Backup Your Data NOW! in Security

Backup Your Data NOW! in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19354211 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:48:45 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:48:45 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20053286 EvilByDesire : if you have vista ultimate u can have you computer automatically backup ever week or day if you want, heres how to set it up

»www.maximumpcguides.com/schedule···-backup/

ive had mine doing this for a LONG time and its saved me multiple times
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seems to have a small footprint
acronis--122 some odd MB's now that large ;)
»www.genie-soft.com/products/gbm/default.html
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said by jaykaykay

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This is a topic that a friend of mine and I have been discussing of late and Carbonite was the original choice. Then we found that one could only restored 1X which could be a big problem if being used for a business and/or needed more often for whatever the reason.

Well, I must not understand what you mean then. Because, I cannot imagine that Carbonite would limit people to only a single occasion/occurrence of being able to re-acquire/download their own data.

edit: I apologize, I intended to cover this topic in my prior post.

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said by brydry

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Jungle disk looks very interesting. Should also note that it supports mac and Linux also.

Yes, it does. Thanks. :)
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said by jaykaykay

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If one's business system crashes and there is a need to upload/restore info stored, does JungleDisk allow this and if so, how many times...just once or multiples?

Hi jaykaykay,

Usage of Amazon S3, or any other such online service, wouldn't entail "system" backup (meaning the partition/HD containing the OS .. though it could). It, instead, allows very secure (especially in Amazon S3's case .. not saying others aren't as secure, but Amazon's setup impressed me) backup at a file/folder level.

Any information one deemed important enough to backup can be "restored"/retrieved/downloaded from the backup service, back onto the storers (or any other that was allowed, via the multiple access passwords. Files, if desired, can be "shared" in this manner amongst a group of people) computer as many times as is required by the storer. The number of times you can access your information stored online is completely unlimited, though Amazon S3 does charge for transfer bandwidth. Here's their pricing:

United States
Storage
$0.15 per GB-Month of storage used

Data Transfer
$0.10 per GB - all data transfer in
$0.18 per GB - first 10 TB / month data transfer out
$0.16 per GB - next 40 TB / month data transfer out
$0.13 per GB - data transfer out / month over 50 TB

Requests
$0.01 per 1,000 PUT or LIST requests
$0.01 per 10,000 GET and all other requests*
* No charge for delete requests

Amazon S3, certainly as presently configured, isn't itself very user friendly (speaking access/manipulation), not really targeting, primarily, the Home PC backup market (they function to fry much larger, corporate, fish).

Jungle Disk, filling the need for easily manipulated access software, is a business enterprise arising from this need for S3 access! Jungle Disk's creators (though I don't exactly know their back-grounds) aren't "working for" Amazon. Jungle Disk is a private business, aside from Amazon, that still works very closely with Amazon, that provides this S3 interface.

It says that S3 is accessible via any WEBDave capable app .. Jungle Disk is one such app that is programmed to facilitate S3 access.

Have I explained this clearly, or is it confusing?

Jungle Disk has a one-time purchase price of $20 .. and, is a lifetime license w/unlimited access to all future updates/upgrades.

I chose S3 because of it's "for use" pricing. With others I was considering, like Carbonite and others, they charge a flat, monthly or yearly, amount for unlimited storage. In Carbonites case it's $50 a year for unlimited. Well, that sounds great and all, but my data I'm interested in backing-up is certainly finite and I'll store it on S3 for far less than $50 a year. :)
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said by CatLover53

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Thank you very much for the suggestion as well as the links.

You're welcome! I appreciate you taking the time to say thanks. :)

said by CatLover53

:

Hope you had a nice Christmas and best wishes for a Happy and Prosperous New Year 2008.

I wish the very same to you and yours!

Good luck.
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said by StraitShoot

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I just signed up with JungleDisk and so far so good.. I got "steered" to »jungledisk.com by Bubba1

Ah, I missed your post here prior ... I just responded, regarding Jungle Disk, in your thread. A good choice you've made too! :D

Let's continue our Jungle Disk / Amazon S3 discussion there, ok?
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said by Bubba17

:

Hi Michael,
Having good luck with and can recommend this CP model;
»www.cyberpowersystems.com/produc···LCD.html

Hard to beat NewEgg .. here: »www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···00AVRLCD
Good luck!

Bubba1,

Thank you very much for the suggestion as well as the links. I really appreciate you going the "extra mile" to furnish such complete information.

