January!

There is no 50/20 line - there is a 50/10 tier in the NYC area. I assist with 'testing'...I posted the results to show the 20M upload results for the new 20/20 FiOS tier.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 09:31:29 EDT

oleglelchuk : Wow, the 50/20 line?! How much do you pay for this?
Oh, God, and FIOS will only come to my area in December or January!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 09:15:18 EDT

nycdave : Since no one believes that Verizon's Speedtest site is accurate, I am posting this test from the following WEB100 URL: »ciseweb100.cise-nsf.gov:7123/

This is on my home's 50/20 line:

WEB100 Enabled Statistics:
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 20.19Mb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 41.92Mb/s

------ Client System Details ------
OS data: Name = Windows XP, Architecture = x86, Version = 5.1
Java data: Vendor = Sun Microsystems Inc., Version = 1.5.0_06

------ Web100 Detailed Analysis ------
45 Mbps T3/DS3 link found.
Link set to Half Duplex mode
No network congestion discovered.
Good network cable(s) found
Alarm: Duplex mismatch condition found: Host set to HD and Switch set to FD

Web100 reports the Round trip time = 39.30 msec; the Packet size = 1460 Bytes; and
There were 128 packets retransmitted, 681 duplicate acks received, and 705 SACK blocks received
The connection was idle 0 seconds (0%) of the time
This connection is network limited 99.95% of the time.
Contact your local network administrator to report a network problem

Web100 reports TCP negotiated the optional Performance Settings to:
RFC 2018 Selective Acknowledgment: ON
RFC 896 Nagle Algorithm: ON
RFC 3168 Explicit Congestion Notification: OFF
RFC 1323 Time Stamping: OFF
RFC 1323 Window Scaling: ON
Packet size is preserved End-to-End
Server IP addresses are preserved End-to-End
Information: Network Address Translation (NAT) box is modifying the Client's IP address

From Verizon's site:

Speed Test Analysis Information

Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
SendBufferSize set to [130680]
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 18.08Mb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 47.76Mb/s

------ Client System Details ------
OS data: Name = Windows XP, Architecture = x86, Version = 5.1
Java data: Vendor = Sun Microsystems Inc., Version = 1.5.0_06

------ Web100 Detailed Analysis ------
Client Receive Window detected at 1045440 bytes.
45 Mbps T3/DS3 link found.
Link set to Half Duplex mode
Information: throughput is limited by other network traffic.
Good network cable(s) found
Normal duplex operation found.

Web100 reports the Round trip time = 98.19 msec; the Packet size = 1460 Bytes; and
There were 36 packets retransmitted, 1397 duplicate acks received, and 1417 SACK blocks received
The connection was idle 0 seconds (0%) of the time
This connection is sender limited 92.67% of the time.
This connection is network limited 6.39% of the time.

Web100 reports TCP negotiated the optional Performance Settings to:
RFC 2018 Selective Acknowledgment: ON
RFC 896 Nagle Algorithm: ON
RFC 3168 Explicit Congestion Notification: OFF
RFC 1323 Time Stamping: OFF
RFC 1323 Window Scaling: ON
Packet size is preserved End-to-End
Server IP addresses are preserved End-to-End
Information: Network Address Translation (NAT) box is modifying the Client's IP address

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:41:30 EDT

rody_44 : if true, (which i doubt). count me in as a subscriber coming from comcast.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 05:01:42 EDT

anon : Hmm sound too good to be true... Someone Post a Speed Test of this speed if you have the tier of 20/20 and maybe will believe you!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:29:22 EDT

anon :

said by Bytezboy :

That's insane, won't it saturate their network?

No, that's the beuty of fiber! :D

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:57:46 EDT

mrmike714 : I have been unable to get an answer from there customer suport or there web site about Fios avalibilty in my area

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:18:08 EDT

Bytezboy : That's insane, won't it saturate their network?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:22:54 EDT

oleglelchuk : Well, I wish they could offer the 50/50 speed, LOL.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:39:48 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : I would have done it today but the phone system said the ordering was closed till monday :(

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:19:25 EDT

coold8 : So is this true? Does anyone have this 20/20 yet? Let me know as I will upgrade today! Thanks.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:10:23 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : You can kill a cap with that because I have uploaded more than 50 gigs in 1 day and I have the 35/10 so you can do over 100 gigs a day if its at full speed with the 20/20.

I can't wait till monday !! :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:08:56 EDT

ricejuice : verizon so far has no bandwidth caps

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:45:41 EDT

dvd536 :

said by ricejuice :

i just got fios like 3 weeks ago. can i upgrade or do i have to wait out my 1 year contract? 20/20 sounds crazy i don't think i'll be able to handle that kind of speed i'm still blown away with 20/5 :)

Are there bandwidth caps on fios? with 20mbps upload one could blow that pretty fast.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:44:27 EDT

dvd536 :

said by deblin :

He's probably having problems with his TPS reports, too. :D

Of course. he didn't get the memo about the new cover sheets!
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:57:04 EDT

ricejuice : i just got fios like 3 weeks ago. can i upgrade or do i have to wait out my 1 year contract? 20/20 sounds crazy i don't think i'll be able to handle that kind of speed i'm still blown away with 20/5 :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:41:40 EDT

deblin : He's probably having problems with his TPS reports, too. :D
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:36:36 EDT

jammmin : Well, I called the order line using my parents number in NYC and the sales person told me that they have never heard of a 20/20 package.

