 TDNickellPremium,MVM
join:2006-09-26
Federal Way, WA | Come clean,Comcast! I have used,Comcast as my ISP for many years now,and i have always been what you would call Pro-Comcast.
I have never used any P2P programs and never will so i don't have a problem with what they are doing with the traffic shaping.
My problem with this,as many others is the spin Comcast is using. 
They just need to come clean,because it's starting to remind me of "Watergate".  |
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 RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | Who's to say comcast isn't telling the truth? |
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| said by Rick:Who's to say comcast isn't telling the truth? John Wireshark and Betty Ethereal, along with their old buddy George Tcpdump. |
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said by Rick:Who's to say comcast isn't telling the truth? Comcast can't even get their stories straight.
Email from a CSR:
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We do not block access to any P2P (Peer To Peer) applications, including BitTorrent. We respect our customers' privacy and don't monitor specific customer activities on the Internet, or track individual online behavior, such as which websites are visited. Therefore, we do not know whether any individual user is visiting BitTorrent or any other site.
Additionally, Comcast does not "throttle" bandwidth (limit throughput on the network). Comcast also is not traffic shaping or packet shaping.
Now, here is what was said to a conference call to reporters:
quote:
The company held a conference call today with reporters to address the AP's report, insisting to us that they're "delaying," not blocking, BitTorrent traffic.
So who is telling the truth? |
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said by Rick:Who's to say comcast isn't telling the truth? Everybody who uses bittorrent? |
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 ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4
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said by Rick:Who's to say comcast isn't telling the truth? Funny, I just was trading email with a friend of mine who was complaining about his Comcast connection dropping his torrents. Sent him a few links to the news here in the past few days, now he knows why. |
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RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | reply to madrhino
So, let me get this straight. Because some crappy A$$ bittorent connection loses connection, it's suddenly Comcast who is doing it?
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Kernersville, NC Reviews:
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1 edit | said by Rick:So, let me get this straight. Because some crappy A$$ bittorent connection loses connection, it's suddenly Comcast who is doing it? Are you seriously trying to suggest, with a straight face, that all of this is a figment of everyone's imagination and it is crappy bittorrent clients causing all of this outrage? |
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ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 Reviews:
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said by Rick:So, let me get this straight. Because some crappy A$$ bittorent connection loses connection, it's suddenly Comcast who is doing it? Please tell me that with all of this press and quoted statements by Comcast saying they are "delaying" packets you are saying that Comcast is doing nothing to mess with it? |
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emptywigHuh? What?Premium
join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX | reply to Rick
Its not just Bit Torrent that suffers. I don't use BT, but I do purchase legitimate streaming videos, and the connections get reset every few minutes. As a result, its nearly unbearable to watch the streams that I have paid for, over the connection I paid for. (These are 128k streams, too, nothing monstrous or bandwidth-sucking.)
This never happened before Comcast took over here.
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RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | reply to Cod
said by Cod:said by Rick:So, let me get this straight. Because some crappy A$$ bittorent connection loses connection, it's suddenly Comcast who is doing it? Are you seriously trying to suggest, with a straight face, that all of this is a figment of everyone's imagination and it is crappy bittorrent clients causing all of this outrage? All this outrage? I have no personal knowledge of anyone losing their connections due to this issue.
What I do see often however is a group here on BBR posting that they somehow believe that comcast should be giving them anything they want even if it means 400 gigs a month of access and is a detriment to the rest of us.
And, I also see BBR posting about this on a daily basis as if defending their actions over the rest of us who use the service for legitimate purposes.
Comcast and other isp's should be out to preserve and protect their networks for the 95% of us who use the service as we should, not for the rest who harm us all.
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Sadly, Bit Torrent isn't just for P2P file sharing. I use it to grab Linux distrobutions. Everytime a new release comes out the servers get saturated. This is perfect for Bit Torent because you get high through put.
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said by Rick:Who's to say comcast isn't telling the truth? RTFA. Comcast denied the BW throttling until getting caught by the AP...then they admitted to doing it.
»Comcast 'Delaying' Not 'Blocking' Traffic |
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said by Rick:So, let me get this straight. Because some crappy A$$ bittorent connection loses connection, it's suddenly Comcast who is doing it? No, because Comcast themselves admitted to doing it (in the conference call with the press a few days ago), they're doing it. |
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I use BT and see the effects, yet my monthly totals have never exceeded 75Gb a month (usually averaging closer to 50-60Gb/mo). Some power users claim they do nothing but gaming and other legitmate DLs and reach 300-400Gb per month and have received the dreaded call. In any case, your assumption that BT is the only protocal sucking up bandwidth and that of course it must all be illegal seems to be problematic. I may be a higher than the average Comcast user, but I find it impossible to think I'm seriously impeding my neighbor's internet with my volume. I've also downloaded perfectly legit content such as Open Office and promotional materials (released only on BT) from media companies via BT. I have family across the globe, and I can tell you that sending a few video clips and photos to Australia, Hong Kong, etc. (including friends across countries) can easily eat up quite a few Gbs of data. |
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RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | I don't think that 75Gb/month is all that unreasonable and never have I seen any user say that Comcast had a problem with it either.
the problems start around 300gB..and that is unreasonable to expect from a residential connection.
As for your issue with BT and your supposedly "seeing the effects of this"..again..there is nothing to say that "this" is what is causing it.
People have long complained about many issues relating to connecting via those methods that long preceeded this and to say that it's now somehow comcast that is doing it is a bit unfair and unreasonable.
It's also very fair to say that the vast majority of bit torrent use is to DL and UL copyrighted information. And that is illegal..and nothing that should be supported by comcast anyway.
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said by Rick:So, let me get this straight. Because some crappy A$$ bittorent connection loses connection, it's suddenly Comcast who is doing it? They admitted it to the press. |
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Rick on a lot of things about ATT's Uverse I agree with you on.. but this? There's no defense here. Comcast got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and it was repeatable and provable.
People here are simply asking that Comcast be honest with it's users and not try to dance around issues. In this case they are purposly targeting a Peer to Peer application's functionality. Instead of being honest with the public over the practice, we're having a debate over the meaning of traffic shaping.
Yea, on this... you're looking kinda lap boyish. |
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 MarkyDPremium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK | reply to Rick
said by Rick:So, let me get this straight. Because some crappy A$$ bittorent connection loses connection, it's suddenly Comcast who is doing it? your ignorance and cable fanboyism knows no bounds, Ricky Poo! |
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said by Rick:Who's to say comcast isn't telling the truth? They also admit to doing it in their own FAQ
»www.comcast.net/help/faq/index.j···ttempt=1 |
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