Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? in Cable & Satellite TV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19269224 en Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:41:57 EDT Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:41:57 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19776636 Chris2kGT : Well the company is going to have 100 channels in HD quite shortly. Whether upconverted or truely broadcast it is still counted by every single TV provider.

Just giving out some info.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19776636 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:53:17 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19775403 Neyland :
said by Chris2kGT See Profile :

HOLY mis-information in this thread. I had to sign up just to correct a few completely inaccurate statements.

And finally yes we will be up to 80 channels HD and we have different plans than to lease.... ;)
I always find it interesting what people refer to as an HD channel. Of course there's nothing like the KungFu HD channel that plays old KungFu movies upscaled to compressed 1080 signal ;)

To me, HDNet is a channel, ESPN HD is a channel, SciFi HD would be a channel, PPV HD, ALT HD1, ALT HD2, NHL HD1, NHL HD2 are not a channels I'd count. Nor would I count HD regional locals that I can't receive (if they ever would be offered).

Chris is correct about the antenna though. HD or digital TV (please note that digital does not mean HD, just that the transmission type is digital) can be received over the UHF frequencies, thus it's the UHF antenna you'd want to be lookin for.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19775403 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:49:43 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19763884 Chris2kGT : HOLY mis-information in this thread. I had to sign up just to correct a few completely inaccurate statements. Dish Network has over 4000 full time installers that work in house. We do sub out the work to sub-contractors and Regional Service Providers when the work load is too much. DirectTV is COMPLETELY sub-contracted. Does this make us better....no. But as for training it is alot easier as I have the techs here.

Secondly people should take the time to read all the promotional ads on the websites for both companies as it is explained in plain English. Most people do not want to be bothered having to read 2 or 3 pages of legalities, but will be quick to jump up in arms when they didn't do their homework. This is true with all telecommunication companies.

Also please do not be lured into believing there ever was, is or will be a HD antenna. There is NO SUCH THING. A antenna is a piece of metal that accepts radio waves, nothing more. The built in tuner on a TV or receiver is what decodes the information.

Also, yes, the Gov't. is forcing OTA channels to be broadcast digitally. Direct and Dish will not have to change as they are COMPLETELY DIGITAL NOW!!!!! We along with Direct have never broadcast in analog. That would be the C-band dishes you sir are thinking of. Ku satellite at least for the two of these companies will forever be digital.

And finally yes we will be up to 80 channels HD and we have different plans than to lease.... ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19763884 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:31:08 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19672994 fozngoof :
said by np23 See Profile :

said by wings10 See Profile :

said by dbmaven See Profile :

All DirecTV DVRs are dual tuner receivers just like DISH. That's what allows you to view one channel and record another at the same time.

And if you already buy locals from DirecTV, the HD version is included. A necessity for some people - like me - who would need a 160 foot tall tower to get an OTA signal.
But on the dual tuner dvr receivers can you hook up 2 TV's to it to watch separate programs? (2 separate TV hooks ups, 2 video and 2 audio outs. TV 1 and TV 2) That is what I mean with DISH and their dual tuner receivers. You get 2 TV's hooked up to one receiver. They gibe you 2 remotes. One in infer red and the other works by UHF so it can communicate to the receiver where ever it is in the house. Each TV can watch what ever they want. Saves you $5 per month additional TV fee.

Yes I will have to see about mounting an ant on my roof. I am about 40 miles away. I figure that the $50 to $70 for one will pay for itself in a year or so. Unless like you say they are included in the HD package.
Is TV 2 a HD feed?
no........ damnit :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19672994 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:30:14 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19672838 np23 :
said by wings10 See Profile :

said by dbmaven See Profile :

All DirecTV DVRs are dual tuner receivers just like DISH. That's what allows you to view one channel and record another at the same time.

