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NOYB
St. John 3.16
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join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR
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In Essence, Practicality, & Reality


Comcast is without notice preventing their customers from fully utilizing the bandwidth of the service that was sold to them and paid for. This is fraud, plain and simple. As such it may even nullify the TOS & Acceptable Use agreements, thereby releasing the customers from abiding by these agreements.

Comcast should walk softly, collectively their customers may have a great deal of capability and power to take matters into their own hands to exact justice in such matters. And quite a poetic justice it may be.


LeftOfSanity
People Suck.

join:2005-11-06
Dover, DE

Re: In Essence, Practicality, & Reality

said by NOYB:


Comcast is without notice preventing their customers from fully utilizing the bandwidth of the service that was sold to them and paid for. This is fraud, plain and simple. As such it may even nullify the TOS & Acceptable Use agreements, thereby releasing the customers from abiding by these agreements.

Comcast should walk softly, collectively their customers may have a great deal of capability and power to take matters into their own hands to exact justice in such matters. And quite a poetic justice it may be.

Again..TOS

telcolackey5
The Truth? You can't handle the truth

join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
said by NOYB:


Comcast is without notice preventing their customers from fully utilizing the bandwidth of the service that was sold to them and paid for.
The customer is violating the ToS (as said by many others), by reselling or sharing the bandwidth that was "sold to them" and not to Bittorrent, World of warcraft, etc. The customer is using p2p not only to download (fine), but to allow the world and businesses to reuse 7x24

NOYB
St. John 3.16
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Re: In Essence, Practicality, & Reality

said by telcolackey5:

The customer is violating the ToS (as said by many others), by reselling or sharing the bandwidth that was "sold to them" and not to Bittorrent, World of warcraft, etc. The customer is using p2p not only to download (fine), but to allow the world and businesses to reuse 7x24
No this is not correct. P2P or BitTorent type applications does not necessarily mean one has to be a provider via Comcast residential service in order to utilize such services provided by others.

telcolackey5
The Truth? You can't handle the truth

join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA

Re: In Essence, Practicality, & Reality

said by NOYB:

]No this is not correct. P2P or BitTorent type applications does not necessarily mean one has to be a provider via Comcast residential service in order to utilize such services provided by others.
Let's not find corner cases or split hairs on this. The entire premise around p2p is to share the upstream you paid for with 3rd party businesses and the file sharing community.

NOYB
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Re: In Essence, Practicality, & Reality

said by telcolackey5:

Let's not find corner cases or split hairs on this. The entire premise around p2p is to share the upstream you paid for with 3rd party businesses and the file sharing community.
I am not the one splitting hairs, and sharing upstream is not the entire premise of applications such as BitTorrent.
jvanbrecht

join:2007-01-08
Bowie, MD
They are not reselling (as there is no money changing hands, or any other incentive like gifts and what not), and as for sharing, well letting someone use your wireless, that is sharing and against the TOS, rebroadcasting traffic, although sharing, is not the same as meant in the TOS. For that matter, use of P2P technology actually saves money, based on that in many cases network remains within the local network rather then traversing peering points and gateway points outside of comcasts network.

Bittorent is being used increasingly in legitimate purposes, Valve uses it for distribution of legally purchased games, Blizzard uses it for World of Warcraft and other games (starcraft updates etc). Many OSS venders us it to distribute ISO's. It spreads out the bandwidth consumption, resulting in faster downloads for the end user, and balanced data consumption across many links

telcolackey5
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Death Valley, CA

Re: In Essence, Practicality, & Reality

said by jvanbrecht:

They are not reselling (as there is no money changing hands, or any other incentive like gifts and what not),
The incentive is the more you allow upload, the better your download is. This is why people leave this running for 3rd parties to use 7x24

said by jvanbrecht:

and as for sharing, well letting someone use your wireless, that is sharing and against the TOS, rebroadcasting traffic, although sharing, is not the same as meant in the TOS.
That is called file-sharing and against almost all TOSs
said by jvanbrecht:

For that matter, use of P2P technology actually saves money, based on that in many cases network remains within the local network rather then traversing peering points and gateway points outside of comcasts network.
Geo-IP is not used and this is not correct. upstream costs are real.

said by jvanbrecht:

Bittorent is being used increasingly in legitimate purposes, Valve uses it for distribution of legally purchased games, Blizzard uses it for World of Warcraft and other games (starcraft updates etc). Many OSS venders us it to distribute ISO's. It spreads out the bandwidth consumption, resulting in faster downloads for the end user, and balanced data consumption across many links
Whether it is ligitimate or not, it is a situation where a 3rd party is allowed to re-use or share the bandwidth that you purchased from the ISP (not the content provider). This increases the infrastructure cost on the ISP and drops the Internet cost of the content provider to $0. I know that content provider love the free nature of the access, but ISPs normally take issue with their increase costs of users running their network connections flat out while they are sleeping and away from home.