Lee GWB
Yaco
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Re: EZ Pass hoax or real?
HOAX!!!
People will be getting rid of them ASAP. Another thought is that you have the "Silver Bags" to store when you do not want to use them. I also have some facts for you.
EZPASS can barely pick up my transponder. When I check my statement 8 out of 10 times it has to verify my account via my license plates.(SUV)
I recently had to prove to my employer for an audit for tolls. When I checked my statement I had no Tolls register because it did not pick up my "transponder" or ID my Plate
(My Motorcycle in this case. My Tag is slightly obscured by the custom plate holder:)
Lee
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expert007
join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY | reply to Midak
Yes, this is true. You will get a speeding ticket in the mail if you hit EZ Pass checkpoints too soon. I'm in Buffalo and I've had this happen to friends. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
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said by Midak  :I got nailed going through Ohio on 80 at around 3AM. I mean, WTF, who in their right mind sets up a speed trap at 3AM??? Cops under their quota!
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CLNYC
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join:2006-01-16
New York, NY
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said by bjl :said by CLNYC :said by 81399672 :it's hoax, this should clue you in "Based upon the distance between the register > points and the posted speed limit, the state is sending speeding tickets in the mail to the guilty persons." This how our speeding laws work, in order for speeding ticket to be valid, state must be able to id the driver this in control of the vehicle. Just because you driving a car with easypass do not mean you owe the car. To me this is clearly a hoax. A red light ticket which is a moving violation sends it to the owner of the car without knowing who actaully passed the red light so the owner is punished even if they were not the operator at the time of the violation. Why would speeding be any different??? The technology to use easy pass to catch speeders is available, it's just a question about whether or not governments decide to use it. Red light cameras take a photo(s) of the offender. Ticket is still sent to registered owner, who can, in some cases when the photo isn't clear or clear that it is not them (i.e. woman driving, but car is registered to man), actually get out of the ticket. The scheme in the OP has no way of knowing who is driving the car, unless cameras are also installed at the check points. Red light camera systems can be designed to photograph only a vehicle's rear license plate, not vehicle occupants, depending on local law. Only vehicles driven by motorists who violate the law are photographed.
Violations photographed by red light cameras are most commonly treated in one of two ways — as traffic violations or as the equivalent of parking tickets, depending on state law. If, as in New York, red light camera violations are treated like parking citations, the law can make registered vehicle owners responsible without regard to who was driving at the time of the offense.
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Subaru
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Greenwich, CT
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If that was true I would of has so many tickets passing tolls in and around NYS given how fast i drive... |
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NY Tel
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Smithtown, NY | reply to Midak
This was actually tried on the New Jersey Turnpike about 3 years ago. People were mailed speeding tickets based on travel times between the two points.
There was some sort of lawsuit and it was abruptly halted. |
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evilt00l
join:2003-03-20
Winchester, KY
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said by 81399672 :it's hoax, this should clue you in "Based upon the distance between the register > points and the posted speed limit, the state is sending speeding tickets in the mail to the guilty persons." This how our speeding laws work, in order for speeding ticket to be valid, state must be able to id the driver this in control of the vehicle. Just because you driving a car with easypass do not mean you owe the car. To me this is clearly a hoax. Not true... back about 15 years ago our car was stolen. about 3 weeks later we received in the mail a speeding ticket from GEORGIA. We lived in Michigan. The ticket was dropped after we sent a copy of our police report but still. And that was 15 years ago. |
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evilt00l
join:2003-03-20
Winchester, KY
clubs: | Also... What does Verizon a telecom company have anything to do with enforcing speed laws? |
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NY Tel
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Smithtown, NY
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| said by evilt00l :Also... What does Verizon a telecom company have anything to do with enforcing speed laws? I guess some obscure use of their cell sites to transmit the data. Also, they could pay Verizon for connectivity just the same way companies pay them now for T-1, DS3, OC-3 circuits etc. These sensors need to be connected to something to send the "jailbird" notices out.
The Hoaxie post was just worded ambiguously. |
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TOPDAWG
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join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON
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OH poor baby. You got busted for braking the law. My heart bleeds for you. Was it a speed trap or just cops out doing their job at night? You do know cops do work at night too.
