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| Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates Belarc Advisor shows I'm missing this security update while Windows Update shows no updates available?
Which one is correct?
This happened the last time I updated Belarc Advisor but forgot about it.
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Hercules, CA | Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates Got any hidden updates? | |
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| This-- KB901936? (Your link wouldn't load for me in Firefox)
»support.microsoft.com/kb/931906
If so, unless you're running BizTalk Server 2004, I'd say Microsoft has it right and Belarc is in error. | |
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1 edit | Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates said by dadkins  :Got any hidden updates? No hidden updates.
said by AB :This-- KB901936? (Your link wouldn't load for me in Firefox) » support.microsoft.com/kb/931906If so, unless you're running BizTalk Server 2004, I'd say Microsoft has it right and Belarc is in error. No, I'm not running Biztalk but I read a little about CAPICOM and it may have something to do with when I upgraded Mcafee security? When un-installed the older version using Mcafee's removal tool, it removed VBScript runtime and I had to reinstall it. It was right around the same time the Belarc started warning me?
Edit: I should have read further, Capicom is not available in XP
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| Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates So you're saying that KB901936 is the correct number that Belarc is warning you about?
If so, again, I'd have to say that they have it wrong and Windows Update has it right.
What OS are you running? If you're just a regular user, I can't see where CAPICOM has any use for you.
There's an XML Core Services update, but apparently you already have that if you needed it.
»www.microsoft.com/technet/securi···042.mspx
Belarc is just a tool-- a reference. It's been wrong before.
Whether or not it is this time for you, I don't know-- but it sounds like it may be. | |
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| Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates XP, regular user.
I should have researched a little more before posting. I know now that Belarc is warning me about a security update for software I do not have on my machine.
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| Dolphins,
your statement that CAPICOM is not available for Windows XP is incorrect. I have it on my WinXPSP2 Home system...actually there are three (!) copies of the essential bit, capicom.dll. I am not aware that any of them has been used, but the DLL is there. I got the update KB931906 by automatic updates in the May patch Tuesday 2007 episode. | |
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| Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates said by pudelein :Dolphins, your statement that CAPICOM is not available for Windows XP is incorrect. I have it on my WinXPSP2 Home system...actually there are three (!) copies of the essential bit, capicom.dll. I am not aware that any of them has been used, but the DLL is there. I got the update KB931906 by automatic updates in the May patch Tuesday 2007 episode. You're right, it's one of the May updates. Info about what it is and where it may have come from is here:
»www.microsoft.com/technet/securi···028.mspx
I also have XP Home SP2 and do not have that .dll on my system.
It's not supposed to have anything to do with XP that I can see, other than it may have been included as part of some SDK Redistributable, or perhaps tagged along with some VBS or .NET app.
If the .dll version is 2.1.01 or lower, then the update is necessary. | |
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| Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates said by pudelein :Dolphins, your statement that CAPICOM is not available for Windows XP is incorrect. I have it on my WinXPSP2 Home system...actually there are three (!) copies of the essential bit, capicom.dll. I am not aware that any of them has been used, but the DLL is there. I got the update KB931906 by automatic updates in the May patch Tuesday 2007 episode. You right, I got Capicom.dll in system32 folder. Now why does MS have conflicting web pages concerning this?
said by AB :You're right, it's one of the May updates. Info about what it is and where it may have come from is here: » www.microsoft.com/technet/securi···028.mspxI also have XP Home SP2 and do not have that .dll on my system. It's not supposed to have anything to do with XP that I can see, other than it may have been included as part of some SDK Redistributable, or perhaps tagged along with some VBS or .NET app. If the .dll version is 2.1.01 or lower, then the update is necessary. Ok now which one am I supposed to download... CAPICOM or Platform SDK Redistributable: CAPICOM?
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| Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates You could always not download either of them, and set the killbit in the Registry yourself.
Follow the instructions carefully, and back up that Registry key before changing it.
Just a thought.
'No comment' about which I think you should download and install.  | |
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| Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates said by AB :You could always not download either of them, and set the killbit in the Registry yourself. Follow the instructions carefully, and back up that Registry key before changing it. Just a thought. 'No comment' about which I think you should download and install. If I don't resolve this soon, It's off to the chopping block. 
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| Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates said by dolphins :If I don't resolve this soon, It's off to the chopping block. For me, you, or what?