And if you already buy locals from DirecTV, the HD version is included. A necessity for some people - like me - who would need a 160 foot tall tower to get an OTA signal.
But on the dual tuner dvr receivers can you hook up 2 TV's to it to watch separate programs? (2 separate TV hooks ups, 2 video and 2 audio outs. TV 1 and TV 2) That is what I mean with DISH and their dual tuner receivers. You get 2 TV's hooked up to one receiver. They gibe you 2 remotes. One in infer red and the other works by UHF so it can communicate to the receiver where ever it is in the house. Each TV can watch what ever they want. Saves you $5 per month additional TV fee.

Yes I will have to see about mounting an ant on my roof. I am about 40 miles away. I figure that the $50 to $70 for one will pay for itself in a year or so. Unless like you say they are included in the HD package.
Is TV 2 a HD feed? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19672838 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:47:54 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19669516 dbmaven :
said by wings10 See Profile :

But on the dual tuner dvr receivers can you hook up 2 TV's to it to watch separate programs? (2 separate TV hooks ups, 2 video and 2 audio outs. TV 1 and TV 2) Saves you $5 per month additional TV fee.
That didn't sound like what you were describing - thanks for the clarification. No, DirecTV does not currently have that ability. Called Multi-Room Viewing, that capability is rumored to be coming "soon" - whatever that means. And since it is rumor, to me that means it doesn't exist.

And so that you don't misunderstand about locals:
- you pay for the local package
- if you also pay for the HD Access pack, HD locals are included.
But you have to buy both the local pack and the HD Access to get HD Locals.
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said by dbmaven See Profile :

All DirecTV DVRs are dual tuner receivers just like DISH. That's what allows you to view one channel and record another at the same time.

And if you already buy locals from DirecTV, the HD version is included. A necessity for some people - like me - who would need a 160 foot tall tower to get an OTA signal.
But on the dual tuner dvr receivers can you hook up 2 TV's to it to watch separate programs? (2 separate TV hooks ups, 2 video and 2 audio outs. TV 1 and TV 2) That is what I mean with DISH and their dual tuner receivers. You get 2 TV's hooked up to one receiver. They gibe you 2 remotes. One in infer red and the other works by UHF so it can communicate to the receiver where ever it is in the house. Each TV can watch what ever they want. Saves you $5 per month additional TV fee.

Yes I will have to see about mounting an ant on my roof. I am about 40 miles away. I figure that the $50 to $70 for one will pay for itself in a year or so. Unless like you say they are included in the HD package.
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All DirecTV DVRs are dual tuner receivers just like DISH. That's what allows you to view one channel and record another at the same time.

The DirecTV HD Access fee, which provides the HD mirror of any SD channels, is $9.99 per month. If you want the HD Extra pack (5 channels that do not broadcast in SD - HDNet Movies, MGM, MHD, Smithsonian, Universal), that's a separate $4.99 fee, and is free for 3 months if you sign up now.

And if you already buy locals from DirecTV, the HD version is included. A necessity for some people - like me - who would need a 160 foot tall tower to get an OTA signal. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19669248 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:59:28 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19668666 wings10 : DirecTV charges for local channels as well. Of course why would you want to when you can get an HD attn for $50 and get true HD for free. Also DirecTV charges for their HD channel line up as well. And it is more then $10 per month.
Also DISH as dual tuner receivers and DirecTV does not.
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"The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19668666 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:20:39 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19664027 Hound : I have Dish Network HD and I am happy with it, but I would
probably be happier with Directv, because Directv right now offers MSG HD, FSNY HD, and MLB EI.

The bottom line in choosing between the two is getting the
HD channels that you want.

Dish is not cheaper than Directv. Dish charges $20 for
HD and $5 or $6 for locals. Locals are included with Directv and the HD access fee is $9.99. The Dish promotion
may be cheaper than Directv, but after the promotion runs
out there is no difference or Dish is more. If you have multiple DVRs, Directv only charges one $6.00 DVR fee
while Dish charges $6.00 for each DVR.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19664027 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:40:39 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19660504 wings10 : Dish HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19660504 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:41:58 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19660456 Neyland : We have a 622. Local HD only comes OTA. You have one OTA tuner thus you can only record one local HD content at a time.

