zachary1
you talkin' to me?
join:2004-03-07
right here | reply to fiberguy
Re: If running a business, then email should be own domain ...
What if I want freedom but no personal responsibility, dammit?
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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| reply to RARPSL
said by RARPSL  :said by checkthis :
ISPs have never forwarded mail and if the so called "business person" in the story had a clue, they would have purchased email hosting with a domain.
I've had ISPs leave my email address active (sometimes for a small "hosting" fee) when I canceled my connectivity account. Since AoL is FREE (you only pay if you want to use them as your connectivity provider) as well as the Email being accessable via WebMail or IMAP (and POP) with SMTP Servers to send email, you can use ANY ISP for connectivity to your AoL Email without needing to use AoL as your connectivity provider (or even use the AoL software in Location=TCP mode). I do not know how her account got canceled. I also agree that Business related Email should have been handled via a Private Domain ($10/year or less) with under $44/year Hosting (email hosting can be gotten for your private domain in the $10-15/year range I think). also as a business atleast imo a domain looks a bit more professional. even if you dont have much for a site(ive seen some with just a front page telling what they do and then a contact page with email, snailmail and tel.
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RARPSL
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Suffern, NY
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said by checkthis :
ISPs have never forwarded mail and if the so called "business person" in the story had a clue, they would have purchased email hosting with a domain.
I've had ISPs leave my email address active (sometimes for a small "hosting" fee) when I canceled my connectivity account. Since AoL is FREE (you only pay if you want to use them as your connectivity provider) as well as the Email being accessable via WebMail or IMAP (and POP) with SMTP Servers to send email, you can use ANY ISP for connectivity to your AoL Email without needing to use AoL as your connectivity provider (or even use the AoL software in Location=TCP mode). I do not know how her account got canceled.
I also agree that Business related Email should have been handled via a Private Domain ($10/year or less) with under $44/year Hosting (email hosting can be gotten for your private domain in the $10-15/year range I think). |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ
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as much as i think certain businesses need more regulation, E-Mail should be your job to handle. first off if you run a business online get a domain(they dont cost that much)second if you dont want to get a domain get a non locational email address with a service like Google's Gmail.
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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Agreed. And, here is another thing that many people don't think about when they cry for uncle sam to bail them out of their own ignorance.
1) Uncle Sam NEVER makes anything simple. They will attempt to attach a ton of garbage to any law they enact.
2) While it may work for a small few ignorant people today, what happens in 10 years when technology has changed and this is all long forgotten? I'll tell ya.. some fresh out of law school idiot attorney will find this now outdated law, have some person agenda to meet (paycheck anyone?) and then start sticking it to ISPs to show everyone what a good attorney he is.
Or, simply put, as usual, outdated laws WILL come back to haunt us all.
There are enough outdated laws on the books that end up biting us in the ass years from now because law makers never clean house - they are, however, good at just making new laws.
The "you must wear a hat to cross the street on a Sunday" law of 1860 has been abused by an over eager Sheriff before in order to take someone in who he had a beef with and wanted a reason to arrest before. (example - but true)
Private industry, in most cases, along with change and society in general, tends to take care of things just fine on their own with out Uncle Sam getting involved.
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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| reply to CMoore2004
said by CMoore2004 :And is that wrong? The government has more than overstepped its boundaries. I agree 1000000%!!
Why the hell is the government making laws regarding ETF's with cell phone carriers? I'm pretty sure I read something about a law in one state where they have to prorate it. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't like what the company has to offer as far as contracts go, just don't use them. The ONLY reason I will dis-agree with you on this one is that these carriers operate at the pleasure of the general public who in fact own those air waves they use. We the people have a right to dictate how the open airwaves are going to be used. This is one exception where I agree with better handling of regulations. These fees are damn near bordering on usury. In my opinion, they need to go after the bell system who is slowly adding ETF on to standard telephone services as well. (ala Qwest)
I, for one, do stand for less government. I never understood why so many republicans stand up and say they dislike government and then spend so much time and money running to get into it.. and stay, only making it bigger.
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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said by TKJunkMail :said by 81399672 :said by TKJunkMail :... and when switching ISPs, then there is no issue about forwarding at all. What we don't need is government getting in to the business of deciding how an ISP runs their business on a day to day basis and how they manage email access. Is that an official or unofficial statement of comcast and other affiliated isp Why not give up on the constant replies to my posts that suggest I work for Comcast or some other provider. As I've said here many times, I NEVER worked for a telecom or cable company and I am now retired. So my opinions are my own and not purchased as you continually imply. But I guess when you have nothing to say that is the best you can do as a form of discourse. I remember the days when I used to be a RIAA shill because I would be for prosecuting people who infringe on copyright. Mainly because I have intellectual property and have seen companies and individuals use it without my permission. This is the same thing. People see you speak up on behalf of a company, and they think you are a shill. *shakes head* |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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said by Jim Gurd :said by Rob :If a person is running a business, then they shouldn't be using an @aol.com email, I've seen law firms with an @aol.com e-mail address. This is true.. but show me one business consultant that will agree with that practice... 
