Re: Best Dual Wan Router in Networking

Re: Best Dual Wan Router in Networking http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19268811 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:14:25 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:14:25 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19804530 schaps : The Peplink is awesome! The drop-in mode installation means you don't have to change any settings on the firewall. I added the two Comcast business class cable lines to our existing T1, and it's doing load sharing based on ratios I assign, and it's amazingly fast.

The biggest problem I had was figuring out how to configure the SMC8014 cable modems/routers that Comcast uses for Business Class. They are actually router/switches set to distribute DHCP, but it turns out that if you assign the ports of the Peplink to the Comcast-assigned static IP, the SMC goes into regular bridge mode automagically.

I'm still getting speeds almost 20 Mb/s down 2.5 Mb/s up during the school day on each one, and if they conk out, we still have that old reliable expensive T1 that the router will failover to. At least until that T1 contract is up, that is. Then I'll probably get a DSL line. The Comcast modems have had no outages in the two weeks since they were installed.

You naysayers can spout "no SLA" all you want. The fact is, many businesses and schools are not as dependent on the internet as others are. The $40k our school will save over the next three years (vs. the 3 T1s our provider proposed and the principal signed off on before I found this other direction) will be put to good use in other areas of the school. And this is just freaking fast downloads. Plus, the ping times to the DNS servers are even faster through the cable modems than our T1.

That's my report. Your mileage may vary.
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»zyxel.com/web/product_family_det···79CE2C44]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19710206 Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:00:46 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19708912 schaps :

said by Huligan :

I don't need to have 1 pipe.
I need to combine 2 Modems to be on the same network.
For this I need a 2 Wan port Router. the way I'm going to set it up will be Person A will be on Modem 1 and Person B will be on Modem 2 for load balancing.
Currently we have 2 separate networks and resources can't be shared from one to another.
I think I'm going with XinCom XC-DPG502

You bowed out of this discussion rather early and never seemed to get a good answer to your question. I wonder if you got the XinCom and how it works for you. If I understand your situation, I don't know why you'd need a dual WAN router, though. It appears you just wanted a way to combine networks and have users manually load-balanced, that is, manually assigned different gateway addresses to achieve load balance. For that, you don't need a router, the Comcast business cable modems can be assigned IPs on your network's subnet, and that would work fine. However, it is advisable to get a multi-wan router so that you can then have one pipe to run through a firewall to separate your internal network from the wild wild web.

In any case, this thread contributed to my own evaluation process for upgrading my school's internet (currently have 2 T1s, will be dropping one), and I just added two Comcast business cable modems and am waiting for my new Peplink Balance 380 enterprise multi-wan load-balancing router (»www.peplink.com/products/balance-380 ). Lots of research contributed to that decision, and though that particular router is $2000, my boss, the president and principal of the school would have signed off on a $6,000 Cisco router and a three year commitment to three new T1s that our ISP proposed. I didn't think that 4.5 Mb/s was going to address the bandwidth needs of the YouTube generation, so I recommended a different direction.
So we're keeping one T1 as our lifeline and they just installed the business class Comcast modems. We're paying for 8 Mb/s download and 1 Mb/s upload, but multiple tests over multiple days on speedtest.net showed *20* to *22* Mb/s download on each one every time. In our local area, most cable modems are residential, so they don't have much activity during the day, when we need the bandwidth.
A three year comparison of going the Cisco with multiple T1 route vs. going this way and replacing the T1 with DSL modem when the T1 contract runs out in 19 months, the cost savings was $40,000 over three years. I'd say that's worth the risk...
So I'll report back when I get the Peplink installed. Huligan, if you're still around, let us know how the XinCom worked out for you.
[edited- link to Peplink Balance 380 fixed]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19708912 Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:05:39 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19689389 anon : Just get a Soekris 5501, 256MB CF, and install PFSense. Your done. Probably half the cost and twice the performance of any other "commercial" grade product out there and it just works.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19689389 Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:51:27 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19619060 Freezone :

said by twizlar

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Been using pfsense for this for awhile, works awesome. Throughput isn't an issue either, with three gigabit network cards.