Hope you had a nice Christmas and best wishes for a Happy and Prosperous New Year 2008.

Michael
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Thank Bub..
Jim
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19692334 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:17:20 EDT Norton Ghost still working great http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19692238 Sniper3142 : I've had Norton Ghost for several years now and love it.

I've had to use it a couple of times to restore my entire HD. Once due to a software issue that totally screwed up my system, the other time I had a HD actually fail and need to be replaced. :o

Both times, Norton Ghost was able to restore by system perfectly.

Whatever backup method you use, it is SO important to do!

;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19692238 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:53:17 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19691589 kpatz : Thanks for the reminder. I don't back up as often as I should. Most of my most critical stuff (photos, documents) are usually on more than one computer so I'm semi-backed-up but I should get into a better habit of doing it regularly.

What I should do is invest in a few 500+ GB external USB drives. The 180 GB ones I have now aren't adequate for doing full backups.

That and I need to organize things better so I can back up just the important stuff, and not back up the entire Windows folder at the same time. ;)

I do have an interesting disaster-recovery story with a happy, yet twisted ending. 3 years ago we had a house fire. Shortly before the fire I had backed up my system to DVDs. After the fire, which destroyed nearly everything I owned, the backup DVDs were melted, but the hard drives in the PC survived, so I didn't lose any of my data.

I guess I need to set up an offsite storage scheme too. If only backup solutions would keep up with hard drive capacities. Someone needs to come up with a 2 TB optical drive/media that's as cheap as a DVD burner. ;)
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Well, I'm out a drive, but my precious, precious data is safe.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19691512 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:33:07 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19690278 Johnny : No fuss, no muss...

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19690278 Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:05:04 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19684475 Mele20 :

said by AB

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But here's a thought-- Not everyone feels the need to do things exactly as you do them, nor is concerned whether or not you understand that.

That's right. It is also true...here's a thought for you...that no one cares what you think either. ;)
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I have no problem using an external server for storage but to each their own.

Off-site storage IMO was best illustrated in the WTC attacks.

Interesting article here on off-site disaster recovery.
»www.crn.com/it-channel/18826906
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LOL :D
Some people have their own convoluted agenda. Their BS always baffles brains.
Cheers :)
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said by Mele20

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. . I don't get backing up personal stuff. I have photos but if I lost them it wouldn't be a big deal ...they are just photos. . . .

Banking records are just banking records. Tax info is just tax info.

What's important to Joe is not always the same thing that's important to Jane.

...all the stuff most folks don't care about is what I care about. ;)

This is news?

. . I certainly would never make images often when they take that long and you are deprived of using the computer during that time. . . .

. . I read threads like this and shake my head because I am not at all typical when it comes to backing up in terms of what I consider important to backup. I would never keep personal data that was truly important on a computer and I have never understood why some folks do.

Well, there you have it. Thanks so much for that info.

But here's a thought-- Not everyone feels the need to do things exactly as you do them, nor is concerned whether or not you understand that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19683025 Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:32:37 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19682960 Fredra : @Bubba
No apologies required.
My questions were of a general nature, to help any users who maybe reading this relevant topic and not fully understanding which backup protocol to use and why.
I have my own methodology for backups (home) to limit my loss to days.
Your feedback and opinions are valuable.
Thanks
Cheers :)
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At home, we use external drives on a couple of the machines on our LAN. Automated.

Overall, it's been pretty reliable and relatively painless.

I'm probably paranoid, but I just don't feel too comfortable storing any sensitive data on external servers. Pictures and music... fine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19682924 Tue, 25 Dec 2007 09:51:47 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19682751 Grail Knight :

quote:
I certainly would never make images often when they take that long and you are deprived of using the computer during that time.

Make the images well you are sleeping. Amazing thing about computer programs. They can run when your sleeping.

quote:
I don't get backing up personal stuff. I have photos but if I lost them it wouldn't be a big deal ..

Personal stuff is just that personal and of importance to some folks. Does it matter if you back up personal info or not? Not really because that is just you. Others may choose to save personal information.

