Re: Best, fairest discussion I've read on P2P issues in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19321534 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:41:18 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:41:18 EDT Re: Best, fairest discussion I've read on P2P issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19322339 KoolMoe : I don't have a problem with the theory. The proverbial devil is in the details.
I myself have had the (legal) OpenOffice distribution running on my P2P install for a couple weeks now. More than happy to provide a portion of my bandwidth to help such distribution.
KM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19322339 Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:33:25 EDT Re: Best, fairest discussion I've read on P2P issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19321799 braynes : "It's unfortunate that these files are being subjected to Comcast's traffic shaping, but that's what happens when people put legitimate content into a distribution channel designed and optimized to facilitate piracy."

Who ever said that they are designed and optimized to facilitate piracy.

You must hit your head on the wall every few minuets to have your logic.
Bruce]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19321799 Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:00:29 EDT Re: Best, fairest discussion I've read on P2P issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19321620 jimbo2150 :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

»www.news.com/8301-10784_3-980414···-1_3-0-5
To summarize: although I suspect most BitTorrent traffic consists of pirated software, music, TV shows, and movies, there's also some important, legitimate content on BitTorrent-- Linux distributions, collections of classic ebooks in the public domain, Linux distributions... wait, I mentioned that already...
I agree. Even though there is a lot of piracy going on, that doesn't change the fact that there are sites sharing or selling content legally. Even with the bad comes the good. I hope to see legal action taken on behalf of these companies against any congressional action and against companies that employ traffic shaping and block P2P traffic. That action takes away their business.

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

»www.news.com/8301-10784_3-980414···-1_3-0-5
...So clearly we need a separate public-access peer-to-peer system. How would it differ from BitTorrent? Well, the content would have to be legitimate, and provably so. That means a central authority and a master list of authorized content.
H311 NO! This will lead only to proprietary programs and protocols that will hinder the entire industry! I hate distribution programs that are proprietary, closed to the outside world, and only available on certain systems. They leave scores of people out and hinder how and when content can be enjoyed. They need an open system that anyone can use but that is regulated by an outside, independent organization (preferably a non-profit, non-capitalistic entity) with regulation on what content can be sent over the server (based on legality, not personal/social opinion) but also require that consumers get their rights as well.
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- "Techie" Jim]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19321620 Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:26:04 EDT Re: Best, fairest discussion I've read on P2P issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19321569 nixen : So, lemme get this straight: you're advocating a system of "guilty until proven innocent"? And legitimacy is at the whim of some "central authority"? And who, exactly, would provide legitimacy to this "central authority"? Would you be advocating for a UN-controlled "central authority"?
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Well, the content would have to be legitimate, and provably so. That means a central authority and a master list of authorized content.


Yeah, just like in Soviet Russia. This is the fairest you've read? Who are you, the new leader of the Taliban?

Even the medieval church only had a list of unauthorized content.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19321534 Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:12:02 EDT Best, fairest discussion I've read on P2P issues http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19321477 TKJunkMail : »www.news.com/8301-10784_3-980414···-1_3-0-5

To summarize: although I suspect most BitTorrent traffic consists of pirated software, music, TV shows, and movies, there's also some important, legitimate content on BitTorrent-- Linux distributions, collections of classic ebooks in the public domain, Linux distributions... wait, I mentioned that already. Actually, there probably isn't that much legitimate BitTorrent activity. But however much there is, it deserves to pass unmolested on Comcast and other Internet services.

It's unfortunate that these files are being subjected to Comcast's traffic shaping, but that's what happens when people put legitimate content into a distribution channel designed and optimized to facilitate piracy.

So clearly we need a separate public-access peer-to-peer system. How would it differ from BitTorrent? Well, the content would have to be legitimate, and provably so. That means a central authority and a master list of authorized content.
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The whole article looks at it from both sides. The author isn't an ISP employee.
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