So resolve it. Set that killbit. It's not tough-- just be careful to do it exactly, according to the instructions.
I'm also using a Compaq, btw, and also have an HP printer, yet I don't have that .dll anywhere on my machine. | |
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| Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates "Off to the chopping block" is my way of saying goodbye to Capicom.
I'm having a few cocktails right now and I don't want to do anything stupid, like I have in the past e.g. changing administrator password and not remembering it the next day. 
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| Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates said by dolphins :. . I'm having a few cocktails right now and I don't want to do anything stupid, like I have in the past e.g. changing administrator password and not remembering it the next day. Sounds like the smart play. It'll still be there tomorrow.
And I'll just mention that I'm running the retail version of XP on this machine, not the OEM version that came with it-- for whatever that's worth.
Not that that has anything to do with setting the killbit, or anything else, necessarily. | |
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1 edit | dolphins, you could contact belarc and ask them about the issue.. it there is a problem on their end, bringing it to their attention could help to straighten it out.. | |
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| I agree with redwolfe_98, contact Belarc. They will want to know about this and they will investigate and issue a new version of Belarc Advisor if needed. I have contacted them several times and the support is very capable, courteous, and prompt.
Just send an email to: support@belarc.com
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1 edit | Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates ...or...
there are some left-overs...
some registry keys...
telling Belarc that the software exists..?
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| Further to what I said above about WinXP and CAPICOM: one copy of capicom.dll is indeed in system32, but this was not updated by the May update. A second copy is in some of the HP software that came with a printer I bought in 2005; this copy was also not updated in May. The third, however, which was updated is in %ProgramFiles%\Microsoft CAPICOM 2.1.0.2 and this was created on May 9, 2007 by that update. As I said before, I don't actually think any of these have ever actually been executed. I do not do any of the SDK things they are designed for, but then you never know... | |
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| Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates Hmmm... this is a Compaq machine which is owned by HP?
I got to say though, that I'm pretty sure it all started when Mcafee removal tool deleted VBScript runtime and then I had to reinstall it because of some runtime errors.
I'm confused right now. I need to step back and look at this with new eyes tomorrow.
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| Personally, I'd blame Norton...even if it's not on your system.
This thread on the capicom.dll is a fun read:
»Norton Live Update Issue
Apparently the capicom.dll is a Symantec favorite.
»ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_···adme.htm
If you uninstall Norton Ghost, the capicom.dll file might still appear in the system directory. This is a shared .dll file that is used to perform LiveUpdate for all Symantec products. If you have multiple Symantec products on your computer, or if it is unclear whether the file is needed, it will not be uninstalled. | |
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| Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates said by dolphins :. . Thanks for that rerun of 2004. I will check into this more tomorrow because I believe Norton 90 day trial came with this machine? Still the Mcafee episode is eating me up inside. I am currently testing Comcast's free Mcafee Security and I'm almost sure is what caused this? McAfee, Symantec-- what's the difference? A turd by any other name . . . . | |
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| Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates I remember the days when those 2 were top of the heap, king of the hill, "A" number one. 
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| Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates said by dolphins :I remember the days when those 2 were top of the heap, king of the hill, "A" number one. That's right. Things change. | |
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| Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates said by AB :said by dolphins :I remember the days when those 2 were top of the heap, king of the hill, "A" number one. That's right. Things change. And it all started with Symantec firing all their USA techs and moving to DRM.
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Westville, NJ | Re: Belarc Advisor / Missing Security Updates Aha!
Thanks for the rerun, my memory isn't what it used to be. | |
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| I can now confirm that one route through which capicom.dll can sneak into the system32 folder and remain there till found is via Symantec software. The copy that I had (version 2.0.0.3) was created 01/08/2004, modified 01/02/2004, last accessed 11/15/2005. I used Norton Antivirus until about August 2005. On 01/08/2004, Symantec LiveUpdate downloaded an update to LiveReg, one of the Norton components. The copy of capicom.dll was certainly delivered at that time. There could possibly have been a copy of an earlier version before that, but version 2.0.0.3 already existed in early 2003, as shown by the copy of capicom.dll that accompanied my HP printer software. I am sure there are other vectors also. Symantec should not have stored the thing in system32; it should have been in a private folder where it could be removed by an uninstaller. Just junk programming, I guess! | |
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