Ho Ho Ho
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Anyhow, I have a TI image on an external drive that is old I think but it has all my tweaks and my virtual machines...that is the other thing I would never want to lose...those are important...photos, music, nah...Word documents are somewhat important and Ping Plotter data...all the stuff most folks don't care about is what I care about. ;)

I also have my entire hard drive from about two months ago on my first hard drive. I bought a new drive and cloned the contents of the old to the new and I have not yet erased the contents of the old drive. The problem with TI is how long it takes to make an image (over two hours and another almost two hours to verify). I certainly would never make images often when they take that long and you are deprived of using the computer during that time. As for incremental images, they didn't work with TI 8 and TI 10 from SeaDisc doesn't support incremental images which is fine with me.

I read threads like this and shake my head because I am not at all typical when it comes to backing up in terms of what I consider important to backup. I would never keep personal data that was truly important on a computer and I have never understood why some folks do.
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From SlySoft:

"Effective January 1, 2008, SlySoft will switch its pricing from U.S. dollars 1:1 to Euro. This will result in a price increase of about 40%. Existing SlySoft license keys are lifetime licenses, the change to the Euro does not impact existing licenses in any way.

If you are entertaining the thought of purchasing one of our products then now is the right time to act because not only are the old prices still in effect, but you also profit from our 20%-off Christmas Promotion.

As a special promotion for Christmas we offer a 20% discount on all software products (except upgrades).

To redeem the coupon just enter the coupon code: christmas
in the box 'Coupon / Promotion Code' at the bottom of the check-out form.

Please note that this coupon is only valid until December, 31st 2007!"

Merry Christmas!!
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Rebate form :
»accessories.us.dell.com/sna/reba···6606.pdf

Link to Dell:
»accessories.us.dell.com/sna/prod···=0&lid=0

Edit - Free shipping 3-5 days.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19678344 Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:03:02 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19677266 AB : For most average users, just backing up personal data files to CD or other external drive type on a somewhat regular basis is sufficent to avoid major disaster.

For other people, that's not going to cut it and they need to do more and employ special software for the task (Acronis, etc.).

Other people or businesses need daily (or even hourly, or whatever) backups of virtually everything, for whatever reason.

So, how complicated and thorough it needs to be is going to vary from person to person, or business to business-- as will the methods that need to be employed.

But everyone needs some sort of plan, beyond simply 'I hope nothing goes wrong'-- that's for sure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19677266 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:40:30 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19677177 Bubba17 :

said by Fredra

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Which method is better, why and under what circumstances would you conduct one over another.
-Full backup
-incremental backup
-differential backup
-image backup

Fredra, a re-read of what I'd typed, referencing your above question ... deserved more than "Bah!!". I'm sorry.

Course, a full backup is just that. Everything on the targeted drive/partition is backed up.

Here's solid information on incremental and differential, and how they differ. Such backups allow for additional backup of any prior full backup, saving space. »searchstorage.techtarget.com/ate···,00.html

Imaging software allows, among other backups, complete backup/restoration of the system drive/partition.

Imaging backup differs from backup at a file level, where I can highly recommend SyncBack SE. Using it here, all targeted files are automatically/nightly backed up across 3 different drives. It additionally piles targeted files into a "burn directory" I've created, which allows for convenient burns to re-writable DVD, when I take a notion. :)
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Having good luck with and can recommend this CP model;

»www.cyberpowersystems.com/produc···LCD.html

Hard to beat NewEgg .. here: »www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···00AVRLCD

Good luck!
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. I do full system backups once every second Tuesday of every month to all three of my computers, with Acronis TI9.

Edit: forgot to mension what i used for backing up.
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said by NetFixer

:

I have on more than one occasion seen a controller glitch or voltage surge wipe out multiple RAID devices.

I know this is a little off topic, please excuse me. Recently my 2nd CyberPower 825AVR died and I don't want a 3rd one! I'm looking for recommendations on reasonable priced battery back-up equipment. Can you guys give me some ideas?

Thanks, Michael
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Here's what I can add since that post:

I'm now using, and extremely happy with, Amazon S3 for online backup, managed via the purchased tool "Jungle Disk". With Amazon S3, one pays only for that which is stored/transferred, thus:

Storage
$0.15 per GB-Month of storage used

Data Transfer
$0.10 per GB - all data transfer in

$0.18 per GB - first 10 TB / month data transfer out
$0.16 per GB - next 40 TB / month data transfer out
$0.13 per GB - data transfer out / month over 50 TB

Requests
$0.01 per 1,000 PUT or LIST requests
$0.01 per 10,000 GET and all other requests*
* No charge for delete requests

I prefer this to a "flat rate", ala Carbonite @ $50 per year, regardless of how much is stored.