I am sure it is more a factor of the cpu. Which on most fairly modern comps is much faster than most low end routers. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19619060 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:46:50 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19602673 twizlar : Been using pfsense for this for awhile, works awesome. Throughput isn't an issue either, with three gigabit network cards.
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said by Anav

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I have heard of 30Fios, is 60 on the horizon??

2x 30 mbit would yeild 60 and not too many lowend routers could handle that. in the next couple of years it is not unreasonable to believe that 15-30 mbit connections will be much more common and that many of these dualwan routers will make for very nice paper wieghts and door stops. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19601540 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:50:21 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19595208 insomniac84 :

said by Bradenton

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I've purchased a new HotBrick LB-2 and a HotBrick VPN1400/2 from Gabby in Canada and the most recent firmware works very, very well. It seems that most or all of the remaining bugs have been worked out. Load-balancing (at least at the session level) works well, the dynamic DNS now works well, and the IPSec VPN works like a charm. Gabby was very helpful in the original set up. See »www.redundantinternet.com

I am using the most recent firmware on an LB-2. It finally fixed the ARP problems, but now dhcp is broken. It works on some computers, but not others. And even if you initially get an address to work via DHCP, once the address expires and your computer tries to get another one it will fail. It has been over 2 years and this hotbrick still sucks. It's sad when a company releases an update to fix one problem and creates another.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19595208 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:21:21 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19587658 stevevogelnu : Thanks Guys! I see a fan club is developing.

We're working on building up DrayTek telephone tech support and a dealer network in the USA. We're even planning an affiliate marketing program. Go to »www.draytek.us for more details.

And yes, DrayTek has a large variety of products at various performance levels, including 10/100/1000 Mbit performance. The price is generally about half or even a quarter of the price of the competition.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19587658 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:56:55 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19579475 pende_tim : I am in the same boat as broccoli, the fastest connection offered ( at a consumer level price ) is from PTD cable. They max at 10 Mbit/sec. DSL is 3.0 Mbit from Verizon. While Verizon has a statewide franchise for FIOS, it is doubtful we will see it in Warren county in my lifetime. So the 30Mbit speed, even if it is a combined 2 way number is not a limitation for me.

My son (who is the chief network engineer for a telco in upper NY state -- proud father speaking here :) ) was amazed at what this thing did. He did a quick pricing of equivalent Cisco cards - power supply, rack, WAN /LAN cards, VoIP card, wireless card and processor- to match all the features and it came in well over $5,000 even at the Telco's discount. Then one would have to spend a couple of hours stitching it all together and configuring it with MPLS.
While the two are different class devices, the value for money is excellent.

I am not meaning to sound like a fan-boy here, just letting people know what is available and relating my experience with a relatively unknown piece of gear.

Tim
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said by Freezone

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I looked at the router you linked to and i do not see mention of through-put. In a world with 60 mbs fios this will become more and more important. At $250 I am willing to bet it is not able to handle a total throughput of over 20 mbs. So someone with fios or connections with high speeds will actually slow down. To that i say "Yuck."

The 2910 series maxes out at around 30 Mbit/s.

The new 2930 series can supposedly handle up to 90 MBit/s.

Through-put is one huge advantage of software routers.

Yes, but...

Before I got my 2910, I was looking at SmoothWall, after Linksys, D-Link, Buffalo, Netgear, and US Robotics products repeatedly disappointed me. I was hoping to turn an old laptop into a router, but what I discovered was it was a pain to set up, even if you have the time and energy to work on it. Hardware compatibility was poor (no native USB support, but I wanted to use USB NICs and a CardBus USB card). And no VPN functionality in the free version (for that you need to pay for licenses), and tuning it to work well is no easy task (not to mention it's easy to configure it incorrectly and compromise your network's security).