You may record one local HD content, and any two other sources delivered via sat.

This is a disadvantage for the Dish recievers vs local cable HD DVRs to us as 70% of the HD content we watch comes off local HD (except during football season).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19660456 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:33:06 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19577089 jeffchap :
said by Neyland See Profile
Ever try to record a HD show on CBS and a HD show on Fox at the same time with a single Dish HD DVR?


I don't understand what your problem is??? I get my locals in HD both from the satellite and OTA. So with my 622, not only can I record HD on CBS and Fox at the same time, I can toss ABC or NBC in there too. Even without an antenna, I'd still be able to record any 2 of them simultaneously.

What receiver are you trying to use?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19577089 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:27:40 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19573386 fozngoof : If you are getting one of the HD broadcasts from an antenna and one from the Sat., then yes you can.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19573386 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:46:38 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19570091 wings10 :
said by Neyland See Profile :

said by scooby See Profile :

said by np23 See Profile :

Ever try to record a HD show on CBS and a HD show on Fox at the same time with a single Dish HD DVR?
I would think you can not?
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said by scooby See Profile :

said by np23 See Profile :

Is it true on DISH you can't record 2 HD programs at once? Only 1 HD & 1 SD simultaneously? If so, wow!
Not true. Thats output not input. You can output different content or the same content from one 622/722 that way. TV1 is hd and tv2 is SD. Dish does a bad job describing this. Its like two dvrs in one. An HD dvr and an SD dvr that share two satellite tuners and the HD dvr has access to the OTA.

The 622 can record 3 things simultaneously. Two of which from satellite (HD or SD) and one from OTA in HD. Numerous times while I had the 622 we would be recording three shows in HD at once while watching a recorded HD show on tv1 and a recorded sd show on tv2.
Ever try to record a HD show on CBS and a HD show on Fox at the same time with a single Dish HD DVR?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19568817 Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:16:17 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19510261 jimmiew : I'm really happy with the Dish HD DVR...it's so easy to pause live programming and resume from either of the 2 TV's that it controls. Love being able to set up favs for any member of the house. The one for my wife has 2 channels: QVC and HSN....or maybe I should block those? :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19510261 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:06:25 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19509937 dbmaven :
said by BananaBaptis See Profile :

DirecTV is going to be the leader in HD. Coming around December or January they will have over 200 channels broadcasting in HD all the time.
Clarification - 200 or more will include every local channel in every DMA they currently have, or add - and that will be after DirecTV-11 launches and goes active (more likely March/April since it won't launch until January at the earliest).

There aren't 200 - there aren't even 100 - full time national HD channels available. Getting to 100 is going to be a stretch on the national level, and many of those will be broadcasting upconverted content except for prime-time. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19509937 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:52:14 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19508933 BananaBaptis : I install DirecTV and Dish and from what ive heard from customers is that DirecTV has been a much better experience for them. Dish has horrible support lines, they promise you things and never follow through. They have shoddy equipment such as the Super Dish which has been bugged since it was released. DirecTV is going to be the leader in HD. Coming around December or January they will have over 200 channels broadcasting in HD all the time. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19508933 Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:51:24 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19500008 guhuna : I've got dish, I just got done installing HD for my brother in-law with DirecTV. From what I've seen it doesn't matter who you get unless you've got a good HD TV!

So he has the service installed and he really hated the quality of the HD from DTV, So I said lets bring my plasma over and lets compare. Sure enough the HD went from shit to looking awesome!

So for shits'n giggles I brought his tv to my house with dish and it looked again like utter crap.

So in the end I'd (if you can) get a side by side comparison of them. I'm happy with my dish and he is happy with his DirecTV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19500008 Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:10:12 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19493666 np23 :
said by fozngoof See Profile :

said by np23 See Profile :

said by fozngoof See Profile :

I have Dish and have not experienced anything that would want to make me switch to DTV.

