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major marco
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said by fiberguy  :.. people shouldn't have to give out their life story and personal information to register a domain, NOR should they HAVE to pay to mark it private. my 3 cents. Don't be so @#$%^ melodramatic. A real name and viable address is not a life story. If you're worried about junk mail/stalkers then rent a mailbox and use that as your mailing address. If you're concerned the contact # will be harvested by telemarketers and abused, then either register with the National Do No Call list and/or get yourself a free voicemail only telephone #. They're freely available all over the net. All you have to do is look for them.
Incidentally, I have yet to have any of my information abused and I have yet to meet any other domain registrants crying about information abuse. People crying about same are the shady characters whose contact information provides the sunlight needed to disinfect these people.
The bottom line is that there is absolutely no good reason not to have the contact information available. First and foremost, it promotes accountability. If people have to provide their contact information, it will make them that much more in tune with what is going on with their domains vs pleading stupidity and otherwise hiding because they don't want to be bothered when their legitimacy or lack thereof is called into question.
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1 edit | said by major marco :said by fiberguy :.. people shouldn't have to give out their life story and personal information to register a domain, NOR should they HAVE to pay to mark it private. my 3 cents. Don't be so @#$%^ melodramatic. A real name and viable address is not a life story. Tell that to woman who have been tracked, raped, and murdered in the past from the very abuse of the WHOIS. Thanks.
Want another good reason? Post a website that is what people may call controversial. People have a right to be controversial in this country. People will often look to the WHOIS and make death threats. Some people, unknowing, will register their domain, post their website, piss people off that disagree, and then their life is a mess.
1) People don't always know that their information is available to anyone.
2) Privacy should be considered first.
3) People have a right to say their peace and not get death threats and should not have to pay extra to have this data abused.
And 4) don't tell me NOT to be &*(#$&(*Q# dramatic again. Stay on topic..
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4 edits | said by fiberguy :Tell that to woman who have been tracked, raped, and murdered in the past from the very abuse of the WHOIS. Thanks. That's a great emotional argument devoid of all logic and common sense. Where are the stats to give an idea of how many women who have registered with WHOIS have been raped/abused/murdered if at all? Why haven't we heard from the various women's safety advocacy groups en masse protesting WHOIS? And for that matter, where are the consumer privacy advocate groups? The AP article in the headline of this thread was conspicuously silent on that count.
I tend to look to orgs like PrivacyRights Clearinghouse for my privacy info yet they haven't made a peep about WHOIS, and, what's more, there aren't any stats/info available on their site crying about WHOIS privacy violations. If you take a look around that site, you'll see it is mighty comprehensive as to consumer privacy. But strangely, they haven't said a word about these alleged privacy violations mentioned in the AP piece by these phantom "privacy advocates."
As I've stated above, secure a rented mailbox and use that as your mailing address. If you can afford the cost of a domain and a website, then you can afford a rented mailbox.
No doubt there are stats to back up that plenty of people have been stalked/raped when they lost their driver's licenses, but I have yet to see either the feds or any state government banning/redacting the address of the driver on DLs because harm may come to someone in the event s/he loses his DL. The same advice as to the rented mailbox is applicable here. I have my mailing address on my DL as opposed to my residential address for this very reason b/c sometimes I lose shit and don't know it for days after the fact.
said by fiberguy : People will often look to the WHOIS and make death threats. Some people, unknowing, will register their domain, post their website, piss people off that disagree, and then their life is a mess. So because the possibility exists that some may be adversely affected by the registrant of a domain having to provide viable contact info, we should just outright ban WHOIS? Sorry. Not buying that argument. Three inches of water in a bathtub drown ungodly amts of people each year, but I don't see a move to ban bathtubs or water to protect the stupid/negligent.
said by fiberguy :1) People don't always know that their information is available to anyone. That's what so great about the internet. Information is free and if you have 2 spare brain cells to rub together, you conduct your due diligence and learn. Don't want to do that, tough cookies.
said by fiberguy :2) Privacy should be considered first. We're not talking about SSNs. Just a simple address!
said by fiberguy :3) People have a right to say their peace and not get death threats and should not have to pay extra to have this data abused. Use a rented mailbox and a vm # as your registrant info and conduct yourself accordingly to mitigate the propensity to be threatened.
said by fiberguy :And 4) don't tell me NOT to be &*(#$&(*Q# dramatic again. Stay on topic.. You are being highly melodramatic here because we are discussing viable contact information that need not necessarily be your residential address or landline.
The bottom line to all of this noise is that the so called "privacy advocates" who are behind wanting to close off the contact information of website registrants are corporate entities and other miscreants whose goals are to stop the flow of information to consumers who can then hold them accountable.
Don't fall prey to some flimsy argument that alleged "privacy advocates" are concerned about the WHOIS database. If that were the case, then where is the EFF? EPIC? UCANN? Junkbusters? Daniel Solove? Eugene Volokh? How about just a quickie opinion from Bruce Schneier?
The silence from the above-referenced consumer privacy advocates is deafening.
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