kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| reply to S_engineer
Re: joke
said by S_engineer  :I understand I say this with all due respect, but no, you really don't.
said by S_engineer :Why isn't anybody bitching about the fact the New York Times printed classified information? This is acceptable to you? Or did they get immunity? Yes, it is completely acceptable. The government works for ME, Joe Citizen, not the other way around. I need not be afraid of my own god damned employees. And if my employees are going to cheat me, lie to me and deceive me...I reserve the right to fight back and claim what's mine using any tools necessary.
The reporting would not have been necessary had the administration not broken the law and the sacred bond of trust with the governed.
If the thugs in the administration can, for all intents and purposes, get immunity from prosecution and profiteering at a time of great national need...then, surely we can let the press slide for doing its job, no? Are we going to stop pretending altogether that the first amendment still exists and start putting people in jail for opening their mouths?
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | Ok Joe, tell your employees in our city, in our county and in our state, that they're over burdoning us with the tax increases...let me know what your employees say!
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| I'm actually quite okay with my share of taxes. What I don't like is my taxes going to kill innocent civilians and our own soldiers....when the money could go towards education, peace, health care, improving the national infrastructure, environment protection. You know, things that actually benefit me and my future generations, instead of just Halliburton.
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
1 edit | reply to S_engineer
hey buddy,
Guess where most of your tax dollars for the rest of your miserable life will go?
Thats right you guessed it...
To impose democracy on another nation instead of fixing your problems at home.
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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Wow talk about the 30 second talking point...halliburton; you forgot blackwater too!
And Peace...you want your taxes to go for peace?
Well if you want peace you must prepare for war!
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| said by S_engineer :Wow talk about the 30 second talking point...halliburton; you forgot blackwater too! And Peace...you want your taxes to go for peace? Well if you want peace you must prepare for war! Yes Blackwater too.
The only people who think war is a requirement for peace are in a business that profits from war or are sheep who can be programmed easily to recite talking points. Which category are you in?
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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| Did I say go to war, no; I said prepare. I don't recite talking points, you create them.
My category...wolf. If your the sheepherder and your not willing to do what needs to be done, it will be easy picking!
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | Huh?
...was that one of those "known knowns and unknown knowns" type diatribe? |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | if you use analogies be prepared to get them. |
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Rhanlav
Dook?
join:2005-01-28
Jacksonville, FL
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I'm not over burdoned by taxes. The only folks who seem to complain about it are the folks who have a lot more cars and houses than I do. Those poor poor folks. How dare we have to sacrifice our money via taxes to help support the war effort (like we've done in every other war, except this one).
I'm sorry, but you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. If you take a fraction of what we pay in taxes to fund the war, and put it into other things like say balancing the budget and other services, my goodness, think of the calamity of a balanced budget and funded programs would cause! Oh the humanity! 
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Ignite
Premium,VIP
join:2004-03-18
UK
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1 edit | reply to S_engineer
said by S_engineer :My category...wolf. If your the sheepherder and your not willing to do what needs to be done, it will be easy picking! Mr S, if you are the wolf should you not be in Iraq or Afghanistan, maybe even Pakistan (you remember Osama Bin Laden, that dude that has been totally forgotten somewhere along the line in the rush for oil and moving money from public to private coffers) taking advantage of the easy pickings?
Speaking purely as a sheepherder who is not willing to do what in your opinion needs to be done, and who finds 'what needs to be done' as being cowardly and borne out of fear.
I prefer to contribute to the war in terror by a method that in many cases sadly seems rather difficult... I'm simply not scared. I take the London Underground to work every morning, any morning I could be blown into the afterlife by a Jihadist... then again I could also be hit by a bus crossing the road on my way to the station *shrug* |
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xrobertcmx
Premium
join:2001-06-18
Sterling, VA
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said by S_engineer :Well if you want peace you must prepare for war! In the words of Terry Pratchett, no, I really don't see that.
In my own words, I know the quote.
I also know the "A good defense is a strong offense"
But I believe a strong defense is also not angering the entire world.
The Bell companies should not have cooperated. The law is the law, the 4th Amendment is still the 4th Amendment, this isn't one of those Amendments we repealed.