My guess is they're manly looking for drunks at night but got you cause well you broke the law. Yep I'm going to go around town tonight and run some red lights I mean why not it's night laws mean nothing at night. |
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evilt00l
join:2003-03-20
Winchester, KY
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yes very vague on purpose I'm sure. "The US Gov is partnered with Microsoft so that PCs connected to internet and using Google. Will be sending all the information for Verizon customers who like starbucks. To the FBI for monitering, as there was credible intel saying they next terrorist attack will have a cell phone and like coffee." "Big brother is spying on you too!" "Pass this on if you care about personal freedom!" |
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81399672
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join:2006-05-17
Los Angeles, CA
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said by evilt00l :said by 81399672 :it's hoax, this should clue you in "Based upon the distance between the register > points and the posted speed limit, the state is sending speeding tickets in the mail to the guilty persons." This how our speeding laws work, in order for speeding ticket to be valid, state must be able to id the driver this in control of the vehicle. Just because you driving a car with easypass do not mean you owe the car. To me this is clearly a hoax. Not true... back about 15 years ago our car was stolen. about 3 weeks later we received in the mail a speeding ticket from GEORGIA. We lived in Michigan. The ticket was dropped after we sent a copy of our police report but still. And that was 15 years ago. On whos name? If just plate then what proof did they have it was you who is driving. Innocent till proven guilty is still the way our legal justice system works the last time i checked |
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CLNYC
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join:2006-01-16
New York, NY
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| said by 81399672 :said by evilt00l :said by 81399672 :it's hoax, this should clue you in "Based upon the distance between the register > points and the posted speed limit, the state is sending speeding tickets in the mail to the guilty persons." This how our speeding laws work, in order for speeding ticket to be valid, state must be able to id the driver this in control of the vehicle. Just because you driving a car with easypass do not mean you owe the car. To me this is clearly a hoax. Not true... back about 15 years ago our car was stolen. about 3 weeks later we received in the mail a speeding ticket from GEORGIA. We lived in Michigan. The ticket was dropped after we sent a copy of our police report but still. And that was 15 years ago. On whos name? If just plate then what proof did they have it was you who is driving. Innocent till proven guilty is still the way our legal justice system works the last time i checked In NY state and many other states a speeding ticket is a civil violation and not a criminal violation. In these states the State only needs needs to prove a Preponderance of the Evidence.
This means that if there is any possibility that you might be guilty, you are guilty. Innocent until proven guilty does not apply in Civil cases. That is how OJ Simpson was able to beat a criminal rap and not a civil rap.
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81399672
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Los Angeles, CA
4 edits | Um i must have slept in my law class when they were discussing this, as innocent till proving guilty applies in all courts (well maybe with exception of irs but that is for another thread). In civil court it's called preponderance of the evidence(as you said which means more likely then not and not just their a chances etc.). Being speeding ticket will put points on your dl, they have to show you the evidence it was you and not just say it was you. We are not talking about parking ticket here.
edit:last time i checked speeding ticket was infraction and it's criminal but being it's speding civil court rules apply
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sheik28
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New York, NY
1 edit | nm not worth it |
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evilt00l
join:2003-03-20
Winchester, KY
clubs: | reply to CLNYC
the same way you can be arrested an not charged. The ticket doesn't mean you are guilty. It means you can now go to court to dispute (like trail in a criminal case.) or you can pay the ticket and admit guilt. |
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Bobcat
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join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
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said by Chinabound :Back then, I believe NJTP would check the time on your card and possibly cite you for speeding. Nope, they never did that. |
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Bobcat
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join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
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said by NY Tel :This was actually tried on the New Jersey Turnpike about 3 years ago. People were mailed speeding tickets based on travel times between the two points. There was some sort of lawsuit and it was abruptly halted. Wrong. It was NEVER done. In fact, a columnist for the Bergen Record challenged anyone to show him a ticket issued based on E-ZPass timings, and they'd get a free dinner. No one ever presented such a ticket.
There are a number of reasons why this was NEVER done in New Jersey. I can elaborate on them if you're really interested. |
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joyauto
@optonline.net | reply to Midak
Re: [OT] EZ Pass hoax or real?
I performed a search of pending bills in the NY State Senate and Assembly and find nothing about tracking speeders through EZ pass. |
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