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| Re: No Wonder We're Not Tops But in this situation, the government is clearly and completely in the wrong. AT&T is trying to do the right thing by providing new services where they were not previously existing. The government wants to stop it. If the government would just get out of the way and let AT&T do business the way it wants to, everyone would be better off:
•Customers would have more choices for TV/Internet
•Governments would take more money from the investments AT&T has made
•Other companies might be encouraged to take the jump if AT&T is successful
Government is doing absolutely nothing useful by holding AT&T or any other company back.
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| Re: No Wonder We're Not Tops said by pnh102  :But in this situation, the government is clearly and completely in the wrong. And ATT isn't in any better a position. The blame can be spread equally here. ATT knew the video franchise rules, that have existed for years, and doesn't want to play by those rules.
It would be like a Quarterback trying to join the NFL and that he should be able to complete forward passes after crossing the line of scrimmage. The NFL would rightly tell that Quarterback to take a hike.
ATT and these local governments need to sit down and negotiate a deal that works for both of them.
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| Re: No Wonder We're Not Tops said by bmn :And ATT isn't in any better a position. Yes, they are. They are offering something that the public might actually be able to use or enjoy. The government simply offers more reasons for AT&T to not be able to offer these services. The former is clearly better than the latter. And if the people don't like what AT&T has to offer, they can make the choice to not buy these services. They don't need the government to make that choice for them.
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| Re: No Wonder We're Not Tops said by pnh102 :said by bmn :And ATT isn't in any better a position. Yes, they are. They are offering something that the public might actually be able to use or enjoy. That's a strawman, plain and simple. That has NOTHING to do with the fact that ATT is trying to shortcut their way around THE LAW.
And if the people don't like what AT&T has to offer, they can make the choice to not buy these services. They don't need the government to make that choice for them.
This is another strawman. The government is NOT deciding based on the technical merits of ATT's service offering, the quality of their offering or anything like that. The local and state governments are following the letter of the LAW.
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| Re: No Wonder We're Not Tops said by bmn :That's a strawman, plain and simple. That has NOTHING to do with the fact that ATT is trying to shortcut their way around THE LAW. And of course the net effect of the law is that there is now one less provider of advanced communications services. Does AT&T not have a right to lobby for a more favorable regulatory environment?
said by bmn :This is another strawman. The government is NOT deciding based on the technical merits of ATT's service offering, the quality of their offering or anything like that. I made no such claim.
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| Re: No Wonder We're Not Tops said by pnh102 :And of course the net effect of the law is that there is now one less provider of advanced communications services. Does AT&T not have a right to lobby for a more favorable regulatory environment? Only if those regulations (a) are applied across the board to them, cable providers and any new entrants into the field and (b) maintain proper oversight and consumer protections.
ATT and Verizon are both asking to be treated special. They want to use the regulatory system to give them a competitive advantage over the cable companies, without those changes going to the cable companies.
They are gaming the system, practicing regulatory capitalism instead of trying to beat the cable companies at their game by trying to offer a better product, service, etc.
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| Re: No Wonder We're Not Tops said by bmn :ATT and Verizon are both asking to be treated special. They want to use the regulatory system to give them a competitive advantage over the cable companies, without those changes going to the cable companies. Again... why is it wrong for any company to lobby for such things? Cable companies can do the same if they want.
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| Re: No Wonder We're Not Tops said by pnh102 :Again... why is it wrong for any company to lobby for such things? Cable companies can do the same if they want. If you don't have a problem with laws giving special treatment to people or organizations, then this conversation isn't going to go anywhere.
The law is suppose to blind and apply to everyone equally.
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| Re: No Wonder We're Not Tops said by bmn :If you don't have a problem with laws giving special treatment to people or organizations, then this conversation isn't going to go anywhere. LOL. Now you're putting up a straw man argument. I never said that the law should give special exemptions to one party over another with regards to enforcement. I simply stated that there is nothing wrong with anyone lobbying to change the law to obtain some sort of benefit.
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| Re: No Wonder We're Not Tops said by pnh102 :LOL. Now you're putting up a straw man argument. I never said that the law should give special exemptions to one party over another with regards to enforcement. Sure about that...
I state that ATT and Verizon want to be treated special. You said "why is it wrong for any company to lobby for such things?"
In other words, an endorsement that companies should get special treatment under the law if they ask for it.
I simply stated that there is nothing wrong with anyone lobbying to change the law to obtain some sort of benefit. That certainly is not what it appeared based on your response...
Yes, there is nothing wrong with people lobbying for changes in the law (although the current method that prevails is very wrong - money, trips, free stuff, etc.)... There is a problem when the law being lobbied for is unequal in its application - which is the case with the Telco/CATV franchise debate.
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| Re: No Wonder We're Not Tops LMAO...You are arguing with someone who fantasizes about Star Trek!!! I am getting a picture of the guy in MIB, sitting there watching a video about the 'Light of Zartha' or whatever the hell the name was....and "living it".
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| said by pnh102 :said by bmn :ATT and Verizon are both asking to be treated special. They want to use the regulatory system to give them a competitive advantage over the cable companies, without those changes going to the cable companies. Again... why is it wrong for any company to lobby for such things? Cable companies can do the same if they want. Again, we are talking about lawsuits, not lobbying.
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| said by pnh102 :Does AT&T not have a right to lobby for a more favorable regulatory environment? There is a significant difference between lobbying and suing.
Guess which one AT&T has been using in CT?
You actually make a great argument for barring AT&T's lawsuit.
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| Re: No Wonder We're Not Tops said by marigolds :Guess which one AT&T has been using in CT? Perhaps if the state got out of the way of progress then lawsuits would not be needed.
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| said by pnh102 :said by bmn :And ATT isn't in any better a position. Yes, they are. They are offering something that the public might actually be able to use or enjoy. The government simply offers more reasons for AT&T to not be able to offer these services. The former is clearly better than the latter. And if the people don't like what AT&T has to offer, they can make the choice to not buy these services. They don't need the government to make that choice for them. The public might actually enjoy it if AT&T offered tax-free leaded gasoline discounted by using cheaper singled walled underground tanks and vehicles with no catalytic converters, but AT&T can't do that either.
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