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1 edit | If running a business, then email should be own domain ... ... and when switching ISPs, then there is no issue about forwarding at all.
What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding how an ISP runs their business on a day to day basis and how they manage email access.
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by TKJunkMail  :... and when switching ISPs, then there is no issue about forwarding at all. What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding how an ISP runs their business on a day to day basis and how they manage email access. Is that an official or unofficial statement of comcast and other affiliated isp
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by 81399672 :said by TKJunkMail :... and when switching ISPs, then there is no issue about forwarding at all. What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding how an ISP runs their business on a day to day basis and how they manage email access. Is that an official or unofficial statement of comcast and other affiliated isp Why not give up on the constant replies to my posts that suggest I work for Comcast or some other provider. As I've said here many times, I NEVER worked for a telecom or cable company and I am now retired. So my opinions are my own and not purchased as you continually imply. But I guess when you have nothing to say that is the best you can do as a form of discourse.
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by 81399672 :If you do not work for any of them, why are you always defending any and all of them. Be it RIAA, comcast or any other company period. I haven't seen you post against them, it's always to defend them. As result it's clearly demonstrates that you get some type of benefit by posting such comments He has a right to an opinion, same as you do. Just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean he's working for somebody. For what its worth, I usually agree with him in part or in whole as well, and I'm not "working" for anybody. For my part, I simply don't like the idea of running to Washington to solve problems that don't exist. If this lady was so reliant on her AOL e-mail for business, then that's her own fault.
Besides, anybody remember the last time the US Postal Service won any awards for outstanding delivery?
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1 edit | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by 81399672 :If you do not work for any of them, why are you always defending any and all of them. Be it RIAA, comcast or any other company period. I haven't seen you post against them, it's always to defend them. As result it's clearly demonstrates that you get some type of benefit by posting such comments Should I assume that you work for a law firm since you are always wanting to take someone to court or sue for damages ?
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by JSRoman :said by 81399672 :If you do not work for any of them, why are you always defending any and all of them. Be it RIAA, comcast or any other company period. I haven't seen you post against them, it's always to defend them. As result it's clearly demonstrates that you get some type of benefit by posting such comments Should I assume that you work for a law firm since you are always wanting to take someone to court or sue? If you actually read my comments you would see that i do not always say sue or take them to court. Also i say it in general way when i say sue etc, tch is always anit consumer, and pro business etc. | |
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Chicago, IL | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... In my world...all "miffed aol users" shall be treated equal, and have all of the rights granted by the constitution!
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Chicago, IL | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... Whats wrong with being pro-business?
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by S_engineer :Whats wrong with being pro-business? Nothing!!, except when you are totally pro business and not objective about it | |
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... Nothing he said made him non-objective....he made a point about this entitlement attitude that alot of people carry nowadays. There was nothing in his response that should have been deleted or to make him look non-objective.
By censoring his position...who looks non-objective now?
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| said by S_engineer :Whats wrong with being pro-business? pro business = corruption = greed = less power
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Chicago, IL | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... antibusiness=hand outs=socialism=no power
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by S_engineer :antibusiness=hand outs=socialism=no power you can be anti business and not expect handouts.
Dont know where you got that from.
Do you really equate anti-business to socialism?
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Chicago, IL | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... you can be anti business and not expect handouts.
Dont know where you got that from.
Why would you want to be anti business?
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Chicago, IL | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... And all of this started with a "Miffed AOL user"...geez
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| said by hopeflicker :Do you really equate anti-business to socialism? I would suggest you read "Das Kapital" by Karl Marx, (Capital in English) and then re-evaluate this statement.
It's TOUGH to read though, and very boring.....
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by maartena :It's TOUGH to read though, and very boring..... I always recommend it. It is best to know your enemy.
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| said by S_engineer :Whats wrong with being pro-business? Because "pro-business" often turns into "anti-consumer". So much of what business wants is not good for the consumer. Supporting that means you would be supporting hurting the consumer.
Sometimes the interests of the consumer and the business are the same, most of the time they are not.