Since my telco has no plans for fiber, it would probably be another decade before my net connection outruns my router's. The router's speed is the least of my concerns at this time (well, as long as it's faster than the POS FVS114).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19579094 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:46:36 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19574179 Anav : I have heard of 30Fios, is 60 on the horizon??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19574179 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:22:20 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19574013 Freezone : I looked at the router you linked to and i do not see mention of through-put. In a world with 60 mbs fios this will become more and more important. At $250 I am willing to bet it is not able to handle a total throughput of over 20 mbs. So someone with fios or connections with high speeds will actually slow down. To that i say "Yuck."

Through-put is one huge advantage of software routers. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19574013 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:51:02 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19568096 pende_tim : I recently purchased a Dual WAN Draytek Vigor 2910VG router and have to say it is a very impressive unit. So far it has been stable and works as advertised.
It cost me about $250 from VoIP supply and was in stock. Link to spec sheet: »www.draytek.com/product/Dual_Wan···10VG.php

Setup went well but it is not for the N00B. The user manual could stand some work and the English is a little rough. It took a few hours to get all the features working.

The unit does dual wan with autoload balance based on connection speeds and % used or a use on demand or it can be set to assign specific lan IP addresses to specific WAN ports.

A really nice feature is that there is a USB port that can support a printer or a 3G USB dongle. In the 3 G mode the USB takes the place of WAN2 and WAN2 becomes a LAN1 port. (Draytek is working on software that will enable the USB port to support a USB HDD for attached storage.)

Port forwarding, DMZ etc all work well.

QoS can be set up based on source IP, Destination IP, destination Port etc. and rules can be applied that reserve a percentage of available bandwidth to user defined rules.

DynDns works and will reassign the DNS registration if the preferred WAN port goes down.

VPN works flawlessly. It supports IPsec and and many other methods.

There is a configurable Firewall .

Wireless logins can be set with radius, wep or wpa and bandwidth can be set by connection... if you want to set up a pay access point this has some possibilities.

Bandwidth limits can be set by time of day and through a bunch of rules ( IP addresses, Ports, etc ) It support

The only weakness I have found is in the VoIP section. The VoIP works well ( I had it set up to work on ViaTAlk ) with the exception of fail over. If you tell it to use WAN2 for VoIP, It will not fail over to WAN1. There is an Auto setting.

Due to the sometimes cryptic documentation I have had to use E-mail support to get a few questions answered. The responses have been very good, but the support is in the Far East, so there is a 12-14 hour time shift, but if I sent a question Monday, the response was in my in box Tuesday AM.

If you look on line at the draytek.com website and the support pages, there is a link to the users guide. This will give you a better idea of the router's capabilities.
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said by jinjimbob

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tried to contact tech support 3 times.

How did you try and contact tech support? By phone or email? Best way is by phone and if you're in North America the correct phone number for tech support is
800-255-4101 x510
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Its a shame when a $50 Linksys router can run for months with PPPoE, but a $500+ router can not run for 12 hours. I expected more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19566034 Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:01:24 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19555061 Freezone :

said by daveinpoway

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Using a PC as a router can involve issues such as size, power consumption and cooling fan noise.

I agree that is why i chose to do a vmware install. It is not like many of use are using the full power of our quad and dual core machines anyway.

Also with a vmware install the machine can be used for other things besides just running it as a router.

Pfsense is not for everyone. There is a learning curve that a novice may find hard to overcome. It is no where near as simple as many of the dual wan router solutions out there. But it is worth a try before you drop $500+ for a good multiwan router.

One huge issue that you will need to watch when buying a router is through-put. The lower end routers will not be able to handle a fios connection with a highspeed cable combined. So you may buy a router that works for you today only to find that it has no future. A pfsense setup should be able to handle the stress of the higher connections that the future may bring. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19555061 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:02:01 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19543149 daveinpoway : Using a PC as a router can involve issues such as size, power consumption and cooling fan noise.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19543149 Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:51:35 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19538884 anon : The guy asked for the best dual-wan router not your opinions on his setup... Don't waste your money on fancy pos dual-wan routers. Find a unused computer with 4 nics and away you go. »www.pfsense.com I run 4 wan on this solution and it never failed me. It is constantly updated, free and great support forum. Pfsense in itself is probably more advanced than any other router anyway. Did I told you it was FREE?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19538884 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:22:41 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517015 Bradenton : I've purchased a new HotBrick LB-2 and a HotBrick VPN1400/2 from Gabby in Canada and the most recent firmware works very, very well. It seems that most or all of the remaining bugs have been worked out. Load-balancing (at least at the session level) works well, the dynamic DNS now works well, and the IPSec VPN works like a charm. Gabby was very helpful in the original set up. See »www.redundantinternet.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517015 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:10:05 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19423854 jinjimbob : Looks like the latest firmware fixed the same subnet problem for both WAN isps.