Unless he never got the memo from management.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:13:36 EDT

deblin : So when is Verizon going to offer (but not show) the 20/5 package for those of us in Delaware, Mr. Anonymous Verizon guy :D
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:13:15 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : I will get this info on monday and post the price and details when I get it. :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:11:38 EDT

anon : 20/20 is not available online yet. If you call the office, you can get 20/20 now.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:34:53 EDT

deblin : ahh :) oh well...heh
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:33:55 EDT

nycdave :

said by deblin :

said by nycdave :

said by jammmin :

20/5 if offered in NY not 20/20.

I punched my parents number into the qualification page and it comes up as 20/5.

Where did he "hear" this from

I have been assisting with the testing of the speed tier, and it became available on 10/9. It might not show up in online ordering for a while, but you can order it in the NYC area.

How did you find out about the testing? I'd love to be a guinea pig for a faster speed tier :D

Read my profile info....

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:29:10 EDT

benc :

said by KrK :

What about the TOS? Can you host a gamesever or a website? Man, that would RULE.

I think that's what the "Business" connection is for. No server restrictions.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:33:37 EDT

anon : How much will this come out to with the double play in NYC with the phone and internet. Right now I have the 20/5 and fios phone which costs $78 with taxes.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 01:53:19 EDT

deblin :

said by KrK :

What about the TOS? Can you host a gamesever or a website? Man, that would RULE.

Verizon blocks port 80 on residential accounts, doesn't it? I guess you could run a web site on a different port, though. Probably still a violation of the TOS. :)
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:51:03 EDT

KrK : What about the TOS? Can you host a gamesever or a website? Man, that would RULE.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:50:55 EDT

Cogdis : This is a smart play for verizon, cable can't touch that kind of upload.
Any word on price?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:19:23 EDT

mrmike714 : I am in NJ did not hear that yet, but does not Verizon have a cap

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:13:32 EDT

SGR : I would gladly pay a $10-20 more for 20/20. Unfortunately we still don't even have 20mbps down yet. We're still at 15/2 in Maryland.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:42:31 EDT

deblin : Ahh ok. The higher the rate plan, the less of a percentage the dynamic -> static cost is I suppose. :)
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:40:11 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : I pay $184 a month with Dynamic IP and Static IP's is about $225 I think they told me.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:36:57 EDT

deblin : A bit more? Verizon only does static on business, don't they? The price difference between 15/2 residential and business (at lease here in Delaware) is huge. Like double (or more) the price.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:35:45 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : Mine is not static IP but I can get it for a bit more than I am paying now. I want to know how much the 20/20 is.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:47:27 EDT

deblin :

said by nycdave :

said by jammmin :

20/5 if offered in NY not 20/20.

I punched my parents number into the qualification page and it comes up as 20/5.

Where did he "hear" this from

I have been assisting with the testing of the speed tier, and it became available on 10/9. It might not show up in online ordering for a while, but you can order it in the NYC area.

How did you find out about the testing? I'd love to be a guinea pig for a faster speed tier :D
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:38:40 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : I'm going to order it ASAP if its not too much :)

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:16:36 EDT

UofMiamiGrad : Is this for residential or business?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:06:57 EDT

nycdave :

said by jammmin :

20/5 if offered in NY not 20/20.

I punched my parents number into the qualification page and it comes up as 20/5.

Where did he "hear" this from

I have been assisting with the testing of the speed tier, and it became available on 10/9. It might not show up in online ordering for a while, but you can order it in the NYC area.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:03:45 EDT

oleglelchuk : Wow, it's exciting! Where on the Verizon web page does it say that it offers 20/20 internet to its NY customers? Does it also offer the 50/50 internet?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:50:40 EDT

Vamp : If it's true then it's a smart move.. It's about time ISPs start offering symmetrical speeds... They should provide 5/5, 20/20 and 50/50.

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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:44:38 EDT

jammmin : 20/5 if offered in NY not 20/20.

I punched my parents number into the qualification page and it comes up as 20/5.

Where did he "hear" this from

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:38:46 EDT

splicingdan :

said by BLUNTED 1 :

Uhh tell me where to buy it because I am paying $184 for 35/10 and I would buy that in a second !!

Isn't the 35/10 tier the "Mass Market Package" with five static ip's?

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:47:02 EDT

BLUNTED 1 : Uhh tell me where to buy it because I am paying $184 for 35/10 and I would buy that in a second !!

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:51:25 EDT

obeythelaw : They're offering 20/20 speeds in the NY metro area? THere are so many places in NJ that can't get FIOS anything--TV or Internet. Not saying I'd want their TV, but can't fios internet at all in most places is odd.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:43:42 EDT

deblin : No kidding. $65/mo for 20/20 sounds way too good to be true. That'd be awesome for me since I telecommute to work. But I doubt Delaware will ever see the 20/5 profile, let alone the 20/20 profile. :( Atlantic broadband only offers 16/1, so Verizon has no need to upgrade this area.
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Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:39:41 EDT

KenAF : Bandwidth is cheap in NY. I would be surprised if this plan is available anywhere outside of NY and NJ (at anything close to that price).

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:55:37 EDT

nycdave :

said by psbny :

i heard today that there is a new speed available for fios. 20/20 for $65 a month. can anyone confirm this? and if so, what markets will this be available in?

Not sure on the price, but 20/20 is now available in the NY Metro area.

Re: Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:18:42 EDT

Dnepr : First time I've heard about something like this.

If true, sign me up!

Verizon to offer 20meg symetrical FiOS

Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:59:24 EDT

psbny : i heard today that there is a new speed available for fios. 20/20 for $65 a month. can anyone confirm this? and if so, what markets will this be available in?