Re: Best ISP in the US, but... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19260206 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:33:17 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:33:17 EDT Re: Best ISP in the US, but... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19264617 sporkme :
said by KenAF See Profile :

It's like buying gas in Saudia Arabia vs. the US.
Not really. VZ owns MCI/UUNet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19264617 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:00:25 EDT Re: Best ISP in the US, but... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19262020 AnnaS8 :
said by MarkyD See Profile :

said by Vamp See Profile :

On with the topic: It's about time symmetrical speeds are provided.. But how long before people abuse it with servers, and torrents maxing their upload all the time? I'm sure the FIOS headend can only support a few people consuming 20megabit.. If they are peering with OC12, it will only take 30 people to consume the entire thing. Even OC48 wont be able to handle such abuse from torrent seeders.


Maybe that's the reason they're not launching the higher tiers in all markets. Maybe it's offered based on the backbone capacity in an area?
Don't let them fool you with technical BS. Verizon and Cablevision are in a pissing match. I really wish Comcast would say something to piss Verizon off around here but I don't see it happening. Comcast is still stuck in their delusions of grandeur..."We are the BMW of ISPs" and doesn't really care about FIOS.
What sucks for me is that I am technically in the city I am fed by a CO that is out of the city limits so I haven't gotten FIOS yet. No word on when or if I ever will.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19262020 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:58:05 EDT Re: Best ISP in the US, but... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19261145 soothsayer15 : They did that for years and it didn't work. The truth is, all markets aren't the same. It's like saying a home-builder should build the same kind of houses everywhere and charge the same prices. THIS IS AMERICA!!! We have an economy where the market determines how much something is worth. In the Dallas-Fort Worth Area, Jack in the Box charges different prices for the things in different neighborhoods.

Telcos and cable companies have different rates and fees to pay in different cities, states, and counties. The infrastucture is also different. There aren't as many optical carriers coming out of Ohio as there are in Texas, so that's going to affect what you offer and how much you charge, if you care anything about Quality of Service that is.

So many people on BBR make it sound like it's so simple. I'm not sure what some of you do for a living, but it isn't telecommunications. Economics, type of network, number of customers, local regulations, and the regional value of the dollar all affect those decisions. If two neighborhoods, one in Texas the other in Pennsylvania, are the same size making the same average annual household income, the neighborhood in Texas will get wired first and it'll mostly likely be cheaper.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19261145 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:17:02 EDT Re: Best ISP in the US, but... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19260544 davoice :
said by jester121 See Profile :

Since he's a monarch, what the hell does he care about "looking good"? :)
Something to do w/ someone else feeling empowered by Allah to be the new king and being brave enough to kill him. Kings who don't keep some level of good will w/ their subjects tend to eventually end up dead. (Unless you're a tyrant and rule by fear... insert Bush/Cheney joke here.)

}Davoice]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19260544 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:35:05 EDT Re: Best ISP in the US, but... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19260206 jester121 :
said by davoice See Profile :

Prices are set by the government run monopoly to keep the king looking good and thus consumer fossil fuels are often sold without profit or at a loss. (Remember, SA has a monarch not a president.)
Since he's a monarch, what the hell does he care about "looking good"? :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19260206 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:29:16 EDT Re: Best ISP in the US, but... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19260009 davoice :
said by KenAF See Profile :

It's like buying gas in Saudi Arabia vs. the US.
Bad analogy. Refined gasoline is actually very expensive on a comparative wholesale basis in Saudi Arabia b/c much of the gasoline refinement capacity is outside of their area.

Prices are set by the government run monopoly to keep the king looking good and thus consumer fossil fuels are often sold without profit or at a loss. (Remember, SA has a monarch not a president.)

»www.huffingtonpost.com/raymond-j···677.html

The cheapest gas is actually in Venezuela. Price in last 2006 survey results was $0.12/gallon.

»money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/···ice.html

}Davoice]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19260009 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:54:42 EDT Re: Best ISP in the US, but... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19259249 MarkyD :
said by Vamp See Profile :

On with the topic: It's about time symmetrical speeds are provided.. But how long before people abuse it with servers, and torrents maxing their upload all the time? I'm sure the FIOS headend can only support a few people consuming 20megabit.. If they are peering with OC12, it will only take 30 people to consume the entire thing. Even OC48 wont be able to handle such abuse from torrent seeders.


Maybe that's the reason they're not launching the higher tiers in all markets. Maybe it's offered based on the backbone capacity in an area?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19259249 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:30:58 EDT Re: Best ISP in the US, but... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19259242 KenAF : Services cannot be provided equally because costs are not equal across regions. Bandwidth costs Verizon far less in the NYC area as compared to Maryland (and most other states).

It's like buying gas in Saudia Arabia vs. the US.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19259242 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:28:58 EDT Best ISP in the US, but... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19259166 Vamp : I think Verizon FIOS is the best ISP in the US right now, but they really need to stop with this market BS and provide their services equally.. They are really discriminating, they offer speeds based on competition and there has been 16megabit Comcast here in MD for over a year now (maybe 2 years?) and yet they are still 15/2, yet there are some areas that barely have competition or have just recently got competition and have had 20/5 for a long time now.. Sure it's their network but this type of discriminative activity should be illegal in any business... Also they need to stop being so spotty with their deployment, they started with this county around when FIOS was just announced, but it will probably be another year or so before it's actually available here.

On with the topic: It's about time symmetrical speeds are provided.. But how long before people abuse it with servers, and torrents maxing their upload all the time? I'm sure the FIOS headend can only support a few people consuming 20megabit.. If they are peering with OC12, it will only take 30 people to consume the entire thing. Even OC48 wont be able to handle such abuse from torrent seeders.


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