RIAA Targets Usenet > Grokster decision will be Usenets downfall

Grokster decision will be Usenets downfall

Time for people to start using Usenet providers from overseas where they don't follow the same laws about copyright infringment as we do in this lovely place.

reply to fAcEtIOUs
yep, and another step in the direction of reaching their 99% goal. By going after individuals/publicly accessible file trading sites, their intent is to push illegal file trading to limited spaces that aren't user friendly by the masses (like private irc). The RIAA/labels know they can't eliminate piracy, but they can live with it (privately, not publicly) if it's low- hence their 99%/1% legal/illegal download goal.

You are exactly right. It will never be completely gone but it will be in certain spots where only certain people can access it. It is that way to a small extent now but the public side has drawn too much attention and now it is paying the consequences for it.

reply to sm2016a

I'd agree with you! Usenet is too old but that's where it's strength is. There infrastructure is been in place. It's not like Kazaa, or other file trading formats. P2P will continue, just evolve. It's a cat and mouse game. Always will be. Have to say it would be nice if someone can counter sue RIAA/MPAA and they lose in court to the common Joe! That would be so awesome!

reply to DJdynamite
I have no sympathy for the **AA's. They may win the case versus Usenet but this will not have an affect on p2p. We've seen this time and time again. **AA sue's, wins in court, p2p use still increases. All that will happen is piracy will shift to other methods (just like Napster and Kazaa users moved to BT).

Litigation will not make up for the **AA's failing business model. People want to be able to get their music in a manner that's cheap and convenient, and that's what p2p offers. So far the **AA's have not grasped this concept. Traditional music channel's are dying out. Who wants to drive to a record store, fight through a crowd and search through dozens of racks of CD's and movies to find what you're looking for? Who wants to deal with traffic at a crowded mall? Who wants to hope they even have the CD/movie you want in stock? It's a lot easier to go to your computer, browse what's available (just about every song or movie ever created) and purchase it at your leisure.

In every business it's the companies who adapt who thrive. I can do my banking when and where I want, I can watch my favorite TV shows when I want, I can even get a meal when I want (even if I get hungry at 4am). So why don't these guys get that I want to get my music and movies on terms that are best for me?

PS: If you think that people won't pay for this stuff, explain iTunes, Amazon, even eBay.

reply to vzw emp
Man, you nailed it. When litigation is identified as a revenue source, as apparently the **AA's have done, with little done to identify the new marketing and channel realities in the music and movie business, something is broken.

Jimmy Iovine was a prophet.

reply to Voyager2K2

reply to fAcEtIOUs
The issue here is that it's very easy to simply not carry the groups with infringing content. A Usenet feed is not an all or nothing proposition.

I expect the RIAA will have to submit a list of groups they feel infringe and the providers will unsubscribe them from their feed. The handle future groups on a case by case basis.

reply to Voyager2K2
The difference being that Usenet is an actual established company, that doesn't depend on ad revenue to fund their business. Meaning they can afford to continue to pay their lawyers.

All Mp3's aren't protected by copyrights, which I would assume would be a fair argument against the RIAAs assertation. Not sure what else the RIAA could stand on after that.

reply to quatrix

reply to sm2016a
that until RIAA sues the ISP to release customer data transfers.
obviously they'll get it.
its America, big corporations can rape the consumer in any hole, and the govt will sit and watch with pleasure.

reply to fAcEtIOUs
ok just to be clear...they aren't suing usenet....they are suing Usenet.com....two very different animals and creatures....sure usenet.com brought this on themselves which i hate them for.....fecking idiots...

reply to Ahrenl
Usenet.com is toast. And the **aa's will get a monster size win of $100,000,000.00 in a few years. Then they will go after all the deep pocket facilitators for past damages even if they have since stopped facilitating, including AT&T who will settle for something way north of a few thousand dollars. This will have a much bigger impact on their efforts than any win from some poor indian woman P2Per. That kind of win will spur other countries to sieze bank accounts of newsgroup providers in their country. This case has the potential to cripple the whole file sharing idea and squeeze it into the shrinking parts of the world where they think it is safe. Content is going to be nose diving after such a win because of fear of hosting and excess hassle dealing with it. I am the guru on the mountain. Might as well bend over now because I see it all coming like a freight train.

reply to openbox9
Yeah my buddy did that with browsers. If you have firefox he blocks you. Oh, I just switch to IE no problem. He does that because he hates firefox. Since he has porn on his site ppl go there. There are ways to spoof your IP & MAC address. You can also use Proxy servers.

reply to Anomus
Keep your gerbils in your own pants Mr Guru!
Usenet isn't going anywhere, theres too much involved to take her down.
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reply to quatrix
That's the stupidest thing I've ever read. How is downloading music comparable to robbing a bank? If you rob a bank you are taking something physical, tangible, and depriving someone else of the use of what you stole. What kind of messed up mind do you have that enables you to read your post and not want to kill yourself.