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| reply to Jason Levine
Re: Smear Campaign
Excellent advice! I've said this same thing yet in a different way; if someone always votes for the lesser of two evils, then they have no right to complain when all they get is evil.
I'm not going to throw my vote away anymore by voting AGAINST who I don't want to win. That is why we keep staying in this situation. We shouldn't let hatred be our guide... look where it has gotten us. :| |
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dynodb
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said by tiger72  :said by dynodb :It's hardly a secret that the cultish supporters of the Bircheresque Crank regularly spam polls and engage in other such overly obsessive behavior in support of their looney suject of worship Ron Paul. This would hardly be unusual amongst his base of conspiracy theorist, white supremicist band of college kid supporters. HAHAHAHAa that's funny. I'm not white, nor am I a conspiracy theorist, but I support Ron Paul. I'm educated and understand good fiscal responsibility and the Constitution. One doesn't really need to bother inventing stories about his supporters; there's also no reason to bother considering that he has absolutely zero chance of winning. You just invented a story about his supporters (namely that they're white supremacist kids). Quite the loon you are. I now await the typical Ron Paul supporter response, which typically involves calling his detractors facist socialist neocons  Once again, inventing stories about his supporters. Well done! Go to the white supremicist site stormfront.org- you'll have no problem finding pro-Ron Paul threads there. Ditto with just about any 9/11 conspiracy site.
And just remember- all contributions to the Bircheresque Crank should be in the form of gold coins, not that filthy "fiat money". |
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WALL_E
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| said by dynodb :said by tiger72 :said by dynodb :It's hardly a secret that the cultish supporters of the Bircheresque Crank regularly spam polls and engage in other such overly obsessive behavior in support of their looney suject of worship Ron Paul. This would hardly be unusual amongst his base of conspiracy theorist, white supremicist band of college kid supporters. HAHAHAHAa that's funny. I'm not white, nor am I a conspiracy theorist, but I support Ron Paul. I'm educated and understand good fiscal responsibility and the Constitution. One doesn't really need to bother inventing stories about his supporters; there's also no reason to bother considering that he has absolutely zero chance of winning. You just invented a story about his supporters (namely that they're white supremacist kids). Quite the loon you are. I now await the typical Ron Paul supporter response, which typically involves calling his detractors facist socialist neocons Once again, inventing stories about his supporters. Well done! Go to the white supremicist site stormfront.org- you'll have no problem finding pro-Ron Paul threads there. Ditto with just about any 9/11 conspiracy site. And just remember- all contributions to the Bircheresque Crank should be in the form of gold coins, not that filthy "fiat money". So because some racist morons happen to support my candidate, I should vote for someone else?
All this proves is that even racist morons recognize that Iraq is a complete mess and going into Iran is about the dumbest move ever.
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dynodb
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| reply to Jason Levine
said by Jason Levine :3 - Make it likely that the winning candidate will adopt your preferred candidate's position. (When a third party candidate wins >10% of the vote, the major parties listen and adopt their messages to keep their dominant positions.) He's not going to get 10% of the vote; move the decimal point one digit to the left and you'd be a lot closer. |
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AmeritecTech
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| said by dynodb :said by Jason Levine :3 - Make it likely that the winning candidate will adopt your preferred candidate's position. (When a third party candidate wins >10% of the vote, the major parties listen and adopt their messages to keep their dominant positions.) He's not going to get 10% of the vote; move the decimal point one digit to the left and you'd be a lot closer. I think he was speaking more generally. Ron Paul is not going to run as a third party candidate.
Anyway, anything could happen. The most recent St. Anselm poll in New Hampshire has him at 7% for the primary.
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said by dynodb :Go to the white supremicist site stormfront.org- you'll have no problem finding pro-Ron Paul threads there. Ditto with just about any 9/11 conspiracy site. And just remember- all contributions to the Bircheresque Crank should be in the form of gold coins, not that filthy "fiat money". My you're full of venom.
That said, I could care less if white supremacists support Ron Paul. I could care less of Nazis or pedophiles support him. I could care less if Black Panthers or religious wing-nuts support him.
I support him because he supports freedom of speech, association, and press.
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said by TKJunkMail :Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate. Hmmm that sounds just like many Republicans AND Democrats that I know too.
