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 knightmbEverybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN | said by supergirl:All talk and little action. The only people that care what they think is BBReports. Many others care, but we are kind of at the mercy of the ISP. I guess yet another class action lawsuit by residential customers? Has anyone confirmed if this affects business customers, I haven't seen it yet and I know I would be a target with my BT client running 24/7 365 like it does. |
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| said by knightmb:Many others care, but we are kind of at the mercy of the ISP.... that's exactly the point - my only choice of provider is comcast. My choices are put up with it or not have broadband.
there is no market competition to discipline this kind of behaviour. If customers could go to another provider, comcast might think twice about doing this.
the solution is market competition or regulation, neither of which is going to happen anytime soon, so suck it up and live with it. |
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| I still, to this day, do not get you people. You say it yourselves......you do have a choice. keep the service, or don't. Both have consequences associated with them. I cannot wait for the day americans are no longer allowed to bitch just for the sake of bitching(pipe dream). |
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 jgkoltPremium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH | reply to supergirl
I see you dont care until it affects you. I agree they should step up to the plate and tackle this before it gets too big.
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 Jodokast96Stupid people really piss me off.Premium
join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
kudos:2 | reply to human1137
What does people having a choice have to do with what Comcast is doing? Nothing. |
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said by human1137 :
I still, to this day, do not get you people. You say it yourselves......you do have a choice. keep the service, or don't. Both have consequences associated with them. I cannot wait for the day americans are no longer allowed to bitch just for the sake of bitching(pipe dream).
If I had to resources to build my own network I would do that, however, since I don't have the resources I am at mercy of the companies that provide these services.
I have two main choices in my area and have picked the better of the two, IMHO, but my current provider is far from perfect. I "bitch" all the time and sometimes things do get better, sometimes they don't. My point is that if everyone followed your pipe dream example, nothing would ever change for the greater good. |
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actually that is incorrect. it means everything. if they limit traffic that you request, & that is not something you want done with your connection......then you drop them as a provider, & find another one that gives you what you want....or do without. |
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Jodokast96Stupid people really piss me off.Premium
join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
kudos:2 | No, it means nothing. Whether one chooses Comcast or another company has no bearing at all on Comcasts actions being wrong. I made my choice, I chose Verizon. Comcasts actions are still wrong. One has nothing to do with the other. Try again. |
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Actually if you truly understood the power of customers in a free market, you would see it is totally do-able, & the greater good could be achieved. If customers on the whole are unhappy with widgets & just stopped buying them(even if you only had one choice for a provider), that provider would have to adjust their business model or fail. |
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| In a perfect world, your example would work. However, this is a far from perfect world. |
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You have the mistaken impression that broadband access IS a free market. It's not. It's highly regulated. Comcast holds a government-granted monopoly or duopoly on broadband internet access in many areas, as granted and controlled by local and state municipal governments.
Some of these areas could be serviced by wireless access providers. Alas, this is also not a free market, as radio broadcast signals are regulated by the FCC. |
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You sound like one of those "it's either black or white" people. While I agree with you to a certain extent, it is not possible for me to go without totally. I need "high speed" internet of some kind. I have high expectations for a lot of things in my life and if I waited until business caught up with my expectations then I'd still be without, while others surpassed me.
Life just isn't as black and white as you put it...
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| I apologize. not black & white, just going there to save time. But you have finally hit the nail on the head with something like this, or anything mega-corporations do. You "NEED" it.....effectively handing over the power of the customer to companies. Because people just cant do without it. They just don't know how they lived without it(& we don't need to cover the quality of life position, etc, etc). & that's where the invisible caps come from....the vague tos's....lawsuits to dead people downloading songs....driving a trailer grandma to go thor in some local office....because we hand our power over to them. this issue(& every other issue) would last one afternoon if the people took the power back. we've seen it.....this site, because of its members, wields some power in getting answers & companies to back peddle. now just imagine if every comcast customer got po'd |
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said by human1137 :
I cannot wait for the day americans are no longer allowed to bitch just for the sake of bitching(pipe dream).
The right to bitch is what it means to be an American. If your pipe dream were to come true, that would imply that major freedoms have been taken away. American bitching has lead to some great things. |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5
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And what exactly do you want the EFF to do? Some battles are worth fighting in the courts and they have a history of doing so. Other battles would be pointless as there isn't anything legally wrong under current laws with what the other party is doing. That is the case here. Yes it does set a "dangerous precedent" (although I think "dangerous prescient" is a little too strong) about an ISP deliberatively stifling competition by forging communication packets. But I also believe that Comcast is a business and they somewhat have a right to protect their busienss interests.
The compromise that I would like to see is that an ISP would not have the right to negatively impact 3rd party traffic but they would be allowed to give priority to their own traffic. |
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