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4 edits | Let me get this straight on DSL homerun
CTel has agreed to come in with splitter at NID probably this week. The original idea was to hook up an unused pair from my CAT3 house wiring(previously used for our second tel line) to the DSL feed. The unused pair is already wired to a second baseboard RJ11 jack in our computer room. Now since I'm unsure the CTel tech will be willing to accommodate my let's make a wish to run a separate CAT6 line from the DSL feed at the splitter directly to a jack in the computer room, I probably will have to do it myself in the near future. I have 100FT of CAT6 UTP T568B cable without ends. I get that I have to tie into the DSL feed at splitter on one end. On the other end at the computer room jack - it has to be a RJ-45 (8P8C) jack, right? I mean you wouldn't terminate the CAT6 at the computer room on a RJ11 jack - there's no way to do that or no way it should be done, right? So when you're done, what, you end up having to plug your DSL modem line(RJ11) into the RJ-45 modular? Hmmm weird. I have resources on how to but I'm still a little unclear about DSL modem cable which is RJ11 into an 8P8C(RJ-45) jack. 
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Crockett, TX | No, you don't need an RJ-45 jack. RJ-11 is what you need, as DSL comes over standard RJ-11 wiring. |
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| said by Icon  :No, you don't need an RJ-45 jack. RJ-11 is what you need, as DSL comes over standard RJ-11 wiring. Thanks Icon. Yea, I realized that xDSL comes over regular POTS line but what I was having trouble reconciling in my head was the difference between CAT6 wiring and the connect points of a RJ11 baseboard jack. Voice/xDSL only require 2 wires then, right? CAT6 has 8. That's a lot of unused wires at the jack but I guess that won't be hurting anything. But then there's choosing which pair to use so the Westell 327w likes...
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| said by bcool :Voice/xDSL only require 2 wires then, right? CAT6 has 8. That's a lot of unused wires at the jack but I guess that won't be hurting anything. But then there's choosing which pair to use so the Westell 327w likes... Yep, just two wires (1 pair). Pair one is blue/white-blue. Use it. |
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Well field tech came out. Was nice enough for sure but not quite willing to help me pull the CAT6 for genuine "homerun" HOWEVER....
he did agree to install splitter inside on my basement wall just opposite the NID which is outside under my deck. So re-wiring was done inside. The tech never had to go to the NID at all. In fact, we discovered that I had a CAT3 run from the modular junction at POTS entry into the basement straight to our computer room. Green & Red voice(I believe is how it goes), black and yellow unused. So he hooked up black and yellow to the unfiltered DSL feed in the splitter which now terminates at jack #2 in our computer room and the remaining green and red pair for all other phones in the house(including the one on jack #1 in the computer room) were wired to the filtered voice in the splitter. So incidentally, when I'm ready to run CAT6 (which at this point doesn't have to be immediately) it should be a piece of cake. What I saw as soon as the modem sync'd up was a lower power reading(9.0) and a higher SNR margin(11dB) on my dsl transceiver stats. No more dsl artifact over voice line. No more micro filters on phones. Cool! The End. 
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Update.
I've got a friend who's willing to help me pull CAT6 from the splitter to the a dedicated jack in our computer for the DSL.
Before we start, will this be an exercise in futility on account of:
1.) the splitter was installed in our basement
2.) we were planning on running CAT6 from DSL line on splitter directly to DSL jack in computer room (fyi, right now I'm on an unused pair on POTS 2Pair directly to the DSL jack)
3.) There's about 10' POTS 2Pair connecting NID(outside) to the splitter(inside).
Would there still be value to running the CAT6 from the splitter to the DSL jack. I'm not sure whether there's a decent benefit to hassle ratio here. What do you think?
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| Do you suspect that the Cat3 may be causing issues? or is it that you want to ensure that you have the best signal path possible? (assuming that new wire will be better than your old).
Crawling under my house to pull wire is my least favorite job, so unless I had solid evidence that new wire would address a known problem (or would eliminate a suspected problem source), I don't think I'd mess with it. |
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I'm gonna tend to agree with Mike, unless....
Is the two pair line that is split between DSL and POTS going to your DSL jack twisted pair, or is it just cheap two pair wire with no twists? If it is twisted, I wouldn't worry about it right now, as you won't gain any speed or really any better line quality, assuming the wire itself is in good shape.
If it isn't twisted pair, then I would go ahead and replace it, because it may cause some bleed over issues with your dial tone and the DSL some time down the road.
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| Gotta agree here. I assumed twisted pair was already in use...
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Drum roll please....
and the answer is:two pair wire with no twists
I had stated much earlier that I was wired with CAT3. That turns out to be false. Not true. Just plain ol' JK.
But here's the deal - I want to start at the splitter and not mess with the NID outside. It looks like I still would be better off running the CAT6 than relying on the two pair wire with no twists. Thanks Icon and Mike.
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Crockett, TX | reply to bcool
That's fine starting at the splitter. You don't have to go all the way to the NID with it.
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Becool if you are going to run Cat 6 to your computer from your splitter in your basement.It would be better to use two pair one for your phone and one for DSL. That way you can put a face plate on your wall with with two RJ-11's and plug your phone and DSL modem into them. Now this may not what you are looking for if you already have a phone hookup in your computer room. This is the route I took at the time. Just thought it might help you out. I attached a picture of my set up I have in my basement that I installed for all my phones and DSL to my room where my PC is located. |
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Crockett, TX | Good idea for a completely "filter less" job. I've done this many times on installs.
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said by Eighthman :Bcool if you are going to run Cat 6 to your computer from your splitter in your basement... Thanks for your suggestion. Because I'm such a novice to this wiring stuff, I may include a snapshot of my current setup so you can see what I'm working with presently.
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Edit: Incidentally, does anybody have a clue what the blue box is for? Not even the DSL tech who wired the splitter knew for sure...
NB. The NID is just on the other side of the wall outside (basement wall not shown to right) |
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| I'm assuming the line coming from the right, above the blue box is coming directly from the NID outside? I'm not sure why someone would mount a modular jack right there, with a 5-way splitter going to the other rooms in your house I assume. It may make it easier for troubleshooting purposes, as you can just unhook one of them at a time until your problem clears, assuming it's a problem inside your house. But I really don't care for modular stuff that is in open-air like that. Even though it's not in direct rain/weather, there is still humidity and other factors that can cause the pins to corrode over time and give you problems. Not saying you have to redo all that right now, but keep an eye on it.
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| said by Icon :I'm assuming the line coming from the right, above the blue box is coming directly from the NID outside? You are correct. Line above blue box goes directly to NID outside. I wish I had been around when this was originally set up. I only came in at the point of the DSL splitter (just recently).
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