Of course, in the case of this article... The consumer is an idiot. ISPs have never forwarded mail and if the so called "business person" in the story had a clue, they would have purchased email hosting with a domain. | |
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by checkthis :said by S_engineer :Whats wrong with being pro-business? Because "pro-business" often turns into "anti-consumer". So much of what business wants is not good for the consumer. Supporting that means you would be supporting hurting the consumer. Sometimes the interests of the consumer and the business are the same, most of the time they are not. Of course, in the case of this article... The consumer is an idiot. ISPs have never forwarded mail and if the so called "business person" in the story had a clue, they would have purchased email hosting with a domain. well said
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| said by checkthis :
ISPs have never forwarded mail and if the so called "business person" in the story had a clue, they would have purchased email hosting with a domain.
I've had ISPs leave my email address active (sometimes for a small "hosting" fee) when I canceled my connectivity account. Since AoL is FREE (you only pay if you want to use them as your connectivity provider) as well as the Email being accessable via WebMail or IMAP (and POP) with SMTP Servers to send email, you can use ANY ISP for connectivity to your AoL Email without needing to use AoL as your connectivity provider (or even use the AoL software in Location=TCP mode). I do not know how her account got canceled.
I also agree that Business related Email should have been handled via a Private Domain ($10/year or less) with under $44/year Hosting (email hosting can be gotten for your private domain in the $10-15/year range I think). | |
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by RARPSL :said by checkthis :
ISPs have never forwarded mail and if the so called "business person" in the story had a clue, they would have purchased email hosting with a domain.
I've had ISPs leave my email address active (sometimes for a small "hosting" fee) when I canceled my connectivity account. Since AoL is FREE (you only pay if you want to use them as your connectivity provider) as well as the Email being accessable via WebMail or IMAP (and POP) with SMTP Servers to send email, you can use ANY ISP for connectivity to your AoL Email without needing to use AoL as your connectivity provider (or even use the AoL software in Location=TCP mode). I do not know how her account got canceled. I also agree that Business related Email should have been handled via a Private Domain ($10/year or less) with under $44/year Hosting (email hosting can be gotten for your private domain in the $10-15/year range I think). also as a business atleast imo a domain looks a bit more professional. even if you dont have much for a site(ive seen some with just a front page telling what they do and then a contact page with email, snailmail and tel.
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| said by 81399672 :Also i say it in general way when i say sue etc, tch is always anit consumer, and pro business etc. Anti-crime and anti-theft doesn't mean anti-consumer. | |
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| said by 81399672 :said by JSRoman :said by 81399672 :If you do not work for any of them, why are you always defending any and all of them. Be it RIAA, comcast or any other company period. I haven't seen you post against them, it's always to defend them. As result it's clearly demonstrates that you get some type of benefit by posting such comments Should I assume that you work for a law firm since you are always wanting to take someone to court or sue? If you actually read my comments you would see that i do not always say sue or take them to court. Also i say it in general way when i say sue etc, tch is always anit consumer, and pro business etc. And you are always anti-business and pro government intrusion. I have to agree with the others. People around here assume that when you take a stance, you must be in their back pocket. That can't be any further from the truth.
Why take everything into the court or to DC? What happens if I don't like someone's Christmas decorations, should I always run to the government and petition them to stop it?
EVERYONE is not going to always agree - EVER. But, simply because we don't agree doesn't give us the right to sue or petition or legalize/or illegalize everything to get our own way.
In this story at hand, this is a pure example of 1) a possible mistake, 2) poor planning on the part of the AOL customer, 3) see #2.
Personal responsibility is at play here.
ANYONE who says email is the sole conduit for their business is a fool for a business owner. Her email couldn't have been THAT important to her in the first place. How long was it down for? If it's so important, she would have been sitting on that email all day long checking it. When it went down, why didn't she contact AOL?
ANYONE that has ever had AOL knows one thing - if your service is discontinued, all you have to do is simply sign back in and it will ask you to re-activate your account.
How could this person have lost so much revenue? Was it down for days? Then her email couldn't have been that important - I would have had it back up and running quickly. Or, she really doesn't use her email that much, the business is failing and she is looking for another revenue source ...
This story reminds me of the handicap person that goes up and down a street in their wheelchair looking for businesses with out handicap accessible restrooms and then suing them for damages... businesses that they never even patronize in the first place.
Forwarding email is simple... keep the account active for a few months longer and then tell everyone. Why should an ISP have to burden the cost of the forwarding anyway? Most people here should know that there are a lot of wasted resourced on the part of ISPs with user account email boxes sitting at MAX quota because boxes are created, never used, and then fill up taking up disk space.