This is a very good router! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19423854 Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:39:41 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19419682 Anav : There is really only one firmware stream to use and that is the ZyWALL UTM firmare, which is the only one that is kept current. Ignore the older ones.

Phone support is usually better yes!

As far as "sticky", use Policy routes to delineate specific users or services or combo that you want to ensure uses the wan port of your choosing!

There is lots more you can do with "graphing" with other utilities!.
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LlamaWorks Equipment]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19419682 Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:08:24 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19418893 jinjimbob : Just got the Zyxel Zywall 35. I'm using it with two Qwest DSL lines at the moment, two Actiontec GT701R modems, both at 1.5Mbps/896Kbps speeds. Using the DSL modems in the transparent bridged mode, so the Zywall is doing the PPPoE.

I will be changing one of the Qwest lines to another ISP soon for failover.

Regular web pages and ftp works very well, when having the load balance in round robin weighted mode, haven't fully understood the modes yet. To test the speed, I downloaded two large files from different sites, almost get 3Mbps. Bit torrent works very well both up and down.

I have to set some rules so secure banking and vpn client software works.

The only downfalls of this router are that there are not 'sticky' port settings like in the Xincom, have to force a tcp/ip port connection onto a specific WAN port, although it will failover to the other WAN port if needed.

Having the sticky/persistent secure ports (or any ports) would make this router perfect.

In the manual it states that each of the two ISPs must be on a different subnet, I can't verify this, as both my qwest isps are already on different nets. It is easy to get by this though with dsl, by setting one of the modems to do the PPPoE and by port forwarding, a hassle but it will work.

The graphing capabilities or 'ok', just not as nice the graphs in the WRT54G tomato firmware.

I have contacted Zyxel support via their website and sent a few questions, have yet to even get any response. Maybe the phone is all they respond to. I would expect more from them.
The firmware listed on the website is very out of date for the Zywall 35, I think the Zywall 35 UTM uses the same firmware, but I'm not sure, their website is messed up in the download area.

Hope this helps someone, as this Dual WAN router is very good, and it looks like the other cheaper ones out there aren't as reliable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19418893 Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:22:30 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19404521 anon : I suggest you Netwalker Agile F-500
I like it because of its high performance but cheaper price. It also has other models with VPN and inbound load balance feature.

»www.netwalker.com.tw/product_lis···view.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19404521 Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:33:26 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19379649 Freezone : Not as elegant a solution as true load balancing which will allow for one machine to use all available bandwidth. Also failover is easy to add to that setup by simply adding the second gateways with a higher metric. To get around dns issues just use opendns.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19379649 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 01:26:14 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19378602 pende_tim : Did fail-back also work well?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19378602 Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:25:22 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19377294 insomniac84 : I was on the tail end of an internship, so I was only able to play with it for a week. In my limited testing, I found no issues. Load balancing and fail-over seemed to work well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19377294 Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:26:47 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19375858 margioa : My recommendation for you is to use the Zywall 35 for Duo WAN administration(load balancing).

»www.zywall.com/web/product_famil···725A2764

Regards,
Margio]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19375858 Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:08:24 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19375237 pende_tim : If all you want is load balancing and do not care about fail over, then you do not need a dual wan router.

Lets say you want 8 machines on Connection A and 7 machines on connection B.

Assume that Connection A has a LAN address of 192.168.1.1 and connection B has a LAN of 192.168.1.2.