I can record 3 things at once. (as mentioned before)

I can dump everything to an external hard drive to watch later, or keep a full season (I'm hoping someone will crack it so I can watch on my computer too...but we will see.)

I can use my ONE receiver to output to my 5 tv's in the house (albeit only 2 different things may be watched.....but so far that has never been an issue)

I only have 1 cable coming into my house.

I LOVE the DVR functions of the Dish (especially the 30 second skip to skip all of the commercials)

They just added functionality to use my broadband connection to download content.

Unless DirecTV offers something substantial, I think Dish has more bang for the buck. Just my opinion.

Foz
Directv does everything you mentioned, except record 3 things at once. Plus, their PQ is better & they offer way more HD. To me, that's way more bang for the buck.
I might consider switching IF and ONLY IF DirecTV can come come in on one line. And I can run all the TV's in my house off of 1 receiver like I can now. (yes I know Dish only has SAT 1 and Sat 2 outputs, but I use it for all of my TV's)

They were working on it, but I don't know if DirecTV ever got it working correctly.
It's called SWM, I believe, and many people use it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19493666 Thu, 22 Nov 2007 23:13:04 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19493414 fozngoof :
said by np23 See Profile :

said by fozngoof See Profile :

I have Dish and have not experienced anything that would want to make me switch to DTV.

I can record 3 things at once. (as mentioned before)

I can dump everything to an external hard drive to watch later, or keep a full season (I'm hoping someone will crack it so I can watch on my computer too...but we will see.)

I can use my ONE receiver to output to my 5 tv's in the house (albeit only 2 different things may be watched.....but so far that has never been an issue)

I only have 1 cable coming into my house.

I LOVE the DVR functions of the Dish (especially the 30 second skip to skip all of the commercials)

They just added functionality to use my broadband connection to download content.

Unless DirecTV offers something substantial, I think Dish has more bang for the buck. Just my opinion.

Foz
Directv does everything you mentioned, except record 3 things at once. Plus, their PQ is better & they offer way more HD. To me, that's way more bang for the buck.
I might consider switching IF and ONLY IF DirecTV can come come in on one line. And I can run all the TV's in my house off of 1 receiver like I can now. (yes I know Dish only has SAT 1 and Sat 2 outputs, but I use it for all of my TV's)

They were working on it, but I don't know if DirecTV ever got it working correctly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19493414 Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:09:00 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19477169 np23 :
said by fozngoof See Profile :

I have Dish and have not experienced anything that would want to make me switch to DTV.

I can record 3 things at once. (as mentioned before)

I can dump everything to an external hard drive to watch later, or keep a full season (I'm hoping someone will crack it so I can watch on my computer too...but we will see.)

I can use my ONE receiver to output to my 5 tv's in the house (albeit only 2 different things may be watched.....but so far that has never been an issue)

I only have 1 cable coming into my house.

I LOVE the DVR functions of the Dish (especially the 30 second skip to skip all of the commercials)

They just added functionality to use my broadband connection to download content.

Unless DirecTV offers something substantial, I think Dish has more bang for the buck. Just my opinion.