Too, regarding Acronis ... some time ago, I purchased both the Director and TI10, which I was using successfully for imaging my system hd. When TI11 was released, I immediately purchased the update without even thinking to check-in forum side. It was crap when it released and is, based on forum observations less than a week ago, still crap! I've never installed it. As mentioned in my prior post, I then began playing around with DriveImage XML »www.runtime.org/driveimage_faq.htm ...

What I can now add is that it has replaced Acronis!! The program is tremendous! All my imaging is handled now by it. And, I've a real world "Oh shit!" now under my belt using it. Complete system drive (three partition) restore was flawless. Access to the "dead" computer gained via my created BartPE/DriveImage XML plug-in disk. Sweet, sweet program. Did I mention it was absolutely FREE?? It doesn't function with Vista, XP only.

Lastly, to your question about full, incremental and differential? Bah!! All Acronis (and others) allowed capabilities that I couldn't care less about. I now do complete/full system drive imaging, selecting "compressed" as an option in DriveImage and I currently maintain 9 such images spread across three different non-system drives (three each). I'm very happy with the setup, overall.

edit: I was wrong, it's not XP only. From runtime software:

With the software installed on a PC, supported file systems are Windows XP, Windows Media Center, and Windows Server 2003. However you can create a BartPE CD with our software on it and boot from any of the Windows 9x or Windows 2000 machines and back them up as well.

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More info...

Download SiteAdvisor Plus trial XXCloneE copies the whole Windows NT, 2000, or XP system volume to another disk that will be ready to boot without a restore step. You may boot the system from the clone volume when disaster strikes. The cloned volume may be of any size as long as the volume data can fit. It can copy from FAT to NTFS or vice versa. Supports USB-disk, PATA, and SATA. Ideal for periodic backup, disk upgrade, or migration. Extremely easy to use. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19675091 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:47:09 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19675036 Fredra : Hi

It is not IF it will fail, it is when.

I am NOT debating the merits or disadvantages of doing backups, I consider it mandatory.

Here is my question to those in the know. This is trying to encourage a discussion AND to help any "newbies" seeing and reading this topic on going "backups".
Which method is better, why and under what circumstances would you conduct one over another.
-Full backup
-incremental backup
-differential backup
-image backup

There are some who (for various reasons) have not grasped the language of "backups".
IMHO the backup procedure should be part of the process when the machine is being setup.
Separate the installed applications from the created data, which can answer the question of backups. So if disaster strikes (worse case)
e.g. backup the created data re-install the app.
This is trying to help others and makes any sense to the knowledgeable folks like yourselves.
Just my .000002 cents.
Cheers :)
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Real life data disaster story

Both of my SATA mirrored drives failed and because I started making regular backups I had a backup (even on a "data-redundant" system) on an external drive.

Both SATA drives failed at the same time and I was able to recover the data from a third back-uped drive.

It will happen to everybody at some time. Don't think it can't happen to you!
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" What do you mean I only have one drive , I saved all my backups to D so I wouldn't lose them ! "

" Well no , I never did check to make sure the backups work , the program said it copied ."
This from a " PRO " at work that tried to lock our systems down so tight that they were unusable !

Rule 1 All machines will " screw up " , it is just a matter of when .
Rule 2 If you think " that can never happen " it will.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19673910 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:51:39 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19673483 Cnon : Dear All,

Has anybody used a service called Angel Backup?

Cnon]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19673483 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 04:51:27 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19370450 no__1__here : This is true. Forgot to state that my monthly fulls are on a USB drive that gets taken to work (~40 miles away). :)

Good point to mention, though, trparky . Though I don't know about the online options being "the safest". Safer than stuff kept at home, most certainly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19370450 Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:59:31 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19368154 balloonshark :
said by chrisretusn :

Yesterday I said I would back up today. Whoops, I meant TODAY! :D

BTW, if you have a Seagate or Maxtor hard drive you can download Seagate DiscWizard or Maxtor MaxBlast software to use for imaging based on Acronis for free.