Go to TCP/IP properties on the client machines and set up PC 1-8 to use 192.168.1.1 as it's gateway and PC 9-15 to use 192.168.1.2 as it's gateway.

Since you are manually setting TCP/IP properties, you will also have to manually assign each PC a static TCP/IP address in the 192.168.1.3->192.168.1.18 range and well as a DNS server. (Most modems let you specify the modem as the DNS server) If this function works on your modems you could use 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2 as primary and secondary DNS servers. Other wise manually assign the DNS your ISP provides or use something like 4.2.2.X

If you are running a server on the network, you can assign all this using the DHCP service and assigning configurations by MAC address.
This will not give you fail over or true load balancing but it does work to balance the load between 2 connections and will allow you to share files between PCs.
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Has anyone used one of these and have any up close and personal stories?

Tim
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Definitely do not go with a hotbrick(My fraternity used one and after 3 years it still doesn't handle arp correctly), and from what I read xincom had next to no customer support. Other than the draytek I think the d-link and the linksys were the other two I felt would have been decent and also had acceptable customer support, but the linksys was hit or miss on hardware problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19350179 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:05:48 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19333101 Leathal : You are missing the point of what Anav is getting across, what happens if Comcast blow a router that connects them to their upstream and their redundant system can't handle the extra load are you really safe? It's always best practice when you are going for a dual WAN setup no matter what it's for to use two different ISP's that way if one has technically problems your second one can pickup the load.

Putting eggs all in one basket because you haven't had any problems in the past 2 years is simply mental! :)

As for dual WAN I would suggest the Xincom, Linksys and Dlink, and I am not sure about the Edimax do not lock the sessions into their WAN ports when you are network load balancing which can be a serious issue when it comes to accessing sites that use HTTPS (SSL Certs) as almost all of the them don't allow you two come in two separate IP addresses.

Leathal ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19333101 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 07:45:21 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19326666 SterlingJ85 : I have had HotBrick's in the past, they don't work that great.

I moved over the PePLink devices, now on an enterprise Balance model. Have had great success, and the device is AWESOME. Perfect stability, and fails-over and balances load very well.

More expensive, but well worth it!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19326666 Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:38:53 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19315559 Nightfall :

said by Mark

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I would use three NICs in a Linux box and a 16 port gigE switch.

If you know Linux, thats a great solution. I know linux pretty well, and I opted for a dual wan router for a number of reasons. Main one is ease of use. Then you have the noise factor and power consumption to consider. I know these pale in comparison to the price of Linux, but to me, they do count. You can get the job done right with both though, thats for sure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19315559 Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:03:30 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19315234 Mark : I would use three NICs in a Linux box and a 16 port gigE switch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19315234 Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:33:51 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19314123 dervari : If you really want a more commercial oriented solution then SOHO/Consumer, take a look at some of the Radware boxes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19314123 Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:55:26 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19275592 Nightfall :

said by fox7

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A dual WAN Router is NOT going to add those 2 pipes into 1 pipe. It is for fail over. If one connection goes down the other one will automatically pick up the job.

fox7

I have a dual wan router and it is great for load balancing the connections. If one connection is throttled, it routes the other downloads to the other connection. Same goes for upload bandwidth.

I have a RV082 which works great. I would highly recommend that to be honest. However, any router you buy at that price is going to be pretty good as long as it is a brand name.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19275592 Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:58:21 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19275319 ple : check out www.peplink.com

supports failover and combining bandwidth/load balancing]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19275319 Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:09:41 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19272143 daveinpoway : Have you considered the Netgear FVX538? In the past, this model didn't have the best reputation, due to less-than-perfect firmware, but the current firmware seems to be pretty good. Like the Zywall 35, this costs around $500, but cheap routers just don't do a good job (I learned that earlier this year, when I tried several models before deciding to buy the 538). You also get a lifetime guaranty.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19272143 Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:29:17 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19270799 Freezone : Dual wan routers will add total bandwidth to your organization.

You do not need a dual wan router in order to combine the 2 networks. BUt if you want dhcp then it is suggested.