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supernac
join:2003-03-26
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Neither mit or giuliani are real Conservatives. They have both spent millions to try and cover up and explain away their past records. Fred is polling second in most polls, yet has spent a fraction of what mitt or giuliani have spent. |
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clickie
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Definitely Apple fanatics. That is, until a Windows fanatic sees a PC/Mac commercial, then all bets are off. |
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Mike
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Re: Smear Campaign
Truth doesn't win anything.
Money does. Whoever spends the most money wins. |
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said by TKJunkMail :said by laserjobs :Why would someone do this unless they were trying to create truth to a lie to smear Ron Paul? Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate. Couldn't have said it better myself. And they smell funny.
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dynodb
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| reply to AmeritecTech
said by AmeritecTech :I think he was speaking more generally. Ron Paul is not going to run as a third party candidate. Anyway, anything could happen. The most recent St. Anselm poll in New Hampshire has him at 7% for the primary. I think it quite likely that he will run third party- he's already proved that he's incapable of being embarrassed, and he's hinted at the possibility in the past.
And more respected polling organizations- like Rasmussen- have Paul at 1-2% in NH. He'll probably do a bit better than that in the primaries due to the slavish devotion of his supporters, but it won't be enough to have an impact. |
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AmeritecTech
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1 edit | said by dynodb :said by AmeritecTech :I think he was speaking more generally. Ron Paul is not going to run as a third party candidate. Anyway, anything could happen. The most recent St. Anselm poll in New Hampshire has him at 7% for the primary. I think it quite likely that he will run third party- he's already proved that he's incapable of being embarrassed, and he's hinted at the possibility in the past. He's stated repeatedly that he has no plans to run third party.
And more respected polling organizations- like Rasmussen- have Paul at 1-2% in NH. He'll probably do a bit better than that in the primaries due to the slavish devotion of his supporters, but it won't be enough to have an impact.
Rasmussen reports results that are pretty consistently off the mark in national polls compared to, say, Gallup. Gallup isn't doing state-by-state polls, unfortunately. With the general low attendance of primaries, it seems like primary polls aren't as accurate as general election polls. For example, two weeks prior to the 1996 primary, Buchanan was polling just 11%, yet won the primary. Ron Paul has undoubtedly the most passionate supporters, much like Buchanan did, so there could be a January Surprise.
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supernac
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| reply to Mike
This is true to a point. The fact that Fred is polling higher than mitt is proof otherwise. I cant name one conservative that is happy about mitt or rudy. Hopefully this race we will see a push towards TRUE conservative principles. Really this is the only chance republicans have got. |
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Jerm
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| reply to clickie
yeah cause macs are great, until you try to do anything. play games? oh wait...
with a mac you can... uhh... browse the internet and use photoshop?!
oh wait yeah browsing may not work so well, better get back on that pc so the site "looks right" again... |
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AmeritecTech
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Davros866
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| reply to dynodb
Many of these polls are only calling republicans who voted in the 2004 primary. That's the republicans who voted for Bush in the last republican primary where he ran unopposed.
Also, many of these polls don't even include Ron Paul. One automated phone poll that I heard said "press 1 for Giuliani, press 2 for Romney, press 3 for Thompson, press 4 for McCain, press 5 for Huckabee, press 6 for other candidates."
But as long as you call it "scientific" it has to be right! |
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dynodb
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| reply to AmeritecTech
said by AmeritecTech :Rasmussen reports results that are pretty consistently off the mark in national polls compared to, say, Gallup... ...For example, two weeks prior to the 1996 primary, Buchanan was polling just 11%, yet won the primary. Rasmussen screens for likely primary voters; Gallup doesn't- different sample groups yeild different results. Either way, Gallup doesn't have Paul doing any better.
Buchanan didn't win the Republican primary in '96- Bob Dole did. He did win in NH, but it didn't mean much- he got slaughtered in terms of delegates. |
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said by TKJunkMail :said by laserjobs :Why would someone do this unless they were trying to create truth to a lie to smear Ron Paul? Maybe because many of Paul's supporters are over the top fanatics who are somewhat crazy and have made use of the internet their platform to flack for their candidate. Ron Paul is way outside the box, but if he wasn't he wouldn't have supporters (that's growing), he's the only candidate that makes the truth the truth and that's why he's so weird cause most are so used to not thinking for themselfs but have gov do it for them. the other candidates want to tax tax tax, and more gov. Ron Paul sees the Gov as a problem for this country cause its getting bigger WITHOUT any checks and balances.
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