I agree with TCH - if you are running a business, get a domain and own your own services.. it's under $100 a month AND it is FAR more professional than doing business as "@AOL.COM" , "Yahoo" or "Hotmail" - to which I would NEVER do business with those people anyway.. it tends to lend to their abilities in the first place.
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right here | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... What if I want freedom but no personal responsibility, dammit?
Then I'd be a yuppie? | |
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| said by 81399672 :If you do not work for any of them, why are you always defending any and all of them. Be it RIAA, comcast or any other company period. I haven't seen you post against them, it's always to defend them. As result it's clearly demonstrates that you get some type of benefit by posting such comments He doesn't defend the RIAA, he defends the law.
Government shouldn't be involved in the day to day activities of a company, or of its people. The FCC shouldn't be mandating what an ISP does with an email address of a customer who no longer pays for their service.
If a person is running a business, then they shouldn't be using an @aol.com email, or any ISP email. They should have their own domain. In fact, I would even extend that to everyone; everyone should have their own domain instead of relying on their ISPs email address.
You sure as heck post a lot of nonsense, so that clearly demonstrates you have no idea what you are talking about. | |
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by Rob :If a person is running a business, then they shouldn't be using an @aol.com email, I've seen law firms with an @aol.com e-mail address.
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by Jim Gurd :said by Rob :If a person is running a business, then they shouldn't be using an @aol.com email, I've seen law firms with an @aol.com e-mail address. Scary. It's not uncommon, at least down here, to see @aol or @bellsouth e-mail addresses printed on vans for small businesses. | |
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| said by Jim Gurd :I've seen law firms with an @aol.com e-mail address. I have seen em with a HOTMAIL address. And yes, I skip businesses with hotmail addresses or the likes, and move on to the next google hit.
It just doesn't look professional. And with domain hosting being CHEAP as DIRT, why shouldn't you have your own domain for your business? You probably will have paid for an entire year of hosting if you can reel in just ONE client more. | |
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| said by Jim Gurd :said by Rob :If a person is running a business, then they shouldn't be using an @aol.com email, I've seen law firms with an @aol.com e-mail address. This is true.. but show me one business consultant that will agree with that practice... 
I deal with MANY attorney's and the few that actually do have those addresses want to dump them either because they sparked the right combination of brain cells together, or they finally were told at a business seminar to dump the "service" domain.
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... said by TKJunkMail :said by 81399672 :said by TKJunkMail :... and when switching ISPs, then there is no issue about forwarding at all. What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding how an ISP runs their business on a day to day basis and how they manage email access. Is that an official or unofficial statement of comcast and other affiliated isp Why not give up on the constant replies to my posts that suggest I work for Comcast or some other provider. As I've said here many times, I NEVER worked for a telecom or cable company and I am now retired. So my opinions are my own and not purchased as you continually imply. But I guess when you have nothing to say that is the best you can do as a form of discourse. I remember the days when I used to be a RIAA shill because I would be for prosecuting people who infringe on copyright. Mainly because I have intellectual property and have seen companies and individuals use it without my permission. This is the same thing. People see you speak up on behalf of a company, and they think you are a shill. *shakes head* | |
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| said by 81399672 :Is that an official or unofficial statement of comcast and other affiliated isp My opinions are currently free, however, I have a standing offer to any business that wishes to compensate me for the purposes of shilling for them.
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| As I've posted before, our dear friend is actually a virtual identity created and operated by the pro-government propaganda unit of the Department of Homeland Security. That's my explanation anyway...because I can't come up with any other way to explain away his oblique viewpoints.
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| said by TKJunkMail :What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding We don't need governmente at all, if you were to have your way, except of course to ensure that individual liberties and rights are kept to a minimum while power is concentrated in the hands of corporations.
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... And is that wrong? The government has more than overstepped its boundaries. It's involved in so many aspects of technology that it doesn't need to be. Why the hell is the government making laws regarding ETF's with cell phone carriers? I'm pretty sure I read something about a law in one state where they have to prorate it. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't like what the company has to offer as far as contracts go, just don't use them. Better yet, go the no-contract route, seeing as people are too incompetent to honor a simple cell phone agreement these days.
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| Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... I'd like to be on your side on this, really...I think government has better things to do like education, infrastructure etc. to worry about....but the pendulum has swung too far in the favor of corporations and an urgent re-balancing of the power is needed in the consumer's favor. The free market only works if it's truly free, not rigged to favor a few.
