 jgkoltPremium
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Lakewood, OH | illegal isnt it illegal to falsify the information there? I think there are sites that register it in their name but yo are the owner. like privacy guide. Since i used the privacy option from my registrar i get next to no spam on my webmaster emails
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I've marked it private since then... just because.
Really the whois was meant to contact someone who was having server issues. Really not needed as much now. |
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kruserPremium
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Chesterfield, MO | said by Devanchya:I've only ever had ONE person contact me via who is. It was someone who was looking for a person with my name and a bad debt. I've marked it private since then... just because. Really the whois was meant to contact someone who was having server issues. Really not needed as much now. I was contacted by someone wanting to design my website within days of registering the name.
He said he got the info from whois.
I made it private right then and never had another problem.
I also thought it was a matter of policy that a running site has a webmaster email address in place for people to contact you if needed.
I'm sure this is highly abused and I never did setup that email. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | reply to Devanchya
I've heard MANY horror stories of mis-use from the WHOIS.
To be honest, privacy should be MANDATORY. If people want to contact you, they can use the proxy.. and that way registrars can monitor abuse.
However, getting rid of the WHOIS all together is not a good idea either. With all the domain sniping out there, there are legitimate uses for having that information available. Obviously, people are going to want to work to get the domain back - which sometimes fails no matter what you offer, and, other legitimate ISP uses for having it open.
But, I agree on the privacy issue.. people shouldn't have to give out their life story and personal information to register a domain, NOR should they HAVE to pay to mark it private.
my 3 cents.
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said by jgkolt:isnt it illegal to falsify the information there? I think there are sites that register it in their name but yo are the owner. like privacy guide. Since i used the privacy option from my registrar i get next to no spam on my webmaster emails I pay for privacy. Yes, it does all read: Kara Zor-El and Supergirl3000@gmail.com as the owner. My Registrar is Network Solutions and gives the option of faking your ownership. Don't worry, the IRS knows.
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 major marcoRes Firma Mitescere NescitPremium
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Stepford, CA | reply to fiberguy
said by fiberguy:.. people shouldn't have to give out their life story and personal information to register a domain, NOR should they HAVE to pay to mark it private. my 3 cents. Don't be so @#$%^ melodramatic. A real name and viable address is not a life story. If you're worried about junk mail/stalkers then rent a mailbox and use that as your mailing address. If you're concerned the contact # will be harvested by telemarketers and abused, then either register with the National Do No Call list and/or get yourself a free voicemail only telephone #. They're freely available all over the net. All you have to do is look for them.
Incidentally, I have yet to have any of my information abused and I have yet to meet any other domain registrants crying about information abuse. People crying about same are the shady characters whose contact information provides the sunlight needed to disinfect these people.
The bottom line is that there is absolutely no good reason not to have the contact information available. First and foremost, it promotes accountability. If people have to provide their contact information, it will make them that much more in tune with what is going on with their domains vs pleading stupidity and otherwise hiding because they don't want to be bothered when their legitimacy or lack thereof is called into question.
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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1 edit | said by major marco:said by fiberguy:.. people shouldn't have to give out their life story and personal information to register a domain, NOR should they HAVE to pay to mark it private. my 3 cents. Don't be so @#$%^ melodramatic. A real name and viable address is not a life story. Tell that to woman who have been tracked, raped, and murdered in the past from the very abuse of the WHOIS. Thanks.
Want another good reason? Post a website that is what people may call controversial. People have a right to be controversial in this country. People will often look to the WHOIS and make death threats. Some people, unknowing, will register their domain, post their website, piss people off that disagree, and then their life is a mess.
1) People don't always know that their information is available to anyone.
2) Privacy should be considered first.
3) People have a right to say their peace and not get death threats and should not have to pay extra to have this data abused.
And 4) don't tell me NOT to be &*(#$&(*Q# dramatic again. Stay on topic..
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said by Devanchya:Really the whois was meant to contact someone who was having server issues. Really not needed as much now. Totally needed still. At work I need to regularly use it both for reporting abuse issues and getting a tech contact for doing a DNS move, etc. Ditto on the IP registrar whois services. |
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major marcoRes Firma Mitescere NescitPremium
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said by fiberguy:Tell that to woman who have been tracked, raped, and murdered in the past from the very abuse of the WHOIS. Thanks. That's a great emotional argument devoid of all logic and common sense. Where are the stats to give an idea of how many women who have registered with WHOIS have been raped/abused/murdered if at all? Why haven't we heard from the various women's safety advocacy groups en masse protesting WHOIS? And for that matter, where are the consumer privacy advocate groups? The AP article in the headline of this thread was conspicuously silent on that count.
I tend to look to orgs like PrivacyRights Clearinghouse for my privacy info yet they haven't made a peep about WHOIS, and, what's more, there aren't any stats/info available on their site crying about WHOIS privacy violations. If you take a look around that site, you'll see it is mighty comprehensive as to consumer privacy. But strangely, they haven't said a word about these alleged privacy violations mentioned in the AP piece by these phantom "privacy advocates."
As I've stated above, secure a rented mailbox and use that as your mailing address. If you can afford the cost of a domain and a website, then you can afford a rented mailbox.
No doubt there are stats to back up that plenty of people have been stalked/raped when they lost their driver's licenses, but I have yet to see either the feds or any state government banning/redacting the address of the driver on DLs because harm may come to someone in the event s/he loses his DL. The same advice as to the rented mailbox is applicable here. I have my mailing address on my DL as opposed to my residential address for this very reason b/c sometimes I lose shit and don't know it for days after the fact.
said by fiberguy: People will often look to the WHOIS and make death threats. Some people, unknowing, will register their domain, post their website, piss people off that disagree, and then their life is a mess. So because the possibility exists that some may be adversely affected by the registrant of a domain having to provide viable contact info, we should just outright ban WHOIS? Sorry. Not buying that argument. Three inches of water in a bathtub drown ungodly amts of people each year, but I don't see a move to ban bathtubs or water to protect the stupid/negligent.
said by fiberguy:1) People don't always know that their information is available to anyone. That's what so great about the internet. Information is free and if you have 2 spare brain cells to rub together, you conduct your due diligence and learn. Don't want to do that, tough cookies.
said by fiberguy:2) Privacy should be considered first. We're not talking about SSNs. Just a simple address!
said by fiberguy:3) People have a right to say their peace and not get death threats and should not have to pay extra to have this data abused. Use a rented mailbox and a vm # as your registrant info and conduct yourself accordingly to mitigate the propensity to be threatened.
said by fiberguy:And 4) don't tell me NOT to be &*(#$&(*Q# dramatic again. Stay on topic.. You are being highly melodramatic here because we are discussing viable contact information that need not necessarily be your residential address or landline.
The bottom line to all of this noise is that the so called "privacy advocates" who are behind wanting to close off the contact information of website registrants are corporate entities and other miscreants whose goals are to stop the flow of information to consumers who can then hold them accountable.
Don't fall prey to some flimsy argument that alleged "privacy advocates" are concerned about the WHOIS database. If that were the case, then where is the EFF? EPIC? UCANN? Junkbusters? Daniel Solove? Eugene Volokh? How about just a quickie opinion from Bruce Schneier?
The silence from the above-referenced consumer privacy advocates is deafening.
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