Re: More Reasons to Switch in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19350006 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:58:46 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:58:46 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19353153 Thaler :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by Thaler See Profile :

...and no. Cellphone and residential internet's "best effort" availability services just don't cut it when lives are at stake.
When did I make such a claim?
said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by Tzale See Profile :

Because some people want service through landline, and shouldn't have to be shitted on just because they want to keep their copper. Not everyone knows or wants to port to VOIP or a Cell Phone.
Life just isn't fair sometimes.

If phone service is that important to someone, then they will take the time to learn about alternate means of getting it if they believe that Verizon's service is no good.
*shrugs* Maybe it's just me, but it just came across as though you were suggesting that VoIP and/or cell coverage works just as good as POTS. However, as history has shown, POTS reliability fairs much better when push comes to shove.

If I was mistaken by your intentions, my mistake.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19353153 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:42:47 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19352878 pnh102 :
said by Thaler See Profile :

...and no. Cellphone and residential internet's "best effort" availability services just don't cut it when lives are at stake.
When did I make such a claim?
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

Well if you are already having problems with Verizon landline service in a non-disaster situation, then it is pointless to worry about if it will work in a disaster situation.
Umm...I'd think if it was in a state of disrepair in a non-disaster situation, then that'd be a cause of alarm, not dismissal. I mean, internet and cellphones are much easier to knock out via normal operation means...a maintained copper network has historically been much sturdier.

...and no. Cellphone and residential internet's "best effort" availability services just don't cut it when lives are at stake.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19352339 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:09:53 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19352193 pnh102 :
said by Tzale See Profile :

The problem isn't that you're a Verizon fanboi ...
You claimed I was kissing their ass in a previous post.
said by Tzale See Profile :

but rather that you're sticking up for big business like they need it.
My posts clearly stated that I believed that people who could switch from Verizon to another provider as a result of these problems should. Such people would clearly be happier with a provider that can deliver the services advertised. How is that sticking up for big business?
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19352193 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:49:36 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19352086 Tzale :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by Tzale See Profile :

Stop kissing Verizon's ass.
You're talking to someone who hasn't purchased any sort of service from Verizon since 2003.
said by Tzale See Profile :

That copper might be owned by Verizon, but it is their duty under American law that they provide reliable service since that is the ONLY copper on the poles that allows telephone service via POTS.
But, they're not...
The problem isn't that you're a Verizon fanboi, but rather that you're sticking up for big business like they need it.
The truth is that Verizon and YOU are WRONG here.

-Tzale ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19352086 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:31:27 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19351861 pnh102 :
said by Thaler See Profile :

A "sucks to be you" technology vision isn't a wonderful one to maintain when crap hits the fan. Redundant backup/emergency services are one of those things that're only missed when people need them the most.
Well if you are already having problems with Verizon landline service in a non-disaster situation, then it is pointless to worry about if it will work in a disaster situation.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19351861 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:54:00 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19351753 Thaler :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

Life just isn't fair sometimes.
LOL, remind me that when the next emergency arises and internet & cell towers take a royal dump. Living in California, that's a very viable scenario given earthquakes, and so having a maintained & functional network is key for disaster/safety planning.

...and of course, there's just the "Murphy's Law" syndrome. Cell & internet can go dead for less disastrous reasons (unexplained power outages come to mind), and having POTS avaliable for emergency use would again be a necessity.

A "sucks to be you" technology vision isn't a wonderful one to maintain when crap hits the fan. Redundant backup/emergency services are one of those things that're only missed when people need them the most.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19351753 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:34:38 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19351140 pnh102 :
said by moonpuppy See Profile :

Make the fines higher and watch how fast Verizon reacts.
Agreed.
said by moonpuppy See Profile :

And if there is no VOIP or reliable cell service in the area, what do you do?
Unfortunately there will always be people who are stuck in such a situation. They're pretty much screwed until they get another choice in providers. However, that doesn't mean that people who do have access to competing providers shouldn't take it upon themselves to hold Verizon accountable by switching.
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said by Tzale See Profile :

Stop kissing Verizon's ass.
You're talking to someone who hasn't purchased any sort of service from Verizon since 2003.
said by Tzale See Profile :

That copper might be owned by Verizon, but it is their duty under American law that they provide reliable service since that is the ONLY copper on the poles that allows telephone service via POTS.
But, they're not...
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19351122 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:39:10 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19350612 Tzale :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by Tzale See Profile :

Because some people want service through landline, and shouldn't have to be shitted on just because they want to keep their copper. Not everyone knows or wants to port to VOIP or a Cell Phone.
Life just isn't fair sometimes.

