| get over it people internet access is a privilege you pay a company to provide, not a right. you don't own the line, the equipment, hold the peering contracts, the providers do. traffic over their connections are only as equal as the providers grant. every major providers TOS clearly states this. don't like it? leave. that's how free markets work. |
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 ronnie
join:2001-02-17
34. N 84.7 W
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internet access is a privilege you pay a company to provide, not a right. you don't own the line, the equipment, hold the peering contracts, the providers do. traffic over their connections are only as equal as the providers grant. every major providers TOS clearly states this. don't like it? leave. that's how free markets work.
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ronnie
join:2001-02-17
34. N 84.7 W Reviews:
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said by JasonD :
internet access is a privilege you pay a company to provide, not a right. you don't own the line, the equipment, hold the peering contracts, the providers do. traffic over their connections are only as equal as the providers grant. every major providers TOS clearly states this. don't like it? leave. that's how free markets work.
Kinda like the "unlimited" internet access that really isn't "unlimited", those TOS are the ones you are talking about?
That is why we have the court system. |
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 MadcapPiercing GuruPremium
join:2004-06-26
Kenosha, WI | reply to JasonD
And to think we share a first name. *shakes his head*
You all seem to have little to no knowledge of the legal uses for sure technology. Let me drop one that get through to the kiddies.
World of Warcraft patches via p2p networking. So when you say "OMGZ mah patch iz slow!" Thank Sandvine.
For the cultured and up and coming,
Free artists and movie makers, as well as software companies that deploy hot fix patches using this protocol are basically shut out. It's well noted that in MANY areas there is not much competition against Comcast, so they can't just "leave it".
Back under your rocks people. Everything from snail mail to passing dvds in class can be used to pirate and steal. You're really, really going to have to get over your "p2p is just for thieves" attitudes. |
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dynodbPremium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN | reply to JasonD
And you can point to a section of their TOS that specifically states that they do this? Why the coverup by Comcast?
I agree that they have the right to do this- but they also have the responsibility to be open about it so that customers can choose services accordingly. If the ability to P2P unhindered is important to some people, they should have the right to know if Comcast is actively hindering BT traffic and take that into account when choosing a service provider. |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | reply to JasonD
said by JasonD :
internet access is a privilege you pay a company to provide, not a right. you don't own the line, the equipment, hold the peering contracts, the providers do. traffic over their connections are only as equal as the providers grant. every major providers TOS clearly states this. don't like it? leave. that's how free markets work.
Unfortunately your argument is exactly the reason some people think the public should own the line. Those lines already cross our public rights of way and if each line was leased to more than one provider by the public there could be even more competition. |
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 morboComplete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000 | what you said may lead to an onslaught of "guv'ment is bad!" posts. prepare thyself. |
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 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2
 ·Clear Wireless
1 edit | reply to dynodb
said by dynodb:Why the coverup by Comcast? That is a good question. I can't see any reason for Comcast to be withdrawn about this, especially considering they took the time to spell it out as something they don't condone in their Terms of Service. Under Prohibited Uses and Activities, item #14:
run programs, equipment, or servers from the Premises that provide network content or any other services to anyone outside of your Premises LAN (Local Area Network), also commonly referred to as public services or servers. Examples of prohibited services and servers include, but are not limited to, e-mail, Web hosting, file sharing, and proxy services and servers; Edit: Link to Terms of Use: »www6.comcast.net/terms/use/ |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | reply to morbo
I tend to agree with the "guv'ment is bad!" people but the corporate swine feeding at the American consumers' trough sometimes need to be reminded just how fortunate they are. |
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I do agree somewhat. But I pay for 4mb download speed and about 375 kbps upload, I expect that if I so wanted I should be able to use that capacity every second of the day, 24/7. But according to Comcast that isn't the case. |
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I also believe Microsofts Intelligent download service whatever they are calling is is a type of p2p technology being used in windows updates. |
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tlcbob
join:2001-07-11
Harrisburg, PA | reply to JasonD
Ok - I usually side with anti-piracy, but better solutions - like drm free. But - this is off the wall. A privilege??? It is a privilege for YOU to have ME as a customer. It is a UTILITY. Something I pay to use. YOU have a responsibility to sell your product ethically. Which means, when I sign a contract for 2 years, YOU must disclose anything out of what is ordinary in terms of service. I don't use P2P or bit torrent, and I have FIOS anyway, but this is totally illogical. |
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 HangmnDon't Fight It...It's InevitablePremium
join:2000-04-08
Philadelphia, PA | reply to JasonD
said by JasonD :
internet access is a privilege you pay a company to provide, not a right. you don't own the line, the equipment, hold the peering contracts, the providers do. traffic over their connections are only as equal as the providers grant. every major providers TOS clearly states this. don't like it? leave. that's how free markets work.
I take exception to your post the Internet was built on PUBLIC FUNDS including the inter-connects, with monies derived under false pretenses..Bell Atlantic received BILLIONS in concessions to deliver and failed too.
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lordjimPremium
join:2004-03-26
Deerfield, IL | reply to JasonD
Sure ... if it were a free market. It isn't. That's the problem. |
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4 edits | reply to JasonD
WRONG! Internet access has been so 'de-regulated' that in many areas there is BUT ONE BROADBAND PROVIDER! This makes them a DE FACTO MONOPOLY!
These days, the Internet is as important as phone and electricity. It is NOT a 'privilege', it is a NECESSITY!
How would YOU feel if someone in your house had a heart attack and you picked up your phone to call 911 and Comcast's packet shaping trashed your VOIP call? Someone will likely DIE due to this crap. You don't think this can happen? THINK AGAIN!!!
But don't worry, Comcast will go scot free! See, they've buried their "get out of jail" pass somewhere deep in their TOS!
I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND how so many of you are SO IN FAVOR of letting BIG COMPANIES SCREW YOU!!! Are you masochists or morons? |
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tlcbob
join:2001-07-11
Harrisburg, PA | reply to JasonD
Re: get over it people Wow - have never seen so many "guest comcast trolls!" Look at the @comcast.net PR people. |
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