I deal with MANY attorney's and the few that actually do have those addresses want to dump them either because they sparked the right combination of brain cells together, or they finally were told at a business seminar to dump the "service" domain.
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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| reply to 81399672
said by 81399672 :said by JSRoman :said by 81399672 :If you do not work for any of them, why are you always defending any and all of them. Be it RIAA, comcast or any other company period. I haven't seen you post against them, it's always to defend them. As result it's clearly demonstrates that you get some type of benefit by posting such comments Should I assume that you work for a law firm since you are always wanting to take someone to court or sue? If you actually read my comments you would see that i do not always say sue or take them to court. Also i say it in general way when i say sue etc, tch is always anit consumer, and pro business etc. And you are always anti-business and pro government intrusion. I have to agree with the others. People around here assume that when you take a stance, you must be in their back pocket. That can't be any further from the truth.
Why take everything into the court or to DC? What happens if I don't like someone's Christmas decorations, should I always run to the government and petition them to stop it?
EVERYONE is not going to always agree - EVER. But, simply because we don't agree doesn't give us the right to sue or petition or legalize/or illegalize everything to get our own way.
In this story at hand, this is a pure example of 1) a possible mistake, 2) poor planning on the part of the AOL customer, 3) see #2.
Personal responsibility is at play here.
ANYONE who says email is the sole conduit for their business is a fool for a business owner. Her email couldn't have been THAT important to her in the first place. How long was it down for? If it's so important, she would have been sitting on that email all day long checking it. When it went down, why didn't she contact AOL?
ANYONE that has ever had AOL knows one thing - if your service is discontinued, all you have to do is simply sign back in and it will ask you to re-activate your account.
How could this person have lost so much revenue? Was it down for days? Then her email couldn't have been that important - I would have had it back up and running quickly. Or, she really doesn't use her email that much, the business is failing and she is looking for another revenue source ...
This story reminds me of the handicap person that goes up and down a street in their wheelchair looking for businesses with out handicap accessible restrooms and then suing them for damages... businesses that they never even patronize in the first place.
Forwarding email is simple... keep the account active for a few months longer and then tell everyone. Why should an ISP have to burden the cost of the forwarding anyway? Most people here should know that there are a lot of wasted resourced on the part of ISPs with user account email boxes sitting at MAX quota because boxes are created, never used, and then fill up taking up disk space.
I agree with TCH - if you are running a business, get a domain and own your own services.. it's under $100 a month AND it is FAR more professional than doing business as "@AOL.COM" , "Yahoo" or "Hotmail" - to which I would NEVER do business with those people anyway.. it tends to lend to their abilities in the first place.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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said by maartena :It's TOUGH to read though, and very boring..... I always recommend it. It is best to know your enemy.
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maartena
Stacked.
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Orange, CA
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said by Jim Gurd :I've seen law firms with an @aol.com e-mail address. I have seen em with a HOTMAIL address. And yes, I skip businesses with hotmail addresses or the likes, and move on to the next google hit.
It just doesn't look professional. And with domain hosting being CHEAP as DIRT, why shouldn't you have your own domain for your business? You probably will have paid for an entire year of hosting if you can reel in just ONE client more. |
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maartena
Stacked.
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said by hopeflicker :Do you really equate anti-business to socialism? I would suggest you read "Das Kapital" by Karl Marx, (Capital in English) and then re-evaluate this statement.
It's TOUGH to read though, and very boring.....
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | reply to GeekJedi
And all of this started with a "Miffed AOL user"...geez
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GeekJedi
RF is Good For You
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said by hopeflicker :said by S_engineer :antibusiness=hand outs=socialism=no power you can be anti business and not expect handouts. Dont know where you got that from. Do you really equate anti-business to socialism? Just like you can be pro-business and not corrupt and greedy.
It goes both ways.
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | reply to hopeflicker
you can be anti business and not expect handouts.
Dont know where you got that from.
Why would you want to be anti business?
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| reply to 81399672
As I've posted before, our dear friend is actually a virtual identity created and operated by the pro-government propaganda unit of the Department of Homeland Security. That's my explanation anyway...because I can't come up with any other way to explain away his oblique viewpoints.
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Julio
Bachatero y Que?
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If you have an issue with a mod, address it with Justin and not in public. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to Jeffrey
I did the same thing in early 2002 and never looked back. Having moved a few times myself, and having other family members change ISPs has really made the one time minor hassle well worth it.
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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Long Beach, CA
| reply to S_engineer
said by S_engineer :antibusiness=hand outs=socialism=no power you can be anti business and not expect handouts.
Dont know where you got that from.
Do you really equate anti-business to socialism?
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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said by kapil :... but the pendulum has swung too far in the favor of corporations and an urgent re-balancing of the power is needed in the consumer's favor. All because some woman is too stupid to have her own domain for her business email?
The FCC should send this woman a greeting card with the word "dumbass" printed in big, bold letters as a response to her request.
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