Jeffrey
too dark too early
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join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
clubs:
 ·Optimum Online
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Vonage
·magicjack.com
| Waiting for the anti-Vonage fan boys...
"Stick a fork in 'em, they're done."
Vonage has survived so far, will be interesting to see what happens here. Who knows if the AT&T suit even has merit.
For me, I'm staying put until the dial-tone is no more. 
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Hazeleyze
join:2003-05-09
Wauseon, OH | You ask me they're all acting like a bunch of two year olds.
"Mommy, he took that from me!" |
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
Premium
join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
clubs:
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FIOS
·Vonage
·magicjack.com
| said by Hazeleyze  :You ask me they're all acting like a bunch of two year olds. "Mommy, he took that from me!" That's big business for you. Can't beat e'm?...Sue the shit out of them.
Vonage has been or is in the process of being sued by four companies..
Sprint (settled)
AT&T (new)
Verizon (ongoing)
Klausner Technologies (settled)
I'd like the see the lawyer bills Vonage is paying.
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"When you get lost in your imaginatory vagueness, your foresight becomes a nimble vagrant."
[blog] - I don't have to like Bush to love my country. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | You don't have bills when their staffed. Its cheaper that way.  We'll staffed and salaried --- no over time. |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
·Cox VOIP
·Skype
·Cox HSI
 ·AT&T Southeast
·magicjack.com
| said by hottboiinnc :You don't have bills when their staffed. Its cheaper that way. We'll staffed and salaried --- no over time. Apparently, Vonage needs better lawyers. 
Or, they could get rid of that moron Citron. 
Vonage is dying a slow death. Wonder when it becomes a penny stock and the full laughing stock that IPO really is? 
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Saving the world keeps me busy. However, I find Earth very primitive from my home planet of Krypton.
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
Premium
join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
clubs:
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FIOS
·Vonage
·magicjack.com
| I wouldn't call Citron a moron. I'd call him a bit shrewed, but he's definitely no moron.
I don't think Vonage is dying a slow death. I'm very aware that your experience with Vonage was less than desired (probably because you weren't quite sure how to troubleshoot your issues), but I think to call them a laughing stock is a bit far fetched.
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"When you get lost in your imaginatory vagueness, your foresight becomes a nimble vagrant."
[blog] - I don't have to like Bush to love my country. |
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jester121
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Somebody a little long? |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
| reply to Jeffrey
said by Jeffrey :said by Hazeleyze :You ask me they're all acting like a bunch of two year olds. "Mommy, he took that from me!" That's big business for you. Can't beat e'm?...Sue the shit out of them. Vonage has been or is in the process of being sued by four companies.. Sprint (settled) AT&T (new) Verizon (ongoing) Klausner Technologies (settled) I'd like the see the lawyer bills Vonage is paying. Well, in following this Vonage thing, I seem to think it's more like "Can't comeup with our own ways to do business, lets steal someone else's and see if they notice". I don't recall seeing Vonage doing any R&D to come up with their own VoIP model so there you have it. Did people think the people who put millions into the technology to sit back, bleed customers and grin and bare it? Sprint did the right thing, VZ and AT&T are being stupid but it could be VZ being left without a chair to sit on. I'm sure there was no pitty party for AOL when they felt that after all the money was spent by cable's build out and upgrades, they should be able to ride someone elses coax for free or on the cheep. It never happened (gee I wonder why?). Vonage screwed up, plain and simple. They didn't do their homework to ensure they were not stepping on someones toes or as it's perceived, just didn't care. Why are all the big telcos the bad guy when this is standard practice? |
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hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| As for AOL sitting and riding for free? The only network they were on was RoadRunner; which is owned by Time Warner. Who owns Time Warner Cable. Either way TWC/TW was making money.