You get what you pay for in dual wan router land. The cheap ones suck.

If you wee willing to give up dhcp then all you would have to do is add the gateways to each cable modem to all of you pcs. Windows will handle failover. This is provided that the cable modem will allow you to change its ip.

Also if you are looking for a software solution to try while you look for a hardware router, let me suggest pfsense running in a vmware session.

Even though your cable is rarely down there are times when the backbone goes down and sites get caught in a black hole and become unreachable. 2 providers helps insure against this. Even maintenance can be nerve racking. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19270799 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:42:15 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19270703 luma : I have a Netgear FVS124G that I use for load balancing.

When I download let's say 4 files, 2 will go down one model while the other 2 goes down the other modem.

It is a hunk of junk!

The WAN is limited to 11mbps combined (Currently I have 2x 8megabit connections so I am wasting 5 mbps)

I am on the third replacement, First one kept on dropping WAN 2, second one and third one had LAN ports just die (yes I tested)

so stay away from the Netgear FVS124G

my next one will be the Zywall 35 I think it is, has dual wan and a lot more power (but is 500bucks +)

Luma]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19270703 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:27:51 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19269437 jinjimbob :

said by jordantbro

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Have you seen any products from Hotbrick?

»www.hotbrick.com/produto.asp?tip···odPro=22

Looks like that Hotbrick LB-2 is actually a XinCom XC-DPG502.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19269437 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:23:24 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19269091 jordantbro : Have you seen any products from Hotbrick?

»www.hotbrick.com/produto.asp?tip···odPro=22
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Jordan
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19269091 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:24:57 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19268811 DaSneaky1D : Would you be willing to use a PC based firewall that has multi-WAN capabilities?
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:: my trivial ramblings ::]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19268811 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:31:31 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19268708 jinjimbob : Xincom told me that their dual wan router will work with the same ISP subnet. I haven't heard back from Zyxel yet.
The Xincom also looks to work well with secure connections, the other routers require configurations.

I have read that the Linksys routers need a different subnet for each isp, so it wouldn't work in your case using the same ISP for both. The Dlink hasn't got good reviews for stability. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19268708 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:12:48 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19268155 anon : I don't need to have 1 pipe.

I need to combine 2 Modems to be on the same network.
For this I need a 2 Wan port Router. the way I'm going to set it up will be Person A will be on Modem 1 and Person B will be on Modem 2 for load balancing.

Currently we have 2 separate networks and resources can't be shared from one to another.

I think I'm going with XinCom XC-DPG502]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19268155 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:39:43 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19267959 fox7 : A dual WAN Router is NOT going to add those 2 pipes into 1 pipe. It is for fail over. If one connection goes down the other one will automatically pick up the job.

fox7]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19267959 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:15:24 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19267242 anon : We have the highest tier Comcast offers.

I need advise on the best dual Wan Router.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19267242 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:40:54 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19267225 Anav : Well thats what I am saying, simply increase the speed throughput of a single pipe?? Does comcast or a diff internet provider in your area have diff classes of business speed/throughput they sell??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19267225 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:38:13 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19267141 anon : Anav,

I don't need 2 ISP's. My problem is the download speeds.
We move allot of data down and I need 2 just for speed.

Comcast has been down once in the last 2 years, so it's not a problem.

I need a Router with DHCP and no problems. It's only use will be to combine the 2 modems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19267141 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:24:45 EDT Re: Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19267104 Anav : Do you have an option for using a separate provider??
In other words, there is no redundancy with the same ISP.
If you need more throughput simply pay for me thru the single connection.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19267104 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:19:19 EDT Best Dual Wan Router http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19267080 anon : I have a small business with 15 PC's. I also have 2 modems coming in from Comcast. I currently have 2 separate networks within one roof.

I want to combine them with a dual wan port router but can't figure out what to use!

Every single one I looked at has bad reviews!

What can you recommend? Here's what i saw:

LINKSYS RV042
XINCOM XC-DPG502
EDIMAX BR-624
D-Link DI-LB604]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19267080 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:15:54 EDT