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davoice

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reply to fAcEtIOUs

Re: Misunderstanding of this rule is widespread

Basically it allows the MDU to double dip. They can now go back to the original contract holder, legally threaten to bring someone else in and look for additional concessions. Or they can bring in a 2nd provider, stick their hands on both providers pockets and play both sides of the field. Whee.

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fAcEtIOUs
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said by davoice:

Basically it allows the MDU to double dip. They can now go back to the original contract holder, legally threaten to bring someone else in and look for additional concessions. Or they can bring in a 2nd provider, stick their hands on both providers pockets and play both sides of the field. Whee.
That is about it - for existing apartment buildings. And if they can squeeze out better terms by pitting one against the other, they MIGHT pass those savings on to their tenants. But they also might just pocket the savings for themselves.

With a new apartment building going up, the power is probably a little less. A TV provider probably won't want to pay the costs of pre-wiring the building knowing that the building owner could then bring another vendor in at any time to blackjack the original provider in to lowering rates even more. The building owner could still play one vendor off against the other, but the significant capital costs of wiring the building for a promise of an exclusive contract can no longer be used. So my guess is that building owners will have to pay their own upfront capital costs for wiring the new building. And it is this scenario that is the basis for Comcast and the cable industry claiming costs could rise for the consumer.
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NOCMan
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We'll I can think of certain apartments around here that will take this and finally let comcast or time warner in. Lots of places have some company you've never heard of who provide crappy service.

I wonder if comcast or timewarner has worked with complexes to wire cable only and forces them to use thier voip phone service. No phone line so you can not get dsl or anything.


axus

join:2001-06-18
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They deserve it for doing those kind of anti-competitive deals in the first place.


fiberguy
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They sure do! And I wish they had never done these deals in the first place. I would rather have loved to see apartments that were never able to get cable, just the POS satellite services they used to get, and hear the residents bitch about not being able to get cable because of cheap managers. It would have been move entertaining rather than people misguided in their beliefs that a cable company should be their friend, their brother, and their parents too.

The fact remains. Cable came in and wired up apartments at no cost while managers sat back on their cheap hands and wallets and refused to pay to upgrade their buildings - as many managers will refuse to do. Cable came in and said, "Fine, we'll wire you up for free, but if we're going to do something for you, for free, we want something in return" which was the exclusive ROE.

I fail to see the problem. It's called a contract between two businesses and a very rogue part of the government is coming in and invalidating what is in a sense contract law. I predict court battles.

Secondly.. you now see satellite putting their signals on lines that cable TV installed for customers already. Current cable + HSI customers will drop TV and get satellite while keeping HSI. Satellite comes in, doesn't care, and cuts into all lines killing the HSI at the same time. Subscriber calls who? Cable. Their gripe? "My HSI stopped working" Cable gets to the house, tells the customer "Satellite cut our lines and your choice is to get satellite back out to rewire you up, or it will cost you (circa) $50.00 for us to fix this problem" Customer rants, raves, threatens to cancel. Cable says "fine" and leaves.

What has happened here? It's called a mess and this is part on the FCC. When they makes these blind rules, they don't take into account real world situations. Who gets blamed? Cable - EVERY TIME. Who should be blames? Satellite? Phone? No.. the FCC.

The lines installed are now that of the customer because of FCC rules which is fine. However, when a service is already on it, another provider is not supposed to cut them off for theirs - yet they do and expects the other to absorb the cost. The bottom line is rules like this also will hurt the consumer because neither side is going to jump to wire homes any more - or apartments either. In some cases, this now means a customer can only get one or the other but not both.

Another downside to these kinds of rules.. where providers used to wire up homes for free, this practice will now stop all together making installation fees even higher to the consumer. (which people already don't like, or feel they should be paying) The truth is, if cable, for example which requires no contracts to the end user.. why should they come in and wire a unit for free any more when a subscriber can simply cancel and put someone else on the lines?

To be honest, there is plenty of BS to go around to all parties involved in this battle INCLUDING THE CONSUMER who allowed this to happen. I really could care less. I just am pointing out the reality behind what these rules will cause. While it SOUNDS good on the surface (quite honestly to those who are cheap in the wallet and those that really don't matter - renters) this rule is intrusive to the free market place (which renting is) and is yet another government agency taking away another freedom.

Remember the telcom act in the 90s which was supposed to help lower the consumer cable bill? That brilliant piece of consumer saving rule caused rates to increase up to 14% over night on average.
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patcat88

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said by NOCMan:

I wonder if comcast or timewarner has worked with complexes to wire cable only and forces them to use thier voip phone service. No phone line so you can not get dsl or anything.
Many times. I've heard you get just phone jacks. There is a cable version of a DSLAM serving the whole building or the flood in a closet. So you dont need to worry about a modem or a battery for it. (Although if your not looking after the battery, who is? )


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reply to fAcEtIOUs
A TV provider probably won't want to pay the costs of pre-wiring the building knowing that the building owner could then bring another vendor in at any time to blackjack the original provider in to lowering rates even more.

this is a false assumption. the problem most old buildings have is one cable provider does not want to share it's cable tray with another, and the building does not want two sets of cable trays in their hallways. if they kick out the original cable provider, he can remove his wiring from the tray before the next provider comes in the building, but most buildings would not allow such disruption of service to their tenants.

in the case of a new building, the cable provider would either negotiate to retain ownership and maintenance of the distribution wiring, or only bring his service to the distribution box, and building maintenance is responsible for maintaining distribution wiring. either way, the wiring plant can't be used as leverage when enlisting another provider.

As far as this FCC ruling goes; it does not go far enough. while I would not want it to break existing deals, it should have more teeth to compel building management to allow competition to come in their building if dwellers want it. if 5% of building occupants want a new provider, and that provider is willing to light up that building, there should be a legal remedy to compel building management to allow it, assuming the new cable provider does not do damage to the building in order to distribute service there. or if 5% of a building want roof access for satellite dishes, there should be a better and more enforceable legal remedy to do so. So the power to break any building's monopoly is still in the hands of the building management, not in the hands of the individual consumer who is overpaying a monopolist cable provider.


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