sm2016a
join:2004-03-02
Belleville, IL | reply to fAcEtIOUs
Re: Grokster decision will be Usenets downfall Time for people to start using Usenet providers from overseas where they don't follow the same laws about copyright infringment as we do in this lovely place. |
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| said by sm2016a:Time for people to start using Usenet providers from overseas where they don't follow the same laws about copyright infringment(sic)as we do in this lovely place. Absolutely. Good luck RIAA. You are going to need it.
There are so many legal gotchas when messing with the Usenet it will takes years if not decades to clear the courts.
The Usenet has always been a dirty little secret and it has always been better to keep it that way.
The Usenet is basically only for the techo-savvy, not for some teenage kid to swap files with P2P.
In the end the RIAA at best will find this exercise a "whack a mole" waste of revenue.
IMHO the Usenet providers have been waiting for this to happen and already have their guns locked and loaded.
This WILL be the RIAA's Waterloo. |
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 rloconeHonor Our Heros, Our Armed ForcesPremium
join:2002-04-10
Kokomo, IN | I'd agree with you! Usenet is too old but that's where it's strength is. There infrastructure is been in place. It's not like Kazaa, or other file trading formats. P2P will continue, just evolve. It's a cat and mouse game. Always will be. Have to say it would be nice if someone can counter sue RIAA/MPAA and they lose in court to the common Joe! That would be so awesome! |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to Voyager2K2
said by Voyager2K2:said by sm2016a:Time for people to start using Usenet providers from overseas where they don't follow the same laws about copyright infringment(sic)as we do in this lovely place. Absolutely. Good luck RIAA. You are going to need it. The same thing used to be said about BT trackers overseas, and now you are starting to see some blocking searches from the US. I don't think it's too far of a stretch to think something similar can't happen for NNTP as well. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to Voyager2K2
The difference being that Usenet is an actual established company, that doesn't depend on ad revenue to fund their business. Meaning they can afford to continue to pay their lawyers.
All Mp3's aren't protected by copyrights, which I would assume would be a fair argument against the RIAAs assertation. Not sure what else the RIAA could stand on after that. |
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that until RIAA sues the ISP to release customer data transfers.
obviously they'll get it.
its America, big corporations can rape the consumer in any hole, and the govt will sit and watch with pleasure. |
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Usenet.com is toast. And the **aa's will get a monster size win of $100,000,000.00 in a few years. Then they will go after all the deep pocket facilitators for past damages even if they have since stopped facilitating, including AT&T who will settle for something way north of a few thousand dollars. This will have a much bigger impact on their efforts than any win from some poor indian woman P2Per. That kind of win will spur other countries to sieze bank accounts of newsgroup providers in their country. This case has the potential to cripple the whole file sharing idea and squeeze it into the shrinking parts of the world where they think it is safe. Content is going to be nose diving after such a win because of fear of hosting and excess hassle dealing with it. I am the guru on the mountain. Might as well bend over now because I see it all coming like a freight train. |
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rloconeHonor Our Heros, Our Armed ForcesPremium
join:2002-04-10
Kokomo, IN | reply to openbox9
Yeah my buddy did that with browsers. If you have firefox he blocks you. Oh, I just switch to IE no problem. He does that because he hates firefox. Since he has porn on his site ppl go there. There are ways to spoof your IP & MAC address. You can also use Proxy servers. |
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Keep your gerbils in your own pants Mr Guru!
Usenet isn't going anywhere, theres too much involved to take her down.
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said by rlocone:I'd agree with you! Usenet is too old but that's where it's strength is. There infrastructure is been in place. It's not like Kazaa, or other file trading formats. P2P will continue, just evolve. It's a cat and mouse game. Always will be. Have to say it would be nice if someone can counter sue RIAA/MPAA and they lose in court to the common Joe! That would be so awesome! The common Joe can't afford to fight them in court and the uncommomn Joe has probably got his own shady dealings to protect. |
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rloconeHonor Our Heros, Our Armed ForcesPremium
join:2002-04-10
Kokomo, IN | It's like that lady recently that lost to them. Now she has to pay 222K for the rest of her life. That is so wrong! Her paychecks will be garnished for the rest of her life. Her tax returns will be offset. I see it as unfair now she has to live a EVEN poorer life because a company "ENTITY" wants more $$$. Their pockets are already lined for life. You know what the RIAA/MPAA remind me of the Ferengi! They follow the rules of acquisition to the letter! What you mention is so true. I wish that they would just lose so they know it feels. However, with all of their lawyers they have plenty of money to blow. They even have hired company to DoS you! Let some other company try that crap and they won't be getting away with it.
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| said by rlocone:It's like that lady recently that lost to them. Now she has to pay 222K for the rest of her life. That is so wrong! Her paychecks will be garnished for the rest of her life. Her tax returns will be offset. I see it as unfair now she has to live a EVEN poorer life because a company "ENTITY" wants more $$$. I have NO sympathy for her. She had a choice. She is an adult. She took the music without paying for it knowing it was wrong. Everything else you say is merely trying to justify being a thief(theft of service).
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 sitrix
join:2002-04-15
Tacoma, WA | reply to rlocone
I hope your friend realizes that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to spoof Firefox to look like IE to any webserver. |
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rloconeHonor Our Heros, Our Armed ForcesPremium
join:2002-04-10
Kokomo, IN
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You got a point. She took the risk and gambled and lost. That's what happens when you go to Vega. That's why I don't gamble. As for justify anything. What I do is my own business. If they don't like it they can take a hike! |
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rloconeHonor Our Heros, Our Armed ForcesPremium
join:2002-04-10
Kokomo, IN
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Oh yeah sure. You just have to modify your HTTP headers or the browser string. I need to do that just to mess with him! He'll love it!!! |
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said by rlocone:It's like that lady recently that lost to them. Now she has to pay 222K for the rest of her life. That is so wrong! The really sad part about that sorry affair is the music she shared. Probably would not earn that much in sales on its on merits. IMHO
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to Anomus
I'd put you on ignore if I could... |
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 Skilos
join:2000-08-19
Astoria, NY | reply to rlocone
then in theory the RIAA should get millions from me, for all the music i recorder off the radio back in the day, and then made mix tapes and gave to friends.
give me a break.
just ignore them, they will go away soon. |
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join:2004-06-03
Kihei, HI
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said by fAcEtIOUs:... I have NO sympathy for her. She had a choice. She is an adult. She took the music without paying for it knowing it was wrong. Everything else you say is merely trying to justify being a thief(theft of service). Yes, she's an adult. Yes, she acquired and shared music without paying. Yes, it's wrong. Yes, she had no right.
The problem is that the penalty is absolutely ridiculous. $222K is insane. Perhaps we should bring back debtor's prison, the lash, or maybe just extract a pound of flesh from her. Hell, let's hack off her typing fingers and brand her forehead with "THIEF"... that'll teach her.
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ncbillPremium
join:2007-01-23
Winston Salem, NC | reply to rlocone
Not after she files chapter 7 bankruptcy.
>Her paychecks will be garnished for the rest of her life |
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