Bubba17
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Re: Backup Your Data NOW!
I won't repeat my setup in this message, as I've done that in a prior post in this thread.
Here's what I can add since that post:
I'm now using, and extremely happy with, Amazon S3 for online backup, managed via the purchased tool "Jungle Disk". With Amazon S3, one pays only for that which is stored/transferred, thus:
Storage
$0.15 per GB-Month of storage used
Data Transfer
$0.10 per GB - all data transfer in
$0.18 per GB - first 10 TB / month data transfer out
$0.16 per GB - next 40 TB / month data transfer out
$0.13 per GB - data transfer out / month over 50 TB
Requests
$0.01 per 1,000 PUT or LIST requests
$0.01 per 10,000 GET and all other requests*
* No charge for delete requests
I prefer this to a "flat rate", ala Carbonite @ $50 per year, regardless of how much is stored.
Too, regarding Acronis ... some time ago, I purchased both the Director and TI10, which I was using successfully for imaging my system hd. When TI11 was released, I immediately purchased the update without even thinking to check-in forum side. It was crap when it released and is, based on forum observations less than a week ago, still crap! I've never installed it. As mentioned in my prior post, I then began playing around with DriveImage XML »www.runtime.org/driveimage_faq.htm ...
What I can now add is that it has replaced Acronis!! The program is tremendous! All my imaging is handled now by it. And, I've a real world "Oh shit!" now under my belt using it. Complete system drive (three partition) restore was flawless. Access to the "dead" computer gained via my created BartPE/DriveImage XML plug-in disk. Sweet, sweet program. Did I mention it was absolutely FREE?? It doesn't function with Vista, XP only.
Lastly, to your question about full, incremental and differential? Bah!! All Acronis (and others) allowed capabilities that I couldn't care less about. I now do complete/full system drive imaging, selecting "compressed" as an option in DriveImage and I currently maintain 9 such images spread across three different non-system drives (three each). I'm very happy with the setup, overall.
edit: I was wrong, it's not XP only. From runtime software:
With the software installed on a PC, supported file systems are Windows XP, Windows Media Center, and Windows Server 2003. However you can create a BartPE CD with our software on it and boot from any of the Windows 9x or Windows 2000 machines and back them up as well.
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CatLover53
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said by NetFixer  :I have on more than one occasion seen a controller glitch or voltage surge wipe out multiple RAID devices. I know this is a little off topic, please excuse me. Recently my 2nd CyberPower 825AVR died and I don't want a 3rd one! I'm looking for recommendations on reasonable priced battery back-up equipment. Can you guys give me some ideas?
Thanks, Michael
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MarkAW
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Thanks for the advise and reminder exocet_cm . I do full system backups once every second Tuesday of every month to all three of my computers, with Acronis TI9.
Edit: forgot to mension what i used for backing up.
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Bubba17
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Hi Michael,
Having good luck with and can recommend this CP model;
»www.cyberpowersystems.com/produc···LCD.html
Hard to beat NewEgg .. here: »www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···00AVRLCD
Good luck!
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Bubba17
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said by Fredra :Which method is better, why and under what circumstances would you conduct one over another. -Full backup -incremental backup -differential backup -image backup Fredra, a re-read of what I'd typed, referencing your above question ... deserved more than "Bah!!". I'm sorry.
Course, a full backup is just that. Everything on the targeted drive/partition is backed up.
Here's solid information on incremental and differential, and how they differ. Such backups allow for additional backup of any prior full backup, saving space. »searchstorage.techtarget.com/ate···,00.html
Imaging software allows, among other backups, complete backup/restoration of the system drive/partition.
Imaging backup differs from backup at a file level, where I can highly recommend SyncBack SE. Using it here, all targeted files are automatically/nightly backed up across 3 different drives. It additionally piles targeted files into a "burn directory" I've created, which allows for convenient burns to re-writable DVD, when I take a notion. 
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AB
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| reply to Fredra
For most average users, just backing up personal data files to CD or other external drive type on a somewhat regular basis is sufficent to avoid major disaster.
For other people, that's not going to cut it and they need to do more and employ special software for the task (Acronis, etc.).
Other people or businesses need daily (or even hourly, or whatever) backups of virtually everything, for whatever reason.
So, how complicated and thorough it needs to be is going to vary from person to person, or business to business-- as will the methods that need to be employed.
But everyone needs some sort of plan, beyond simply 'I hope nothing goes wrong'-- that's for sure. |
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1 edit | Speaking of Acronis - Dell has a deal with rebate 18.99 after rebate:
Rebate form :
»accessories.us.dell.com/sna/reba···6606.pdf
Link to Dell:
»accessories.us.dell.com/sna/prod···=0&lid=0
Edit - Free shipping 3-5 days. |
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Bubba17
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| reply to exocet_cm
Also, speaking of backing things up, if someone was ever considering acquiring DVD backup capability .. and, that someone thought they might be interested in, what I consider to be "the" superior tool available for such backup, AnyDVD .. a last minute Christmas present!
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To redeem the coupon just enter the coupon code: christmas
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Merry Christmas!!
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Mele20
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The only thing I want to save is my tweaking of applications and Windows. I don't get backing up personal stuff. I have photos but if I lost them it wouldn't be a big deal ...they are just photos. I listen to streaming radio so I have very little music on the hard drive and I don't watch movies so none of those. But it takes a gigantic amount of time to get my applications working the way I want them and getting Windows where I can stand it. Those are things I would want backed up...important things. I can never understand how people don't back up their applications all the tons of tweaking that have to be done to be able to use a computer these days and not go nuts.