Foz
Directv does everything you mentioned, except record 3 things at once. Plus, their PQ is better & they offer way more HD. To me, that's way more bang for the buck.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19477169 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:52:32 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19476438 armyvet : not true, dish offer's no contract plan, the only
differance is you pay the $50.00 install, and for
the protection plan if you want it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19476438 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:42:08 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19431706 redblkjck : Had Dish for 3 years and now I have had DirecTV for 3 years. Picture quality is better on DirecTV. Dish can save you a few bucks mostly in access card fees. XM on DirecTV, Sirus on DISH. Dish gives you a few Starz channels. Sports, sports and more sports on DirecTV, cost ya extra though for most of it. You might find a difference in local channels being offered on both. If I remember right with Dish you could rent the equipment rolled in with the access card fee for a dollar more. So they replaced equipment when it broke. DirecTV wants you pay for the protection plan to replace it when it breaks. Though people have stated, renew the contract and they send out new equipment. Both send out replacement equipment 2 day overnight. Dish using receivers where you can run two TV's off one access card and using RF remotes. Both use contract installers so quality of the install depends on the contractor. HD channel line up on DirecTV is better and cost less per month.
Both of them are competing for customers right now. You can get a good deal as a new customer or customer retention. If you are not getting a good deal you got the wrong person on the phone. I don't think I could move back to Dish, the picture is more clear on DirecTV. On the larger TVs you can see the difference.
jack ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19431706 Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:28:14 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19426954 fozngoof : I have Dish and have not experienced anything that would want to make me switch to DTV.

I can record 3 things at once. (as mentioned before)

I can dump everything to an external hard drive to watch later, or keep a full season (I'm hoping someone will crack it so I can watch on my computer too...but we will see.)

I can use my ONE receiver to output to my 5 tv's in the house (albeit only 2 different things may be watched.....but so far that has never been an issue)

I only have 1 cable coming into my house.

I LOVE the DVR functions of the Dish (especially the 30 second skip to skip all of the commercials)

They just added functionality to use my broadband connection to download content.

Unless DirecTV offers something substantial, I think Dish has more bang for the buck. Just my opinion.

Foz]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19426954 Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:55:30 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19423897 scooby :
said by np23 See Profile :

Is it true on DISH you can't record 2 HD programs at once? Only 1 HD & 1 SD simultaneously? If so, wow!
Not true. Thats output not input. You can output different content or the same content from one 622/722 that way. TV1 is hd and tv2 is SD. Dish does a bad job describing this. Its like two dvrs in one. An HD dvr and an SD dvr that share two satellite tuners and the HD dvr has access to the OTA.

The 622 can record 3 things simultaneously. Two of which from satellite (HD or SD) and one from OTA in HD. Numerous times while I had the 622 we would be recording three shows in HD at once while watching a recorded HD show on tv1 and a recorded sd show on tv2.
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Dish will not be adding much if any content for the rest of the year. They are waiting on two leased satellites to be put into space. Right now it appears DirecTV's next satellite will be up before either of two leased Dish sats.

Also have to give props to DirecTV for the nice one dish solution. Depending on where you live you might need multiple dishes with Dish. Just making this known. It bothers some people and does not bother others. Who knows where these two leased satellites are going and if you will need a new dish or not.
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I've had both. Quality wise I can't tell a difference.

When I switch to Dish 2 years ago their customer service was wonderful. Now they are horrible. They have lied to me, bill me extra charges etc... I should switch back, but I'm lazy. But I am tired of calling them every month to "correct" something.

Dish is fine for HDTV, but I don't trust them at all.
So be careful what you sign if you do with them, and don't believe what they tell you.

O]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19400613 Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:02:32 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19350469 anon : I have had Dish for 8 years now and have done the upgrade thing several times. This last upgrade with the HD DVR has not worked out very well for me. I have had to replace the receiver twice and still have trouble with the signal being lost quite often and then having to reboot several times. My other Dish DVR on my other TV keeps wiping out the channels I record even when I have them Protected. So after many years with DISH I have decided to give Directv a try. When DISH was working it was great especially the PIP but I get tired of rebooting all the time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19350469 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:00:17 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19332935 anon : I used to install dtv. If you are looking for just an HD I imagine with a promotion and HD upgrade the receiver and dish would run you about $100. Its the HD DVR combos that are the $300 units.

Also If you cancel w/ one of the providers with the intention of going to another, tell them that before you cancel and they will offer you all sorts of deals just to stay with their company. Request the retention department and bitch about your bill every 6 months with the threat of cancellation. Your bill will be cheaper than Dishs' in a year plus you will have an extra sports package or movie channel to boot. Be sure and threaten to cancel over the phone. Dtv makes all of its money on stock so they all in all don't give two shits about whether or not you (the customer) get a free HD DVR as long as you agree to pay for service.