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| said by kapil :... but the pendulum has swung too far in the favor of corporations and an urgent re-balancing of the power is needed in the consumer's favor. All because some woman is too stupid to have her own domain for her business email?
The FCC should send this woman a greeting card with the word "dumbass" printed in big, bold letters as a response to her request.
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| said by CMoore2004 :And is that wrong? The government has more than overstepped its boundaries. I agree 1000000%!!
Why the hell is the government making laws regarding ETF's with cell phone carriers? I'm pretty sure I read something about a law in one state where they have to prorate it. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't like what the company has to offer as far as contracts go, just don't use them. The ONLY reason I will dis-agree with you on this one is that these carriers operate at the pleasure of the general public who in fact own those air waves they use. We the people have a right to dictate how the open airwaves are going to be used. This is one exception where I agree with better handling of regulations. These fees are damn near bordering on usury. In my opinion, they need to go after the bell system who is slowly adding ETF on to standard telephone services as well. (ala Qwest)
I, for one, do stand for less government. I never understood why so many republicans stand up and say they dislike government and then spend so much time and money running to get into it.. and stay, only making it bigger.
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| said by TKJunkMail :... and when switching ISPs, then there is no issue about forwarding at all. What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding how an ISP runs their business on a day to day basis and how they manage email access. Just like how the government shouldn't be involved in the RIAA/MPAA's business, right?
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| said by TKJunkMail :... and when switching ISPs, then there is no issue about forwarding at all. What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding how an ISP runs their business on a day to day basis and how they manage email access. I agree. If you're not capibile of migrating your personal e-mail from one ISP to another, then you really shouldn't be on the computer in the first place. We used to have e-mail from our ISP, but I grew tired of it, and several years ago, I switched everyone (mom, pops, brother, grandfather, myself) to e-mail accounts on my own domain.
I setup the accounts, configured them in Outlook, and gave them 3 months notice to tell family, friends, financial institutions, mailing lists, etc. of their new address. Everything worked great.
If you're a business - and you don't have your own domain name w/ your own email such as name@companyname.com , then I suggest you revaluate your business plan.
Getting the government in here to regulate e-mail like this is something I don't think we need.
What I would have liked is if my alma mater would have kept my school e-mail active for alumni just because, but I am not so lucky. 
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ... I did the same thing in early 2002 and never looked back. Having moved a few times myself, and having other family members change ISPs has really made the one time minor hassle well worth it.
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| Agreed. And, here is another thing that many people don't think about when they cry for uncle sam to bail them out of their own ignorance.
1) Uncle Sam NEVER makes anything simple. They will attempt to attach a ton of garbage to any law they enact.
2) While it may work for a small few ignorant people today, what happens in 10 years when technology has changed and this is all long forgotten? I'll tell ya.. some fresh out of law school idiot attorney will find this now outdated law, have some person agenda to meet (paycheck anyone?) and then start sticking it to ISPs to show everyone what a good attorney he is.
Or, simply put, as usual, outdated laws WILL come back to haunt us all.
There are enough outdated laws on the books that end up biting us in the ass years from now because law makers never clean house - they are, however, good at just making new laws.
The "you must wear a hat to cross the street on a Sunday" law of 1860 has been abused by an over eager Sheriff before in order to take someone in who he had a beef with and wanted a reason to arrest before. (example - but true)
Private industry, in most cases, along with change and society in general, tends to take care of things just fine on their own with out Uncle Sam getting involved.
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| Absolutely ridiculous, these people! Why do we need the government to step in and regulate for something people ought to bloody well do for themselves. There is already such a thing as email-forwarding. And as a so-called business executive she made the poor choice of not following up on her own work and insuring the necessary documents were sent/received, so she would lose money or profit or whatever she's bellyaching about. if something like that was important to me I'd double check, no, TRIPLE check to make sure it's working.. Or in having a back up email account/domain server or as many others have said.
Yes AOL may have screwed up....but you know what? So could ANY OTHER provider. I would really like to know what she does so I can stand over her shoulder and sue her whenever she messes up on the job. Absolutely ridiculous. | |
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| as much as i think certain businesses need more regulation, E-Mail should be your job to handle. first off if you run a business online get a domain(they dont cost that much)second if you dont want to get a domain get a non locational email address with a service like Google's Gmail.
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