CLNYC
I know 7 years olds who can Google
join:2006-01-16
New York, NY
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Re: EZ Pass hoax or real?
said by 81399672  :it's hoax, this should clue you in "Based upon the distance between the register > points and the posted speed limit, the state is sending speeding tickets in the mail to the guilty persons." This how our speeding laws work, in order for speeding ticket to be valid, state must be able to id the driver this in control of the vehicle. Just because you driving a car with easypass do not mean you owe the car. To me this is clearly a hoax. A red light ticket which is a moving violation sends it to the owner of the car without knowing who actaully passed the red light so the owner is punished even if they were not the operator at the time of the violation.
Why would speeding be any different???
The technology to use easy pass to catch speeders is available, it's just a question about whether or not governments decide to use it.
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The Dv8or
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2 edits | Whatever the case may be, the statement in the OP shows "Easy Pass". Any official statement wouldnt f**k up E-Z Pass that badly.
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MooJohn
join:2005-12-18
Milledgeville, GA
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This message follows the classic recipe for a hoax email.
Step 1: Make statements that show imminent danger or harm to the reader.
said by Midak :> New York State started a pilot program upstate > north of Albany on the Northway to catch speeders using the Easy Pass > system. Recording devices were installed at intervals along the > highway... Step 2: Make sure the claim is general enough to apply to anyone reading the message. In this case, that means drivers who don't use EZ-Pass.
said by Midak :> Because every driver does not have Easy Pass, > the State is "perplexed" as what to do to impose the system state-wide. > The solution has been found. Soon all new vehicle registration stickers > will have a metal strip or chip imbedded in same. This will take the > place of the Easy Pass system as stated above... Step 3: Assure the reader that it is a legitimate message. This is the best part of any hoax. You'll frequently find references to large companies in this section because it adds an air of believability. I don't know why these mentions are almost always in ALL CAPS. Most of the time it's MICROSOFT and/or AOL.
said by Midak :> This is not fictional. New York State > contracted with VERIZON to install the system. The system has already > been installed and the entire Bronx River Parkway in Westchester County > has been "wired" for when the new system begins... Step 4: Fire up the conspiracy theory
said by Midak :> Another reason that will be given for the new > system is to enable the authorities to track stolen vehicles, to trace > kidnap victims, to monitor and trace suspected criminals and terrorists, > etc. > BIG BROTHER IS ALIVE AND WELL. And finally, Step 5 - the Coupe de Gracie (heh heh):
said by Midak :> Pass this along to every one you know. I've been emailing for over 15 years. In that time I have never sent a message that was so urgent that it needed to be "blasted" to every email address ever created. I've never received a message of that importance either. Somehow I doubt a message from someone's "uncle's cousin's best friend's mother's former roommate's podiatrist" is that important either.
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bjl
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join:2002-05-02
Newport Beach, CA
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said by CLNYC :said by 81399672 :it's hoax, this should clue you in "Based upon the distance between the register > points and the posted speed limit, the state is sending speeding tickets in the mail to the guilty persons." This how our speeding laws work, in order for speeding ticket to be valid, state must be able to id the driver this in control of the vehicle. Just because you driving a car with easypass do not mean you owe the car. To me this is clearly a hoax. A red light ticket which is a moving violation sends it to the owner of the car without knowing who actaully passed the red light so the owner is punished even if they were not the operator at the time of the violation. Why would speeding be any different??? The technology to use easy pass to catch speeders is available, it's just a question about whether or not governments decide to use it. Red light cameras take a photo(s) of the offender. Ticket is still sent to registered owner, who can, in some cases when the photo isn't clear or clear that it is not them (i.e. woman driving, but car is registered to man), actually get out of the ticket.
The scheme in the OP has no way of knowing who is driving the car, unless cameras are also installed at the check points. |
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81399672
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join:2006-05-17
Los Angeles, CA
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said by CLNYC :said by 81399672 :it's hoax, this should clue you in "Based upon the distance between the register > points and the posted speed limit, the state is sending speeding tickets in the mail to the guilty persons." This how our speeding laws work, in order for speeding ticket to be valid, state must be able to id the driver this in control of the vehicle. Just because you driving a car with easypass do not mean you owe the car. To me this is clearly a hoax. A red light ticket which is a moving violation sends it to the owner of the car without knowing who actaully passed the red light so the owner is punished even if they were not the operator at the time of the violation. Why would speeding be any different??? The technology to use easy pass to catch speeders is available, it's just a question about whether or not governments decide to use it. What brilance said, plus in states like california if u r not register driver u can get out of the ticket just by claiming it's not you. You're not required to id who the driver is. Btw in op case, no picture is even provided to register owner |
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Sr Tech
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join:2003-01-19
New Fairfield, CT | The EZpass system can hold all types of statistics. If NY was to decide to use the system in this manner I would think it would have been all over the news by now. |
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PToN
join:2001-10-04
Houston, TX | reply to Midak
That was proposed here in the houston area a few years ago. It would have used existing structures to hold the devices and it would have worked for all vehicles and not only EZTag customers.
It was never approved.. |
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swhx7
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join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
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As JerseyDevil and CLNYC observed, it is technically feasible.