If you do cancel and then try to go back under a new installation package like you are talking about, you will have to sign up under a different name. Maybe your wife's. Otherwise you will be listed in their computers as a former customer and that is a curse that you can not get rid of. You are right that they take far better care of their new customers than their existing ones. If all of your profits are in stock you definitely are going to care about quantity not quality.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19332935 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:46:08 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19314716 wreck : Thank-you! Excellent comparison. Yes, Direct TV is "ahead" -- but personally, there are only a few channels I really miss not having in HD that D* has that Dish Network doesn't. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19314716 Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:52:36 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19314429 Smuuth :
said by wreck See Profile :

Maybe so! I would like to see the VERY latest HD line-up from each because like I said -- there is MUCH more HD content offered on Dish than even they advertised a month ago. I'm not "thrilled" having 2 HD receivers working 4 separate Tv's -- but so far, I have not had any "buggy" problems.
Here is the best comparison lineup of HD programming I have seen: »www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre···t=419472]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19314429 Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:46:00 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19296373 SinNombre :
said by jimmiew See Profile :

Yep, I have DirecTV now but want to upgrade to HD. DTV packages are more expensive than Dish and plus they want $299 for the HD receiver upgrade.

Dood - how long have you been with DTV? Don't play that game ... call them and when they tell you it would be $299 for an HD receiver, tell them "But it would be free from Dish..." Then see what they say!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19296373 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:26:58 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19294312 CMoore2004 : I've read up on the subject in the past and came to two conclusions:

1) DirecTV uses less compression.
2) The difference in quality is noticable, with DirecTV being out front.

Every place I've read has said satellite was preferred over cable for HD quality, but now that cable companies are using SDV and FiOS has its unbelievable bandwidth caps, I'm not sure how long it'll be that way or even if it still is.
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said by jimmiew See Profile :

I just spoke with a Dish retailer and he said Dish currently has 50-some channels and is pushing to get to 80-some by yearend.
I'm no expert on DISH, so please do further online research before accepting the following as "fact" - I don't believe DISH has the satellite transponder capacity to add that much HD content by end-of-year. If DISH people are anything like DirecTV people, they'll basically tell you what you want to hear. ;)

said by jimmiew See Profile :

Will the following comment (fact?) make a difference to my HD viewing experience? i.e. will I be able to see the difference between 1440x1080 and 1920x1080?
Only you'll be able to judge. It depends on too many factors. Some people swear they can, others say it makes no difference. A lot of it may be your HD TV set and its capabilities - so in essence the old truism plays: "Your mileage may vary!"

said by jimmiew See Profile :

"In addition DirecTV is only putting 4 MPEG4 channels per transponder (Dish Network does 6 per transponder at 1440x1080) DirecTV will be doing 4 per transponder at 1920x1080. (The 720p channels will be at full resolution which is 1280x720)"
Related to the prior question.
Currently, DirecTV is reported to be providing 1920x1080 (e.g. full 1080i resolution), and full 720p. At least one transponder on 103(b) (the new HD Satellite) has 5 channels on it.
DISH and DirecTV use different encoding, multiplexing and transmission methods - so a direct comparison gets to be very difficult. Supposedly, taking all of those differences into account, the amount of available bandwidth per transponder is very close.

The bottom line:
1 - only your eyes can be the judge for you.
2 - select the one that has the content (channels) you want, at a price you're willing to pay each month.

Good luck and good hunting !
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"In addition DirecTV is only putting 4 MPEG4 channels per transponder (Dish Network does 6 per transponder at 1440x1080) DirecTV will be doing 4 per transponder at 1920x1080. (The 720p channels will be at full resolution which is 1280x720)"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19294236 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:30:21 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19291940 Hayward : In 2009 if the FCC sticks to its gun this time.....