»www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/···-is-free
Chris is correct. Here is a link to the links for the free versions. You can also go to Seagate.com and click support and then click downloads. DiscWizard and MaxBlast should be under General downloads.
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»www.ghisler.com/

Total Commander's Synchronize Dirs]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19368051 Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:05:37 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19360739 ablickle : Another vote for Carbonite! I actually had to use it when my hard drive crashed. Turned the hard drive crash from disaster into annoyance. Worth the 50 bucks any day!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19360739 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:56:07 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19360666 chrisretusn : Yesterday I said I would back up today. Whoops, I meant TODAY! :D

BTW, if you have a Seagate or Maxtor hard drive you can download Seagate DiscWizard or Maxtor MaxBlast software to use for imaging based on Acronis for free.
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said by NetFixer :

I have also on more than one occasion seen a second RAID device die while waiting for the first defective device to be replaced and synchronized.

What he said.
Been there, done that - multiple times. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19360578 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:30:41 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19360312 The Snowman :

JayKayKay

The info you posted is great...however....the freeware version is not Beta and does not require sign-up......the website can be just a little confusing.....if I recall it is not until you download that the freeware version is shown.......but not sure.
Definitely it is a worthwhile program......even the freeware version.......for anyone who does not have a Backup program this one would be hard to beat.
Glad you posted that info........seeya]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19360312 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:46:51 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19359661 koolman2 : Thanks, backing up now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19359661 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:46:17 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19359395 trparky : Don't forget about off-site backup. You may have all the backups you want, but if your house burns down... they're gone too.

Safest form of backup... off-site backup with one of the various online backup services.
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said by EvilByDesire :

Vista ultimate does weekly backups for me... dont even need to worry about it... and yes ive tested the backups to make sure they work...

That's cool. Acronis TI does weekly backups for me. :) Weekly incrementals and monthly fulls.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19359218 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:36:03 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19358329 Pentangle : Good reminder. I use Karen's Replicator to back up all important directories onto my external WD hard drive and every couple of days I exchange my 2GB thumbdrive containing most important files with the one I keep at the office so important data is also kept off site.
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said by towerdave :

One other thing to remember, especially with the fires in Cali. Having a backup is great, but if it's in your house, and your house gets wiped out by a disaster, it doesn't do much good. I have been using »www.Carbonite.com to back my stuff up online. $50/year for unlimited space. It's encrypted, so I feel safe that nobody will see it. Could it get hacked? Probably, yes. Will it? Probably not unless I win the lottery.

I have thousands of digital family photos that I don't want to lose. This was my solution.

TD

Carbonite has been recommended over and over on many tech shows, one being Kim Kommando. $50 a year for unlimited space is really something. Most on line sites charge for the year and for the amount you back up as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19358278 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:11:28 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19358238 jaykaykay :
said by The Snowman :

For anyone who for whatever reason does not own a drive copy program you can take a look at the freeware verson of XXCLONE:

the freeware has a few limitations but will copy a complete harddrive.....or so I am led to understand......read the info well.....decide for yourself.

From their site, just for info's sake:

Instead of using a convoluted Windows XP backup/restore procedure, you may want to try the new XXClone software by Pixelab, available at xxclone.com. It is currently in beta testing (Feb 2004), so you have to sign up before you can download it.

The application is very simple to use. You unzip the executable to a folder, (like c:\program files), and then run it. There is just one screen, where you choose the source drive and destination drive. Then you choose the backup method (full, incremental, etc.) and other options, and click start.

The program then copies all the files from the source drive to the target drive, with special handling for registry data and other system data. It is far easier and quicker than the previously described XP Backup/Restore. Although the application does not have much documentation, not much is really needed because it is so easy to use. It works from a larger disk to a smaller disk and vice versa, as long as there is enough space for all the files.

The program works well for backups to a second drive. If your main drive goes down, all you have to do is reboot off the target drive, and everything is back to normal. The program supports command line functionality, so you can script or schedule it to run your backups.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19358238 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:06:33 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19358226 jaykaykay : Always good advice. One of the cards in my puter shot craps several weeks ago, shortly after coming back from vacation. Thank heaven things had been backed up before leaving. I had a ton of things that were made much easier, though still took time, to reinstall.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19358226 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:04:09 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19358138 DownTheShore :
said by towerdave :

One other thing to remember, especially with the fires in Cali. Having a backup is great, but if it's in your house, and your house gets wiped out by a disaster, it doesn't do much good. I have been using »www.Carbonite.com to back my stuff up online. $50/year for unlimited space. It's encrypted, so I feel safe that nobody will see it. Could it get hacked? Probably, yes. Will it? Probably not unless I win the lottery.

I have thousands of digital family photos that I don't want to lose. This was my solution.

