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jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
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Why do they keep saying we have "free market"?

We have an oligopoly at best. It's normally a duopoly or even a monopoly. Free Market doesn't work when there is NO competition in an area. Two or Three companies acting as essentially one does not constitute "free market". It seemed better a couple of years ago when I lived in So. Cal. There were several different DSL companies to choose from, and the rates would go down. Go figure...

fiberguy
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said by jjeffeory:

It seemed better a couple of years ago when I lived in So. Cal. There were several different DSL companies to choose from, and the rates would go down. Go figure...
... and they all ran over the same set of ILEC copper. The NON-Telco ISPs were usually more expensive, have transfer caps, heavy restrictions, no servers, expensive static IP options, etc. Usually, the ILEC's ISP was always the cheapest option. The third party ISP is quickly becoming an after thought.
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jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

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No no no... That wasn't my experience at all. I had fixed IP DSL at a faster rate than the telco, It was cheaper too. Of course they all ran over the same set of ILEC copper. That simply meant that the telco company was getting a bit of THAT action too. It was a win for all parties and pointed out the problems we have today, It also pointed out the "problems" the ISP had dealing with the telco over the physical part.

Oh and how can you "usually always" be cheaper? You either are "usually cheaper" or are "always cheaper". That doesn't make sense.


fiberguy
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Yes.. USUALLY - so that would include your case.

How can I say usually always? Simple... You have more than one ILEC.. then you have many competing 3rd party ISPs and those don't always exist in the same city.

Qwest, for example, operates the larges land based territory over the others. However, in some markets Qwest serves, Qwest is mostly the cheap option. In some cities/areas, Qwest IS the cheapest.

And yes, for example, Minneapolis, one of Qwests bigger markets, the 3rd party ISPs suck, for the most part, when it comes to price, offerings, and over all value. Many of the are about on-par with pricing or slightly different from Q.net, but many of them have no server restrictions, transfer limits, no static available, etc.

So yes, it depends because the list of available competing ISPs are not the same and vary vastly from area to area.. so in your case, you have the exception.
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"Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-serving, the lazy, and I’m told it’s a woman’s prerogative..."


jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

Well, Southern California is the exception. There was great competition all over.
Oh, and I was mostly given you a hard time on the grammar...


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