The wholesale model of the last mile might not make them a whole lot of money but either way their not losing a customer. The LMP is actually keeping the customers. And actually at a reduced rate; no tech support, no trouble shooting for them. NOTHING but maybe billing the actual customer. and then writing a check to the ISP for their part of the revenue. It would actually make sense to build a network and then lease/wholesale it instead of operating it yourself. you don't have to deal directly with the customers. saves a ton of $$$$$ in support and customer service especially if you don't bill for the ISP either. |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
| This had nothing to do with TWC only. I recall they lobbied congress/FCC to force cable to open access so they could let the customer buy a front end from them. Sorta like when Sprint, Talk America and MIC bought blocks of phone lines from SBC (AKA AT&T) and resell them to me and you. Once new fees were allowed to be charged to these "renters" of the copper, customers didn't see much savings so they bailed. It wasn't like AOL was going to it for free (sorry if that's what it sounded like) but they wanted free access to resell the "last mile" to the end user. People are just pissed because they were getting something for cheap and now the very people they ran from are lowering the hammer on the likes of Vonage, they are not happy and think Vonage isn't doing anything wrong. If you walk into a unlocked store and take something without paying for it, that means leaving the store and giving it or selling it for a cheaper price to someone who doesn't want to pay full price, it's stealing. Plane and simple. So, no pity for vonage or it's users. I'm just glad I jumped off Sunrockets train before it crashed. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| AOL was not the one that lobbied for open access. it was another ISP that was the full steam boat for that out in Cali. Why would AOL want to do that when they had all of the TWC lines for that. Also you don't wholesale for free. you actually PAY for the lines. So does the End-User and as far as AT$T charging what they want and crying over the copper network; that network should be open and left open and intact. They did not pay for that network themselves like the cable companies did. AT&T and VZ used the government to give them their service areas and customers they have today. If it wasn't for the gov't giving tax credits and everything else to them we wouldn't have had a telephone network when it came out. Hell even with the gov't protecting them we still aren't what other countries have in terms of communications and internet. The copper lines should be turned over to a different company and let them wholesale them out to anyone they want if the bells want to go into the FTTC or FTTP. The only thing the bells should get is to rebuild their entire network all over again; its not like they don't have the money; VZ is doing it so why can't AT$T?
And just for the record- MCI still does offer services over AT$T and VZ Lines; under the MCI brand. |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
1 edit | But TWC isn't everywhere. I knew only of AOL since they seem to be the name everyone relates to. In my area, it's Comcast, WOW, AT&T, and I think there was a article in the paper about it. But anyway.. it never fails that when customers benefits, they (the consumer) seem to think it's ok for another provider to erode on other providers right-of-way, programing, infrastructure and R&D. Sorta like a dog circling the table hoping for a scrap to fall from the table. I'm not knocking Vonage as a service, just they and it's customers need to understand that what they were doing wasn't right and are now paying the price, as they should have from the get go. That's why I said Sprint did the smart thing and cut them some slack. The others should too. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| The thing though is with Vonage though some of the patents that VZ says they own were open source at one time. And Vonage seen that they were open source so used them. You shouldnt be able to take something that is open source and throw your name on it and say its yours when you didnt develop it. And on top that of VZ never developed the items anyway. they were MCI's. VZ only got them because of the merger of VZ Business and MCI.
Once open source always open source. Someone shouldnt be able to claim its theres regardless of what happened. Really the only one that should be able to claim anything is the Bell Labs may have some say in it. But then again There is not a Bell Labs anymore. What was Lucent is now some other company (can't remember their name but their name is attached to VZW's ads in news papers). But still. VZ, Sprint, and ATT shouldnt be doing this just to put them out of business like they want to or to claim something is there's because they stamped the Bell name all over it but even then Sprint never was a bell and don't think they even developed anything.
Vonage really isnt paying a price but dragging them through court. Vonage will always be here until either they can't survive because of the bells or the Cable Co's but either way someone would buy them up. Prolly even Packet8 since they have no dependency on the bell$ for technology. |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI | Agree. |
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