If phone service is that important to someone, then they will take the time to learn about alternate means of getting it if they believe that Verizon's service is no good.

And it isn't "their" copper. The copper belongs to Verizon.
You're wrong.... Stop kissing Verizon's ass. That copper might be owned by Verizon, but it is their duty under American law that they provide reliable service since that is the ONLY copper on the poles that allows telephone service via POTS.

-Tzale]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19350612 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:22:11 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19350406 moonpuppy :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

If I was a Verizon landline customer who was experiencing trouble, that would mean absolutely nothing to me because clearly, the powers-that-be are not holding Verizon accountable.
That's because Verizon would rather pay fines than fix the problem. Make the fines higher and watch how fast Verizon reacts.

said by pnh102 See Profile :

If VOIP or cellular service can offer a reasonable substitute for the bad existing service I would be getting from Verizon, and I needed the service badly enough, then switching would be the proper course of action.

Otherwise, I'd be pissing away my money.
And if there is no VOIP or reliable cell service in the area, what do you do?

Again, Verizon agreed to these terms decades ago, they need to live up to their agreement. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19350406 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:44:57 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19350036 pnh102 :
said by Tzale See Profile :

Because some people want service through landline, and shouldn't have to be shitted on just because they want to keep their copper. Not everyone knows or wants to port to VOIP or a Cell Phone.
Life just isn't fair sometimes.

If phone service is that important to someone, then they will take the time to learn about alternate means of getting it if they believe that Verizon's service is no good.

And it isn't "their" copper. The copper belongs to Verizon.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19350036 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:43:35 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19350006 pnh102 :
said by moonpuppy See Profile :

Copper still falls under the Public Service Commission. Verizon gets a minimum price for its copper and they are required to meet a minimum repair time.
If I was a Verizon landline customer who was experiencing trouble, that would mean absolutely nothing to me because clearly, the powers-that-be are not holding Verizon accountable.

If VOIP or cellular service can offer a reasonable substitute for the bad existing service I would be getting from Verizon, and I needed the service badly enough, then switching would be the proper course of action.

Otherwise, I'd be pissing away my money.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19350006 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:38:00 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19349972 Tzale :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

If these kinds of outages are happening in places where one can readily port their service to cell phones or VOIP, then why not do that and quit waiting for Verizon to fix its copper?
Because some people want service through landline, and shouldn't have to be shitted on just because they want to keep their copper. Not everyone knows or wants to port to VOIP or a Cell Phone.

-Tzale]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19349972 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:31:29 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19349956 moonpuppy :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

If these kinds of outages are happening in places where one can readily port their service to cell phones or VOIP, then why not do that and quit waiting for Verizon to fix its copper?
Copper still falls under the Public Service Commission. Verizon gets a minimum price for its copper and they are required to meet a minimum repair time. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19349956 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:29:06 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19349884 pnh102 :
said by ropeguru See Profile :

I see again you are a corporate shill and don't think these people need to be held responsible for anything. Just change providers is the solution.
How is changing providers from Verizon to someone else not holding them accountable?

Do you like to pay for services which are not delivered?
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19349884 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:19:20 EDT Re: More Reasons to Switch http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19349830 ropeguru :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

If these kinds of outages are happening in places where one can readily port their service to cell phones or VOIP, then why not do that and quit waiting for Verizon to fix its copper?
Because Verizon in these areas are bound to meet minimum repair times. THis is nothing new to them and has been in place for decades.

I see again you are a corporate shill and don't think these people need to be held responsible for anything. Just change providers is the solution.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19349625 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:21:22 EDT