Anyhow, I have a TI image on an external drive that is old I think but it has all my tweaks and my virtual machines...that is the other thing I would never want to lose...those are important...photos, music, nah...Word documents are somewhat important and Ping Plotter data...all the stuff most folks don't care about is what I care about. 
I also have my entire hard drive from about two months ago on my first hard drive. I bought a new drive and cloned the contents of the old to the new and I have not yet erased the contents of the old drive. The problem with TI is how long it takes to make an image (over two hours and another almost two hours to verify). I certainly would never make images often when they take that long and you are deprived of using the computer during that time. As for incremental images, they didn't work with TI 8 and TI 10 from SeaDisc doesn't support incremental images which is fine with me.
I read threads like this and shake my head because I am not at all typical when it comes to backing up in terms of what I consider important to backup. I would never keep personal data that was truly important on a computer and I have never understood why some folks do.
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Grail Knight
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I certainly would never make images often when they take that long and you are deprived of using the computer during that time.
Make the images well you are sleeping. Amazing thing about computer programs. They can run when your sleeping.
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I don't get backing up personal stuff. I have photos but if I lost them it wouldn't be a big deal ..
Personal stuff is just that personal and of importance to some folks. Does it matter if you back up personal info or not? Not really because that is just you. Others may choose to save personal information.
Ho Ho Ho
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Amethyst
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| reply to trparky
For off-site backup we simply use our safe deposit box at the bank to store periodic copies (on DVD) of our important data. In our case, since we already had a box, it's free... and otherwise, it would be $25/yr.
At home, we use external drives on a couple of the machines on our LAN. Automated.
Overall, it's been pretty reliable and relatively painless.
I'm probably paranoid, but I just don't feel too comfortable storing any sensitive data on external servers. Pictures and music... fine. |
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Fredra
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| reply to Bubba17
@Bubba
No apologies required.
My questions were of a general nature, to help any users who maybe reading this relevant topic and not fully understanding which backup protocol to use and why.
I have my own methodology for backups (home) to limit my loss to days.
Your feedback and opinions are valuable.
Thanks
Cheers
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AB
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| reply to Mele20
said by Mele20 :. . I don't get backing up personal stuff. I have photos but if I lost them it wouldn't be a big deal ...they are just photos. . . . Banking records are just banking records. Tax info is just tax info.
What's important to Joe is not always the same thing that's important to Jane.
...all the stuff most folks don't care about is what I care about.
. . I certainly would never make images often when they take that long and you are deprived of using the computer during that time. . . .
. . I read threads like this and shake my head because I am not at all typical when it comes to backing up in terms of what I consider important to backup. I would never keep personal data that was truly important on a computer and I have never understood why some folks do. Well, there you have it. Thanks so much for that info.
But here's a thought-- Not everyone feels the need to do things exactly as you do them, nor is concerned whether or not you understand that. |
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Fredra
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LOL 
Some people have their own convoluted agenda. Their BS always baffles brains.
Cheers
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Grail Knight
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That is actually a very good idea to use a safety deposit box. I keep a copy of my records on DVD and flash drive stored at the bank and another off-site location just in case.
I have no problem using an external server for storage but to each their own.
Off-site storage IMO was best illustrated in the WTC attacks.
Interesting article here on off-site disaster recovery.
»www.crn.com/it-channel/18826906
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Mele20
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said by AB :But here's a thought-- Not everyone feels the need to do things exactly as you do them, nor is concerned whether or not you understand that. That's right. It is also true...here's a thought for you...that no one cares what you think either.
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Johnny
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No fuss, no muss...
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Wow, this thread helped me dodge a bullet today. It reminded me that I hadn't backed up my data drive for a good while, so I got right to it. Just as I had finished, and was preparing to format and reimage the drive, it failed. Talk about a close call.
Well, I'm out a drive, but my precious, precious data is safe. |
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kpatz
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| reply to exocet_cm
Thanks for the reminder. I don't back up as often as I should. Most of my most critical stuff (photos, documents) are usually on more than one computer so I'm semi-backed-up but I should get into a better habit of doing it regularly.
What I should do is invest in a few 500+ GB external USB drives. The 180 GB ones I have now aren't adequate for doing full backups.
That and I need to organize things better so I can back up just the important stuff, and not back up the entire Windows folder at the same time.
I do have an interesting disaster-recovery story with a happy, yet twisted ending. 3 years ago we had a house fire. Shortly before the fire I had backed up my system to DVDs. After the fire, which destroyed nearly everything I owned, the backup DVDs were melted, but the hard drives in the PC survived, so I didn't lose any of my data.
I guess I need to set up an offsite storage scheme too. If only backup solutions would keep up with hard drive capacities. Someone needs to come up with a 2 TB optical drive/media that's as cheap as a DVD burner.
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Sniper3142
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| reply to exocet_cm
Norton Ghost still working great
I've had Norton Ghost for several years now and love it.
I've had to use it a couple of times to restore my entire HD. Once due to a software issue that totally screwed up my system, the other time I had a HD actually fail and need to be replaced. 
Both times, Norton Ghost was able to restore by system perfectly.
Whatever backup method you use, it is SO important to do!
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