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pointlessness9
@talleyds.com | reply to S_engineer
The first step to peace is to stop fighting. Please point out where in history peace existed utilizing an organization that has a sole purpose of conducting warfare. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | reply to Rhanlav
quote:
The Cake Is A Lie.
 Now get me a companion cube. |
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bent
not broken
Premium
join:2004-10-04
Loveland, CO
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said by kapil :Which category are you in? My guess would be both.
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| reply to kapil
said by kapil :I'm actually quite okay with my share of taxes. What I don't like is my taxes going to kill innocent civilians and our own soldiers....when the money could go towards education, peace, health care, improving the national infrastructure, environment protection. You know, things that actually benefit me and my future generations, instead of just Halliburton. I wonder if your family during ww2 said the same thing... |
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
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said by Ignite :said by S_engineer :My category...wolf. If your the sheepherder and your not willing to do what needs to be done, it will be easy picking! Mr S, if you are the wolf should you not be in Iraq or Afghanistan, maybe even Pakistan (you remember Osama Bin Laden, that dude that has been totally forgotten somewhere along the line in the rush for oil and moving money from public to private coffers) taking advantage of the easy pickings? Speaking purely as a sheepherder who is not willing to do what in your opinion needs to be done, and who finds 'what needs to be done' as being cowardly and borne out of fear. I prefer to contribute to the war in terror by a method that in many cases sadly seems rather difficult... I'm simply not scared. I take the London Underground to work every morning, any morning I could be blown into the afterlife by a Jihadist... then again I could also be hit by a bus crossing the road on my way to the station *shrug* right... so you've endeavored to engage in activities that were outlined by bush after 9/11... you remember what they were don't you... go on about your business, go on with your daily lives, everything will be okay, etc. etc... so like a good little lemming you've simply stuffed your hands in your pocket, walk to the tube and resign yourself to the fact that you might end up being a casualty and you call that doing something... hmmm, i wonder were the spine of british men has gone too... maybe it is somewhere downstream on the thames... |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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said by S_engineer :Wow talk about the 30 second talking point...halliburton; you forgot blackwater too! I want to hire Blackwater USA as my own personal bodyguards.
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Ignite
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join:2004-03-18
UK
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said by Asmodeus :right... so you've endeavored to engage in activities that were outlined by bush after 9/11... you remember what they were don't you... go on about your business, go on with your daily lives, everything will be okay, etc. etc... so like a good little lemming you've simply stuffed your hands in your pocket, walk to the tube and resign yourself to the fact that you might end up being a casualty and you call that doing something... hmmm, i wonder were the spine of british men has gone too... maybe it is somewhere downstream on the thames... Nope, I simply understand that the point of terrorism is to cause fear. By not being afraid, the terrorists have failed.
On the other hand by compromising your own freedoms and in turn disturbing the entire world due to your fear, they win. Indeed by in turn propogating and multiplying the fear they may want to cause you even assist them in their terrorism.
True courage isn't going en masse and bombing the crap out of a country on the other side of the world which is in no way involved in the terrorism, or allowing a Government to stamp on its' own constitution in the name of your safety, true courage is refusing to compromise on the freedoms that you hold dear, refusing to allow your life to be disturbed by the actions of terrorists.
That said it would have been wonderful if certain USA citizens had had this similar attitude to terrorism when they were bankrolling the provisional IRA while they were bombing the UK mainland though.
Anyway you carry on getting more and more insular, eroding your own democracy and liberty in the name of perceived safety though. At some point once the money dries up you might realise that terrorism is a sad fact of life in a world of different nations and opinions, and that to meet it with violence and fear is merely admitting defeat, nothing more.
Me? I'll let the professionals here, the security services, police, those who are paid to ensure our safety and paid to ensure that we can live our lives in peace do their job, and I in return shall carry on living my life, going to work and paying my taxes, part of which should go towards paying their salaries in return for this safety.
Real courage is rising above the danger, I'll leave the acting out of fear to yourself. What you call being a lemming, I call being a decent human being whose moral standards are somewhat higher than those who may seek to pointlessly harm him  |
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Rhanlav
Dook?
join:2005-01-28
Jacksonville, FL
| reply to Karl Bode
Remember, your companion cube can not speak to you, and in fact, cannot speak at all. If you do hear it advise you to invade a foreign country under fall pretenses, it is best that you do not heed it's advice. It will not stab you either.  |
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