It will be irelevant.... as even though like cable sat will not ne REQUIRED to ditch ANALOG/SD TV but the WILL because they finally CAN have the excuse to do so.

This will free up HUGE amounts of space for mor ED/HD TV, and like the phonecompany LONG charging for touch tone service, realized it was costing them much more to maintain and even expand old physical pulse switches vs just making touch tome the standard.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19291940 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:11:21 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19291424 dbmaven : Here's a rough list of what's NOT available on DISH that DirecTV currently has:

CNN
USA
Sci-Fi
FX
MGM
Smithsonian
Bravo
Cartoon Network
CNBC
Fox Business
The Weather Channel
Starz Kids/Family
Starz Comedy
Starz Edge
Showtime Too
The Movie Channel East
Speed

DISH currently has some FSNs (Regional Sports) that D* does not, and DirecTV has some (like YES) that DISH doesn't.

DISH has the VOOM channels, D* doesn't. (Note: some of these might not be VOOM related - but D* doesn't have them anyway)
Animania HD
Equator HD
Family Room HD
Film Fest HD
GamePlay HD
Gallery HD
HDNews
Kung Fu HD
Monsters HD
Rave HD
Rush HD
Treasure HD
Ultra HD
World Cinema HD
WorldSport HD

Hope that helps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19291424 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:22:07 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19289698 wreck : I'm not running down Direct at all -- I'm just saying that I don't think Direct is THAT much ahead of Dish. This forum seems to be DirectTV heavy -- that's all. I'm just sayin' that maybe the Direct fans are not aware completely of exactly what Dish is offering.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19289698 Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:38:27 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19289513 anon : Let me get this straight you had Dish for 3 weeks . And you running down Direct ? So you got it all figured out In 21 days ? I got regular HD cable now which leaves a lot to be desired so don't get any ideas I pushing Direct. I just trying to give someone a straight answer about satellite TV between to companies. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19289513 Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:07:36 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19289256 wreck : Well, with my local HD's and Sports -- it's more like 50+ HD channels. I would like to see a side-by-side comparison of the actual HD channels for both. I'm betting the "extra" HD channels from Direct are pretty superfluous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19289256 Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:31:44 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19289036 anon : What I am saying about the lack of programing is you have to pay for the whole HBO package and you get one HD channel . Same with all the premium channels .Then you pay for a HD package. Dish was also charging me for the Voom HD package.The rest of the programing is digital. So you paid thousands for a HD setup with about 30 HD channels to watch for about 120 + $ per month . Which you seen most of it in standard definition. So you watching HD reruns. That's what I talking about lack of programing. Direct is saying 100 HD channels by New Years if they live up to that that's a good amount.Also Dish use to not have a contract but now you signed a 18 month long one now .So you best be happy with what you selected . Think Direct doing the same thing. I was told they are requiring the 18 month contract because soon we be able to select what channels we want in HD off the internet for a fee . This is why they want you locked in with that contract . I hoping in the future to select my personal channel pack I could delete all sports music cartoons and religious channels this would allow me to be able to afford all the movie channels . ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19289036 Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:56:55 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19280810 wreck : Maybe so! I would like to see the VERY latest HD line-up from each because like I said -- there is MUCH more HD content offered on Dish than even they advertised a month ago. I'm not "thrilled" having 2 HD receivers working 4 separate Tv's -- but so far, I have not had any "buggy" problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19280810 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:34:13 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19279548 obeythelaw :
said by wreck See Profile :