A sufficently powerful magnet will scramble a "smart card" type of chip, or a metallic responder like the ones in anti-shoplifting tags. Direct application of high current or microwaves may disable such devices as well, but would be more likely to cause other damage and be more conspicuous.
If it's ever checked by a police officer and he accuses the motorist of tampering, the correct line would be "but I just took it from the envelope and stuck it on the window like they told me to. That's all I know about it! I didn't know it was defective." |
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sheik28
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New York, NY
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said by 81399672 :What brilance said, plus in states like california if u r not register driver u can get out of the ticket just by claiming it's not you. You're not required to id who the driver is. Btw in op case, no picture is even provided to register owner The California must be more lenient than NY. If you dispute the ticket on the grounds that it is not you, you must provide a notarized letter from the person who was driving. The ticket will then be issued in their name.
As far as EZ Pass tickets are concerned, right now they ticket you automatically for speeding through a toll. A while back there were several known speed traps that were set up through the EZ Pass system that were placed along a few highways/interstates in NY. Supposedly that practice was stopped but who knows. |
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81399672
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join:2006-05-17
Los Angeles, CA
| said by sheik28 :said by 81399672 :What brilance said, plus in states like california if u r not register driver u can get out of the ticket just by claiming it's not you. You're not required to id who the driver is. Btw in op case, no picture is even provided to register owner The California must be more lenient than NY. If you dispute the ticket on the grounds that it is not you, you must provide a notarized letter from the person who was driving. The ticket will then be issued in their name. As far as EZ Pass tickets are concerned, right now they ticket you automatically for speeding through a toll. A while back there were several known speed traps that were set up through the EZ Pass system that were placed along a few highways/interstates in NY. Supposedly that practice was stopped but who knows. You can't refuse to release name as you never agree to testify and also for privacy reasons? If that is the case, that is interesting. |
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rgoltsch
join:2001-03-04
Caldwell, NJ
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Midak
All good hoaxes start with a grain of truth.......
There is a set of these sensors checking for passing EZPass users just north of the end of the Garden State Parkway. On the connector to the NYS Thruway. They are mounted on poles that hang over the highway's right lane (Like a streetlight). The sensors are about a foot square and white.
The Thruway Authority and the Garden State Parkway use these sensors to monitor the cars with EZPass going by. If there is a slowdown, the sensors know it and can alert whatever authority needs to know.
When they went up a few years ago, there was a story about them in the local papers. They made a point of stating that they are only used for monitoring traffic, not to see who is speeding. IIRC, they purposely do not look at the ID number of the sensor passing through to ensure privacy.
Here's a quote:
SUBJECT: TRANSMIT (TRANSCOM's System for Managing Incidents and Traffic)
Operational Test
DESCRIPTION: TRANSCOM conducted an FHWA-funded operational test using electronic
toll collection (ETC) technology to detect incidents. The test successfully demonstrated that
ETC technology could be used for traffic management and incident detection. TRANSMIT
Phase I is a network of 22 roadside readers (at approximately 1.5-mile intervals along 19 miles
of the Garden State Parkway and New York State Thruway) that uses E-Z Pass toll transponder
equipped vehicles as probes. TRANSMIT collects travel time data from these vehicles and
compares them to an historical database to detect congestion-causing incidents. TRANSCOM's
Operations Information Center relays this incident information to the New York State Thruway
Authority and Garden State Parkway to allow rapid response and clearance, as well as directly to
motorists (through variable message signs or highway advisory radio) to reduce congestion. The
final evaluation reports for the project have been completed.
»www.njtpa.org/About/Business/doc···inal.pdf
It's on page 23 if you are interested....
Ron |
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RealoRc
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join:2003-01-25
Brooklyn, NY
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EZPass doesn't have to be linked to one specific vehicle or driver. Like JerseyDevil said, everyone will get rid of EZPass once they get tickets in the mail for speeding. Or store it in the anti-static bag to keep the tagholder from being read when not at the tolls. |
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MrUmbra
@verizon.net | reply to Midak
If your paranoid then remove your transponder and put it into an anti-static envelope. Hold it against the windshield when you're going through a toll collection lane.
--- CHAS |
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MrUmbra
@verizon.net | reply to RealoRc
Hi there RealoRC. We sang together.
--- CHAS |
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sheik28
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join:2000-10-15
New York, NY | reply to 81399672
It's not interesting. You pay the ticket or say who it is. Very simple. |
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81399672
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join:2006-05-17
Los Angeles, CA
| said by sheik28 :It's not interesting. You pay the ticket or say who it is. Very simple. Is their such law, if not then you can tell them to take a hike. At least i would and would challange it. |
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sheik28
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New York, NY | Good for you.
You like to challenge a lot of laws apparently. |
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swhx7
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join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
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said by MrUmbra :
If your paranoid then remove your transponder and put it into an anti-static envelope. Hold it against the windshield when you're going through a toll collection lane.
--- CHAS
Speeding could still be detected by comparing times from one tollbooth to the next. |
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whizkid3
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join:2002-02-21
Queens, NY | reply to Midak
They will never install it between Albany and New York City. That is where all the legislators & their staff do 80 mph every week. |
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TOPDAWG
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join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON | reply to Midak
I'd no issue with it if it were true. People need to god damn stop speeding. Not like the assholes are going any place important. If you're late going some place then you should have lift 10 to to 15 mins earlier. |
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