TD

That looks interesting. Thanks for that link. :)
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~~I think~~ »www.grc.com did a report about encrypting your CDs/DVDs with TrueCrypt so that the CDs/DVDs would just report erroneous data if not unencrypted before using them.

»www.grc.com/sn/SN-041.pdf

This technique would probably be good for folks that make backups on media that would be likely to give this media to family/friends for "off site" storage.
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I have thousands of digital family photos that I don't want to lose. This was my solution.

TD]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19357048 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:07:18 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19356668 waldoooo :
said by exocet_cm :

Just a friendly reminder to backup your data.
If you:
•Can't remember when your last data backup was...

thats me!!! thanks!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19356668 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:13:02 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19356492 EUS : Thanks for the reminder.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19356492 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:42:49 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19356251 markopoleo :
said by cork1958 :

Never have and never will back up stuff on a stupid computer. What, did you think it would last forever or something? Total waste of space on any type medium. With the internet as fast as it is now a days, it's nothing to restore whatever is necessary, except for personal stuff that you were goofy enough to save ONLY on your computer!

That makes no sense Cork, seeing as thought most stuff people want to keep IS DIGITAL. Broadband also has nothing to do with it, its still TIME. How would you suggest people back up THOUSANDS of songs, movies, photos that are only digital.

You forget peoples personal stuff can fill hard drives fast. I have about 300gigs or more of stuff I would hate to lose.

Also I bet you would love it if the bank calls you up and says "no big deal or anything, but we decided not to backup anything anymore". ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19356251 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:59:01 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19356126 cork1958 : Never have and never will back up stuff on a stupid computer. What, did you think it would last forever or something? Total waste of space on any type medium. With the internet as fast as it is now a days, it's nothing to restore whatever is necessary, except for personal stuff that you were goofy enough to save ONLY on your computer!
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said by bcool :

What's all the fuss about? I don't back up - I've never had a

lol.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19355591 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:10:02 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19355450 bcool : What's all the fuss about? I don't back up - I've never had a
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Am burning imp. stuff to DVD right now.
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I use these; 200 backups for under $60:
»www.supermediastore.com/taiyo-yu···ack.html
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For marshaling all the files to my "burn" directories, for backup to dvds .. I use SyncBack SE. It also "syncs" file backup from my primary, 3 partition, drive to 3 other drives .. one of which is an external USB. All operations are on full nightly "auto".

For imaging, I too have been using Acronis .. though I've been testing, and am now very happy with, a free imaging program called DriveImage XML ( »www.runtime.org/dixml.htm ) .. it's excellent. They also provide a plugin for use with a BartPE disk, which I suggest anyone using imaging software should also create. Images are alternately saved to the two, non-system, internals and the external.

All this is great if I don't have a fire. I'm presently (still) investigating on-line storage possibilities. About narrowed down to Carbonite or Mosey, I think .. might?

Too, instead, maybe I'll just take some dvd's to work for storage there. Off-site's the key .. right?
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the freeware has a few limitations but will copy a complete harddrive.....or so I am led to understand......read the info well.....decide for yourself.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19354939 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:43:21 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19354801 NetFixer : Also, don't be lulled into a false sense of security if you have RAID0 or RAID5 (hardware or software). I have on more than one occasion seen a controller glitch or voltage surge wipe out multiple RAID devices. I have also on more than one occasion seen a second RAID device die while waiting for the first defective device to be replaced and synchronized.
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Thanks for the reminder exocet! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19354552 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:25:16 EDT Re: Backup Your Data NOW! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19354439 chrisretusn : Guilty!

I do remember when and were, but the when was way to long ago (October 12). Going to do a quick data backup TODAY.

I fixed a friend's computer last Monday. His son 8000 miles away said it was the video card and hard drive. So he bought a new video card, and new hard drive and new DVD-ROM called me up. Backups, what's that he says. Oh Well, the good news was it was not the hard drive. I was the power supply! :)
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If you:
•Can't remember when your last data backup was...
•Can't remember where you PUT your backed up data (probably a security problem with this as well)...
•Don't know HOW to backup your data...

Then you probably need to do it.

I worked on 4 PCs for friends this week; 3 had data recovered, 1 didn't (lost years worth of work). :(
Even us security gurus and PC techs can have crap happen in the most inopportune times as well!

SO, to recap: Just a friendly reminder to backup your data.
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