I have been with Dish Network for about 3 weeks. I don't know what the argument has been on the HD content because Dish has MUCH more content than they even advertised before I committed with them. I get HBO, Cinemax, Starz,TMC, etc. ALL in true HD. I get all the standard HD channels such as HistoryHD, TLC, A&E, etc. as well. There is nothing missing that anyone would want.
My bottom line is that there is not much difference between the 2 at all. I think it boils down to the luck of the draw with your individual installer. They are "private contractors" and some are good and others terrrible.
True Dish Network offers some more HD than cable providers do, bu right now you get the most with Directv and for the forseeable future. Also, I think many people would say that the Directv receivers are less buggy than Dish's. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19279548 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:23:52 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19279260 wreck : I have been with Dish Network for about 3 weeks. I don't know what the argument has been on the HD content because Dish has MUCH more content than they even advertised before I committed with them. I get HBO, Cinemax, Starz,TMC, etc. ALL in true HD. I get all the standard HD channels such as HistoryHD, TLC, A&E, etc. as well. There is nothing missing that anyone would want.
My bottom line is that there is not much difference between the 2 at all. I think it boils down to the luck of the draw with your individual installer. They are "private contractors" and some are good and others terrrible.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19279260 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:28:35 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19279136 anon : I had had Dish Network for years 7 or 9 years I cannot remember which . I converted to HDTV a little over 2 years ago . Which required upgrading all of my equipment it was an nightmare got conflicting stories . At first they want to put up 2 dishes one to the east and one to the south . Then the 1000 system dish came out and they put it up and an new HD receiver . The install was extremely poor and not pointed correct had 2 service calls over it (I would loose one satellite's signal real easy ). End of this summer they demanded for me to sign a 18 month contract to allow me to lease their receiver.Since I owned my equipment I was really upset that the current receiver would no longer get the whole HD pack. I got in a heated argument with a real hard ass company rep and canceled service.To prove they were the boss they made me remove my antenna from the roof and return it since they said it wasn't really mine(the dish got upgrade at my expense twice over the years at one of the 2 upgrades the equipment became property of Dish Network ) .Upon removing the dish I found my reception problem was that all pointing adjustments lock hardware was missing or loose (they pointed it and walked away ) . Went with a local cable company .
You can have problems with any company Dish is just another big company with all the usually problems.
The biggest thing about HDTV is the problem of the lack of programing or channels . Then the channels mix non HD programing into their channel. I hate it when they stretch the show to fit the screen . My joke is that if one of these super thin actress saw themselves stretch it kill them .
To sum it up I notice the new Direct TV add promising 100 channels around New years now that's promising if true .
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19279136 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:01:03 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19276532 obeythelaw : Same to you!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19276532 Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:51:21 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19274864 whocares : jimmiew,Jacknife
Yep, I have DirecTV now but want to upgrade to HD. DTV packages are more expensive than Dish and plus they want $299 for the HD receiver upgrade.
really that much? dang i would have thought they would have sent you a regular reciever-H20/600 with a converter on it to get the HD channel,
wow thing are sure changing fast @ DTV,
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hello obeythelaw hope your having a good day SIR.

jazzy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19274864 Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:04:58 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19272409 whocares :
said by jimmiew See Profile :

Does anyone have a recommendation? Thanks!
hello jimmiew,
I've been DTV since approx '99 and have upgraded (and can tell you DTV is out distancing itself as a leader) as others are saying listen to Obeythelaw,(he is a wise man) If you have a choice, why go with 3rds place, when you can go with #1,
If you look back over DTV past year, until now, Imagine whats is going to happen in 2008
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So, I'm seriously looking into switching to Dish. It's a big plus that they offer more Greek channels. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19269224 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:50:09 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19269134 jimmiew : Yep, I have DirecTV now but want to upgrade to HD. DTV packages are more expensive than Dish and plus they want $299 for the HD receiver upgrade.

Both companies give better deals to new customers....so that's probably why I'll be going back to Dish after 3 yrs with DTV. For a $49.99 install fee I don't even have to make a time commitment....but they refund the $49.99 for a 18 month commitment. I'm fishing for someone who has Dish HD or DTV HD and is happy with it.....thanks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19269134 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:35:02 EDT Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19269103 obeythelaw : well, if you don't have either right now, it would be difficult to tell you to go with dish network especially if you have high def tvs. They also have more sports coverage if your into that. I'd say go with directv.
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